The Valley Ranch Review: For now, the Cowboys are Loaded at RB
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 23, 2009 11:00 AM CDT
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The Cowboys definitely look to be loaded at running back for '09. That doesn't mean a part of their talented trio will be trade bait come this draft weekend, does it?
The Star-Telegram's Clarence Hill suggests that it may be prudent for Dallas to make a deal for a draft pick.
There is certainly nothing wrong with listening if you can parlay a former fourth-round pick (Tashard Choice) into possibly a third- or even a second-rounder.
The guys at DC.com on that idea.
As for Choice, he just might be the most complete running back of the trio. He's strong and powerful inside, but has the speed to rip off some long runs. Just how many carries he gets this season will be an interesting situation for the coaching staff.
I say no. I realize Choice came relatively cheap as a fourth-rounder last year, and he's behind Marion Barber and Felix Jones on the depth chart, but I really do think he could end up being the best player of the three. He might be the only guy the Cowboys have capable of being an every-down back, and in fact that's what he was at the end of last season, and toe injuries knocked Jones and Barber out of the lineup.
On Wednesday, the Cowboys will be scouting Rice tight end, James Casey. The private workout will be held in Houston. Casey is considered a hybrid player who can be utilized as a QB in a Wildcat offense.
FoxSports puts Dallas on the clock and asks Todd Archer about the Cowboys' needs going into the draft.
Here are some draft-day memories of five current Cowboys.
Mike Jenkins has switched his jersey from #31 to #21.
On Monday, Tony Romo launched yet another come-from-behind victory by winning the Will County Amateur Golf Championship in Crete, Illinois. And then, to celebrate his birthday on Tuesday, #9 won the Adams Golf Pro Scratch Championship tournament run by the N. Texas PGA.
Hat Tip to Wmillion for his post.
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jenkins
is running away from #31 – should we just retire that number now? ;)
however, now that #21 has been tainted by a couple of jones’
by Scoobay on Apr 23, 2009 11:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
hopefully he's wearing it because of our other #21...Primetime
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 23, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the real taint
Sorry, I can’t stand the guy
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
by dave33 on Apr 23, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
stand him or not
Primetime was the greatest cover corner of all time, it’s not even close. If Jenkins can become have the cover corner Prime was, I’ll be very happy.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 23, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't get me wrong
Teams need mercenaries like Prime. And I agree that if he b/c a quarter as good as Prime, I would be happy.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
by dave33 on Apr 23, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
b/c = became
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
by dave33 on Apr 23, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And primetime was just as awesome at tackling
if he is half as good as Deion I’ll take 100% of deion’s tackling
by AustonianAggie on Apr 23, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jenkins
should not even be mentioned in the same breath as the best cover corner of all time. That kid as a really long way to go.
by DoomsdayD75 on Apr 23, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nobody is saying otherwise
the comments were in reference to his new jersey #.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 23, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah man, as bad as all of deons tackles looked…i dont have any memorys of him missing any(not to say he didnt obviously).
by DavidLaFleur on Apr 23, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sweet. Now bigrigga31 will hopefully be repping a safety again.
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 24, 2009 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want some of what Clarence Hills is drinking.
That has to be the most asinine statement I have heard so far.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
by GunsUp on Apr 23, 2009 11:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Clarence Hill
is probably the best of the DFW media gaggle, and he’s an idiot.
More proof that we need to get Grizz and Raf to camp with press credentials.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
by OskieOskie on Apr 23, 2009 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, lemme get this straight… we have 3 solid running backs but last year two of them missed significant time with injury. So Hill’s bright idea is to trade one. Better yet, he wants to trade the one that stayed healthy? So if two backs go down in ‘09, we’ll have some practice squad doucher lining up in the back-field? Ummm… no thanks. That’s about as smart as having Brad Johnson as your backup QB!
by HutHut on Apr 23, 2009 11:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
no way you trade any of the 3.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by what_the_crap on Apr 23, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless it's for a first rounder.
I can’t see any other reason to give up Choice or Barber.
by Baked Potato Soup on Apr 23, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dont do it DeMarcus
The Madden Jinx is REAL and we need him too much
by Impatient on Apr 23, 2009 12:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
Of all the Cowboys, EA has to try and jinx our most gifted player. Oy, Vey.
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 24, 2009 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trading Tashard Choice for a draft pick?
I consider Tashard a diamond in the rough of 4th rounders. You’ve caught a glimpse of what he can do…not to mention he is a classy guy, which is always great in the locker room. Would you really accept a 3rd rounder for him? No way! I know we are stacked at RB but I wouldn’t take anything short of a proven young veteran who plays in an area of need.
Would you trade Tashard (4th rounder) for a Bobby Carpenter (1st)?
by JoeWho on Apr 23, 2009 12:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
why on earth
would you trade a quality player like choice to move up in the draft when you have 11 picks to trade with?
by Barbie Carpenter on Apr 23, 2009 12:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed
I wouldn’t trade a proven commodity for a potential unknown. I would only trade Tashard for a current NFL player at position of need.
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
by Wmillion on Apr 23, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup
Only way I’d do it is if I could nab someone’s 2010 1st rounder to get a real safety (Taylor Mays) since I don’t see any of this years becoming great. That said, I doubt anyone would give up a 1st for a guy who played very well against tough defenses, but only for a hand full of games.
by sublimezg on Apr 23, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
cause they're low picks
I had a talk with a source about a month ago and he mentioned this. If you want to make a big move, what are your assets?
He thought the team had some depth at corner and running back. But that was before Henry was flipped for Kitna.
He didn’t think, and I don’t think, that Choice is going to be dealt. It was purely hypothetical. But Dallas has shown they can draft backs. Barber and Choice both came out of the 4th. If you can get a 2nd or early 3rd for him, it deserves some consideration.
I’m intrigued by this fresh rumor that Philly is shopping Shaun Andrews. In ’06 that guy was probably the best guard in football. He destroyed Bradie James in the X-mas day game, when the Eagles ran for 200 yards.
He’s had trouble with depression, so he’s either damaged goods or the rumor is bunk. But man, he’s only 26. If he could be rehabbed, there’s Larry Allen Jr. right there.
I put the odds of his being available and being close to his old self, at less than 10%. But it’s fun to imagine.
by Rafael Vela on Apr 23, 2009 12:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
As many have noted
Barber, because of his running style, is probably not long for this league. This is one of the reason we need Choice. Choice needs carries to take some of the wear and tear off of Barber. Plus, when Barber finally wears himself out or his cap number makes keeping him prohibitive, that’s when Choice can step in full time. I don’t think I am in the minority at all here. In fact, is there anyone, besides Raf (I think that’s what your suggesting) who would take a 2nd or a 3rd for him?
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
by dave33 on Apr 23, 2009 12:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Just thinking out loud, don't know what I'd really do
But if a team picking high in the 2nd offered their pick for Choice, I’d think long and hard before deciding. The question, in that scenario, would be something like this: would I trade the top safety prospect for Choice? or an O-lineman with a 1st round grade for Choice? I think I might.
by Johnny Cage on Apr 23, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barber for Boldin
why is it so crazy to trade one of the RBs for an established WR like Boldin or Edwards? You could still use a lower round pick to p/u a RB if you are confident in the Boys ability to find a decent RB in later rounds. The way the receiving group is looking right now I think they could use alittle help. No way is Crayton a #2, and Austin has not really proven zilch yet
by xyz on Apr 23, 2009 12:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't want Boldin
But if I am trading one of the backs, it would be Barber. But the cap hit probably wouldn’t allow this.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
by dave33 on Apr 23, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
cause it blows up your cap
Barber’s deal, which is one year old, accelerates incredible dead money onto this year’s cap.
Boldin will then want what Roy Williams is making.
which makes keeping Demarcus Ware harder.
by Rafael Vela on Apr 23, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
its craziness because you don't pay two receivers both 9 or 10 mil a piece
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 23, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How crazy?
Take what TO was making and combine that with what you would be losing in salary of one of the running backs and you are there (if you draft another receiver then there will obviously be some salary cap to be included also, so some savings have to be taken into account). Also it sounds alittle crazy thinking the receiving corp that da boys now have is going to strike fear in anyone. Look I realize you can not stack knee deep at every position but for the offense to work you have to have a passing and a running game. It just does not sound that far fetched to make a trade of one of our RBs to Arizona, who by the way is in dire need of a RB. If Roy or witten tweaks a toe, it is not going to matter what you do at any of the other positions because the offense will not carry the team….in my humble opinion anyway.
by xyz on Apr 23, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you heard of the salary cap?
No team can invest $20 million a year for two WRs.
You site Arizona but didn’t mention they had to redo Fiz’s contract and that now they have to shop Quan because his money doesn’t fit.
by birdness on Apr 23, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but TO's $9 M is already counting against this year's cap
and you want to add Roy’s salary AND the accelerated money from Barber’s deal AND the money Boldin wants?
by Rafael Vela on Apr 23, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is not fantasy
football, you can’t have stars at every single position, let the young guys develop and keep trying to find a good receiver through the draft. And no I wouldn’t trade TC for a draft pick (unless it is a first, which is highly unlikely to happen)
by DCowboy on Apr 23, 2009 12:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They only mention Choice
because he is pretty much the only trade bait we have. We are thin everywhere else.
by DoomsdayD75 on Apr 23, 2009 1:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Tex must be in a drunken stupor not to have already jumped on this.
On Monday, Tony Romo launched yet another come-from-behind victory by winning the Will County Amateur Golf Championship in Crete, Illinois. And then, to celebrate his birthday on Tuesday, #9 won the Adams Golf Pro Scratch Championship tournament run by the N. Texas PGA.
by DannyG on Apr 23, 2009 1:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
very impressive and just proves
how mentally tough Romo actually is because as anyone who has ever competed in a golf knows, winning in golf is simply all about mental toughness which is why Tiger is the very best, nobody on the planet is mentally tougher in competition.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 23, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I think it’s a good indicator of his focus, mental toughness and competitiveness. Plus, for people that try to paint him as a party animal, the guy celebrates his birthday by competing in a golf touney. Wow, what a wild man.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Apr 23, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1billion
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 24, 2009 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't follow golf
Did Romo win the Masters?
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
by OskieOskie on Apr 23, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
funny
but I bet he would have come close to making the cut
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 24, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Romo played
well enough to win it all, it was his caddy who let him down.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
by OskieOskie on Apr 24, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can't be serious
He shot 84 at Torrey Pines in that hits and giggles thing last year. Two of those would have had him DFL after 36. He can’t hang in a tour event, let alone sectional qualifying for the US Open.
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Apr 25, 2009 1:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
just say no
count me with the don’t-trade-choice crowd, unless someone is offering the moon. no one is untouchable if the price is right, but i’d count that price as pretty high. certainly not for a 3rd or 2nd rounder, imo.
if you had to trade one of the 3, i think it should be barber, who has the highest profile and is the proven commodity. he might actually bring something in return, and his running style may compromise his long-term viability. of course, other teams know that too…
by g8tgod on Apr 23, 2009 2:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
tony gonzalez
just traded to ATL for a second next year..
Ocho Cinco, is listening to offers, said to be had for a second rounder, and possibly a third
by missingthe90s on Apr 23, 2009 2:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Awesome, I did not want him going to philthy, even if he only gave them one good year.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
by cowboy78 on Apr 23, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gonzalez traded to atlanta for a second rounder and delhomme extended
Good deal for KC, its gonna be weird to see him in a different uniform. He can’t have too may years left right?
Delhomme…5 years, 42 mil. 20 million guarenteed. Absolutely ridiculous. The more qbs sign deals, the more im happy with romos
by foyesboys on Apr 23, 2009 2:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Delhomme is 34
and recently melted down in a playoff game.
This is the guy that Randy Galloway ripped the cowboys for not signing in FA in BP’s first year. He has been real quiet about Delhomme for awhile now.
by THEjarhead on Apr 23, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would you???
trade next years second for Ocho?? or possssibly Crayton???
I know this is fantasy football, but with chads market value waaaay down right now, and us not having too many HUGE holes, I would do a deal much like KC-ATL (2nd NEXT year for tony G) or throw Crayton out there (considering they would actually take him)..
I’m just not a very big fan of PC’s.. I cheer him on as long as he wears the star but he has T.O.s mouth without his numbers, and that just doesnt fly with me.
I would definatly throw next years second for Chad.. we would definatly have a pretty fearsome group of wideouts in 85, 19, 11, and throw in 82, 80, and 28.. But i agree with some of the above posts, at the moment, you look at the roster of wideouts and they dont scare ANYONE… we need a little push, and im sure 85 could give it.. but like raf said, its fun to imagine eh??
by missingthe90s on Apr 23, 2009 2:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That would make Dallas look very hypocritical.
Considering all the TO stuff.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 23, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd do it
for the Randy Moss deal. nothing more.
by DoomsdayD75 on Apr 23, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
MBIII and Tash
I think that if Barber were traded after June the 1st then the cap hit (from his signing bonus only) would be $6.86m against the 2010 cap.
If he were traded a year later the cap hit would be $5.14m.
These figures don’t take into account the $4m in guarantees that make up part of his contract (and I can’t find the breakdowns for these), and I’m not sure if trading is the same as cutting a guy.
Perhaps he will get a heavy dose this year, and be shipped out before the start of next season.?
IMO Choice is in silver and blue for many years to come – he’s good, young and cheap!
by The 11th VP on Apr 23, 2009 3:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Austin will not see a new deal this year
http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/04/cowboys-wont-pay-miles-austin-big-money.html
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
by cowboy78 on Apr 23, 2009 4:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good, all he earned was a chance.
Im in his corner and didnt want to trade him but he needs to prove he is what he and us think he can be.
The Democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson
by squidlo97 on Apr 23, 2009 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stephen Jones gets it done yet again
This is exactly what they should do, make Austin play for pay this year instead of just locking him up for what he might become.
This also lends more cred to them taking a WR in the top part of the draft. I just hope they can find a gem in the 4th round or later.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Apr 23, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
“There are nine finalists for this year’s Madden cover. Demarcus Ware is one of them. Although it would be awesome to have a Cowboy recognized, I’d rather pass. Brandon Jacobs is one of the other finalists…he, he.”
hehe…can you say “Madden Curse”?
by rotovibe on Apr 23, 2009 4:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No way - I choose not to deal Choice
Dumbest thing I’ve heard – I wouldn’t do it – even for a first rounder.
Choice showed a lot last year against some really tough run defences – he could be a star – at worst a very solid backup. And he is a great locker room / leadership guy.
You don’t throw this away to chase “potential”. I chose to keep “performance”
"Where's Woody? - We need another Darren Woodson
by BoyfromOz on Apr 23, 2009 6:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you--not even for a 1st rounder.
Choice solidifies the RB position. Felix will be busy doing all kinds of other crazy stuff on the field, and Barber will be bangin’ away as usual. It’s likely Tashard will be depended upon again this year.
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 24, 2009 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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