Dallas is on the Clock at #51...You PICK
by BishopWest on Apr 24, 2009 12:38 AM CDT
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PrintOk, Jerry invites you into the "War Room" on draft day. He looks a little worried; some of the players he was hoping for are off the board. Tom Ciskowski reviews the remaining top players with you. Jason Garrett is putting pressure on you for offensive help, but Wade Phillips reminds you that the defense has been suspect.
Then without any further discussion, Jerry Jones, looks you in the eye and says, "You make the call!"
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If Percy Harvin is there...
You take him and sing and dance all the way to the bank…
-1
Had enough of diva WR’s.
Build the locker room with blood and guts players.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
we could just play..
…4 TE sets with mb3 in the backfield if you want.
i don’t know of a single report that says harvin is a “diva” wr.
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
by ivysafety39 on Apr 24, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
You act as if we have NOBODY @ WR
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
+1
no thanks
and the only thing i have read is about character concerns… character concerns first, then his explosiveness…
and he doens’t really have a position…. no thanks
by CowboysFan4Life on Apr 24, 2009 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Sean Smith
he could play both safety and CB, give him lots of old Henry’s old jobs. This guy can play special teams, and allows us to pick either a safety or CB in the latter rounds. whichever drops.
Imagine Smith in the second and Derek Pegues in the 5th or Smith in the second and Bradley Fletcher in the 5th.
+1
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by aussie_cowboy on Apr 24, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions
How you figure????
He’s projected anywere from pick 25 to 60 and hes a tweener so could be at 51 easy.
I thank God everyday i wasnt born a Eagles fan!!!!!!
Why would you not have FS-Louis Delmas as an option ??
not like I would have picked him….but I’m just pre-empting the barage of outcries your about to receive from his avid followers….
Conner Barwin is the most attractive player of the list, with the most upside of all the prospects….that’s my pick..
It would be very difficult to bypass Percy Harvin though….despite his “issues”, he’s the most dynamic player on this list, and will make an exciting Punt Returner and slot WR…..
2 cents
I would LOVE to have Delmas at 51, but I didn’t list him because…..
To develop the list of 10+ players above, I….
1) Looked at about a dozen popular mock drafts, and Delmas was gone by #51 (he probably won’t be available)
2) I listed players that I saw available on those popular mocks beginning at #51 through about #61
3) I eliminated players that I thought we probably wouldn’t draft (QB, RB, TE, etc)
4) I hesitated to list Percy Harvin, ‘cause I’m pretty sure he’ll go in round 1, but some mocks still had him at #51
5) Some players that I thought would go in round 3 or 4, were listed in some mocks around pick #51 to #61, so I listed them.
I didn’t just pick and choose a bunch of names; rather, I listed players I thought we might me interested in and that I could find on some legitimate mocks still available at #51.
every mock I saw in 2004
had Steven Jackson going well before pick 24 so you never know.
In Romo we Trust
thats the beauty of the draft...
surprises, which get better after every beer hah
by CowboysFan4Life on Apr 24, 2009 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Chung....
A SS that can cover TEs and lay the wood while returning punts and being a ST ace….sign it up
by nicholas.rodriguez on Apr 24, 2009 4:00 AM CDT reply actions
Chung can't cover toast with butter
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
no thanks
much rather have darcel mcbath
by CowboysFan4Life on Apr 24, 2009 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Me2.
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 24, 2009 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I like chung
He’s one of those players were looking for a football guy….
I thank God everyday i wasnt born a Eagles fan!!!!!!
You know...I'm starting to come around to the idea of them drafting chung.
I don’t know why I’ve been so hesitant to picture him with a star on his helmet; I guess I just didn’t notice him as much as Byrd or Nick Reed. It’s funny when you watch certain college teams and think one guy (Reed) will be a first-day lock because of their dominance on the field, but then other guys (Chung) get rated higher because they look to be better prospects on the pro level.
Maybe this is the year the Cowboys finally get good w/grabbing some Pac10 players.
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 25, 2009 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Robiski is a fringe 1rst rder
The Cowboys like him, if he`s there Jerry won`t be asking for our opinion.
so isn't Sintim, Gilbert, and Barwin...
all which will probably go before Delmas…
i've heard...
that several teams(i believe incl. the cowboys) have taken sean smith off the board for “fit” issues regarding his personality.
in this situation percy harvin has the highest grade and is in a need position. pretty easy pick.
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
No Brainier!
If Harvin is there you take him…but there is no way the most dynamic player in the draft gets out of the 1st round.
With that being said I am beginning to warm up to the Moore pick, however I am still not certain about his coverage skills_ call any safety we may pick a strong safety if you want, but in today’s NFL he must be dependable in both the run and the pass. Sean Smith seems like he could be an exceptional value pick, but it seems like he may not be the head banger we need, at least not right away, but he does have speed and with the right coaching and attitude he could develop into a player that could fill many rolls.
Robinson I think would be solid and possibly start at least part time right away.
Robiski I think could be solid and raise the level of our back up WR core at least to start-think Santonio Holmes.
The Utah Guard if Robinson isn’t there?…seems like the area they said he may go..cant remember if this is the guy that did 38 reps if it is then, solid pick.
Loadholt…from what I have read this guy is getting the benefit of the demand in the NFL for OTs- everything I have read leads me to believe there is no real chance he could develop into a NFL left tackle- therefore you have to way him against what we have- is he that much of an upgrade to use your 1st pick?
I went with the Duke.
Pitt makes players in the trenches priorities and they are very successful.If you can control the ball, clock and line of scrimmage you can always be in the game late.
I have nightmares about our safety play but the value say you can get basically the same guy in the 3rd. Harvin is instant offense but so is Felix. A big NT would be great but with our present NT its just not as big as OL. I want to grind up the east. I want the team we beat on Sunday to lose the following Sunday cause they are still to beat up from the week before. I want to eat lighting and crap thunder.
Investing in your Lines isnt always the best pick but its never the wrong pick.(unless the guys sucks but that always the wrong pick)
The Democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson
I've crapped thunder after bad mexican food
Trust me, you do not WANT to crap thunder.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Robitskie without hesitation
Simply the best player on that list by far and away. Forget about Harvin, he’s off the Cowboys draft for good reason.
We need tough character guys, not overrated prima donas who smoke weed.
In Romo we Trust
Once again--we are eye-to-eye, Terry.
I hear more buzz about Harvin now that he’s dropped. WTF? We might as well bring in Plax or Matt Jones.
Robiskie is where it’s at. That dude can contribute immediately and be a solid WR for a while.
If Sean Smith is there, I’d have to think for a second—but, I’d still go with Robiskie (the smart pick).
BTW—that Andy Levitre guy is pretty good if he happens to slip into the 3rd.
NO on Chung!
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 24, 2009 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions
its all committing crimes
which has been my point all along. It doesn’t matter if the actual behavior is okay with some fans because they’ve done it themselves, if you commit crimes as a player in the NFL, Goodell will come down on you hard, simple as that.
If Harvin is stupid enough to get busted for smoking pot before the combine, then he’s stupid enough to get in trouble as a pro where he’ll end up suspended and no good to the team.
I don’t care how talented a player is, I’ll pass every time.
In Romo we Trust
Speeding is commiting a crime doesnt mean it plays on his football skills
I agree with you it was stupid, and he probably is not a very intelligent guy always been in the spotlight banking football was his ticket, but the point is he can play. He has not commited any serious crime and so can not be compared to a pacman, matt j, or plax, he simply smoked and is stupid. Yet I dont think you have to be very smart to be a receiver. He has skills and could be an immediate impact player right away so yes u take a chance.
I might take issue with the phrase
I don’t think you have to be very smart to be a receiver
Generally, though not in every single case, but the GREAT MAJORITY of times, newly drafted WRs take about 3 years to develop in the NFL – because, of the smarts required to learn the complicated Offensive playbook, and to learn how to read NFL defenses, etc.
there is a big difference between
a mere traffic citation and a misdemeanor or felony and in case you don’t know, the law says smoking pot is a misdemeanor and therefore a serious crime.
I trust Goodell will feel the same way.
In Romo we Trust
He would and so would 25% of the league minimum if it was strictly enforced
I am all with you that it was stupid e was not able to stay clean when you know a test is coming, but honestly it should not affect his draft stock if he was at a different position yes, but WR just isnt a position you need to think a lot about you just really need to react.
I doubt if ANY
NFL WR would agree with your statement
but WR just isnt a position you need to think a lot about you just really need to react.
Tellus, I bet Barber does to
Hes way to quite and calm.
I thank God everyday i wasnt born a Eagles fan!!!!!!
+2
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 24, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
its not the fact that he smoked pot..
its the fact that he didn’t quit soon enough to test negative at the combine… that means he really doesn’t care… do i want a kid who doesn’t care on my team? no
by CowboysFan4Life on Apr 24, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I coulda swore Dallas dumped him off the board weeks ago...before he blew hot on that test.
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 24, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I think some people overdue it with character concerns.
Not everybody has be a stiff.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
by houseofprime on Apr 24, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Top 10
Looking at old mock drafts dated December of last year. William Moore was rated as a top 15 pick (1st round ) on almost every draft. The guy played one bowl game since these drafts were " mocked ", what the heck could he have done to drop so far back ? Since Delmas wasn’t an option (who I think is a better player ) I would draft the unpopular Moore, or take Robiskie and shoot for Darcel Mcbath with one of the 4th round picks.
What Moore did...
was get consistently burned all year, letting WR’s get behind him. He looked confused, was out of position and was, at times, a liability.
Then what he did was have a weak performance in Indy.
I’m not a fan…
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Brace
He immediately gets on the field as a two-down NT as a rookie and changes everything about our d-line.
No other player or position will have that kind of impact come game 1.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
+1
Not only our d-line but the defense all together. He’ll bolster our run defense and pass defense tremendously. Running lanes would be stuffed easily with our front 7 and the pass rush would flow a lot better due to more attention needed at the middle of their line. I agree with the term that says the game is won in the trenches! So if we win at the line of scrimage, where everything starts… then everything that follows will be in our favor!
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Not sure about "easily" but...
It allows Ratliff to test his ability to penetrate in the Guard/Tackle gap, which is what Seymour does all day long in New England terrorizing opponents.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
There are 3 players
that I would have a hard time choosing between if they were there at 51. They are Robiske, Delmas, and Smith. I think Robiske is the most polished WR in this draft and could come in and have a very good rookie season. Delmas could come in and by the end of the season be starting and he would fill a major hole. Smith could play corner or safety and be very good at both. I have to say though that I would take Robiske. I just think that this guy is going to be special.
Conner Barwin
I’d take a OLB to bookend with Ware and then trade Ellis for a 5th round pick.
Harvin will not be there at #51, he won’t be there at #41, there is no way he will fall that far. I’m sure he’s still going in the 1st to some team willing to take a risk on that kind of talent.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
I agree that Harvin will not be there
But, believe it or not, I did find some mocks that had him slipping below #51 – go figure
everything I've read
…has Barwin as a weakside OLB like Ware, not enough size/strength to take on the strong side. I think Spencer is still going to be the guy over there, so Barwin would be a luxury as Ware’s backup and another 3rd down pass rusher. I like the guy, but I’d rather see help in the backfield or NT or OT.
by greatwhitenorth on Apr 24, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions
You have a good point
I like Brace (fingers crossed his back problems are a result of conditioning, or fixable), also huge fan of Robinson (I don’t like any OT’s that would be available at#51).
But I think Barwin is versatile enough to play either side, and Wade likes to move the front 7 around to disguise where the pressure is coming from, so I just think he’d be a great fit, and he’s got such a big upside, I would have to take him.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Apr 24, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions
The top 3 vote getters
as of right now are:
27 Sean Smith, CB
23 Percy Harvin, WR
21 Robiskie, WR
Somehow, I really don’t think any of these 3 will actually be available at #51. And if they aren’t, then maybe a couple or 3 guys fall into our laps that are not on this list
Who do you think falls to #51?
Not a pipe dream, BUT REALLY, who you think that is an early round 2 pick that might slip thru the cracks and be there at #51 (that is not on the original list of this post?)
Kenny Britt, Hakeem Nicks, Jamon Meredith, Lawrence Sidbury...
just to name a few.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
by houseofprime on Apr 24, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I like those names
If Smith, Harvin, and Robiskie are not there
But your 4 guys are included in the list above, who are you taking?
If all 4 were there I would take Britt.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
by houseofprime on Apr 24, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions
My_2nd_Choice
after Brace.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Like him a lot too
Supposedly he can play any LB position in the 3-4, that’s very impressive if true.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Apr 24, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions
7 votes for Chung..
if we take Chung something is being broken in my house. This guy is another Roy Williams waiting to happen.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
I trade it away to Arizona with Crayton for Boldin...
Looks like Cardinals have lowered the price on Boldin…
sure
but has Boldin lowered his price? No way he’s taking less $$ than Roy, and no way you can have that much locked up at one spot and still sign Ware. Ain’t happening (though I really hope Boldin is traded outside the East).
by greatwhitenorth on Apr 24, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions
If all those players were at 51
I would trade down 10 picks get another pick next year and still get one of the players on my board. Can’t take 14 guys in 10 picks.
Once I saw Smith on the list
I didn’t even think twice. He’s great value for #51, and he’s extremely versatile. I see him playing corner then being put as the nickel safety on passing downs.
Realistically I don’t think he’ll be around at 51.
I don't see it...
He looks like a tweener to me.
Too tall for a CB and not physical enough for a Safety.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
What about over Sensi???
With a year of NFL action you dont see him starting opposite of Hamlin?
I thank God everyday i wasnt born a Eagles fan!!!!!!
Hamlin was stuck in teh box most of last year anyways
So it woudlnt make that much difference i just think his best position would be at FS and thats were he is a probowler so it doesnt make much sense to move him.
I thank God everyday i wasnt born a Eagles fan!!!!!!
diminished overall run support from both Safety spots.....not good..
Hamlin is strickly FS material….good to average at that…….inside the box……decent to poor…no thanks…
ok ok ok I have thought about this and have changed my mind...
I trade up for robiskie…He will be a very good pro and I believe a leader on this team in due time…The more i think about it the more i like this kid…….
That's how I've been feeling about him lately...he's growin on me.
I really think if there is a “safe” pick at WR, it’s him. It’d be cool if they grabbed him and then took that AZ kid later. Wow, what competition we’d have at wide receiver.
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 24, 2009 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions
What about Hicks
Or Britt or Heyward Bey? i would take any of them.
I thank God everyday i wasnt born a Eagles fan!!!!!!
nope..all question marks...
Robiskie’s the only “real” deal…and ready to play………plus none of them will be there at 51……..lets some other teams develope them…
At this point
Sean Smith leads the poll; and consider
72 votes for a DB
56 WR
24 OL
17 DL
12 LB
Of 181 different voters – most are thinking DB
I thought the LBs would beat out the DLs.
There’s so many more options at LB.
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 25, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
I think everybody is real high on Smith
He could kill two birds with one stone.. But i agree Sintom could be great and idk about barwin im not as high as everybody eles is on him.
I thank God everyday i wasnt born a Eagles fan!!!!!!
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