Cowboys Draft 2009: Day Two Strategies
by Dave Halprin on Apr 26, 2009 12:00 AM CDT
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PrintI won't lie to you, that was a letdown. Partly, that's the fan in me who dedicated most of a Saturday waiting around for one climactic moment, and ended up with an IOU note redeemable on day two. Grrr. OK, now that I'm past the fan part of me, what about what happened in terms of the team, what did they accomplish by trading out of the second round?
You'd think there had to be a few players on the board that they liked at #51. Then again, I guess not, considering they didn't pick anybody and traded down. So here we are. With 12 picks on the second day.
Instead of trying to get into the reasons behind the trade down, let's get into the possible strategies for using their 12 picks on day two.
Memo: Day Two Strategies
Strategy #1:
Code Name: There's always next year.
Assumption: The Cowboys don't really want to draft 12 players tomorrow.
Operational Plan: Trade 3-5 picks from this year, for picks in next year's draft. Bring 7-9 draft picks into camp.
Reasoning: This draft crop stinks.
Strategy #2:
Code Name: We own it, bitches.
Assumption: The Cowboys don't really want to draft 12 players tomorrow, but want to grab as much quality as possible.
Operational Plan: Trade up to jump into the third and fourth rounds as much as possible. The Cowboys want to own rounds 3-4 and grab 6-8 guys of the best quality on day two.
Reasoning: Limits the number of rookies and takes advantage of the fact that this draft is weighted to the middle rounds in terms of cost vs. quality.
Strategy #3:
Code Name: Death Match
Assumption: The Cowboys plan to utilize most of their picks tomorrow.
Operational Plan: As the draft board comes to them on Sunday, they make their picks.
Reasoning: The Cowboys believe the bottom of their roster needs to be churned and will hold a battle royal - rooks vs. unproductive veterans - for the final roster spots. They want to have a lot of options at training camp.
Strategy #4:
Code Name: Safety First
Assumption: The Cowboys draft 12 safeties tomorrow.
Operational Plan: See above.
Reasoning: Jerry wants to out-crazy Al Davis.
What do you think? Got another strategy?
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Strategy 2 all the way
Interesting prospects:
Jamon Meredith, T/G
Robert Brewster, T/G
TJ Lang, G/C
Duke Robinson, G
Juaquin Iglesias, WR
Louis Murphy, WR
Stephen McGee, QB
Rashad Johnson, FS
Chris Clemons, FS
Kevin Barnes, CB/FS/StarDB
Bradley Fletcher, CB/FS/StarDB
Gregory Toler, CB/FS/StarDB
Jason Williams, ILB
Marcus Freeman, ILB
Jasper Brinkley, ILB
Gerald McRath, ILB
Lawrence Sidbury, OLB
Brandon Williams, OLB
Dorell Scott, NT
Roy Miller, NT
Chris Baker, NT
Taking 3 of these guys in the 3rd Round would make the guys in danger of jumping off bridges forget about yesterday.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
The Quantity Approach
The Cowboys keep trading down and own the entire seventh round – this year and next.
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Apr 26, 2009 12:13 AM CDT reply actions
This actually has some validity when you consider the number of UDFAs in the pro bowl
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I'll tune in tomorrow. I didn't today as I had a little job to do,
but it looks like I didn’t miss anything. Thanks for the posts. See ya tomorow.
Family, Friends, Cowboys, Beer & BBQ. Life is good!
We can say "bitches"?
Hell yes.
I’m crossing my fingers and hoping we go for strategy #2, bitches. ;)
Epic Fail since 1985
why the msm will never touch BTB ... not only can BTB say it... they provide the occasional video
Tar Heels = National Champs in Basketball ... top 5 in Baseball ... Top 10 this year in Football?
Code Name: Own the 7th
Keep trading down until we have all the picks in the 7th round. Each year there are one or two gems this late in the draft. We’ll make sure we get any value in the 7th.
Plagiarist
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Apr 26, 2009 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions
well your theory is flawed
we can`t get the compensatory picks in rd 7…can anyone explain the 51 pick trade to the Bills for 75 and 110? do we get a pick next yr in that trade or is that it? I thought Jerry was a big fan of the point value chart for draft picks. 51 = 390 points / 75= 215 110 =74 so the trade is 390 points for 289 points the difference is 101 points which would be and early 4th rd`er.
that might be the equivelent
but you have to have a partner to dance. and if thats what they got, thats all you can get, unless you wanted them to throw in more lower round picks or a future low round pick.
its not that bad of a deal. the economics of the uncapped year really are a bear and the lower round ammo allows jerrah to move a round a little bit to get the players they want in the spots they want them. the boys have been very good at selecting in the 3rd/4th/5th rounds recently and the extra flexibility should enable them to maximize their scouts findings.
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
Well look at the situation, dallas wanted to trade down, so why would the bills or any other
team want to over pay for a spot they were not interested in? The boys wanted out of the 2nd round, the bills were not calling to get into the 2nd, but were willing to do so if it cost them a little less. So yes, dallas did not get equal value but they did not have the leverage to swing an even trade, does that make more sense.
You can debate the point that dallas should have made a pick instead of trading out, but the fact that they wanted to trade out limited their negotiating power especially if the teams they were contacting were not eager to enter the 2nd round.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
This trade
combined with the Lions rejecting the Chief’s #3 for #20/#33 swap, gives evidence that the old trade chart values are out of whack with the current market. Or maybe this is just an anomaly year, with a weak draft and uncertain financial variables out there.
I'm hoping for da 2nd one.
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middle ground of one and two
trade up a twice and try to get two future picks. hopefully a 2nd and a 4th or a third and a fourth.
end up with about 6 or 7 picks total and get out of the 7th and 6th rounds as much as possible
+1000
move a few picks up, move a few down. Get some good players while getting some good picks
by nicholas.rodriguez on Apr 26, 2009 1:04 AM CDT up reply actions
I was gone all day
and just got home eager to find out who we picked at 51 and/or whether Jerry moved up, only to find that we didn’t draft a single player on day 1! oh well. i can imagine that was pretty anti-climactic if you were watching all day lol.
my guess is the strategy will end up being a combo of #! and #2. I think they’ll do plenty of wheeling and dealing to get the picks they want where they think there’s good value, but that could include dealing some for next year’s picks.
I like we own it bitchs and i hope thats what they do?
I thank God everyday i wasnt born a Eagles fan!!!!!!
what has happened to duke robinson
last year we were talking about him being a dominant player for the next ten years and many of us would have jumped at him with the 22nd pick. now he barely makes gosselin’s top 100
Actually, I just don't like him.
I’ll paraphrase and I’ll leave it as: “I think that he’s the wrong type of OLineman for our team”. Which in the end means: I just don’t like him.
The guy is a legit prospect, can dominate in the run and passing game but he’s inconsistent and I’ve seen the worst red flag that can be placed on an OLineman due to his inconsistency, “at times he makes me think that he has white gloves, but then, wham!, he sends a DT 5 steps backwards with a mean push”.
Do we need another inconsistent OLineman? Flozell, Gurode and Davis at times make me want to yell at the TV… They have all the talent, strength and technique to really dominate, and they do, from time to time… I don’t want a 4th guy…
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
Your #3 got me thinking
Last year the scouts proved their mettle and hit on a lot of quality players at lower rounds. I expect that scouts grade themselves by looking back to last years crop to improve upon their ability going forward. Now imagine Jerry looking back to those who were NOT drafted by Dallas but had nice grades by the scouts AND actually played well for their respective teams. That would just add to his confidence in the scouts.
So why wouldn’t Jerry be brimming with confidence in his scouting department and almost kicking himself for not drafting more of those players last year at those lower rounds. Factor in this years cap ramifications at the high picks, why not trade down and just throw a lot of chips on the table at those lower rounds? Can we just imagine 8 or 10 like we got last year? Jerry was an oil prospector, so imagine if you dug 6 wells and hit oil 5 times, wouldn’t you wish you had dug 12 wells?
Scandrick, Ratliff and Choice OH MY
Churn
“Reasoning: The Cowboys believe the bottom of their roster needs to be churned and will hold a battle royal – rooks vs. unproductive veterans – for the final roster spots. They want to have a lot of options at training camp.”
by StarMaterial on Apr 26, 2009 1:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Recall how the Skins Nailed a Pick in the Seventh?
I think you are on to something; and I think the Cowboys do want to churn the roster mostly to help special teams and to get younger / meaner / more physical. Finally, we will move up and into next year so we end up with about seven picks this year, and a couple of new picks into next year.
#2
try to package some of those 5ths, 6ths and 7ths to move up into those 3rd and 4th rounds.
Dallas wanted
WR Masseqoui (as I thought).I heard they almost trades up with Houston to get him in round 2. I thought NE did well. I bet ole Jerry trades 3-4 times later today – it will be fun to watch. Keep your eye on the WR from Ole Miss.
Or maybe...
Strategy #5:
Code Name: The Longest Snap (bitches)
Assumption: Stephen’s straitjacket joke wasn’t a joke….Jerry now spends his free time making TO statues out of his poo
Operational Plan: Draft 12 longsnappers tomorrow
Reasoning: If Stephen can just get Al Davis to publicly call Jerry crazy…no one will question him when he has Jerry locked up for some “rest”…and he can finally take over the team. If Crazy Al calls someone crazy…you know they are in BAD shape….the plan is foolproof! (Wade will not be allowed in the war room…just in case)
lmfao
That was absolutely priceless.
<3
Epic Fail since 1985
by the red scare on Apr 26, 2009 1:29 AM CDT up reply actions
I think...
Perhaps some of us overreacted a bit today, myself included.
For now I will trust that the scouts said we would be better off trading down and waiting until tomorrow. With his new found faith in his scouting dept. Jerry listened….and our draft will turn out fine. They did pretty damn good last year….so I will hold judgement until the end of Round 7….
If we haven’t picked anyone by then…please see post above…lol
agreed
hopefully we make some moves tommorrow and get a couple more midrounders and fill some holes. It appears we had a great draft last year, even Bennet who we all thought was a suspect pick at the time, so ill give this scouting department the benefit of the doubt for now.
Also, what about 1975? The Dirty Dozen?
Maybe we guarenteed a trip to the SB next year, if all 12 make the team?
(But don’t lose to Pittsburgh)
Great Job Jerry!
You never cease to amaze. You were classic yesterday an I praise your consistency. I’m ready for another stellar draft and stellar season.
If the Cowboys could only play like a team with passion and unity like my beloved
Boston Celtics, I would be happy.
by Captain Comeback on Apr 26, 2009 6:11 AM CDT reply actions
Yesterday
Was like waiting up the night before Xmas, and then when morning came, running to open your present under the tree…just to find an empty box.
Everything's looking up, Milhouse!
by accidental innuendo on Apr 26, 2009 6:23 AM CDT reply actions
I think the Raiders strategy has merit
Its a great money-saver – spend $20 on a good stop watch and you can fire your whole scouting department . Then you use the savings the overpay your players so much you wreck the pay-scales for everyone else.
Big Al has got it figured out…
"Where's Woody? - We need another Darren Woodson
Jerry pulls the same joke every year.... and we fall for it.....every year.
It’s like Lucy telling Charlie Brown she’s going to be the holder for him. We’re all fools.
Ugh.
If the Cowboys could only play like a team with passion and unity like my beloved
Boston Celtics, I would be happy.
by Captain Comeback on Apr 26, 2009 6:37 AM CDT reply actions
From a previous thread
I disagree that anyone we could have had at 51 would not have been able to help us immediately, especially at an impact position like Safety where W. Moore and S. Smith were available. Who’s to say that they would not be able to contribute right off the bat?
That said, there is still lots of value to be had in the later rounds, and we have had decent luck picking there. I expect us to sit and pick in the third and fourth. Maybe we’ll move around in the fifth and sixth.
Everything's looking up, Milhouse!
by accidental innuendo on Apr 26, 2009 6:45 AM CDT reply actions
Without a top 50 pick, the scouting department spent 2 months focussed on middle-round guys
With this draft a bit weak, it makes sense to try and go for quantity over quality, and let the cream rise in training camp. I like this strategy. Many coaches, including BP, talk about training camp battles being great for the team. Imagine more than a dozen legit battles!
The scouting department feels like there are enough guys in the later rounds to justify waiting. I like it. You get GREAT salary cap value for many years, and a little roster churn might be just what this team needs!
(and, by the way, my “none of the above” prediction yesterday morning? LOL it was based ONLY on the stat that mocks are so far off after the first 15-20 picks… but, I did happen to get it right!)
Tar Heels = National Champs in Basketball ... top 5 in Baseball ... Top 10 this year in Football?
can you guys not sleep either?
It’s not even 5 a.m. here and I’m already up and waiting to get this thing rollin.
No kidding
At least we HAVE to pick today
Everything's looking up, Milhouse!
by accidental innuendo on Apr 26, 2009 6:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Can't say as I'm up early (it's 7pm in Thailand) ... but it does feel like Christmas morning!
Here’s something to tide you over:
Tar Heels = National Champs in Basketball ... top 5 in Baseball ... Top 10 this year in Football?
too easy my friend, too easy
but why settle for one when a short flight offers countless?
Tar Heels = National Champs in Basketball ... top 5 in Baseball ... Top 10 this year in Football?
Churn
It was too bad an impact player did not fall into their lap. Maybe they can still find a future starter or two if they bring in all of their draft choices. This is another chance to change the chemistry of the team. The T.O. lovers like Hurd, Ellis, etc can now be replaced with guys that do not have that negative attitude. Borderline (just a guy) players can be replaced with smart, tough, fresh positive attitudes.
Hurd
has a negative attitude?
Better yet, Hurd isn’t a guy with a smart, tough, fresh positive attitude?
Hurd
spoke out and took T.O. over the owner and coaching decision to let him go. Without being in the locker room we can not know who is the “team” player or “individual” unless they give their opionion. Hurd gave his support to T.O.
So did Ellis and many others. Jerry can’t nor should he run off all of these guys. But those on the borderline can be replaced.
Hurd and many like him could be replaced with smart, tough, fresh positive attitudes. Something went wrong at the end of the year and the last game. The players did not play. We don’t know for sure who these guys are but I hope Jerry does.
I actually work with a reltive of Hurd. I hear only positive things about his attitude. But you have to admit that he is a “just a guy”.
of course Hurd stuck up for T.O.
He was a great mentor for Hurd and probably wouldn’t be the receiver he is without T.O.’s presence. Hurd is a class act, jeez..
Here are some seldom mentioned names we should give real consideration to:
There are a few players who have slipped due to combine and senior bowl performances or not having the “stats” – but are guys who are performers on the field – and may bring something we currently lack.
Derek Pegues S – Bob Sanders mark 2. He is short but instinctive an a playmaker / ballhawk. “rarely drops an interception” – now wouldn’t that be refreshing…
Andre Caldwell C – strong, quick and smart. Is versatile – can backup at G as well. Everyone happy with our current back up at C??
Louis Vasquez G – Is Tough – meets our new blue collar draft criteria. “Does a good job of communicating and working with other linemen to switch off and handle stunts” – that would be really nice too…
DJ Moore, CB – again short, but a top cover corner.
Austin Collie, WR – superb top-end speed, agility and body control, and he plays the game fast. A “quick twitch” receiver fits the need.
"Where's Woody? - We need another Darren Woodson
I don't know about you guys, but I'm excited about today..
I see a lot of talent still on the board, and we’re gonna be making a pick about every 20 minutes.
We’re about to dominate.
Jerry Jones could go in his sock, slap you wit a stack of hundreds, then catch you again on the backswing wit 3 Super Bowl rings. So who the hell are you makin' fun of?
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Apr 26, 2009 7:41 AM CDT reply actions
bout time...
there was some optimism around here.
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
how about the Damn my wallet is empty this year strategy?
I really believe they are really financially motivated this year with the new stadium and all, anyway, I’m even less excited about this draft and I didn’t think that was possible. now in 3 years he could be looking like a genius , but seems like we lost ground in an already tightly match division!
hopefully you won't be thinking that in a few hours...
after the Cowboys steal several talented guys for bargain lower-round prices
Tar Heels = National Champs in Basketball ... top 5 in Baseball ... Top 10 this year in Football?
Strategy #5
Code Name: Bankrupt
Assumption: The “burn rate” on Jerry World is far worse than he’s letting on.
Operational Plan: Cut, cut, cut expenses. T.O. saved 8 mil. Maybe 3 or 4 low round
rookies make the team. Signing them will be cheap.
Reasoning: If there’s a lockout in a year or two, no force majeure clause is
going to save Jerry from going broke
this might be closer to the truth than anyone cares to admit!
With the way the economy is imploding, it is crazy how sports salaries have maintained. Look at the Yankees… with NYCity in a major financial mess – not just Wall Street, but 70,000 high salaries suddenly out of work in that area – how can they justify throwing HUNDREDS of millions at a few players?
Tar Heels = National Champs in Basketball ... top 5 in Baseball ... Top 10 this year in Football?
?
The TO cutting cost JJ money, not saved it
Red and Black!! Red and Black!! Red and Black!! Congrats boys first time in team history over .500
by aussie_cowboy on Apr 26, 2009 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions
I've been saying this all offseason:
The only reason they didn’t fire the coaching staff was because they couldn’t afford to eat the salaries.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
Can you guys believe the Raiders?
Reach for Heyward-Bey (passing on Crabtree) in round one. And then take an undrafted free agent in the second?
Yeah, we can stop with the Jerry/Al Davis comparisions.
That dude is nuts like squirrel s@#!
Jerry Jones could go in his sock, slap you wit a stack of hundreds, then catch you again on the backswing wit 3 Super Bowl rings. So who the hell are you makin' fun of?
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Apr 26, 2009 8:22 AM CDT reply actions
agreed
Red and Black!! Red and Black!! Red and Black!! Congrats boys first time in team history over .500
by aussie_cowboy on Apr 26, 2009 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions
i get the feeling we are going to have a ton of picks in next years draft
alot of moves today will be for 2010
the draft process isn't rocket science
and it amazes me that some fans don’t understand it. Teams have certain numbers of players rated for each rd and if those players aren’t available in any given round, they trade out and don’t pick, its that simple.
If the Cowboys have players with 3rd and 4th rd grades available in those rds they will pick them, again, not rocket science.
In Romo we Trust
What happens when they are all gone?
Do you just never pick? We were 3 picks away from Unger with waaay too many late round picks. How about trading up for him? There were players taken in the 2nd after our spot that the consensus felt were better than we will get in the 3rd.
by JimmyJohnson on Apr 26, 2009 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions
terry i agree
but the facts are the roy williams trade handucffed dallas from really making moves in day 1…Roy williams is the key to this years draft….He better step up and be that force to make giving away a 1 and a 3rd pick look like a good move
I only have a couple questions about are 1st 2 pick
What? Who? Why?
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