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Cowboys Draft '09 -- Looking for a Bargain-Rate Boldin

The Dallas Cowboys have stocked the wide receiver position with veterans the past several years.  Terry Glenn and Terrell Owens have played the lion's share of downs on the flanks of Dallas' offense.  When Dallas has developed young receivers, they have come from the late rounds (Patrick Crayton, 7th round) or the undrafted free agent ranks -- Miles Austin and Sam Hurd.

Now that Glenn and Owens have both departed, it appears the Cowboys may use high picks on receivers for the first time since 2002, when Antonio Bryant was selected in the second round.

I say picks, as in plural, because the team has already used its first round pick on Roy Williams.  Rumors in recent days have raised Ohio State wideout Brian Robiske and Georgia receiver Mohamed Massaquoi as options at the 51st and 69th picks. 

At the same time, Arizona's shopping of Anquan Boldin has produced a degree of buyer's remorse;  some Cowboys fans have wished out loud the team could rescind the Williams deal and obtain Boldin instead. A comparison of both veterans suggests that the Cowboys got the right veteran, in spite of Williams' dismal December.  It also suggests that Dallas may be trying to get their own version of Boldin, only in a younger, more cap-friendly form.

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Not All Big Name Receivers' Games are Created Equal

The Football Scientist K.C. Joyner has again done us the favor of supplying '08 metrics in advance of his upcoming Scientific Football 2009, which allows us to compare how the Cardinals have used Boldin in recent years and how the Lions and Cowboys have used Williams. 

Joyner charts the number of times teams throw at receivers and the results of each toss.  He then thin slices his basic numbers in a variety of ways.  For our purposes, it's important to look at routes by depth.   Joyner breaks down pass distance as follows:    short pass attempts are any catches made from 1-10 yards beyond the line of scrimmage.  These are the smoke routes, flanker screens, quick hitches and the like;  intermediate passes are thrown between 11-19 yards from the line of scrimmage;  deep passes are made more than 20 yards downfield and bombs are made more than 30 yards up the field. 

For this article, I'm going to combine deep passes and bombs as the category "deep passes."  Joyner creates further shorthand by combining all the intermediate and deep passes to contrast "vertical" attempts from short passes. 

With these categories, lets compare Roy Williams and Anquan Boldin's lines for 2005 through 2008, by depth.  First, Williams:

Year # Short # Inter. # Deep % Short % Vert.
Williams '05 41 21 26 46% 54%
Williams '06 46 61 43 31% 69%
Williams '07 48 33 20 48% 52%
Williams '08 41 * 49% 51%

*(I don't have the intermediate vs. deep breakdowns for '08, but they add up to 42 vertical attempts.)

Williams has fairly consistent route breakdowns.  Except for his monster '06, where he put up career numbers for Mike Martz and was used as a down-the-field weapon 69% of the time, he has been targeted roughly 52% of the time on vertical routes. He makes roughly half his catches short and half long.

Let's now take a look at Boldin's numbers, and to further the comparison, let's put his teammate Larry Fitzgerald's numbers up as well:

Year # Short # Inter. # Deep % Short % Vert.
Boldin '05 101 34 30 61% 39%
Boldin '06 85 39 20 59% 41%
Boldin '07 63 21 9 68% 32%
Boldin '08 96 * 77% 23%

*(I don't have the intermediate/deep splits but Boldin had 29 vertical attempts in '08,)

Larry Fitzgerald, '05-'07

Year # Short # Inter. # Deep % Short % Vert.
Fitzgerald '05 78 42 35 50% 50%
Fitzgerald '06 57 32 21 52% 48%
Fitzgerald '07 64 64 28 41% 59%

 

Notice the progression in Boldin and in Fitzgerald's combined games since '05.  They had the same rough number of intermediate and deep attempts in '05 and '06, but the last two seasons a definite division of labor has emerged -- Fitzgerald has become the clear deep threat, upping his vertical percentage to 59% in '07. 

Boldin, meanwhile, has seen his vertical attempts percentage cut almost in half.  Last year more than three quarters of his attempts were made within ten yards of the line of scrimmage.  Fitz stretches the field, and Boldin does his damage against linebackers and safeties underneath.

This does not tell us if Boldin is showing early signs of decline.  Todd Haley called a lot fewer deep passes for Boldin in '07 and '08 but it remains unclear if he has lost some of his deep capability.  Furthermore, these breakdowns run the risk of diminishing Boldin's production.   He's the king of yards after the catch, and I still put him in the top-15 at his position.  But it's clear that Boldin now plays the short game, almost exclusively. 

Turning back to Boldin vs. Williams, it appears Dallas obtained the veteran who has consistently played the deeper game.

It also appears that the game Boldin currently plays for Arizona matches the player profiles Massaquoi and Robiske offer.  Both fit the Cowboys big-receiver templates:  Massaquoi is 6'1", 210 lbs. and Robiske measures 6'3", 209 lbs.  Both get high marks for route running and intelligence.   Robiske, in particular, excels against zone coverage.  He had no reservations about working the middle of the field in college.

If Dallas takes one of these receivers, they'll be looking for Boldin-like play for a very un-Boldin like price:  the Cardinals has rankled management with his desire for a contract similar to teammate Fitzgerald's $10 million-per-year deal. 

Last year's 51st overall pick, Oklahoma receiver Malcolm Kelly, signed a four-year, $3.36 million deal with the Redskins. 

In other words, a receiver picked at 51 would cost roughly 10% of what Boldin wants.  If Dallas does in fact draft one of these guys and he provides 75 to 80% of a typical Boldin year, the Cowboys will get value. 

WIth rookies, especially wideouts, that's the biggest of ifs.

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Draft Strategy Makes no sense

With the way things are starting to look it seems as if WR is going to be a definite within the first 2 picks.

With Roy, Austin, Witten, Bennet, Crayton all needing to be significant parts of the passing game I just don’t see where a WR fits. This is especially perplexing when you consider the rumors that the team is working on a long term deal for Austin. If Austin signs an extension you’re looking at 3 receivers (Roy, Austin and Crayton) who are locks to stay on the team for the next few years. Why would we use our first pick to draft a 4th receiver (5th really if you count Witten)??

I’ll be very disappointed if we go this route on draft day.

by boysinyabelly on Apr 23, 2009 1:21 AM CDT reply actions  

Crayton is no lock to be here next season...

Witten is a TE, not a WR…there is a difference believe it or not. So WR makes sense if they go that route. If they draft a WR this season he could be ready to contribute next year.

You really think Jerry, knowing he has no first round pick is going to draft a boring pick like a OL or safety going into his new stadium next year? Do I think we will draft a WR with the 2nd round pick, probably not unless Harvin slips some then it could get interesting. People have to realize there are alot of question marks with our WRs.

by Boyzfan94 on Apr 23, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Harvin's in the box

I don’t know where you’ve been the last 2 weeks but its been reported by mulitiple media outlets that Harvin is off our draft board.

by boysinyabelly on Apr 23, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

75 to 80% of a typical Boldin year

How can a 4th or 5th WR, (considering Witten), catch 75 to 80 balls. There’s no way an 2nd round WR can meet those expectations unless that rookie comes in as our #2 WR. Neither Robiske or Massaqoui can do that for the Cowboys.

So is either any differenct than we already have? Roy is a deep threat, with decent hands, Austin is a deep, Crayton runs good routes and has nice hands, Stanback is a deep threat that can return kicks.

If Harvin falls, he could bring something unique – burst. However I think it’s more likely that Jerry adds the same type of WR later – Mike Thomas.

by birdness on Apr 23, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

these guys may be the best options at 51

Unless the Cowboys see a highly rated player fall, they’re probably staying at 51. And if the
best option is WR, then you take him.

Crayton will be 30 this year. Hurd doesn’t show me anything special. I like Austin, but he’ s not a proven talent.

If it comes down to say, Robiske being the best player on the board, then I have no problem with Dallas taking him.

by Rafael Vela on Apr 23, 2009 1:24 AM CDT reply actions  

+1

0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.

by gee-roj on Apr 23, 2009 4:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

I am all for taking Robiskie at #51.....I've changed my views on WR recently...

Robiskie is a better WR than both Crayton and Austin right now….imo…..and could provide immediate production…..I don’t actually want us to go WR early…but I’m always in favor of drafting players that I view better than the guys we have, regardless of position…..and Massaquoi has been getting some rave reviews lately, and if chosen at #69, I’d be content I guess….

I didn’t really follow WR’s leading up to the draft, because I certainly didn’t imagine the face lift that took place…..I still prefer a smaller, quicker slot type with return ability (Mike Thomas, Mike Wallace, Johnny Knox) ….but it’s not my team…and Jerry must feel an inept Garrett needs even more weapons to succeed. I personally would look to shop Crayton the moment a WR is selected…He WILL become a major distraction once he loses his #2 spot to Austin, and the rookie will also be cutting into his time, and you’re gonna hear from him on it…..He can get us maybe a 4th-5th rounder, or add him along with a later pick to move up ..I’d pull the plug on him…..

I still shake my head when Isaiah Stanback goes unmentioned in featured postings, as if he’s not a roster member, or a viable receiving option……..Maybe it’s just me, but I see tremendous strides and progression coming this preseason/season, and Stanback will be our 4th WR by opening day …..say bye to Sam Hurd.

by My_2_Cents on Apr 23, 2009 6:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

based on what?

Unless you’ve got some insider on your blackberry or access to some secret practice footage, predicting Stanback over Hurd is pure speculation. Even Jerry doesn’t talk about Stanback much when he mentions his optimism for the young guys—it’s all “we have faith in Roy, Austin, and Hurd to step up.” Most of us have actually seen very little of Hurd on the field, and even less of Stanback. So what grounds do you have for anticipating “tremendous strides” for Stanback this year?

by greatwhitenorth on Apr 23, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1

I know this guy, that heard something from this other dude …

by birdness on Apr 23, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks, Raf

I’ve said before and I’m saying again, there is no one who gives better analytical information and assessments than you do. I leave almost every one of your posts really learning something as opposed to a lot of rehashed opinion and hyperbole from the mediots. Thanks again.

by swidge on Apr 23, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

My position on getting a WR in this draft has been consistent. I feel like OL and S are positions that can be addressed with and pick other than the first one. For the first pick, I believe the priorities are still ILB and WR.

I firmly believe in trading up to get Nicks or Robiske. Dallas has the ammo to move into the 40s if they really want to.

by Zak on Apr 23, 2009 2:23 AM CDT reply actions  

Nicks and Robiske

Sound great in the 40s. However, will they still be great next year if Flo continues to degrade and Columbo becomes a free agent? Doesn’t matter how great a WR is if the QB is on his back.

I can’t see trading up in the second unless a special player slides into the 40’s. I really like Nicks and Robiske has a high floor, but the team has other needs and trading up gets expensive pick wise. Instead of reaching, consider what might be had by staying put.

51 Brian Robiske
69 Juaquin Iglesias, Derrik Williams
101 Mike Thomas, Ramses Barden, Louis Murphy
117 Brandon Tate
156 Too many to list.

Crayton was a 7th, Hurd and Austin were UFAs.

by birdness on Apr 23, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Colombo can't become a FA next year

He just a signed a multi-year contract.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 23, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Use the talent you already have

We brought in Bennett and F. Jones last year, and they both figure into the passing game this year unless our coaching staff misses the boat. My prediction is we take the best player available at 51. Whoever is dropping. We might even trade up into the 40’s to get that player who’s dropping. Just don’t trade away our third or fourth round picks to do it.

"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now."
--Bruce Coslet

by SB Six on Apr 23, 2009 6:09 AM CDT reply actions  

I agree SB.......I think we got plenty of options already....and the use of precious 3rd/4th rounders to move up would be assinine ...imo..

I believe the heart of our needs, and the best value of those positions are the deepest in rounds 3 through 5…….(LB,WR,CB/FS,NT)

by My_2_Cents on Apr 23, 2009 6:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Two points

First, I’m not sure if the metrics are being used correctly here.

We’re showing that Boldin’s role in the Cardinals’ offense has changed since the emergence of Fitzgerald. Well, that should not be a knock on Boldin. Fitzgerald is currently leagues better than any receiver in this league not named A. Johnson.

Yet you still see that Boldin tore it up his rookie season when Fitzgerald was still in college. It’s likelier to believe that he can regain that form once he becomes a primary target again rather than think that there might be early decline.

Incidentally, a similar situation began to play out in Detroit with the arrival of C. Johnson. Can we see his metrics? In time, one would think that he might have supplanted Williams as the deep threat in the Detroit offense. Would the Boldin-Williams comparison perhaps be more equal if Williams and Johnson played together another year? Then can you be sure we got the right receiver?

Regardless, water under the bridge. I think Williams is a gifted WR and has the upcoming year to prove his worth — last year was just an amalgam of bad luck for him.

Second point later, sorry.

Everything's looking up, Milhouse!

by accidental innuendo on Apr 23, 2009 6:10 AM CDT reply actions  

Whoops

Forgot to mention that the metrics might be skewed somewhat because Williams was the best option on his team (until Johnson’s arrival) whereas Boldin has to share the field with Fitzgerald.

Everything's looking up, Milhouse!

by accidental innuendo on Apr 23, 2009 6:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

If Johnson were supplanting WIlliams, Williams numbers would have changed

they have not.

Boldin will be 29 this year. I would think his numbers, his deep numbers, would remain
constant, since teams are scheming more to take Fitzgerald out of game. Yet in each
of the last two years he’s had fewer than 10 deep attempts per season.

That’s about one every other game. For a blue chip receiver, that’s not right.

by Rafael Vela on Apr 23, 2009 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

No, that's underdoing it

He’s had roughly 30 vertical attempts per season each of the last two seasons.

That’s about two attempts per game that are more than 10 yards down the field.
Let’s use Alvin Harper and Michael Irvin as a comparison. When Harper was in his
prime, from ’92 through ’94, he was the deep threat.

DId this mean Dallas stopped sending Michael Irvin down the field? Absolutely not.
If both receivers can do damage on deep outs, square ins, posts and the like, why not call them? Especially when your partner is drawing more attention.

by Rafael Vela on Apr 23, 2009 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1

What a horrible use of statistics.

Res firma mitescere nescit

by Fighter15 on Apr 23, 2009 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

To say ...
A comparison of both veterans suggests that the Cowboys got the right veteran, in spite of Williams’ dismal December.

is so incredibly false its not even funny. Don’t look at bias statistics just look at pure production and AQ blows RW off of the field. Also the cards had 3 1,000 yd recievers so they’re not going deep to each one constantly, Warner spread it around. I think RW will have a very good year, and has the talent to be more explosive than AQ but he hasn’t done it yet, so to this point AQ is the better player and better veteran

Texas Stadium has a hole in the roof so God can watch his favorite team play football.

by iCowboy on Apr 23, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Warner may be spreading it all over the field but he still isnt spreading it deep to AB.

AB is a great run after the catch guy as a number 2 guy. RW has been more productive deep and he was the number 1 guy. My fear of AB is does he remain as productive being the number 1 guy.

The Democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson

by squidlo97 on Apr 23, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

YES BIAS LOOK AT THE REAL ONES.

for AQ’s career he averages 81 yards a game recieving. which is 1296 (almost 1300) yards per season. He averages 8 TD’s a season. AND since you keep talking about how he can’t stretch the field. His rookie year when he was the only option he had 6 catches of 40 yards or more. Roy Williams has never had even 5 catches of 40 yards or more in any of his seasons as a pro. IN FACT for their careers RW has 13 grabs of 40+ yards while Boldin has 19 grabs of 40+ yards.

RW averages 58 yards a game for his career which means he ave. 933 yards per season far behind boldin’s (yes Boldin had a better QB, but 400 yd per season better?) Boldin ave 8 TD per year and RW ave. 6.4

Boldin is BETTER it’s that simple. He is a better player and has been far more productive that Williams has been so far. I think RW will have a very good year in Dallas, but let’s not kid ourselves Boldin is just plain better.

Texas Stadium has a hole in the roof so God can watch his favorite team play football.

by iCowboy on Apr 23, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

AQ's yd r when healthy

for career he ave. 1035 per yr

Texas Stadium has a hole in the roof so God can watch his favorite team play football.

by iCowboy on Apr 23, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've never though of Raf's opinions

as biased.

Or his statistics.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by AirforceBat on Apr 23, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

i do't think his

opinions r biased at all I always like his write-up, I’m just saying Boldin is a better all around player. that’s all, and too look at deep throws only isn’t a true measurement of talent.

Texas Stadium has a hole in the roof so God can watch his favorite team play football.

by iCowboy on Apr 23, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes but Raf's point is also based on this year's draft, and potential WR

that dallas could have that fit the boldin mold more-so than RW style of play, and they could be had at a much lower cost and have a longer career. Boldin is going to be on the wrong side of 30 this coming year and it would be hard to justify paying 10 mill a year to a player that will soon start to decline in the next couple of years.

Your point that Boldin is better than RW is moot because the deal is done, I think raf was addressing fans of the team who still wanted Boldin even though we already have RW.

Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!

by cowboy78 on Apr 23, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I say forget Nicks, wait for the real bargain: Brandon Tate

Anyone notice that Hakeem Nicks and Mohamed Massaquoi played high school ball together in Charlotte?

Nicks was UNCs second choice for most of his career – to Brandon Tate. Now Tate’s stock has taken yet another hit (knee troubles this year were the start)…

ESPN: Tate Positive for Marijuana at NFL Combine

This is a guy that proved to be a BETTER weapon than Nicks, that will now be available with one of our 5th round picks… or later! … and that could EASILY prove to be the best WR in this year’s draft.

NOW THAT TO ME IS A BARGAIN

(for the record, I put about zero concern on a marijuana charge – it’s as common in college as beer – and is no indicator of work ethic or otherwise. The list of examples supporting this is endless… )

Tar Heels = National Champs in Basketball ... top 5 in Baseball ... Top 10 this year in Football?

by DalaiLuke on Apr 23, 2009 6:22 AM CDT reply actions  

+1

0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.

by gee-roj on Apr 23, 2009 6:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

It isn't taking a toke or two

that bothers me. I am all for legalizing marijauna. It is the fact that he would do it knowing he is about to go to the biggest interview of his life. Is there anyone on this board who can toke it up right before going to an interview? I have been taking drug screens since I was 18. Never once did I smoke before one of them. And, I always had a little helper ready for the randoms. Any one who is that nonchalant or stupid needs a little closer examination than the ordinary player. What if he can’t kick it? What happens if he decides to toke it up before the playoffs? Do you really want to take that chance?

When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.

by GunsUp on Apr 23, 2009 7:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

It is not the toke but the stupidity of testing positive at such a crucial point in his career. Taking a hit now and then I can tolerate. Being a dumbass, not so much.

Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.

by OskieOskie on Apr 23, 2009 7:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.

by GunsUp on Apr 23, 2009 7:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Big mistake by Tate. If you can’t stay off weed for the 4 weeks leading up to certain drug testing, then you either have a real problem or you lack common sense, either way not good.

April 25-26 -- NFL Draft

by APerfectStar on Apr 23, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did you get into Tate's weed?

Nicks >>> Tate, look at their production. Tate does have a high YPG but he got hurt.

by birdness on Apr 23, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

birdness, find me ANYONE that followed both players that agrees with you

Tate >>>>> Nicks… not even a debate in Chapel Hill

As for all the comments about questionable judgement, while there is some truth, you also need to remember that pot stays in your system for a month. He may have thought some BS “cleanser” drink would help him. Ill advised, but hardly reason to pass on the guy.

Like I said, there are simply too many examples of players that smoke to pass on Tate solely for this reason. We can get Tate in the 4th or 5th and use the higher picks on other needs.

Tar Heels = National Champs in Basketball ... top 5 in Baseball ... Top 10 this year in Football?

by DalaiLuke on Apr 23, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jerry has been burned by drug users

These draft sites follow both players

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/TSX/2009_WR
has Nicks as the 7th best WR, Tate is 26th

http://www.draftcountdown.com/rankings/wr.php
has Nicks as the 6th best WR, Tate is 12th

http://www.fantasyfootballjungle.com/y/nfl-draft/positions/wide-receivers.php
has Nicks as the 5th best WR, Tate is 13th

http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=9&c=12&yr=2009&nid=83&lnid=124&rc=4&pid=16
has Nicks as the 4th best WR, Tate is 17th

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/draft;_ylt=AvPWJ910WZs3QMoBleJB.eRDubYF?year=2009&type=8&round=1
has Nicks as the 3rd best WR, Tate is 12th

Is there a pattern here?

by birdness on Apr 23, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol....give the toker a chance...I agree..He will be a bargain (if his knee has been medically cleared)

I am more concerned with the dual lig tears…..but if found he’s sound, and everything will be alright..he’d be a fine choice….The weed thing will place him immediately into the drug program and subject to several random tests..and judging from his stupidity to fail a combine test…..It does raise concerns and he’s no longer a “must have” guy for me..but I’d love to have him , if he can regain his pre injury form…

by My_2_Cents on Apr 23, 2009 6:33 AM CDT reply actions  

if there is fire to the wire receiver smoke...

it probably means the cowboys think there is better value in a safety after the 51st pick. they think the guy they really want will either A) be gone at 51 and are planning accordingly, or B) they really like a safety that they know no one is going to take ahead of them later…

"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...

by ivysafety39 on Apr 23, 2009 7:26 AM CDT reply actions  

Masaquoi?

Raf, man, I need you to show me a good write up on Massaquoi. The first time I heard of him was 2 minutes ago, I googled him, and the internet, it was not so nice to mr. massaquoi. One site specificially said he was a horrendous route runner. More than one claimed he had terrible dropsies and focus. you cant have your underneath receiver be guilty of bad hands, can you?

by Elberraco on Apr 23, 2009 8:19 AM CDT reply actions  

lol

I have noticed a new resurgence in Cowboy hating in 2007, which can only mean one thing- We're back.

by nspirals on Apr 23, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

hilarious

Tar Heels = National Champs in Basketball ... top 5 in Baseball ... Top 10 this year in Football?

by DalaiLuke on Apr 23, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

robiski

wow, just saw some tape on this guy… id be more than happy to bring him on board.. looks like he has some good hands, seems to get seperation, and make some pretty nice plays.

by missingthe90s on Apr 23, 2009 8:36 AM CDT reply actions  

NO WIDEOUTS EARLY!!!

Please, for the love of all that is holy, draft the middle of the defense and offensive line first…much higher “hit” rate than receivers in the NFL, and a much more pressing need for us. We have enough weapons on offense that we don’t need a wideout as much as to bolster out defense inside (see the Ravens game last year) and get depth at the offensive line (see Cory Procter). The earliest we should be addressing wideout is round 4.

I’d rather get a: SS,FS,ILB,NT,C,G,OT all before any early round wideout. By the way, I ran the idea of Jarrett Dillard by Bob Papa and Randy Cross on NFL network and they thought he could be a great slot for us, might even have impact year 1 a la Eddie Royal.

Just my $.02

I have noticed a new resurgence in Cowboy hating in 2007, which can only mean one thing- We're back.

by nspirals on Apr 23, 2009 8:37 AM CDT reply actions  

I agree

I think we’ll see some good value for a safety, OT, LB, and NT in the 2nd through 5 rounds. Then in the 5th through the 7th we can take a chance on a WR and maybe even a 3rd string QB.

by staubachfan on Apr 23, 2009 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

We're not talking about missing on a first rounder

It sucks to miss period, but Robiske is about has bust proof as you can get. He may never be special, but he should be solid for a long time.

by birdness on Apr 23, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

who wanted Boldin over RW??

That seems odd to me because obviously RW is the more talented WR by far and away. Boldin is good, but how much of his production was due to Fitzy playing opposite thereby giving Boldin one on one matchups.

It seems as though we’re definitely taking a WR at some point in the draft, that should be interesting since we haven’t drafted a pure receiver from college since 2002.

If Delmas is gone at #51, I’d take Robitskie in a heartbeat, but there is no way he is currently better than Austin or Crayton as someone suggested, thats just ridiculous.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 23, 2009 8:46 AM CDT reply actions  

i agree

but in all fairness, boldin did well his rookie year without fitz

by missingthe90s on Apr 23, 2009 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but again

Boldin will be 29 this year. And then there’s this:

Starts
’03 — 16
’04 - 9
’05 -
14
’06 — 16
’07 — 11
’08 — 11

That’s a lot of missed games for a guy who wants big money. He’s never been
a speed merchant to begin with. I think his decline will come earlier than other
big receivers.

by Rafael Vela on Apr 23, 2009 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

I am for tkaing a wr in the 4th -5th rounds..we have other needs on defense

However, Mr Jones please take a gamble on dudley guice in the 6th-7th rd…This kid comes from a very small school but has tremendous upside…We got 4 picks in the last 2 rounds so lets take a shot on this kid…ty

by scandrick32 on Apr 23, 2009 9:40 AM CDT reply actions  

honestly I take guice in the 5th rd...I really want this kid wearing the star

He has aweomse hands great size and very good speed…Could be a colston type wr…I really have good vibes about this player…

by scandrick32 on Apr 23, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Folks, let's take a chill pill

This post doesn’t mean that they have a WR rated higher than any other position, this post only means that the Cowboys are doing their homework in finding the 2nd Round valued prospects.

What Rafael is implying isn’t picking a WR ahead of any other position player that’s also rated as a 2nd Rounder, he’s saying that if Dallas only finds a 2nd Round rated and 3rd Round rated players in the other need positions, you should select 2nd Round value or trade down.

And that’s it.

Viva México! Go Cowboys!

by Chandus on Apr 23, 2009 10:00 AM CDT reply actions  

yep

I wrote a long piece last year arguing that Dallas might grab Martellus Bennett at 61
and a lot of people argued that Dallas didn’t need another TE.

When their pick came up, he was, by far, the highest rated player on their board, so
they took him.

That’s my point. They have some WRs they have rated in the 51-69 range and who they
like a lot, and if they’re the best players available, don’t be surprised if one of them is picked.

by Rafael Vela on Apr 23, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree, you should always select

the highest player on your board, unless its at a position where you’re super stacked, like us at RB this season.

I think OL, WR and any defensive position is fair game for us in the second rd.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 23, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Two things

First, I think the metrics are interesting and am not totally discounting them. But I think they sell Boldin way short. I think he is a beast and won’t have a problem flourishing as a team’s number one option. I like Roy Williams, but I would rather have Boldin (not by much though). It will be interesting to see what happens, but I hope Boldin doesn’t end up in the NFC East.

Second, the flowers are blooming . . . the grass is green . . . and the annual chorus against using an early pick on a WR has returned. It must be draft time. WR is definitely one of our greatest needs and it would be nice to (finally) draft a prospective WR that is thought to have enough talent to warrant a high pick. My favorite argument against drafting a WR early is that they take time to develop and won’t make an immediate impact. While that is generally true, all it does is point out that we should have used an early pick on one in at leats one draft in the last few years.

We need to recognize that we’re a RW injury away from having one of the most unproven group of WRs this side of the Titans. And let’s be honest, with the exception of Crayton, our group of WRs doesn’t have the best track record of staying healthy.

So let’s plan ahead a little bit and se if we can get a young WR with talent that can develop over the next couple of years, so we won’t have to constantly chase them in FA or trades.

by Blammo on Apr 23, 2009 10:11 AM CDT reply actions  

No stats to back up

this post but my feeling last year was that DBs moved up on draft day and WRs moved down. Based on what I am hearing and reading it may be the same this year. I am scared to death of drafting WRs early because they seem to be more and more difficult to rate.

Drafting a WR requires patience because they typically don’t come and tear it up. I have little patience but am trying to get used to the idea of drafting one early and just because you have veteran WRs on this team that know the system doesn’t mean you can’t have one get beat out. If we draft WR early either Hurd or Stanback is gone

by cow_fanatic on Apr 23, 2009 10:32 AM CDT reply actions  

Our draft should just be straight BPA

we need depth at literally every position aside from RB and TE. QB, WR, Oline, Dline, LB, secondary. We need depth pretty much everywhere. Safety is our only real need.

by foyesboys on Apr 23, 2009 11:00 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm sure it will be

Every press conference after the draft, GMs say “this guy was the best player available on our board so we took him.” Nobody drafts for need in the NFL, come on…

by greatwhitenorth on Apr 23, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oline Need >>> Safety Need

The line has 0 proven depth. There’s five starters any one could get hurt. Safety is a need too, look hard, most positions are thin, that’s the nature of a salary cap.

by birdness on Apr 23, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow

the last few months, I’ve been hoping that Delmas falls to #51 …. now I’m hoping it’s Robiske.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by Dub_TC on Apr 23, 2009 11:48 AM CDT reply actions  

What about...

Austin Collie of BYU? How does he differ from Robiskie?

by TheCowboyFan on Apr 23, 2009 12:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Give me Dillard at the top of the 4th

And forget the 2nd round WR’s. If the only value left in the 2nd round when the Cowboys are up at #51 is WR, then trade just down. Problem solved.

April 25-26 -- NFL Draft

by APerfectStar on Apr 23, 2009 1:05 PM CDT reply actions  

WR's

Robiske won’t be there at 51.
Massaquoiiiiiiiiiiiiii probably will. But don’t get locked onto one guy. I agree they need a WR, but Jerry has said many times, he prefers to get them in free agency, so I expect them to take a WR or 2 middle/late part of the draft – not in the 2nd or even the 3rd.
But hey, there are plenty of guys this year. I like Tate and Dillard later, but there are a lot guys who could make this team:
Britt, Heyward, Nicks, Iglesias, Harvin, Williams, Murphy, Thomas, Collie, Butler, Turner,
Cosby…to name a few.

by Gmunny on Apr 23, 2009 4:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Robiske is my guy, but he won't be there at #51

He is moving up the chart. He will probably go high 2nd or top of the 1st round.

by Boyzfan94 on Apr 23, 2009 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

You really think he's going to go at the TOP of the first round?

Is there no end to your buckeye bias?

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by AirforceBat on Apr 24, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Robiske

Should be a good receiver.If he’s the best player when it’s our pick so be it. I’m sure Tony needs another weapon in the offense. I’m sure it won’t slow the developement of any of our other younger receivers, not like TO did according to JJ. I still feel oline and safety are more important but if the value isn’t there take the Wr.

by oldboysfan on Apr 23, 2009 6:40 PM CDT reply actions  

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