Dallas Cowboys 2009 Draft (Day 2): Open Thread
by Dave Halprin on Apr 26, 2009 8:38 AM CDT
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Print[UPDATE]: With the 75th pick, the Dallas Cowboys select: Robert Brewster, T/G, Ball State
NFL Draft Countdown on Robert Brewster.
[UPDATE]: With the 69th pick, the Dallas Cowboys select: Jason Williams, LB, Western Illinois
NFL Draft Countdown on Jason Williams.
OK, today should provide a little more excitement than day one. I guarantee you, there will be a Cowboys pick at some point today. And we'll be here to cover it.
Actually, I am getting pretty pumped. We pick early and often today.
SB Nation's Mocking The Draft is covering the draft in detail. Spend some time over there.
Our picks today, I think:
Round 3: #5 and #11
Round 4: #1, #10 and #17
Round 5: #20, #30 and #36
Round 6: #24 and #35
Round 7: #1 and #18
Who you got for our first pick in the 2009 draft?
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roy williams....
that trade handcuffed us yeaterday he better be a force next year thats all i got to say…I will be riding him all year if he does not produce like a big time wr…
I was very happy with what the Cowboys did yesterday
This draft has a creamy middle and now we are in a very commanding position. I had us trading down in my own mock draft. I am very excited to see what Tom, Jerry, and Steven have in store for us today.
Good morning guys
Yesterday was a little disappointing, but hopefully Trader Jerry will pick up a couple more mid round picks and provide some quality depth.
I still can’t believe they passed on Sean Smith though, maybe that will put the Hamlin to SS talk to rest.
Via DMN (below)
The player the Cowboys coveted with the 51st pick was Oregon center Max Unger.
Once Unger was picked two spots earlier by Seattle with a trade up with Chicago, the Cowboys decided to punt on the second round. They did not seriously entertain the thought of moving back into the round either.
According to Jerry Jones, Unger was a player that could come in immediately and compete for playing time. They loved his versatility – he was an all-Pac 10 pick at tackle and center.
Jones said the Cowboys had one player with a first-round grade on their board at No. 51 (Pitt running back LeSean McCoy) and four or five players with second round grades when they moved out
Rashad Johnson...I agree!!
Just please, please not Casey!!!
by Beuerleincouldhavebeenbetterthentroy on Apr 26, 2009 9:00 AM CDT reply actions
I've actually kind of soured on him a little
but getting him the third round is great value, so I would be happy.
If Michael Johnson is there at 101 I think we should take him
you usually take the boom bust prospect with that pick (first pick in the fourth round) normally, and Michael Johnson would fit that bill. And we would get great value; Draft Tek’s consensus big board had him rated as number 39. I think he would be a terror on third downs.
Help...
It would be much appreciated if someone could tell me exactly how long until the Draft starts please.
I definitely think disappointed was the word for yesterday.
The Democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson
I'm surprised Wade is up this early.
by Beuerleincouldhavebeenbetterthentroy on Apr 26, 2009 9:03 AM CDT reply actions
Kindablue...draft starts now.
by Beuerleincouldhavebeenbetterthentroy on Apr 26, 2009 9:04 AM CDT reply actions
wow
how in the hell are you guys happy or supportive about what happened yesterday? thats rediculous to me.. We blew monkey balls last season, especially towards the end.. you guys dont think for one second that a second round talent wouldnt have helped us climb a little bit out of that hole???
instead were getting MORE guys with LESS talent, when we already had tons of second day picks to begin with.. i have always been a jerry supporter but this is definatly a downer for me with him, although i highly doubt he cares about my opinoin.
all im saying is that this team is NOT good enough to be trading second round picks for third a fourths.. just stupid in my eyes
Maybe you missed it...
But half our team got hurt last year…
If we even do nothing more than just stay healthy this year, we win at least 2 more games.
War Room
thx
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 26, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions
The Jets Can't Convert to 3-4
They’ve been playing it already under Mangini for a few years. Rex Ryan is their new coach, and he’s known for coaching 4-3 defenses.
+1
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 26, 2009 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions
value......and who's playing opposite Jackson "???
I think Gilbert will be better than Jackson….btw..
rashad
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 26, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions
have a piece later
seattle wanted mack but traded down cause denver offered them next year’s #1 for their number 2.
they found a trade partner to get back in cause chicago wanted Robiske and bailed when Cleveland took him.
KC's gonna take Gilbert
Jerry Jones could go in his sock, slap you wit a stack of hundreds, then catch you again on the backswing wit 3 Super Bowl rings. So who the hell are you makin' fun of?
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Apr 26, 2009 9:18 AM CDT reply actions
KC could impact Dallas' plans cause they run 3-4
Chicago is a good bet to nab Iglesias cause they’re looking hard for WRs
gilbert
Jerry Jones could go in his sock, slap you wit a stack of hundreds, then catch you again on the backswing wit 3 Super Bowl rings. So who the hell are you makin' fun of?
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Apr 26, 2009 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions
None of you would rather have R. Johnson as opposed to Gilbert?
Safety is a bigger need then defensive end and Kiper is the only one who ranks Gilbert highly.
by Beuerleincouldhavebeenbetterthentroy on Apr 26, 2009 9:19 AM CDT reply actions
maybe chicago will pass
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
Ha
I was just getting ready to post about him. I think he’d drop to at least to 75, but I would love to have him after we take Sidbury.
Sidbury please
Jerry Jones could go in his sock, slap you wit a stack of hundreds, then catch you again on the backswing wit 3 Super Bowl rings. So who the hell are you makin' fun of?
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Apr 26, 2009 9:24 AM CDT reply actions
here we go....
OL-Duke Robinson
OL- James Meredith
OL- Andre Caldwell
OL- Kropog
WR- Ramses Barden
WR- Derrick Williams
WR- Mike Thomas
WR- Iglesias
WR- Mike Wallace
CB/FS- Victor Harris
CB- DJ Moore
CB- Kevin Barnes
FS- Rashad Johnson
ILB- Marcus Freeman
ILB- Jasper Brinkley
ILB- Jason Williams
ILB- Tyrone McKenzie
ILB- Scott McKillop
OLB- Lawrence Sidbury
OLB- Kruger
DE- Jarron Gilbert
DL- Dorrel Scott
DL- Fred Miller
How are we on the clock if we don't know who Chicago has taken?
by Beuerleincouldhavebeenbetterthentroy on Apr 26, 2009 9:24 AM CDT reply actions
dammit chicago!
'he nails an open three from the corner....just like you and me, this one was made by penetration' - Truthaboutit - Round 1 Game 5 Recap
Damn it damn it
Who now, Rashad Johnson?
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come on sidbury
Jerry Jones could go in his sock, slap you wit a stack of hundreds, then catch you again on the backswing wit 3 Super Bowl rings. So who the hell are you makin' fun of?
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Apr 26, 2009 9:26 AM CDT reply actions
quincy carter
'he nails an open three from the corner....just like you and me, this one was made by penetration' - Truthaboutit - Round 1 Game 5 Recap
Crap
Crapcrapcrap. WTF.
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New England is sitting at 9
you can’t say that
Who is Jason Williams?
Why not Sidbury or the Pothead WR?
UFA
I use to love to hit, I use to take it serious. I only got one at bat a year, maybe...but, I took it serious. I hit 1.000 one year, if i had another at bat, I'd hit 2.000...
No way UFA
He’s been in top 100s for the last month
according to whom?
I use to love to hit, I use to take it serious. I only got one at bat a year, maybe...but, I took it serious. I hit 1.000 one year, if i had another at bat, I'd hit 2.000...
Dallas gave him a 3rd round grade
84 is his composite score, which is mid 3rd. some teams had him a little higher,
some a little lower.
It’s a good pick.
real, war rooms
He’s in Gosselin’s top 100, which is a compilation of war room rankings.
of the LB prospects this round
he’s the guy I liked the best,
and with New England sitting at 9 they couldn’t risk having another
desired prospect snatched right before their eyes.
next up, Lawerence Sidbury
I suspect the strategy is select small school players with High Ceilings to try and maxamize value for where there are picked
Yes, Yes, Yes
I bet the team regrets keeping project linemen last year over Walden.
This guy looks good.
yeah, but those guys are not 241 lbs.
I think they’re going to move him inside. He’s a bigger Kevin Burnett.
Dallas Drafts...
Kevin Burnett? Just kidding.
But he looks a similar prospect, fast inside backer who is good in coverage.
Couldn't we have taken him much later?
by Beuerleincouldhavebeenbetterthentroy on Apr 26, 2009 9:31 AM CDT reply actions
not much later
Jerry Jones could go in his sock, slap you wit a stack of hundreds, then catch you again on the backswing wit 3 Super Bowl rings. So who the hell are you makin' fun of?
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Apr 26, 2009 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions
At least with your 11th pick in the 3rd.
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by Andersklasen on Apr 26, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions
No
I was told this week Dallas had 3rd round grades on him and Brinkley and were hoping they might fall to 101. But as perhaps you’ve noticed, a lot of guys Dallas likes — Robiske, Unger, Vollmer, Gilbert — are going higher than expected. New England picks soon. You like him, you take him.
who did you want instead?
who do you want instead?
Rashad, but he’ll probably still be there when we pick next. Don’t really know anything about Williams though. Sounds like he’s a project though
Jason Williams report
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1256306
GENERAL REPORT
GRADE: 6.3
Body Structure: Williams has a compact, muscular frame with good upper-body development, broad shoulders, thick chest, tapered thighs and thick hamstrings. He will need to add bulk to compete at the next level, but has room on his frame to carry the additional weight without it impacting his overall speed. Even though he is not bulky, he is a stout athlete with good muscle definition and is impressively defined in his calves and biceps.
Athletic Ability: Williams has great agility and athletic ability, playing with ideal quickness and speed. He shows fine balance closing on the ball and the ability to stay on his feet working through trash. With his flexibility, he is quick to redirect and work his way to the flow of the ball. He has the quickness of a safety dropping back in zone coverage and is an above-average player in the open field with suddenness to close. He looks athletic moving to the ball, showing fluid change-of-direction agility, acceleration and body control in attempts to keep the action in front of him. He shows suddenness in his initial move off the ball and gets to top speed quickly. He has the lateral agility and change-of-direction agility to slip off blocks and string plays wide. He shows good strength at initial contact and breaks down well on the move. His ability to quickly turn and run makes him an asset in pass coverage, as he has the foot speed to stay with most receivers through their routes. GRADE: 7.3
Football Sense: Williams is naturally instinctive with good field vision. He is a quick study taking plays from the chalkboard to the field. He prepares well and understands assignments. He is not the type that will take poor angles in pursuit, showing the hip action to quickly turn coming out of his backpedal. He is alert maintaining eye contact with the ball when working through trash. He picks up traps and pulls easily and shows fluid feet retreating in pass coverage. He stays focused throughout the play and knows his teammates’ assignments well enough to line other players. He plays with savvy and knows what he’s doing on every down. GRADE: 6.4
Character: Williams is a blue-chip prospect with a blue-collar work ethic. He is a self-starter who puts in the extra hours in the weight room and film room. He has no known off-field issues, is mature for his age and has a good business-like approach. He is a solid individual, both on and off the field. GRADE: 6.3
Competitiveness: Williams plays to the whistle. He doesn’t allow emotions to get the better of him. He is the type that will sacrifice his body to make plays all over the field. He plays with great energy and will not hesitate sacrificing his body to step up in the trenches and take on the lead block, despite giving up quite a bit of bulk offensive linemen. He is an energetic type and hits hard, but will get a bit out of control. The type that works long hours to succeed and more often than not, you will find him in the film room after practices. He stays focused and plays hard, whether in game action or practices. He is the type that can get physical with the bigger blockers and will not hesitate to mix it up in the trenches. GRADE: 6.5
Work Habits: Williams plays with energy and wants to be in on every tackle. He goes about his business quietly, but lets his actions on the field speak for him. He is better in space but will give it his all when playing in the box, despite obvious size and bulk issues. He is a self-motivated type who is a well-respected team leader. He takes well to hard coaching. He is an outstanding worker in practices and a self-made type that pushes himself hard to succeed. He has an excellent team-first attitude and while he is a leader by example, he will not hesitate to get vocal in the huddle. GRADE: 6.4
(more is at the link posted above)
How predicable is Cincinnati?
Jerry Jones could go in his sock, slap you wit a stack of hundreds, then catch you again on the backswing wit 3 Super Bowl rings. So who the hell are you makin' fun of?
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Apr 26, 2009 9:33 AM CDT reply actions
Predictable
more guys with baggage
Jerry Jones could go in his sock, slap you wit a stack of hundreds, then catch you again on the backswing wit 3 Super Bowl rings. So who the hell are you makin' fun of?
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Apr 26, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions
do you remember what position Woodson played in college?
if his so fast as a LB, maybe they want to convert himto FS..
Jason Williams YouTube
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very well may move him to a rover safety spot....
he’s great in coverage for LB…
Thanks for the draftcountdown bio, it makes me feel a little better about the pick.
by Beuerleincouldhavebeenbetterthentroy on Apr 26, 2009 9:35 AM CDT reply actions
You still pick Lawrence Sidbury next?
Tar Heels = National Champs in Basketball ... top 5 in Baseball ... Top 10 this year in Football?
still have all are guys here...
OL-Duke Robinson
OL- James Meredith
OL- Andre Caldwell
OL- Kropog
WR- Ramses Barden
WR- Derrick Williams
WR- Mike Thomas
WR- Iglesias
WR- Mike Wallace
WR-Brandon Tate
CB/FS- Victor Harris
CB- DJ Moore
CB- Kevin Barnes
FS- Rashad Johnson
ILB- Marcus Freeman
ILB- Jasper Brinkley
ILB- Tyrone McKenzie
ILB- Scott McKillop
OLB- Lawrence Sidbury
OLB- Kruger
DL- Dorrel Scott
DL- Fred Miller
Like being in a candy store....
Tar Heels = National Champs in Basketball ... top 5 in Baseball ... Top 10 this year in Football?
Guess we aren't getting a top NT
There has been a serious run on DT’s with all these teams going to the 3-4.
I'd be happy with
The Duke, Rashad Johnson, Moore and Harris. No objection to Jamon Meredith.
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I want Sidbury, Robinson or Tate
McKillop or Barden would be ok too, I hope Jerry picks up at least one more 3rd because I feel like none of these guys will be around in the 4th.
Williams is gonna play inside
he’s a much better prospect than McKillop
I think we need at least two ILB's
Brookings is a short term solution, and if Bradie gets hurt we’re screwed.
Still pissed about passing on Sean Smith, who did drop to us at #51 like I had hoped.
i hate day 2 coverage of the draft
too much yap yap not enough player talk. its like they dont really prepare past round 2 prospects
'he nails an open three from the corner....just like you and me, this one was made by penetration' - Truthaboutit - Round 1 Game 5 Recap
I am sure...
they boys at the network were thrilled they only had 2 rounds in day 1 this year. That way they get to drink for 5 rounds, instead of 4.
National Football Post puts him in the top 100
so does Gosselin, whose board is put together with REAL GM’s data.
Who you gonna believe, real War Rooms or a guy who has crop dusters spray his hair?
Why Sidbury?
I don’t understand why everyone wants Sidbury. Especially now. We got a rush linbacker. What is sidbury gonna do? is he better than hatcher or bowen? We need DBs and OT much more than another DL. Put ILB in that mix too
tatetatetatetate
Tar Heels = National Champs in Basketball ... top 5 in Baseball ... Top 10 this year in Football?
Hey 2Cents
you think NE traded down cause Dallas took Williams?
switch to safety in the future?
first I have heard of it, or is he gonna be an ilb
Charter member of the Dutch bandwagon
Yeah
I loathe them, but they are the best at getting value out of the draft.
Why does it seem like they’re always scrambling when on the clock?
here we go....trade ?...or....pick #75...
OL-Duke Robinson
OL- Jamon Meredith
OL- Antoine Caldwell
OL- Kropog
WR- Ramses Barden
WR- Derrick Williams
WR- Mike Thomas
WR- Julio Iglesias
WR- Mike Wallace
WR-Brandon Tate
CB/FS- Victor Harris
CB- DJ Moore
CB- Kevin Barnes
FS- Rashad Johnson
ILB- Marcus Freeman
ILB- Jasper Brinkley
ILB- Tyrone McKenzie
ILB- Scott McKillop
OLB- Lawrence Sidbury
OLB- Kruger
DL- Dorrel Scott
DL- Roy Miller
How does NE get a 2nd and a 7th for a 3rd rounder
And we get a 3rd and 4th for a 2nd? Seriously, Jerry always overpays in trades.
Who??
Why wuld we reach like this?
by Beuerleincouldhavebeenbetterthentroy on Apr 26, 2009 9:51 AM CDT reply actions
because it's not a reach
Look at Gosselin’s top 100. He’s in there, solidly.
Scouts Inc. Grade: 52
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If I was going to take 2 to 3 years to develop a guy
I’d rather do it with a guy that could play LT. We drafted a straight RT/RG guy. You don’t see that often.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
better than robinson?
doubtful, this is not the player I was hoping would buck the crappy history we have of drafting OL
Charter member of the Dutch bandwagon
this guy has a higher composite grade
on Gosselin’s board than Robinson.
interesting...
any info
Charter member of the Dutch bandwagon
he means on Gosselin's board, Webster is rated higher than robinson
this board is filled with inside info from war rooms around the NFL, though usually not dallas
by AustonianAggie on Apr 26, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions
i meant any info
on the actual player
Charter member of the Dutch bandwagon
Look at G's board
it’s made from NFL GM data,
something very few, if any of the semi-pro guys have.
Brewster is 81st, composite. Robinson is 92nd.
I think one of the emerging stories this year is this is the year the draft books have really been
exposed. Look at all the guys rated as mid or late rounders in those books who are going in the 2nd and 3rd.
there are a lot of them
Vollmer is rated as a 7th rounder in one book I have here. Brewster isn’t in it at all.
he projects to OG in the pro's....
liked his write up….but not a road grader in the run game……sounds alright though….still ….a reach if I ever saw one..
interesting guy
projects to LG.
Played ’08 with a knee injury and his GF died two days after delivering their child. Tough kid.
by Rafael Vela on Apr 26, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Kyle Kosier and Holland are there
he doesn’t have to play this year.
by Rafael Vela on Apr 26, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I'll buy that
I had Volmer as a late 3rd round, early 4th round guy. These guys are getting snagged early
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
Huh.
I’m yawning. Not that that’s necessarily a bad thing, but… who?
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cowboys have said...
that duke isn’t a good fit. work ethic issues.
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
the truth is both - this crowd knows their sh&# ... but give the draft room a little "insider" credit
Tar Heels = National Champs in Basketball ... top 5 in Baseball ... Top 10 this year in Football?
Ok... Why did we trade out of the 2nd again?
I thought it was no 2nd round talent… Now we are taking 7th rounders in the 3rd. Brilliant! Don’t they realize we are a 9-7 team?
Don't you realize
That half our roster was injured last season?
Stop dwelling on 9-7….keep everyone healthy and we win at least 2 more last year…
Geez….the glass isn’t half full…damn thing is broken
I think if just Felix stays healthy
we’d’ve won 2 more games. It’s just hit me the past few weeks how much of a difference maker he was.
Me either
I’m not sure how this guy is going to be a better player than someone like Urbik or Robinson.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
If it’s not a reach how come none of us were talking about him? Both draft publications I have have him as a 6th to 7th rd pick. This is a bad pick.
by Beuerleincouldhavebeenbetterthentroy on Apr 26, 2009 9:55 AM CDT reply actions
good point
well sorta.. I trust our scouting department did their homework, but with all the guys who study A LOT of players on this blog it is interesting that nobody was talking about Brewster at this point of the draft. At least some people called Williams.
i'm starting to remember...
we draft wellevery other year, and this isn’t one of those years.
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
So, is anyone still
touting McQuistan to beat out Kosier this year?
Or is he going to be walking down the road, kicking his jampail and looking for work.
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
Prior to camp
People were touting McQ to take the LG spot.
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Apr 26, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Which of the Safeties are still around??
I am checking in for the first time today…Which safeties are still available?
Isn't he ranked pretty high??
Wonder why he is still available….
by thejanusman on Apr 26, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
and we care what ESPN thinks because???
I use to love to hit, I use to take it serious. I only got one at bat a year, maybe...but, I took it serious. I hit 1.000 one year, if i had another at bat, I'd hit 2.000...
everyone on NFLN said it was a good pick
by TARHEEL PAUL on Apr 26, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions
haha
I use to love to hit, I use to take it serious. I only got one at bat a year, maybe...but, I took it serious. I hit 1.000 one year, if i had another at bat, I'd hit 2.000...
i like him better if BSPiN panned him
Tar Heels = National Champs in Basketball ... top 5 in Baseball ... Top 10 this year in Football?
I guess that's why we never find OLinemen in the Early rounds
We are drafting 7th rounders in the 3rd. Why didn’t we use our 2nd round pick?
7th rounder lmaooooooooooooooooo
wtf r u talking about
I'm having flashbacks to last year when everyone here freaked about getting Martellus.
Give it time, who knows how this guys will work out. It’s gauranteed that at half of the players picked in front of the Cowboys won’t even pan out. This isn’t an exact science people. If teams drafter based on sports writers “publications” then there wouldn’t be any need for a damn scouting department.
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by Brandon Worley on Apr 26, 2009 10:01 AM CDT reply actions
Martellus
Was a good value pick, though. Neither Williams nor Brewster is.
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by Conjunction on Apr 26, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Don't be surprised
If we take another one in the 3rd…we have lots of ammo, if there’s someone they like, they’ll pull the trigger
Who is Chip Vaughn, he's in Gosselin's top 100 as a safety
he’s not stellar but he is a career safety, fits strong mold
by AustonianAggie on Apr 26, 2009 10:04 AM CDT reply actions
all i know is he is from Wake Forest.......
and they had a pretty good defense with Aaron Curry, Alphonso Smith, and Chip Vaughn
by TARHEEL PAUL on Apr 26, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm a proponent of trading up
just for the fact that there’s not 12 spots on our 53 likely to be up for competition.
I'm for more competition at every spot
with this many rookies on cheap contracts, lots of people fighting for a roster spot
by AustonianAggie on Apr 26, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Cheap Rookie > Expensive Vet too
I’d think the theme for this camp is “heat on everybody except Witten, Romo and Ware”
by AustonianAggie on Apr 26, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
I think the value these days
is in trading up – everyone wants to take the value approach of the Patriots and move down. There are more sellers than buyers.
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Apr 26, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
We may ahve known what we were doing with the Brewster pick
Seems to be a run on OG right now, which is where he’ll play. I’m not going to complain about picking an o-lineman, that’s for sure.
Agreed
We are all a little shell shocked after the Peterman, Rogers, Marten picks, etc, but we need to keep trying. There is no instant payoff, which is no fun – it’s like saving for retirement.
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Apr 26, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
101
Jerry Jones could go in his sock, slap you wit a stack of hundreds, then catch you again on the backswing wit 3 Super Bowl rings. So who the hell are you makin' fun of?
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Apr 26, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
I think we need to sit still,
then we’ll have 3 picks in a 17 pick span
101,110,117
Jerry Jones could go in his sock, slap you wit a stack of hundreds, then catch you again on the backswing wit 3 Super Bowl rings. So who the hell are you makin' fun of?
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Apr 26, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions
can't believe DJ Moore is still there??
no love for short slow corners?
Well since it looks like we are not going to draft Roger Allen
I"m going to start to tout Chris Baker!
WE NEED
a safety not a project for the OL at 75
I live and die with the Dallas Cowboys
yeah,
I guess u r rite
I live and die with the Dallas Cowboys
Jerry if you are reading this I want you to take a close hard look below
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Is that like Beetlejuice?
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 26, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Hey, I know it was already posted higher up,
But I’m having trouble finding it, can someone give me a link to Goose’s board?
"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time." -Max McGee
All I know is im very disappointed in NFL Network's coverage....way too many commericals
Adam Shefter get the boot from NFL Network? I heard something that he may goto ESPN in August
Yeah he's already signed
"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time." -Max McGee
Not really
ESPN probably just threw a ton of money at him
"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time." -Max McGee
+1 CABILLION
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 26, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
draft
I haven’t kept up the draft like in years past, but this draft doesn’t seem very deep.
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
with our pick
crap
Charter member of the Dutch bandwagon
Well this PSU Alumn is officially bummed...
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
opps...101...
OL-Duke Robinson
OL- Jamon Meredith
OL- Troy Kropog
OL- TJ Lang
WR- Ramses Barden
WR- Derrick Williams
WR- Mike Thomas
WR- Iglesias
WR- Mike Wallace
WR-Brandon Tate
CB/FS- Victor Harris
CB- DJ Moore
FS- Rashad Johnson
SS-Chip Vaughn
SS- David Bruton
SS- Mike Hamlin
ILB- Marcus Freeman
ILB- Jasper Brinkley
ILB- Tyrone McKenzie
ILB- Scott McKillop
OLB- Lawrence Sidbury
OLB- Kruger
DL- Dorrel Scott
DL- Fred Miller
DL- Chris Baker
any love for Bruton?
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 26, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
I had him as our 4th rounder
I had Safety as the best value in the 4th. Bruton, Hamlin, Vaughn and a couple of others are not far behind Delmas and will be had in the 4th.
Res firma mitescere nescit
How about some love for Jordan Norwood?
"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time." -Max McGee
I love him and Deon Butler
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
I really think Norwood will become the best pro of the three
"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time." -Max McGee
Williams is very inconsistent.
Poor route runner. Iffy hands. Lots of upside though.
by Mandmeisterx on Apr 26, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Was the heart and Soul of the Lions for 4 seasons
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
As a Lions fan,
I can definitely say that he was the third most productive receiver for them for 4 seasons. He had the most talent, and did the least with it.
by Mandmeisterx on Apr 26, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
im gonna be upset in NE or Pitt takes N. Reed
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 26, 2009 10:15 AM CDT reply actions
Rashad Johnson?
Bad in coverage right? Igelisis is 57 on Gosselins top 100
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
big time talent..
Injuries and weed knocked him back.
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
I liked Tate but now I hope he brings that trail of smoke in to the Pats locker room
also note, there’s going to be players cut from NE’s roster for NFL teams to pounce on
by AustonianAggie on Apr 26, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
im starting to dislike
the brewster pick more and more. Tate and williams were 2 of my top 3 wrs left. At least for the boys, now we have to hope barden will still be there.
jerry, tom, and co. are not having a good draft so far.
Charter member of the Dutch bandwagon
I disagree Brewster was picked at about the right spot
there is a shown correlation between 4 year starters and succesful NFL linemen, at least last year – plenty of game film too
by AustonianAggie on Apr 26, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Here ya go:
Defending Big D: A Dallas Stars blog on SBN: easy to use, free to join.
by Brandon Worley on Apr 26, 2009 10:16 AM CDT reply actions
I like his feet, he looks quick for his size.
Dallas might have something..
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
I'm impressed
for 6’4 325 he’s very trim looking too
by AustonianAggie on Apr 26, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
didnt mean to condemn the pick
he is a cowboy and i hope he does well, but I think you can wait it out a little. Jerry and co. are not playing the board well right now. with all these picks, there is no excuse for guys to continually go before our picks.
Charter member of the Dutch bandwagon
Sensabaugh
Looks like the Cowboys think Sensabaugh is a better safety than guys like W. Moore, R. Johnson and others. Agree or Disagree?
Probably better for this year
But Jerry’s record at the safety position does not inspire trust.
by I_miss_Switzer on Apr 26, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
for real
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 26, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
They Always are...
They simply are the smartest team in football.
0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.
Poor Brewster, anything short of a HOF career and he will be remembered as a bust.
Poor me, Im going to have to hear about every other post for the next 15 years. To be condemmed before you even play. He is going to love Dallas.
The Democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson
Can you be a third round bust?
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 26, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Are you kidding with this crowd.
The Democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson
just in the last few years
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 26, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Gurode?
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 26, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Gurode...average center..The reason they wanted Unger
Flozell, Larry Allen…who else in the last 10-13 years was any good….Just look at our roster. Except for Gurode and Flozell they are FA’s…
They haven't been good
But Gurode is better than an average center, you don’t know what your talking about.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 26, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Gurode makes too many mental mistakes
He is good, not great. How many false starts and balls thrown over Romo’s head do you need to see before you realize that. They wanted Unger to push Gurode and be his replacement.
what I see that can't be replaced is Gurode rocking guys like Haynesworth
by AustonianAggie on Apr 26, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
well see..Gurode was at his best when he played Haynesworth..
Gurode has regressed over the last few years..IMO..
2 years ago...
Gurode made the Pro Bowl. Last year he “regressed” because he had to constantly cover for Procter.
Gurode is simply the most powerful center in the NFL
thats why I like him, all other centers are considered blocking liabilities
by AustonianAggie on Apr 26, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Im tired of the Hard Knocks commercial and that rap song intro
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 26, 2009 10:18 AM CDT reply actions
T.O. says
“Sometimes I feel like…I’m just unstopable” hahahhahaha…what a joke after being stopped a million times this past season.
Detroit with Derrick Williams
He has great hands.. Detroit O will be ok, but their D is going to stink.
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
lol
GREAT line from Mosley "The Cowboys are currently having a great fifth round. Only problem is we’re still in the third."
ouchie
Everything's looking up, Milhouse!
by accidental innuendo on Apr 26, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
mosley's a turd
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 26, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
how so?
Everything's looking up, Milhouse!
by accidental innuendo on Apr 26, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
5th rounders? I don't think so.
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 26, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
He went to my HS
so did Gibby Haynes… much more impressed with Gibby Haynes, but Mosely keeps Lake Highlands in the national media
by AustonianAggie on Apr 26, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
I Went to College with Gibby
He was quite a character. Cool guy. Was starting power forward on the college team before the siren song of punk rock lured him away.
I also went to LH
What year did you graduate?
by twistmypepsi on Apr 26, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
A run on receivers
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
LMAO
jerry keeps sticking it to jerry
Charter member of the Dutch bandwagon
Without a pick in the first two rounds
we needed a strong 3rd round, overall, how do you think the 3rd is going for the ’Boys. (I know we could still trade back into the round)
Jason Williams is a strong pick, and Brewster was choosen about where he's generically rated
so I say good, it’s the late round picks and their quality that will prove this draft weak or strong
by AustonianAggie on Apr 26, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Mayock said the Brewster pick was a "solid" pick.
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 26, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions
and its the ones that count too
Charter member of the Dutch bandwagon
What part of GM Jerry saying he doesn't believe in drafting WRs don't you understand?
He’s been consistent over the past decade, yet the blogsphere *& mediots keep thinking we are going to take one.
BTW, Matt Jones will be signed as soon as the commish determines his penalty for busting parole.
Res firma mitescere nescit
I think he'll have a career
up there with Crabtree.. hurts seeing him go to the Giants
by NerdVernacular on Apr 26, 2009 10:25 AM CDT reply actions
I agree with that statement
I really really like the Williams pick. Not sure about Brewster, but it looks like he has good feet, but will need to spend time in the weight room
NE is kicking some serious AZZ
Tar Heels = National Champs in Basketball ... top 5 in Baseball ... Top 10 this year in Football?
I think NE is
winning the draft so far. Which means absolutely nothing since none of the guys have stepped foot on the field yet. But they are making smart trades and getting good talent for where they are picking. Why does it always seem that the Pats get more value in their trades than anyone else in the league. Are they just smarter than everyone or is there something else? Conspiracy Theory anyone?
H wont be able to seperate.
The Democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson
Let's see
There goes all the decent WR’s and S’s… we going to just supplement the OL and Linebackers the rest of the way? Is Dorrell Scott still there?
by NerdVernacular on Apr 26, 2009 10:28 AM CDT reply actions
So we get a 5th Rounder to move out of the 2nd
And Philly gets one for moving a few spots down in the 3rd. Jerrah is slick!
that's why I didn't like the trade yesterday
I was ok with trading out of the 2nd round, but we just didn’t get good value for trading that pick. We though a player was going to be there and when he wasn’t we panicked and had to take the best offer. We got hosed.
Trading down makes sense
if someone is knocking at your door for the pick. Otherwise, you don’t get the full value.
by I_miss_Switzer on Apr 26, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Not me though...
And I hate to see what’ll happen to Romo once they realize those guys cannot get open. Our Oline will start to look just as bad as they really are.
Maybe
I think we forget about Jason Witten alot though.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 26, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Must love Crayton as out Punt Returner too.
by JimmyJohnson on Apr 26, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
guys its still early
we have a lot of time to get a wr/punt returner
by CowboysFan4Life on Apr 26, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
I have faith in Austin and Hurd
Better then any WR in the 3rd round.
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
People use NE every year as our excuse to reach
Spencer was rated a 4th by the books and fairly late by Goose. But everybody here said we “had” to pick him before NE took him away.
I'm dissappointed the Giants found Barden but they still don't have a #1 WR
if Roy Williams pans out, Dallas alone will have a #1 WR
by AustonianAggie on Apr 26, 2009 10:30 AM CDT reply actions
both WRs GMen drafted are slow
not worried about them, Philyy is the team that drafted great
In Romo we Trust
oh well...
OL-Duke Robinson
OL- Jamon Meredith
OL- Troy Kropog
OL- TJ Lang
WR- Mike Thomas
WR- Iglesias
WR- Jarret Dilliard
CB/FS- Victor Harris
CB- DJ Moore
FS- Rashad Johnson
SS-Chip Vaughn
SS- David Bruton
SS- Mike Hamlin
ILB- Marcus Freeman
ILB- Jasper Brinkley
ILB- Jason Phillips
ILB- Tyrone McKenzie
ILB- Scott McKillop
OLB- Lawrence Sidbury
OLB- Kruger
DL- Dorrel Scott
DL- Fred Miller
DL- Chris Baker
what about Murphy and that Michigan NT?
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 26, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah, and louis murphy from FLA
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 26, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Sidbury
I’m very surprised that Dallas did not pull the trigger on Sudbury, at least w that 2nd pick. I expect them to snag him if he’s still there @ 4 (1). Williams is more of a tackling machine, not so much a pass rusher, so there’s room to take another LB here.
Sleeper Speed WR
This is the type of guy Dallas would look at … Johnny Knox | WRScouts Inc. Grade: 65
by UtahUte CowboyFan on Apr 26, 2009 10:32 AM CDT reply actions
I bet if he played for Ohio State
you wouldn’t think so.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 26, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh that makes alot of sense
Because there are alot of good players that play for lesser teams that aren’t starting for Ohio State.
Why wasn’t Demarcus Ware playing for Alabama instead of Troy?
That’s such a homer statement.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 26, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm relaxed dude
Nice retraction there, very smooth.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 26, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Regarding your player list
Kuger is gone bro…
by UtahUte CowboyFan on Apr 26, 2009 10:34 AM CDT reply actions
Recap
So far so good. We have gotten talent that graded out near our picks at positions of need.
Nothing sexy just smart good picks. The OT drop off after Brewster is great and the OLB drop off was similiar.
Best value at the time in regards to positions of need.
by Conan the Cimmerian on Apr 26, 2009 10:37 AM CDT reply actions
If Williams plays...
he will likely start playing nickle, not starting ILB. LB in the NFL is not easy to learn.
New thread?
Kanye, you want to be the voice of this generation? Get in line! It goes me, Obamagirl, the Freecreditreport.com guys, then It's a tie between you-and Crocs.
-Stephen Colbert
That'd
bet two years in a row that Atlanta did really good.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 26, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
For you guys that put weight in scouts inc grades.
They have Johnson as the number 2 overall safty…
by UtahUte CowboyFan on Apr 26, 2009 10:43 AM CDT reply actions
Possible?
Juaquin Iglesias
Rashas Johnson
?
As Norm would say, grab your Johnson
by Conan the Cimmerian on Apr 26, 2009 10:43 AM CDT reply actions
NE got a 2nd for next year from Titans
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 26, 2009 10:43 AM CDT reply actions
yeeeeeeeeep
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 26, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
You can only trade down
if someone really wants the pick.
If you go Shamwow Vince in your approach, you have to throw in a pocket fisherman and miracle blade to get the deal done.
by I_miss_Switzer on Apr 26, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Same value as #49
Chicago (I think) got the same 3rd & 4th rounders that we did for their 2nd a few picks before us.
Res firma mitescere nescit
How are all these teams...
Getting higher picks for next year if this is supposedly such a weak draft?
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
guess Tenn really wanted a TE
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 26, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Every team believes in one axiom:
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Future picks are always undervalued.
Kanye, you want to be the voice of this generation? Get in line! It goes me, Obamagirl, the Freecreditreport.com guys, then It's a tie between you-and Crocs.
-Stephen Colbert
by Conjunction on Apr 26, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
just 10 more picks guys!!!
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 26, 2009 10:47 AM CDT reply actions
haha
I like fajita’s!
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 26, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
grab a johnson, please no QBs!
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 26, 2009 10:48 AM CDT reply actions
huh?
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 26, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
oh, i thought you meant we traded up...got excited
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 26, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm pretty underwhelmed right now...
Not saying this draft is good or bad, because you can’t tell until three years down the line anyways… but were those first two picks reaches?
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
I say maybe a little bit
But if the pick works out, then it doesn’t matter
Everything's looking up, Milhouse!
by accidental innuendo on Apr 26, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
I kind of thought that too...
I kind of thought he was going to go at the top of the third… is he one of the guys Dallas invited out?
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 26, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
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