Dallas Cowboys 2009 Draft (Day 2): Open Thread II
by Dave Halprin on Apr 26, 2009 10:51 AM CDT
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Print[UPDATE]: With the 110th pick, the Cowboys select: Victor Butler, OLB, Oregon St.
NFL Draft Countdown on Victor Butler
[UPDATE]: With the 101st pick, the Cowboys select: Stephen McGee, QB, Texas A&M
NFL Draft Countdown on Stephen McGee
Open thread starting at the end of the third round, start of the fourth round of the NFL draft.
The Cowboys haul so far:
#69: LB Jason Williams - Western Illinois
#75: T/G Robert Brewster - Ball State
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so random question...
If WR Quan Cosby is there in the 5th or 6th or 7th, do you take him?
Eh...
I like him, as you can probably tell, but he’s preeeeety old for a rookie.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 26, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
exactly...is his old age worth a late round pick
I would think they he would be able to transition quickly
by VTcowboys16 on Apr 26, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
So I really don't know that much about the two guys we got...
recap?
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
Did Larry Lacewell come back to take over our draft while I was away?
This is one of those drafts where it will be like we never existed…
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Jason Williams is the most athletic linebacker in this draft and has good size
don’t know how you could say that. I really like him coming into this draft.
Duke Robinson, Dorell Scott
how far do you think Frantz Joseph drops?
by NerdVernacular on Apr 26, 2009 10:54 AM CDT reply actions
no, he's gonna own the 4th like usual
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 26, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Still
on th bandwagon. value picks at positions of neerd
by Conan the Cimmerian on Apr 26, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't know
how much of this is Tom and how much of this is Jerry outsmarting himself again…
Remember, Tom makes the board, but it is Jerry who chooses what to do.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Stephen wouldn't let Jerry make a bad choice
I can promise you that. Every choice we make has Stephen’s seal of approval.
lotsa Rainbows goin today
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 26, 2009 10:55 AM CDT reply actions
So far
Our picks have were of value according to Rick Gosselin’s top 100 list
by Conan the Cimmerian on Apr 26, 2009 10:55 AM CDT reply actions
6 more picks to go....who's it going to be ??
OL-Duke Robinson
OL- Jamon Meredith
OL- Troy Kropog
OL- TJ Lang
OL- Canfield
WR- Mike Thomas
WR- Iglesias
CB/FS- Victor Harris
CB- DJ Moore
SS-Chip Vaughn
SS- David Bruton
SS- Mike Hamlin
ILB- Marcus Freeman
ILB- Jasper Brinkley
ILB- Tyrone McKenzie
ILB- Scott McKillop
OLB- Lawrence Sidbury
DL- Dorrel Scott
DL- Chris Baker
DT- Terrence Taylor
2009
The Dallas draft that wasn’t.
Gotta be the worst in the NFL through 3 rounds…
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
oakland disagrees.
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
by ivysafety39 on Apr 26, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd trade everything we get today for DHB and a six pack of fat tire
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Take DJ Moore
Smart, productive, and great at special teams
Thank God....
the Celtics are on today at 1:00. This has been the most boring draft in a long time. Great job again Jerry!!! Stellar…….Stellar.
If the Cowboys could only play like a team with passion and unity like my beloved
Boston Celtics, I would be happy.
by Captain Comeback on Apr 26, 2009 10:58 AM CDT reply actions
draft
R. Johnson comparison to Roy W pretty much killed any chances of him being a cowboy..
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
I'm fine with our picks so far
It looks like a lot players we thought would go in the late 2nd-early 3rd have dropped and are available in the 4th.
What I’m not fine with is what we got in return for the #51 pick. It looks like they didn’t have a backup plan in case Unger was gone, which means they should have just given up a pick to move up and get him once he got within 10 picks.
Guys I have to agree
Tom C is keeping to his guns about drafting hard working, good character guys……
Agree... nothing sexy here, just good solid picks...
If you pan this draft already, you just like to be the cynic
Tar Heels = National Champs in Basketball ... top 5 in Baseball ... Top 10 this year in Football?
well we have 12 picks and the 1st two already have roster spots for themselves
2-2 so far, 10 more to go
if we get to 4-12 we’re good. We could use a homerun at the safety position from some where no one was looking
by AustonianAggie on Apr 26, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
i hope we end up with either terrance taylor or dorell scott
and either jasper brinkley or scott mckillop
and maybe the duke?
and macho harris
by CowboysFan4Life on Apr 26, 2009 11:00 AM CDT reply actions
we dont need another ilb
at least not this early
Charter member of the Dutch bandwagon
Tom C
hard working, good character, AVERAGE players who should be taken a round or two later….while watching the best players available of need come off the board…
I don't know about average
but I am starting to believe that to build something that is synergistic (whole > than sum of parts) you need to pick strong character hard working players. That is what teams like Pitt have done for years. Besides we already have all the “sexy” players (minus a safety) on this team. We need work horses who can make everyone else work hard.
per dmn blog
What did Jerry and Wade say to you? “Really, they didn’t say too much. They wanted me to come in and be a special teams guy and I talked to Wade and the other guy and they were all saying the same thing about special teams and they really want me to be in their third down package.”
Carp is in trouble
Could We Get That Much?
The guy has been a decent special teamer for three years. What’s that worth?
Williams is
a small school prospect who looks like he needs to add some bulk to stay at LB. Do you think he’ll be able to come in play as a rookie
She'd make the team, given our rookie class
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Gotta be a DB
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
or Sammie Lee!!!
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
great LB for NE.....they are worshipped....
McKenzie was top 3rd- to late 3rd talent…
Karrem Larrimore?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
dont screw us again chicago
lets go sidbury
Charter member of the Dutch bandwagon
The Dallas Cowboys select...
Dwayne Goodrich
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Two picks away.....
OL-Duke Robinson
OL- Jamon Meredith
OL- Troy Kropog
OL- TJ Lang
OL- Canfield
WR- Mike Thomas
WR- Iglesias
TE/H-Back- James Casey
CB/FS- Victor Harris
CB- DJ Moore
SS-Chip Vaughn
SS- David Bruton
SS- Mike Hamlin
ILB- Marcus Freeman
ILB- Jasper Brinkley
ILB- Scott McKillop
OLB- Lawrence Sidbury
DL- Dorrel Scott
DL- Chris Baker
DT- Terrence Taylor
Hamlin or DL
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
no iglesias
another nice pick by chicago
Charter member of the Dutch bandwagon
Bah
I am unhappy with the Bears today.
Kanye, you want to be the voice of this generation? Get in line! It goes me, Obamagirl, the Freecreditreport.com guys, then It's a tie between you-and Crocs.
-Stephen Colbert
Macho!Macho!
Kanye, you want to be the voice of this generation? Get in line! It goes me, Obamagirl, the Freecreditreport.com guys, then It's a tie between you-and Crocs.
-Stephen Colbert
tick tock
we’re on the clock
Tom Grieve is my hero.
because they have SEVERAL guys they value equally ???
Tar Heels = National Champs in Basketball ... top 5 in Baseball ... Top 10 this year in Football?
what does everyone think of
jamon meredith? LT of the future?
Charter member of the Dutch bandwagon
The guy is a phenomenal athlete.
Can slot out as a receiver.
by Mandmeisterx on Apr 26, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
another nice pick
would have gone a lot higher if he came out last year, but stayed in school and got hurt
Charter member of the Dutch bandwagon
TOTALLY AGREE WITH THIS COMMENT
Tar Heels = National Champs in Basketball ... top 5 in Baseball ... Top 10 this year in Football?
we will trade
but it will be for a 5th and 6th
Charter member of the Dutch bandwagon
Good
Leaves the field clear for us.
Kanye, you want to be the voice of this generation? Get in line! It goes me, Obamagirl, the Freecreditreport.com guys, then It's a tie between you-and Crocs.
-Stephen Colbert
I think
this round is where we might move in some more, those 5ths and 6ths have some value at this point.
Tom Grieve is my hero.
we also have 3 in the 5th, and the value will still be there
Tar Heels = National Champs in Basketball ... top 5 in Baseball ... Top 10 this year in Football?
If you want a big WR,,,,
… what about Jaison Williams?
Hmm
Interesting. A little high for him, I think, but good prospect.
Kanye, you want to be the voice of this generation? Get in line! It goes me, Obamagirl, the Freecreditreport.com guys, then It's a tie between you-and Crocs.
-Stephen Colbert
+1
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 26, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't know if it's high, he was rising lately...
…I would be more ok with this if I knew more about the players they took in the 3rd round.
Still, McGee is the type of QB who won’t even challenge for the primary backup QB role for a year or two.
by GhettoBear04 on Apr 26, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
good gawd
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 26, 2009 11:15 AM CDT reply actions
+1
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 26, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
UM actually most sites have him rated as a third rounder
so I’m interested to know how you came to this conclusion
LOl
we just went from drafting “backups” to third stringers and practice squad players, but hey its the 6 round what do you expect… oh wait its the 4th, does jerruh know that?
Charter member of the Dutch bandwagon
Learn something
http://www.drafttek.com/2009players.asp
Or don’t post at all. The guy went slightly lower than he was suppose to go.
its a joke
chill out, hes a fine prospect, but a third stringer none the less
Charter member of the Dutch bandwagon
with so many good prospects out ther?
why oh why would we take him now
by CowboysFan4Life on Apr 26, 2009 11:16 AM CDT reply actions
McGee wow
When he was young he used to practice tackling trees, legend from aggie land
by AustonianAggie on Apr 26, 2009 11:16 AM CDT reply actions
Wow! Did I call that one
I told y’all that GM Jerry gets his flyer pick in the 4th!
Res firma mitescere nescit
had to think he wasn't going to be there in the next 12 picks...
I think we still have SEVERAL top rated guys on our board here…
Everyone wants to doubt a draft room they know little about
Tar Heels = National Champs in Basketball ... top 5 in Baseball ... Top 10 this year in Football?
I like McGee too
but with other guys on the board who could come in and contribute on ST right away… is this the right pick
McGee
Strong, pro arm and great speed.
Not what I wanted but great prospect
by Conan the Cimmerian on Apr 26, 2009 11:17 AM CDT reply actions
I think we all wanted a 3rd qb
who would take some time to groom, and this guy has a high ceiling. Good pick.
McGee
I think McGee could be a good backup QB, but with Kitna here and other positions that need depth.. wasn’t really a smart pick
Kitna
now has two years and will be gone
by Conan the Cimmerian on Apr 26, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
why goodbye Stanback?
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 26, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
McGee is a straight up QB pick
I heard this when Bennett was picked. Team thought Dennis Franchione recruited great talent and completely wasted it. Kids had no technique or discipline. Lots of terrible work habits.
That’s one reason Bennett fell so far. Same with McGee.
by Rafael Vela on Apr 26, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
guess we knew they'd take him somewhere
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 26, 2009 11:17 AM CDT reply actions
not sure why Sidbury is dropping
not sure at all
Don't be surprised when...
we get D’s and F’s from all the major outlets on Monday.
Because we will.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I'd be surprised if we got a D
Charter member of the Dutch bandwagon
We'll get the benefit of the doubt
Because no 1st rounder.
by JimmyJohnson on Apr 26, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm pleased so far.
Glad Jerry isn’t reaching for names, and is picking solid football players with upside.
by Mandmeisterx on Apr 26, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Exactly... Anybody watching ESPN knows Mel and Todd suck..
If either of these guys knew half as much as ESPN wanted you to think, they wouldn’t be talking about these dudes on TV…
NFL guys don’t even take them seriously…
Sorry Haters
McGee is a pro arm QB with awesome speed
by Conan the Cimmerian on Apr 26, 2009 11:19 AM CDT reply actions
Comes in handy
On the bench
I live and die with the Dallas Cowboys
yeah really....I don't think he is helping us in Dec and Jan when were trying to win games..
He was a 5th round QB..another reach..
STUPID
D and F’s? That might be sort of high
I live and die with the Dallas Cowboys
this is a HILARIOUS post
Tar Heels = National Champs in Basketball ... top 5 in Baseball ... Top 10 this year in Football?
D's and F's
Don’t be surprised if we get D’s and F’s TODAY…because I think this is the dumbest draft ever!
We have WR and Safety issues
,,,what the hell are we doing?…you have one of the bext QB’s in the league in Romo and jus traded for Kitna…what the hell does this pick mean? I s he even going to make the roster?
I dont undersand the linebcaker either. A rushing linebacker….another one…we have Ellis, Ware, Spencer….
i dont see a rushing linebacker drafted
i see a special teams guy / nickel MLB
oh well....7 picks to go...
OL-Duke Robinson
OL- Jamon Meredith
OL- Troy Kropog
OL- TJ Lang
OL- Canfield
WR- Mike Thomas
WR- Iglesias
CB/FS- Victor Harris
CB- DJ Moore
SS-Chip Vaughn
SS- David Bruton
SS- Mike Hamlin
ILB- Marcus Freeman
ILB- Jasper Brinkley
ILB- Tyrone McKenzie
ILB- Scott McKillop
OLB- Lawrence Sidbury
DL- Dorrel Scott
DL- Chris Baker
DT- Terrence Taylor
DL- Sammie Lee
McGee is as tough as they come, if they want tough and smart
thats all he is, he also has a tendency to beat his rivals
by AustonianAggie on Apr 26, 2009 11:20 AM CDT reply actions
true
as an Aggie, and seeing and talking to McGee the last few years, he’s a high character, high energy, hard working player. But he won’t sniff the playing field for several years. But he’ll be a great backup and could have trade value in a few years. Think Green Bay when they had Favre but kept drafting and trading QB’s
I don't understand I thought our NEEDS were.....
S, WR, NT……and we haven’t picked any of those positions!! See ya guys I’ve wasted a day watching this….better order flowers for my fiancee’.
I don't think McGee is that bad.
I think that he’s a pretty good prospect.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
I agree that I would have preferred a WR or S but...
We had heard that if we wanted McGee we would have to take him in the 3rd or early 4th. So far our best pick.
by Beuerleincouldhavebeenbetterthentroy on Apr 26, 2009 11:20 AM CDT reply actions
Check Gosselin, that draft moron does not agree with your draft genius
by Conan the Cimmerian on Apr 26, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Once again
First 2 picks were excellent based on value. Read Gosselin’s top 100.
McGee is best pro arm QB left, period.
by Conan the Cimmerian on Apr 26, 2009 11:20 AM CDT reply actions
Not Excellent.
Even by that list, we picked them too early.
by JimmyJohnson on Apr 26, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Dallas war room high fives in the past for Quincy Carter
Yeah, good…
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
It really is a return to the days when Jerry fancied himself a talent evaluator.
Maddening to see how this team was knocking on the door and is now falling back to mediocrity and beyond.
You look at teams like Philly and the Giants…they have upgraded their rosters significantly.
It hurts as a fan to watch this team not have a real football talent evaluator running this part of our organization.
The only thing I can think of is that Jerry is feeling the economic pinch with the new stadium and all.
I get all of that, but this? Absolutely incompetent organization.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
The Pats
showed us how it is done this weekend.
by DoomsdayD75 on Apr 26, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Let me put it this way, McGee won despite the worst coaching I've ever watched at a major college
by AustonianAggie on Apr 26, 2009 11:22 AM CDT reply actions
and what's the time to get a QB?
when you DON’T need one
That way he can develop like Romo did, without a desperate fan base hanging on his very success or mistake.
by Rafael Vela on Apr 26, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
What position on this team needs a starter????
For two days now everyone has been moaning and groaning over not picking in the second and now the selections the team has made today, can someone tell me what rookie was going to walk into Valley Ranch and start next season? At what position did they just have to have a top tier guy who is considered ready to start this season? You guys are getting way to caught up in names and draft gurus projected selections or it guys to see that Jerry and Co. are doing exactly what they said they were going to do, bring in solid guys to churn the bottom 20 roster spots. Guys to provide competition, enhance special teams, and compete with backup guys already on the roster. Get over yourselves and all of the moaning and graoning because they have not selected the big name that all the meadia has talked about for the past 2 months….
+1111111111111111111111111111111111111
Tar Heels = National Champs in Basketball ... top 5 in Baseball ... Top 10 this year in Football?
smoke much crack?
we need a starter at
NT? Uh, Jay Ratliff much?
OLB? Ware, Spencer, Ellis
huh?
a good NT could make it on the field
a good safety could break into a starter’s role by mid-season
given how thin we are at CB, a corner would get on the field in packages
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
and they still can... we have 5 picks coming right here
tranquilo!
Tar Heels = National Champs in Basketball ... top 5 in Baseball ... Top 10 this year in Football?
I have no clue about the media nor the names.
But I am sure as hell we dont need a QB and Mcgee will not lay special teams either.
No way....
You have holes in Safety, WR, NT, and O-line. Defintely not at QB.
McGee could be great...but
Romo will be the starter for at least 5+ years…AND we have a solid back up for hte next 5+ years if we want….so why would we REACH for a QB in the 3rd who wont see the field but 3 times a year in PRESEASON for 5+ years…
Why draft
Staubach when you already have a QB?
Your reasoning = fail
by Conan the Cimmerian on Apr 26, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
good analogy... staubach drafted 6 years before starting?
Tar Heels = National Champs in Basketball ... top 5 in Baseball ... Top 10 this year in Football?
Did you see what happened when Romo went down
You are a play away from your season going down the drain unless you have a good backup
Kitna might be the best back up in the league
by VTcowboys16 on Apr 26, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Kitna
is not going to be a solid backup for 5 years.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 26, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Simmer down, gentlemen...
We got a solid OLINE guy… a GREAT OLB … and now a QB we’ve been asking for years to be taken…
Reserve a little bit of your worries at least until after the 5th! we still have 5 picks in the next 50 or so…
Tar Heels = National Champs in Basketball ... top 5 in Baseball ... Top 10 this year in Football?
BS
Williams went too soon.
Brewster was ranked like #14-19 at his position.
McGee has injury issues and isn’t proven in any way.
Don’t be an apologist, this draft bites.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
something bites
Tar Heels = National Champs in Basketball ... top 5 in Baseball ... Top 10 this year in Football?
(insert smiley)
Tar Heels = National Champs in Basketball ... top 5 in Baseball ... Top 10 this year in Football?
Man, you're a pessimist
This draft is going right to the heart of what was predicted by most to actually happen.
Williams ran a damn 4.4 at the size of a 3-4 ILB…that’s studly.
Brewster at OT was down there, but at OG he is really big and athletic.
One pick in the 4th is reserved for GM Jerry to take his pet cat (McGee).
So far, so predictable.
Res firma mitescere nescit
I'm just hoping for an ILB with one of these next two picks, and some sort of tackle (offensive or nose) with the other
"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time." -Max McGee