Cowboys' Draft 2009, Day One: Safeties First [Out the Door]
by Rafael Vela on Apr 25, 2009 9:25 PM CDT
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PrintLast year, teams held back on the wideout position. Not a single one was taken in the first round, but then ten were selected in round two.
This year, safety matched that profile. None were taken in the first round, but seven possible safeties were selected in the second round, two, Louis Delmas and Patrick Chung, were the first two players taken.
The early run on coverage safeties of interest for Dallas -- Delmas and Darcel McBath in particular -- led the Cowboys to trade down from their 51st overall pick into the 3rd round. Dallas flipped the pick for Buffalo's 3rd, 75th overall, and their 4th rounder, the 110th overall.
The Cowboys now own two of the first eleven picks tomorrow. The team owns twelve picks, two in the 3rd, 6th and 7th rounds and three each in the 4th and 5th rounds.
Here are some names to look for in the middle rounds:
Defense
- Jarron Gilbert, DE, San Jose State
- Roy Miller, NT, Texas
- Dorell Scott, NT, Clemson
- Lawrence Sidbury, OLB, RIchmond
- Jason Williams, LB, Western Illinois
- Jasper Brinkley, ILB, South Carolina
- Rashad Johnson, S, Alabama
- Chip Vaughn, S, Wake Forest
Offense
- Stephen McGee, QB, Texas A&M
- Juaquin Iglesias, WR, Oklahoma
- Derrick Williams, WR, Penn State
- Duke Robinson, G, Oklahoma
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I'm not going to list who i would like............
because i think the giants are reading my post and picking who i want.
And for anyone who cares.............
the jerry jones press conference is on dc.com live. Not sure what he’s going to talk about
I'm glad he didn't ... we already have our WRs
Tar Heels = National Champs in Basketball ... top 5 in Baseball ... Top 10 this year in Football?
scratch that.
I dont think that was jerry i heard. They just scanned the room and he was no where to be found.
by TARHEEL PAUL on Apr 25, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Is getting a good value more important than getting a good player?
I’m not really a draft guy like so many people on this board seem to be, but I just don’t see the logic in acquiring more and more late round picks and no Day 1 guys. Is this team really that talented that someone who was available at 51 couldn’t have helped them?
Also, I didn’t bother reading any of the mock drafts because they are typically an exercise in futility, but did anyone, expert, journalist, or blogger, accurately predict what the Cowboys did today?
by Baked Potato Soup on Apr 25, 2009 9:31 PM CDT reply actions
if the remaning guys in your 2nd round pick have 3rd round grades
wouldn’t it make sense to trade down and pick up a 3rd and 4th rounder?
ya it makes sense
until you get to those picks and realize that the value isn’t there and trade down again, and again, and again. until you’re stuck in the 6th round with 25 picks and finally have to make a selection knowing full well that the kid won’t make your team. But hey, at least you got value.
LOL!!!!!!!
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YOU Decide...
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by silverblue5 on Apr 25, 2009 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
4 picks maybe in the 3rd?
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Apr 25, 2009 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Here’s an idea. It’s two picks before your pick and Massaquoi is the only guy left you are interested in. Instead of being caught with your pants down when Seattle trades in front of you to get him, you either a. trade up yourself to get him or b. develop a contigency plan before you are on the clock!!
by Beuerleincouldhavebeenbetterthentroy on Apr 25, 2009 9:35 PM CDT reply actions
Yes i agree i hope they do quincyyyyy id like to see at least 3 first rounds picks
I thank God everyday i wasnt born a Eagles fan!!!!!!
your right it should be exciting.
Now that im over the let down of the 2nd round. After Rey Maualuga and McBath went i really didnt see anybody else i just had to have.
We could of Had Oaklands Draft
Not giving it the Finger anymore are you??? Heyward bey end of first round talent…. 7th overall Mitchell 7th round talen 40th overall it could be worse
I thank God everyday i wasnt born a Eagles fan!!!!!!
I was just kind of surprised with all of the late round ammo we had,
that we didn’t move up and grab someone we wanted today.
Also, if we get Derrick Williams, I’ll puke. That guy is overrated.
not that simple
our “ammo” was between the 5th and 7th rounds.
With all of those picks,
We should be able to get at least 3 guys who make the team, and at least 1 of those should be around in a few years. It should be an exciting day.
by Baked Potato Soup on Apr 25, 2009 9:38 PM CDT reply actions
so what picks do we have now in the third?
by CowboysFan4Life on Apr 25, 2009 9:41 PM CDT reply actions
Jarron Gilbert.......... Jasper Brinkley.......Scott Mckillop........Jason Williams........Mike Thomas..........Duke Robinson...........Franz Joesph............Ramses Barden..............Rashad Johnson...........Chip Vaugn.................Dorrel Scott....
Im not Sweating it…. look how many people had Duke going at 51 and now we can get him in the third round and still have a luxury pick to make sure we can move up and get who we want today was a good day and Dallas did what they should of done.. Follow the board… thats what we all want Jerry to do and he did it perfectly
I thank God everyday i wasnt born a Eagles fan!!!!!!
+10000
I hate that we didn’t pick cuz I was excited but I still got the faith
by nicholas.rodriguez on Apr 25, 2009 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions
This is a great year NOT to have a 1st round pick
The talent available in this draft sucks, and I’m glad the Cowboys are trading down. I wish they were amassing picks for 2010 and 2011, but multiplying their picks for later rounds in 2009 isn’t the worst idea.
How is more picks good then?
If the talent sucks, how does acquiring more picks help your team, rather than just taking the best available player at the spot you’re at?
by Baked Potato Soup on Apr 25, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Couple reasons
1. $$$$$
2. Why reach for what you think might be a possible talent when you can drop a couple rounds and get a guy that projects, on your board, to be a late round rough gem? Why spend the money on a 2nd round guy when you can get the same guy (or equivalent) a round later?
So everyone else in round 2 reached?
You do that because you were 9-7 last year, are aging, and lost talent on both sides of the ball. At least try to get better instead of acquiring more Stanbacks.
by Baked Potato Soup on Apr 25, 2009 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions
no, different teams have different grades
other teams may be in love with guys that our scouting department didn’t like.
The Cap problem is, this year EVERY draft pick gets paid in fulll when cut.
So I hope we can dump some of these picks, either for next year, or to move up a few spaces.
Give them away, bring in 6 or 7 guys. Not 11 or 12!
by Realist Larry on Apr 25, 2009 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions
i don't know exactly the way the cowboys board broke down
but heres the logic:
you assign a certain amount of first round grades, second, third, etc. Say we gave 23 first, 25 second and 35 thirds and 35 fourths.
After our pick, there were no remaining second round players. So why would we NOT trade down 20 picks and pick up a 4th?
It's better to have a good value than a good player, then?
I’m not a draft expert. I wouldn’t have been able to put together all of the mock drafts that I saw on this board, and I didn’t read them. I guess all of the guys who did those already predicted that the Cowboys would back out of round 2, right?
So, from what you guys are saying, it’s more important to look smart than to get a player that can possibly help your team a few picks early. Is that correct?
by Baked Potato Soup on Apr 25, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions
no.
it is smarter to trade down 20 picks and pick uip a 4th if you believe the talent level at that spot 20 picks from now is the same as the talent level at the current position.
It is better...
to pick players you think can help the team. If you don’t think they will make the cut, why pay them and have them count against your cap? Remember, the Boys scouts have all seen these guys and have personally worked out and talked to many others. They have pretty good ideas who they think will make the team.
I will say, however, that I was starting to drool and thinking of pick trading as Rey Maualuga was falling.
If no one at pick 51 is going to make the team,
How are more lower drafted guys going to make the team?
by Baked Potato Soup on Apr 25, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm glad everyone is so positive, because I'm absolutely despondent
Between the disastrous way last season ended, releasing T.O., our lukewarm efforts in free agency this offseason, to not picking anyone on day 1, and getting ripped off on the trade of our second round pick (chart value). Excuse the vernacular, but THIS SUCKS.
Ya i went and saw we got screwed to but maybe the value is different
The Browns were trading down all day for almost nothing the Jets got a steal in Sanchez
I thank God everyday i wasnt born a Eagles fan!!!!!!
Agreed.
For a team that was 9-7 last year, is aging, and lost talent on both sides of the ball, I’m a little surprised that not only are they claiming there wasn’t anyone at pick 51 that could help the team, but they basically got caught with their pants down.
by Baked Potato Soup on Apr 25, 2009 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Flozell aside
where’s the age on this team?
TO is gone, as is Terry Glenn. Their skill position players are young, as are their back seven.
Ellis is a situational player now. Brooking is old, but who else?
Maybe I'm wrong.
I thought Dallas had several guys 30 or older, not just Flozell.
by Baked Potato Soup on Apr 25, 2009 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Guess what, dude... it ain't 1990
Picks aren’t worth what they were 20 years ago. Things change. If you’re despondent over Dallas not overpaying some schmoe in round 2, wake up. The talent in this draft sucks.
Okay, so shouldn't you take the best available?
If the talent is so bad, why get more picks and get lower rated guys? How does that make sense?
by Baked Potato Soup on Apr 25, 2009 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Play the odds.
If you have 5 guys you think are mediocre, as opposed to 3 guys you think are, you have a better chance of getting a player out of it.
by Mandmeisterx on Apr 25, 2009 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions
because they're not lower rated
obviously the guys on the board at #51 weren’t rated any higher than the guys that were going to be available in rd 3, thats how the draft process works
In Romo we Trust
you're despondent because they traded out of round TWO?
Here’s the Dallas draft so far:
1. Roy Williams, wr, Texas
2. trade down
3-7 to be determined.
why didnt they get more though...
Parish or trading one of our 7ths as well for their 5th something like that?
How easily they forget
I mean, we could’ve wasted a 2nd rounder on some gimp WR that probably won’t contribute for 2-3 years.
Instead they wasted a 1st and 3rd.
by Baked Potato Soup on Apr 25, 2009 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions
He said someone who wouldn't contribute for 2-3 years.
So, next year is Roy’s second. He didn’t contribute much last year. Honestly, they probably would have been better with Crayton out there. I think he’ll have a good year this year, but if the criteria for a wasted pick is them not contributing in the first year, then he qualifies.
by Baked Potato Soup on Apr 25, 2009 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions
a year would be 16 games
he played ten. so give it some more time before you start making judgements about our number 1 WR hes trying, They say his Work Ethic is remarkable and hes been there everyday with Romo
I thank God everyday i wasnt born a Eagles fan!!!!!!
No, a year is a season.
It doesn’t matter how many games that player played.
I want him to do well, I hope he’ll do well, etc., etc.
I’m just saying, based on the above statement that using a 2nd rounder on someone who takes 2 years to contribute is wasting it, then giving a 1st and 3rd for Roy was wasting it. I didn’t define the criteria.
by Baked Potato Soup on Apr 25, 2009 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions
give me a break
you wouldn’t take roy over a wr picked after crabtree and maclin? cmon. I think you’re putting far too much into draft picks at a very difficult position to draft.
Id take roy over Hey Ward bey
He was taken 7th lol stupid raiders
I thank God everyday i wasnt born a Eagles fan!!!!!!
No.
I’m saying that if a guy takes 2 years to contribute, that doesn’t make him a waste, or else Roy W would be wasting a 1st and 3rd as he didn’t contribute much last year.
by Baked Potato Soup on Apr 25, 2009 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions
it could have been
1. Roy Williams
2. Sean Smith, William Moore, Andy Levitre, Phil Loadholt, Sherrod Martin, or William Beatty
3-7 to be determined
co-sign
sean smith was there for da taking.
and to add insult to injury, the Miami Cowboys landed him.
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YOU Decide...
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by silverblue5 on Apr 25, 2009 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Draft fun...
Louis Delmas pick 33.
Pat Chung pick 34.
William Moore pick 55.
Sean Smith pick 61.
Where’s the "Sean Smith is a first rounder" group?
Where’s the "Pat Chung is a 3rd rounder" crowd?
Hahaha…
Lol
I was Screaming for Sean Smith….. at like pick 55 Im just happy there sticking to the board.
I thank God everyday i wasnt born a Eagles fan!!!!!!
I wasn't to keen on Smith at all so I'm fine with it.
Most of the Second round guys I liked were gone so I like the trade down move. There’s plenty of solid looking third and forth rounders for us.
We've got a stack of good picks tomorrow.
We can still land a solid handful of players who’ll make the roster and contribute this year. If we’re lucky we’ll even be able to trade a few of those picks for earlier picks next year.
Do you seriously believe that?
Do you really think Dallas will land more than 3 players that will actually contribute this year?
by Baked Potato Soup on Apr 25, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
absolutely
but the reason for that is going to be that they have to. At least one linebacker/secondary player will ABSOLUTELY contribute, cause we just don’t have depth there. Maybe OL too.
Baked Potato,
Guess it depends on your definition of contribute.
I think they’ll pick up a Safety (early) and a CB (sometime) who will play special teams and certain defensive packages.
I think they could pick up a NT (Roy Miller?) that will have a rotation role.
I think they could get a lineman (Duke Robinson?) who will supplant either Procter, McQuistan or Holland.
I think they could get there future ILB (Brinkley?)
I think they could pick up a better FB.
I think they could get a fast and shifty WR, KR or PR that’ll add some explosiveness.
I don’t think they’ll get all these things. But I think four is very possible.
Seriously
We Boys fans all know that the problem last year was not talent. It was team unity, drive, will whatever you want to call it. Look, I was bummed too not to grab a top “rated” talent… but I keep faith that we just didn’t see guys we had graded well… and let’s face it, the staff has seen more than us. 5/6 hits last year tells me they do. Keep the faith. We don’t need early round “impact” players. We have more than most teams if we made zero picks.
I have noticed a new resurgence in Cowboy hating in 2007, which can only mean one thing- We're back.
5th and 11th picks in the 3rd
1st, 10th and 17th in the 4th
22nd, 26th and 36th in the 5th
and beyond that, look it up
In a deep draft for OL, how is this bad?
Dallas has their starters solidified. What keeps them from using this draft to shore up backup positions? Perhaps one of those guys emerges as a solid starter. There’s nothing wrong with backfilling your roster with a boatload of 2nd day picks.
Key Is Round 3 and 4: note the position of our picks
The five picks in rounds three and four are at the very top of those two rounds. Dallas will have the strength from these picks to let the BPA doctrine work, and they can move when necessary to snag a particular player. I think we are going to look back today and go WOW; this is a very good crop of players.
Here ya go
69, 75 (3rd)
101, 110, 117 (4th)
156, 166, 172 (5th)
197, 208 (6th)
210, 227 (7th)
- and #208 are not tradable
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Apr 25, 2009 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions
172 and 208 not tradable
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Apr 25, 2009 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Let me sum up the Jerry press conference that just ended..........
blah, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah and blah blah blur blur blur blah.
I believe he said
uuuuuuuuummmmmmmmmm uuuuuurrrrrrrr uuuuuuuuhhhhhhhh uuuuuuuuummmmmmmmmm uuuuuurrrrrrrr uuuuuuuuhhhhhhhh uuuuuuuuummmmmmmmmm uuuuuurrrrrrrr uuuuuuuuhhhhhhhh
I thought he said something like;
there was no value at #51 so we traded back. We considered trading up but it would have cost us some picks next year and so we declined. We think we’ve got a lot of well positioned picks tomorrow and we believe we’ll get some solid contributors and future starters.
we really didn't hold the cards to trade up
most of our picks were in the 5th round and on. I think that was the problem. To trade up, we’d either have to give up a third, the lions fourth, or a pick next year, and i agree with the scouts that that wasn’t a wise decision.
Ha-Ha-Ha!!! I know right. I thought I was gonna need an interpreter when he first began.
It reminded me of this.
Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/
by silverblue5 on Apr 25, 2009 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Special Teams
It sounds like Jerry didn’t like a bunch of players in the 2nd because he wanted the players picked to play special teams.
That’s ridiculous. This management team outthinks themselves more than any group in the NFL. They seem to really think they are so good that they have to only draft specialty players. They were 9 – 7 with no heart. Idiots.
What they should have done, seeing that this is a weak draft, they should should have traded all their picks to get 3 or 4 good players, instead of 12 below average ones.
outhinks themselves???
we’ve had one of the best drafting franchises for 6 years now.
and with 7 5-7th rounders, we really didn’t have that much ammo to move up.
Really?
Do you think the rest of the league thinks that? Guess again.
Take off your blue sunglasses and look at how many players are still on the roster or contributing from the last 6 drafts. It’s pretty pathetic. Apart from last year’s draft, there’s like 1 starter, 1 contributer and maybe 1 guy still on the roster from any of those drafts.
wow
Barber, Choice, Felix
Bennet, Crayton, Austin
Jenkins, Scandrick
Specncer, Ware
Ratliff, Bowen, Hatcher, Spears
And keep in mind that players like Canty, Fasano, Burnett were worthwhile players for us and in fasano’s case, went on to do well afterwards
5 of those guys are 1st or 2nd rounders.
7 if you count Fasano and Burnett.
by Baked Potato Soup on Apr 25, 2009 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions
you're ignoring the ones that arent.
barber, choice, crayton, scandrick, ratliff, bowen, hatcher, canty.
Its not like we’ve just drafted role players form the third round on.
You're ignoring all the horrible players they've taken.
In 5 years, they got 9 players in rounds 3-7 that are good. That’s less than 2 per year. So they are going to haul in 6 tomorrow from what everyone is saying is a horrid draft class?
by Baked Potato Soup on Apr 25, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Look again
1. I said take out last year’s draft. It looks good, but I think we should judge in 2 or 3 yrs.
2. Taking out last year’s guys, that’s 8 guys in 6 years, or 8 picks who are on the roster out of 42 picks. That’s 19%. That sucks.
3. Barber – great pick, Crayton – good. Austin – who knows, Bowen – who knows, Hatcher – average at best, Spears -below average.
Canty was average hear and now gone.
Fasano was a waste
Burnett was decent, but gone.
If their gone, it’s because they weren’t worth keeping, thus making them busts, in my book.
thats bad logic
Canty got paid a massive amount of money and we couldn’t keep him. For a foruth round pick. How was that not a success.
Fasano is playing well for miami.
Burnett was a solid 3rd down lb for us.
Austin has a ton of potential
Bowen is a solid contributor
and while spears is below average, compare him to the 4 defensive players taken above him. We got much more out of him than other teams got out of their first rounders.
you can’t have stars at ever position, especially considering how many stars are already on this team.
Stars?
I think the thought of so many stars on this team is flawed.
Who is a “STAR”. meaning top 3 in the league.
Romo – debatable, but not top 3 to me.
Barber – debatable.
Witten – yes
R.Williams – debatable, but doubtful to me.
BiggDavis – probably
Ware – for sure
Folk – Maybe…but he’s a kicker
McBriar – maybe…but he’s a punter
That’s 3 for sure and 3 maybe’s and 2 kickers.
This team needs more than everyone here will admit.casue I liked him and think they did the right thing.
I’ll pass on the Canty debate, because I liked him and thought we did the right thing. however:
Fasano – was average on Miami and should never have been our 2nd round pick
Ausin – Potential is the fools gold. Put up or shut up this year.
Bowen – solid is debatable.
Spears – should have been Steven Jackson
list of picks from 15-32
Look at the guys picked in front of us. We did better than all those teams aside form KC. Of the picks after ours, only Castillo, Patterson, Mankins and White did better than spears has done.
jackson wasn’t even in that draft.
15 Kansas City Chiefs Derrick Johnson Linebacker Texas
16 Houston Texans (from New Orleans) Travis Johnson Defensive Tackle Florida State
17 Cincinnati Bengals David Pollack Linebacker Georgia
18 Minnesota Vikings Erasmus James Defensive End Wisconsin
19 St. Louis Rams Alex Barron Offensive Tackle Florida State
20 Dallas Cowboys (from Buffalo)7 Marcus Spears Defensive End LSU
21 Jacksonville Jaguars Matt Jones Wide Receiver Arkansas
22 Baltimore Ravens Mark Clayton Wide Receiver Oklahoma
23 Oakland Raiders (from Seattle) Fabian Washington Cornerback Nebraska
24 Green Bay Packers Aaron Rodgers Quarterback California
25 Washington Redskins (from Denver) Jason Campbell Quarterback Auburn
26 Seattle Seahawks (from New York Jets through Oakland) Chris Spencer Center Mississippi
27 Atlanta Falcons Roddy White Wide Receiver UAB
28 San Diego Chargers Luis Castillo Defensive Tackle Northwestern
29 Indianapolis Colts Marlin Jackson Cornerback Michigan
30 Pittsburgh Steelers Heath Miller Tight End Virginia
31 Philadelphia Eagles Mike Patterson Defensive Tackle USC
32 New England Patriots Logan Mankins Offensive Guard Fresno State
since when do you need a bunch of top 3 players on your team
we have a good qb, definitely top 10, wasn’t top 5 last year.
The best TE in teh league and the best combo of two tight ends in the league..maybe
The best rb rotation in teh league
A questionable wr core, but roy certainly could be a top 10 wr, crayton is reliable and austin has a higher probablility of success than any wr we could’ve drafted.
Defensively, we have a guy who developed into a real leader last year in bradie, a great cb when healthy in newman, the best defensive player in the league in ware, a good dline and solid #2 and 3 cbs.
The better your team does the better they look
hey if tony romo won a superbowl hes a top 3 quarterback if marion barber won a superbowl and stayed healthy hes a top 3 Rb people are dumb and talk out there asses sometime. It is what it is and lets look at it in a positive way because until we become GM’s and buy our own NFL teams were in no posistion to talk.
I thank God everyday i wasnt born a Eagles fan!!!!!!
I buy tickets and merchandise.
I’ll talk.
by Baked Potato Soup on Apr 25, 2009 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions
ignoring
1. you are ignoring the massive multitude of failed picks. The question isn’t if we have gotten a few picks right, the issue is that our percentage is terrible. If we simply hit on half of our picks, we’d be a top team, but hitting on 20-25% cannot, as you said, make us one of the best drafting teams over the past 6 years.
2. i said, DON’T include last years draft. I think it looks like it will be good, but everyone is gungho over some unproven issues.
A. Will Felix stay healthy and be as good as the small sampling ly suggested? who knows?
B. I have high hopes for Jenkins, but if his play does not improve, he will be a bust.
C. Bennet looks to be good, but he could easily end up a knucklehead.
D. Choice looks good. maybe too good to keep.
E. Scandrick looks good.
F. Walden was a waste.
G. I can’t even remember anyone else.
Hey, I hope last year’s class remains great, but I think the jury should remain out for another 2 years.
3. We got Spears as a result of trading down the year before. The pick we had on our board, but got cute should have been Steven Jackson. Instead, we evaluated Jackson and Julius Jones so close, that we traded down, getting Julius and a pick the following year, which became Spears.
you can't just ignore last years draft
and its not like jackson has been some can’t miss rb.
If we don’t have that second 1st, who knows? maybe bill convinces jerry to pick spears over ware and we miss out on the best thing this team has going for it.
Also….25% isn’t godawful man. Especially with late round picks. We do much better with late round picks than most teams in this league.
look at the eagles drafts in recent years
or the giants. or the redskins. None of those teams are drafting bettter than us.
The giants have spent 4 high draft picks on wrs and the closest thing to a success has been Steve smith (a decent number two). We nearly have his production in crayton. Austin has shown more promise than Sinorice moss or mario manningham.
I take that back
with their limited picks, washington is doing a decent job. They’ve drafted a couple safeties and lb who can play.
The Eagles have pretty much added depth to their oline and defense and done little else. They have hardly added star players – maybe Bunkley will pan out, who knows. I think without Dawkins, and if Brown holds out, Phillys secondary will be a mess.
Spears and Ware
Having two picks in round one gave us the balls to draft Ware; Ware was not a consensus All Pro on draft day; he is now. Had we only had one pick, there is serious doubt if we would have pulled the trigger on Ware. And, the jury is out on Spears; he could break out this year – even if he leaves, we get compensatory like we will for Canty and Burnett
This team has only 2 "Stars": Witten and Ware.
They are the only 2 guys who consistently perform at a level to put them in the top 5 at their positions.
Not mention just about the only 2 who bring some heart to this team, with a few others.
by Realist Larry on Apr 26, 2009 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Point is he wanted people to contribute
and there is not a huge drop off in talent from the late second to the very early third.
Weak draft
my point is that because this draft was considered so week, there were really only handful of players(30-50) that look to be helpful, so why horde picks in a draft that is weak. trade them for a few picks in the top 50, where there are players that can help or trade them for next year. . . but understand that going in and plan your free agence accordingly.
what were we going to trade
to get 2 picks in the top 50?
We’d have to give up nearly our whole draft for those two picks. Thats not worth it.
You don't understand
just because it is weak at the top doesn’t mean it is “weak” in the middle. There is a lot of parity in this draft and you can find players with comparable talent in the third as in the second.
Furthermore, did we not cover our arses by getting Sensebaugh, Brooking, and Olshansky? I don’t get your FA comment at all.
I think it means the draft is really average. Meaning, most of the guys we get tomorrow will have a 50/50 shot at even making the team, let alone being significant contributors. For a 9-7 team, that’s pretty crappy.
Do you think any of those Free Agent’s are upgrades? I don’t. I think they are fillers. They might not be downgrades, but they didn’t make us better….and last time I checked, this team didn’t do very much and needed upgrading…unless we want to be 7-9 to 9-7 again.
of course they are fillers to some extent!
this team has the star power it needs, the problem is it didn’t have those fillers last year – the solid backup lineman, backup qb, anything resembling a legitimate safety. and now we lack backup linebackers.
Not many players we could’ve picked would start on this team. At least not without giving up our whole draft.
One of the post awhile back i think by Bishop
had they roster broke down and all the players that were locks in there positions and he could only find 43 so that leaves ten spots that are open to people we draft. Some will make it from last year but its not like it will be a longshot for someone in the 7th to make the squad
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Being more healthy...
especially at critical positions (safety & guard) will help us be much better. I believe the only playoff team who had more games lost due to injury was Baltimore, but I could be mistaken.
Also, more experience for some of the younger players will also help, quite a bit, not to mention better special teams performance.
Let's hope
…cuz right now, that’s all we’ve got to rely on.
I am guessing that if...
we have Kyle Kosier all season (all else being equal), the Cowboys win 2 more games. And if we have that, much better safety play and special teams play, chances are good the Boys are 13-3 again.
I think that would work, don’t you?
Patriots.
enough said.
I have noticed a new resurgence in Cowboy hating in 2007, which can only mean one thing- We're back.
Here’s the Dallas draft so far:
1. Roy Williams, wr, Texas
2. trade down
3-7 to be determined.
Hey Raf…I enjoy reading your posts but I have to disagree with you on this. First of all, your logic is flawed in that we had to pay RW 9 million a year for the next five years as part of that trade. Whereas if we had not we could have drafted somebody (for arguments sake we can keep it at receiver and say we drafted Hakeem Nicks) and paid him a lot less over the same time frame. Obviously your counter point would be that Roy is twice the receiver that Nicks is/will be over the same time frame but I would disagree.
Secondly, I’m sorry but there were players available at 51 that could have/would have helped us and the bottom line is that when put on the clock we froze like a timid school girl. There is no way you can tell me that a Andy Levitre would not have been a better back-up guard then Cory Proctor next year. There is no way you can tell me that William Moore would not have been better then Patrick Watkins next year. Sean Smith maybe? If we had passed them up for great value I’d understand, but a fourth round pick??!! It just seems as if every year when Jerry has chief responsibility in the draft if there aren’t any SEC players or Texas area players we just have no information on them.
by Beuerleincouldhavebeenbetterthentroy on Apr 25, 2009 10:04 PM CDT reply actions
actually I can
this team ahs picked quite a few olineman in the 2nd and 3rd round who have not panned out.
Your logic on roy is way off. The Giants are going to pay a guy something like 3 million dollars for the 50% chance he turns into a reliable wr in the nfl. The Giants have now spent high draft picks on Steve Smith, Sinorice Moss, Mario Manningham and Nicks. So far, the only one who looks legit is manningham. Would you really NOT trade a 1st round pick for what is much more of a sure thing in roy?
None of the wideouts have done anything
1st round WRs bust at a rate of 50%. Dallas took a sure thing
Let’s wait and see how these guys do before we crucify Dallas for not picking a 2nd rounder.
What 2nd rounder recently has been indispensable? Kevin Burnett? Jacob Rogers? Julius Jones? Anthony Fasano?
You really think the team has no information on players? That this is like some beer league fantasy
pick?
by Rafael Vela on Apr 25, 2009 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Starters
So unless we get surprisingly lucky, from our starting lineup next year we can expect
Romo
Barber/Felix/Choice
Williams/Austin/Crayton
Witten/Youtube idiot
Flozell, Kosier,Gurod, davis, Columbo
Olshansky, Ratliff, Spears
Ware, Spencer/Ellis, Brady, Brookings, Carpenter
Newman, Jenkins, Scandrick
Hamlin, Sensabaugh
Essentially it’s the exact same team that spit the bit last year. A few starters were swapped for essentially equal talent FA’s…oh, and we lost T.O.
Does anyone feel excited about our chances?
Oh by the way,
the Redskins added Haynesworth and Orakpo to their D
the Eagles added a starting Tackle, J.Maclin and a good RB
The Giants added Canty, Nicks, Sintim and will get back Osi.
Bah humbug!!!!!!
Exactly
It’s not trading out of the 2nd round that’s got me upset, it’s seeing the rest of the NFC East get better while we stand pat. I understand that the Cowboys feel there wasn’t value…. this just means that the team that choked last year will just have to play better this year. Cause we’re just drafting special teams players and backups now.
no lineman would start for us
and there was no way we traded to pick 32 to get one of the safeties we wanted.
so one of the guys in the 50-60 range
is going to tip divisional balance of power Dallas’ way?
Wow, that’s one hell of a prospect. Which one is it?
by Rafael Vela on Apr 25, 2009 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Deasean Jackson kinda did it
I use to love to hit, I use to take it serious. I only got one at bat a year, maybe...but, I took it serious. I hit 1.000 one year, if i had another at bat, I'd hit 2.000...
Desean Jackson also had top 10 talent
but had major character issues. If you can point out anyone taken in the second round who fits that bill please point him out.
I'm asking about guys in this year's draft. Who's the guy in that 50-60 range
who could pull Dallas ahead of Philly and New York?
by Rafael Vela on Apr 25, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Roscoe Parrish
I don’t like the idea of spending our first two picks on WR’s… but Parish is better than any of the prospects left in the draft. Also, I would be happier if we could have turned our 2nd into picks for next year.
So your pre-draft prediction was that the Cowboys would trade down?
by Baked Potato Soup on Apr 25, 2009 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions
That was my pre-draft prediction
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2009/4/14/832000/quincyyyyys-highly-anticipated
Note: I didn’t like the players that are rated around our 51st pick, so I traded down to the third round for a future pick, probably a second.
Nice.
But the guy you had them taking as their first pick is gone now, too. Should they trade down again, since the value still isn’t there?
by Baked Potato Soup on Apr 25, 2009 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I projected Sherrod Martin as a third rounder and he was overdrafted
And like I said there is a lot of parity in this draft, so there should be a cornucopia of third rounders tomorrow for us to draft.
Baked Potato Soup
Do you Follow the draft there is still alot of talen available. and if anything he should move his picks up and try and grab who they want or trade for next years picks.
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I was following.
I saw the Cowboys get caught with their pants down at 51, panic and move down for more picks, when even guys that they were projecting as being available for them in the third were being taken. How is it better to take 2 guys you have graded at 6th round talent over maybe reaching for one you graded with 3rd and and still getting 2 guys you had graded at 6th. I mean, they acquired one more pick, a 4th rounder, to move back a round.
by Baked Potato Soup on Apr 25, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm confused what you mean by 6th round talent
could you please elaborate. Why wouldn’t there be third round talent in the third round and 4th round talent in the fourth round when we pick?
There wasn't 2nd round talent in the 2nd.
Guys that they, and you, were interested in them picking in the 3rd have already been picked. Do you just keep moving back until whoever is out there exactly matches their slot on your board?
by Baked Potato Soup on Apr 25, 2009 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions
You don't understand how the draft works (no offense)
There are a lot less players on your board than there are actual picks in the draft. So does that mean we are drafting UFA’s in the 6th and 5th round? Well no. The reason for that is that everyone’s board is different. What one team may view as a second round prospect, we may view as a fourth and vice versa.
Furthermore, believe it or not teams reach all the time because they have need. It seems our draft strategy since last year has been strictly going by our board and take BPA, which is a strategy I prefer. Instead of picking for need (e.g. Bobby Carpenter and Quincy Carter)
I said as much.
LOL. I’ve said that I clearly don’t understand how the draft works. I thought you took the best available player, unless you get a good value trade. That’s clearly not the case.
Now, here’s my point, even with my limited understanding: If there are less quality players than there are picks, why are you acquiring more picks later in the draft? You’re saying the supply is smaller than the demand, so why are we trying to pick more guys instead of getting the best player available, before they are all gone? As noted, guys they expected to be in spots, including where they are picking tomorrow, are flying off the shelf in front of them. Maybe they need to stop worrying so much about value and get some decent players. Continuing to back down the board until you think the value is right doesn’t make sense when the board is supposedly so weak.
If the Cowboys are positioned so sweetly for tomorrow, then why were they not able to use some of their awesome picks to move up in Round 2 and get one of the players they wanted, instead of getting caught with their pants down? Probably because no one else thinks they have any picks of value.
by Baked Potato Soup on Apr 25, 2009 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions
We are not necessarily picking more guys
we will use those extra picks to maneuver and get good value, or we will trade them for future picks. Picking for the sake of picking is dumb.
And maybe the Cowboys have 40 players rated as a third rounder and 12 rated as a second rounder. We don’t know what any of their boards look like. They’ll find good value if they can and if not they’ll trade for future picks.
ok
Were not all scouts we do this for fun we try and predict who gos were and who gets this grade because its something to do in the off season for true fans. So if i say this guy is a 4th round talent and he gets drafted in the seconded obviously someone thought he was better than i did. Does this mean they are wrong? no it means i was everybody just predicts who who gos were thats why i say predict.
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no, but the guys I was hoping for
Delmas, Unger, Robiske, Massaquoi,
were all gone.
Even guys they were thinking about at 69, like McBath, were gone. In that case, you could
pick to pick, or follow your board. Since we all don’t know exactly who was on their board, I’m going to take their word for it.
by Rafael Vela on Apr 25, 2009 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions
What happens if their guys aren't there tomorrow?
by Baked Potato Soup on Apr 25, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions
How can they not be??????? They have a draft board
And on this board is a bunch of players not just the ones they like and it has there value hopefully theres some players right now that have alot of value and we take them tomorrow
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There wasn't anyone today, that's what everyone keeps saying.
And even guys they were thinking about at 69, like McBath, are gone. Following today’s logic, they have to trade back from that pick, too. At what point do they have to stop and draft someone?
by Baked Potato Soup on Apr 25, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Seeing they have 2 of the next 11 i bet youll see somebody drafted around 730 tomorrow morning
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So they won't be reaching when they take those picks?
There are 2 guys tomorrow with the right draft grade at that spot, because the guys that people were predicting they would take at 69 are mostly gone.
by Baked Potato Soup on Apr 25, 2009 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions
why would you assume that?
And guess what, if the talent isn’t there they’ll just trade for future picks. Voila. No biggy.
You want the Cowboys to reach, and that is what will get you into trouble.
I'm not assuming anything.
My post was meant to be a question. What makes everyone sure that the guys they want at those spots will be there, given that many of the people expected to be available at those spots are already gone? I think everyone else is assuming that they can just pick and choose tomorrow, and that there is so much talent available.
The weird thing is that if there was so much meat in the back end of this draft, the Cowboys should have been able to easily move up in round 2 and get one of the guys they like, since they have so many picks that are such a great value, right?
by Baked Potato Soup on Apr 25, 2009 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions
No because we don't know what the boards of other teams look like
and teams draft for need as well. A team may need a CB like hell, and despite the value, they need a starter for next year.
Anyhow, look at my response to your other post above.
I don't think...
there should be “guys they like.” As Rafael mentioned, the scouts don’t treat this like fantasy football. They have a group of players that they will take at certain points in the draft. If those guys are there, they take them. If noone is there that is on their list, they move aside. Each round has a certain # of players they will take. Chances are good that they will have a guy(s) that are there. They will move down if they feel there is comparable value (at a lower price) later, or if there is noone there that is valuable enough (in their opinion).
Understood, but...
As Gmunny said, where is the break even point? At what point, in this draft that everyone keeps saying is so weak in talent, does it become better to actually take someone than to keep acquiring additional picks? If all of the talent is off the board by the end of round 3, what good are 9 more picks? I just don’t see how a 3rd and 4th this year are better than taking the best available player at 51, if the talent is really that weak. I mean, if there weren’t 51 players worth taking in the first 2 rounds, then what kind of player will they get later in the draft?
by Baked Potato Soup on Apr 25, 2009 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions
There are good players available
But you have to maximize your value. Why draft someone like duke robinson at 51 when you can draft him at 69 and get 2 extra picks from it? when you can answer lets talk.
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I didn't say that's who they should draft.
I just don’t see a bunch of back round guys making the team. So, I think you take a guy that is likely to make the team over 2 guys that are not likely to make the team. I find it hard to believe that there were no decent players at 51, or close to a decent value, but there will be 12 players with good value tomorrow.
by Baked Potato Soup on Apr 25, 2009 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions
There are alot of players left
Duke, Jasper brinkley, Mike Thomas, Franz Joesph, McKillop, Hill, Barden, and alot of Dbs who could contribute. and alot of roster spots will be open for the best player to take.
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disregard draft position
everything is based on the scouting grades.
The idea is that they could get an extra 4th by giving up a small amount of value (by their board)by trading down 18 picks.
reaching
at some point, the concept of value drafting becomes moot. Just because you don’t think a player is worth that draft spot, there is a break even point in which it becomes better to take him because he can still help you. Who cares if he’s not wirth his spot if he can contribute. I think the view right now is, OK, there will be some guys who are drafted tomorrow that make the bottom of the roster, but those guys aren’t going to add to 3 more wins next year, or probably in any other year.
Where as, maybe the guys available in the 2nd today weren’t worth their spot, but if they are good enough to help the team improve, I’d rather have them than 6 new guys at the bottom of the roster.
We found a lot of trading partners last year to trade for futures
there are 31 other teams in the league.
And have a ton of picks at the bottom next year instead?
by Baked Potato Soup on Apr 25, 2009 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions
That's not how it works
a future pick is worth a round more. So a 3rd round pick in the present is worth a 2nd round future pick.
so....
why didn’t Jerry just trade our second round pick today for a 1st rounder next year, rather than for 2 potential role player/special teamers this year?
Because you have to be lucky to have that happen
Everette Brown was top 15 talent on most draft boards but feel to reasons i dont know of.. so carolina thought he was worth a first round pick next year same with Alphonso Smith … thats not to common of a thing to see.
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Oh, so you mean
because they couldn’t find a trading parner?
That was my point. to Quincyyyy, who makes it out to seem that because there are 31 other teams, we’ll surely find a trading partner.
If the draft is so weak, we’re not the only ones who know it, so there is just as much likelihood that the later you go in this draft, the less the other teams will value the picks, making them untradeable for next year.
I’m not saying it’s going to happen, I’m just trying to argue the logic. I wanted better quality, not more picks in the lower qaulity ragne – and the presumption that you will be able to trade the lower picks easily is reckless.
its really difficult to judge
depends a lot on a. how we run the ball and b. how roy plays. If roy plays well than the trade was absolutely 100% worth it and we will against be a legit contender in teh east.
The defense was playing flat out elite football for most of december and january. Being that sensi should be an improvement over watkins and davis, i don’t think there is any reason to believe we won’t be overall better in 2009 defensively.
Yeah,
Well I’m in total agreement. I never understood the fascination with this guy. I always thought the "Sean Smith first rounder" talk was crazy and obviously many teams felt the same, hence pick 61.
I dont like those guys
I think there all retarded…. Id pick Raf and Grizz over those dudes anyday.
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Hahaha...
I agree, I don’t listen to those guys either but he means that they said apparently the Cowboys scouts weren’t very interested in Sean Smith. The reporters actually said they liked him! Ouch!
They already have Sean Smith on the roster...
his name is Pat Watkins (a 1st round prospect the Cowboys drafted in the 4th, I think).
Why is it so hard for people
to realize that no one Dallas had a shot at was going to come in and be a day one starter. That includes Delmas and all of the other safeties. We were drafting special teamers/backups regardless. Now we’re just drafting more of them.
Really?
This 9-7 team who got shelacked in it’s last 2 games, has had 3 crappy Decembers in a row and missed the playoffs is so good there was nobody in the top 60 who could have improved them?
Again, this mentatlity that Dallas is soooo good and has soooo much talent is a thought I think that is only pervasive in Cowboy land. Did you hear how much whooping the ESPN team was doing when they thought we passed on our pick? The majority of the league and media thinks our team is a joke, and apart from 1 abarition of a season 2 years ago (which ended in embarassment) it’s hard to argue with that thought.
If the Dallas cowboys are so bad
Why dont you become a New England fan? Nobody is laughing at them.
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Dude.
Why are you questioning someone’s fandom? That guy is mad as hell that, in his opinion, the Cowboys didn’t better themselves. Obviously he’s a fan, or he wouldn’t care. He wants them to get better, and he’s frustrated that they don’t seem to be doing that, as he sees it. So he’s expressing his frustration with his fellow fans. It’s not cool to question his commitment to the team just because he doesn’t blindly agree with every move they make.
by Baked Potato Soup on Apr 25, 2009 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions
so bad
I’m not sure if your comment was to dig at me or compliment the Pats…but I will respond to both thoughts.
1. I’m not going to be a rah-rah guy if I think the Cowboys are screwing up. Just because I’m critical doesn’t mean I’m not a fan. I will root for the Cowboys until I die…but I won’t blindly assume everything they do is the best decision.
2. My comment about other teams and media thinking we are a joke is not because I care so much ab out what they think, but more to show that we here in Cowboy-land are looking through blue colored glasses – which is not healthy.
3. I would trade the Cowboy’s past 10 years for the Pats last 10 in a heartbeat…but I can’t, I’m a Cowboy fan.
So in your eyes if they cowboys dont have a blockbuster trade there not any good????
Why even have a 7 round draft lets just pick the best 32 players and each team gets one because there is nobody worth taking after the first….
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huh?
I don’t understand where that comment came from.
I think if the draft is considered weak, why amass picks in the lower half?
I think if a team goes 9-7 and falls on it’s face as much as the Cowboys do, it’s delusional to think you are soooo good, you can’t find a starter or solid contributor in the first 2 rounds.
you jsut ignored all the positive things this team does/has achieved.
do you honestly care what ESPN thinks? ESPN will have you believe the giants are amodel franchise. I hate to break it to them, but outside its 1 superbowl, the giants have exited the playoffs and played badly in december for the last 5 years. We consistently beat them along the lines, and we probably were a couple easy catches and jacque reeves coverages away from winning that playoff game as easily as the first two.
ESPN Bunch Of A-Holes
I know that a lot of fans feel like there’s a media bias against their team but when it comes to ESPN and the Cowboys it’s undenialble. What really bothers me is when guys like Shaun King and Tim hasselbeck, guys who were scrubs take a condescending tone when talking about the Cowboys. Like any of these clowns knows what it takes to win in the NFL.
It has become a case of group think with those guys from Cris Carter, Tom Jackson on down to the previously mentioned scrubs. Every opinion they offer on the Cowboys typically begins with a smirk and a smart ass comment about the team or Jerry Jones.
I agree completely...
I HATE the ani Cowboy biased. HATE it. But, unfortunately, i’ts hard to argue. Our team’s track record over the last 13 years is pretty sad. Even when the Cowboys got terrible in the 80’s, it only lasted about 5 or 6 years.
likewise
just because philly beat a pathetic minny team and hte giants without plax does NOT mean they will be great this upcoming year.
The Eagles have been absolutely average the last 5 or so years, but every year they are touted as one of the best teams in the league.
People dont realize
When you start to do stupid things and reach for players is when you get hurt. The Raiders arent going to be above 500 in years because of Al Davis’s drafts.. The Broncos will have double didget losses becasue there coach didnt stick to the board and play it safe.
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reaching for players is bad
but what really kills teams imo is trading away first round picks for vets. God knows how good this division would be if washington was run by better management.
I don't think...
it is the trades, themselves, that made the Redskins moves garbage. It is saddling the team with huge free-agent contracts that have caused the real problems. It also helps that Dan Snyder plays fantasy football with a $100 million budget.
well
that too.
But they generally don’t have many first day draft picks. The combination of the too has led them to years of mediocrity, where they’ve essentialyl wasted portis’ and moss’ prime.
The past is the past
who cares about what our rivals have done in years past.
We haven’t done jack either…and in the future, they appear to be improving while we appear to be running in place.
BSPN Sux
BSPN
The Terdwide Feeder of Sh_t
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YOU Decide...
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by silverblue5 on Apr 26, 2009 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Talent has never been this team's problem.
It’s gumption.
by Mandmeisterx on Apr 26, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions
this was easy to see coming
piss poor draft, especially at the top…trading out of the 2nd instead of reaching for a player was very smart. I’m still thinking that Jerry will trade a lot of tomorrow picks for next year’s picks…
I use to love to hit, I use to take it serious. I only got one at bat a year, maybe...but, I took it serious. I hit 1.000 one year, if i had another at bat, I'd hit 2.000...
It'll be nice to have a ton of 6th and 7ths next year.
by Baked Potato Soup on Apr 25, 2009 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions
We could have 20 picks in those two rounds
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Apr 25, 2009 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I want Mike Thomas Tomorrow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He will Be our Future Slot WR and contribute to Special teams He would be a solid pickup at 75
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I don't Understand Trading Down
General consensus was that we would package some of our picks and move up. There were quality safetys still on the board in the second rd.They should have traded up we already have more picks than could possibly make the team. We need quality not quantity.
What really sucks is that the freaking eagles had a good day.
Perception
What really sucks is that the freaking eagles had a good day.
In 2006 their draft reviews received As and A+s as consensus, 3 years later the only above average player that they landed is Bunkley and he isn’t a great DT.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
I Like Maclin and McCoy
Both those guys will make plays.
I dont Believe he made them better
They didnt need another Speed Reciever now they have 3 idenical recievers
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Yap
Pettigrew would of made them so much better than maclin could.. we should be happy
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Please Don't Make Me Defend The Eagles
We had trouble matching up with the Eagles last year when there only real receiving threat was Desean Jackson. They’ve gotten stronger at a position that counters a position we’ve gotten weaker in our secondary and more specifically the safety spot.
I hope like hell that Sensabaugh has a great year but we need depth and insurance in case he doesn’t pan out.
Philly is going after Denver's Tony Scheffler, who doesn't fit McDaniels' scheme on O
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by silverblue5 on Apr 26, 2009 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions
philly
is going after everybody and apparently getting little accomplished. Unless you want to call giving up a boatload for Peters and giving him an insanely rich contract that will make the rest of their team jealous a good move.
i truly hope you're right
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At first, I was really disappointed with the trade down
but I’m over it. Ultimately, as Cowboys fans we should know (better than most fans) that capable players – even starting caliber players – are obtained in the rounds where we have multiple picks. Witten, Barber, Choice, Scandrick, Ratliff, Bradie James, Romo, Hurd, Miles…all these players were obtained in the 3rd round or later (and some were even undrafted). Every year, on every team there are players that get picked outside of the first two rounds and end up being fantastic. Why can’t we have another draft where this happens for us.
Also, all this “second day picks” talk is kind of off base. Last year was the first year where the 3rd round moved to the second day of the draft. So, technically, if this was two years ago we’d have multiple first day picks left. I don’t really see the distinction…
I think my biggest problem
is that I don’t think we got value for our 2nd round pick. I think we got caught thinking we were going to get the Georgia WR and didn’t have a contingency plan when he wasn’t there. Then we didn’t like where we were and had to take the best offer. Whereas if we would’ve been working the phones as if Massequoi wasn’t going to be there we might have been able to get better value in the trade. But O well, there is some talent left so here’s hoping we can get 2-3 guys who can contribute next year.
this is my only complaint
I think we were poorly prepared and we could’ve gotten more
According to DMN
Jerry said there was one player with a 1 round grade (LeSean McCoy) and four or five players with a second round grade available when they traded their pick. So much for sticking to the BPA model.
well we obviously weren't going rb
but that news is surprising to me. don’t really understand jerry’s logic then.
why not
take McCoy and trade his rights. If you don’t get good value, let him star in the preseason and trade him. If we were going to trade the pick anyway, why not get someone who has first round potential and trade him? Even if he’s on the practice squad for a year, do you think a team (like the Eagles) may have given a second or third for him next year? Isn’t that better value than what we got?
There is more that goes into than that
before the draft the scouts evaluate all the players on your roster, so then you look for players in the draft who would rate higher than your current players, so they could make the roster and contribute.
Like Lesean McCoy. he would not have seen the field or even make the roster because of who would be ahead of him. Likewise, maybe there were TE’s at that spot. We don’t know who was there. Jerry wants to find contributors and players that can make the team. Otherwise what is the point in picking them.
And you are paying him more than Tashard Choice...
that wouldn’t exactly be harmonious in the locker room.
I am sure none of us care...
how much we get paid relative to our coworkers, as long as we have a job right? It wouldn’t bruise anyone’s ego if your d-bag co-worker who is on facebook all day long gets paid more than you, right?
Beating the stawmen
I understand fans being disapointed that the team has not added any major free agents and that they traded down in the second. The primise that this team already has what it needs to make a run is not shared by many.
What I do not get it is the use of strawman arguements to explain why that management does not know what they are doing. Multiple post made references to trading down for 6th round picks who are not even likely to make the team.
They traded for 3&4 picks. With rare exception, players picked in those rounds make the teams. Players picked in those rounds have about 70% the chance of player picked in the second to become starters, make probowls, etc. It sucks that the players they wanted were off the board they could not find a team will to overpay for 51, but that does not make trading down stupid.
Should Have Traded Up
I don’t have a problem with trading down when your board has been essentially wiped out. But, they should have traded up before the board was picked clean. Next year at this time will be hoping again that they address the safety position.
safety wasn't much of an option
cause trading up to the very beginning of the second wasn’t exactly practical
Exactly
and, the talent in the top half of the third is nearly identical to the talent near the 51st pick.
save for my dear Sean Smith…
Look fellas, it's time to chill, alright?
The draft takes usually one to three years to see the results. This draft is a weak one at best. Our 1st round pick went to Roy Williams, and I’ll take him over Crabtree or any other WR in this years draft, period. Look at the 49ers draft, they took Crabtree at #10, they don’t have a second and pick just before us in the third. They are very excited to get Crabtree. Great, I’d stil rather take RW, an accomplished WR that is seasoned to have a good year. WR’s take time and a lot of them bust. Buck up men, it’s just the 2nd round. We have two 3rds and three 4th rounders and three 5th rounders. Dallas needs backups, not starters. Even at FS and ILB. They wouldn’t start. We can get good ILB and grab a few S’s and CB’s in the middle rounds to groom. Our team is stacked, we just need depth. Heck, we have 12 picks. They only need to hit on 4-5 of them.
by torchindefenses on Apr 25, 2009 11:31 PM CDT reply actions
Still not sure
Why we couldn’t have signed Roy Williams as a free agent and kept three draft picks. Those 19 catches last year came at a dear price.
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Apr 25, 2009 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions
+1 Id like to hit on some ILB
I still want Jasper Brinkley and Nick Reed and Mike Thomas.
I thank God everyday i wasnt born a Eagles fan!!!!!!
This has to be said....
I hope the Giants and Patriots IMPLODE!!!!!! To h#%% with them!
by torchindefenses on Apr 25, 2009 11:33 PM CDT reply actions
co-sign
Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/
by silverblue5 on Apr 26, 2009 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions
geez guys, go to bed!
We have a long day tomorrow.
Prediction for our first pick: Lawrence Sidbury
and for the second pick: Rashard Johnson
Hey Raf
Thanks.
It was a disappointing day, and I understand the frustration that a lot of us have, but I feel better about things after following your posts. I appreciate the hard work.
Trust Jerry...
…after all we don’t have much of a choice.
Choice and Scandrick both enhanced the team, so the second day isn’t a complete waste of time.
My fingers are still crossed...
…for Duke Robinson
0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.
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