Cowboys Draft 2009: Quick Snapshot of the 12 Picks
Quick wrap-up of the Dallas Cowboys 2009 Draft.
Later tonight, Raf will post his breakdown on the players we drafted so be sure to come back to read that.
The Cowboys went with the "Death Match" strategy proposed in this earlier post. After drafting 12 players on the second day, training camp is going to turn into a death match between all these rookies and some veterans who have been on the edges of the roster, and possibly a couple of semi-regulars.
I won't even try to offer analysis of the skills and value of most of these picks. Many of them I haven't seen play a down of football, so I can't give them a true evaluation. I'll leave that to the draftniks. But you can get an idea of what their roles may be should they make the team and who they'll be battling in camp for roster spots.
Jason Williams, ILB, Western Illinois - This guy looks like a replacement for Kevin Burnett. Small but very active and athletic, he should battle for the nickel ILB spot. Bobby Carpenter could be in trouble.
Robert Brewster, T/G, Ball State - Played tackle but the talk is he might be better sliding inside to guard at the NFL level. He'll battle for a backup spot along the line and could replace a player like Pat McQuistan.
Stephen McGee, QB, Texas A&M - If you draft a QB when you have a confirmed starter and a competent backup, you must see something special in him. Otherwise, you can find a third QB in a lot of places and not in the fourth round. We'll see.
Victor Butler, OLB, Oregon State - With this pick and the following one, Greg Ellis is sure to be whining soon. The Cowboys had Ware, Spencer and Ellis as the options at OLB, which was dangerously thin. Now they have Butler to compete.
Brandon Williams, OLB, Texas Tech - See above.
DeAngelo Smith, CB, Cincinnati - We needed some more bodies in the secondary behind the starters. There's talk Smith could be better suited to safety. He could also end up being a punt returner on special teams.
Michael Hamlin, S, Clemson - It was no secret the Cowboys needed depth at safety, behind Ken Hamlin and Gerald Sensabaugh we had very little. Pat Watkins and Courtney Brown now have competition.
David Buehler, K, USC - Kind of a surprise, but I guess with 12 picks you can take a chance like this. Nick Folk is a money kicker on FG's, but is far below average on kickoffs. Buehler could battle Folk but more likely would have to stick as a kickoff specialists. Yes, teams do use kickoff specialists sometimes; it's not a totally nutty idea. Buehler is also a good athlete and might be able to do some other things, so that might help his cause.
Stephen Hodge, S, TCU - A big safety, he could add depth and could possibly play a hybrid S/LB position in the dime defenses. Similar to what we tried with Roy Williams.
John Phillips, TE, Virginia - It's a rule that Dallas has to draft a TE every year.
Mike Mickens, CB, Cincinnati - Huge value at corner. I have no idea why he dropped, but he was expected to go much sooner. Did the knee scare teams off? Alan Ball doesn't like this draft at all.
Manuel Johnson, WR, Oklahoma - Well, they had to draft a receiver at some point.
This draft isn't flashy and I don't see anybody here who could immediately challenge the starters for time, but two or three may be playing significant roles in rotations as nickel and dime defenders. The Cowboys also concentrated on special teams and decided they needed an infusion of new blood, especially with the departure of Keith Davis and Kevin Burnett. Some of these guys are special teams aces. Another binding characteristic - good guys, character guys.
What are your thoughts? Stick around, later Raf will have his breakdown up.
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No judgement
I know nothing about these guys, so I’ll just have to see how things go.
I AM THE LAST NAKED WARRIOR!
by Nelson... on Apr 26, 2009 6:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think I don't know what to think
I had a really good feeling about last year’s draft. This year, I am left a bit confused.
Looks like the Cowboys decided they were okay on offense and defense — and that the real difference between status quo and playoff wins lay within special teams and the lower third of the roster. Not entirely unfair, but I feel they did pass on prospects that could have contributed sooner rather than later.
Like I said, a little confused, somewhat underwhelmed, but not totally dissatisfied. So, even proper snap judgments will have to wait till after TC.
Everything's looking up, Milhouse!
by accidental innuendo on Apr 26, 2009 6:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
same here
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 26, 2009 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Buehler is not just a K...
I’m a SoCal native, and he put on quite a show at the Combine and USC Pro Day. He’s 6-1, almost 230, runs a 4.6, and did something like 27 reps in the bench press. He played some safety and fullback at USC, and he played even more positions in JC before transferring to USC.
If nothing else, he should improve our kickoff coverage. :D
by DannyWhite on Apr 26, 2009 6:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
oh yeah, Buehler is a good pick, at first I was thinking WTF we got a good kicker, but I remember reading about his strenght
imagine how our kick-off return coverage will improve after every time he kicks it through the end zone. thats is as good as it gets
by dcfanz on Apr 26, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm Inclined to Give the War Room
Some credit here. There’s a lingering opinion among many that Jerry can’t resist flashy wide receivers. But for the third year in a row, now that Parcells is gone and there is no one left to temper those alleged excesses, his selections have generally been measured and far-thinking.
I do not understand, however, how the Patriots can bail into later rounds and get sweet picks whereas we can’t. Something looks wrong with that.
Players who should feel their roster spots have a bulls eye on them:
McQuistan
Free
Stanback
Brown
Carpenter
Rogers
Watkins
Ellis
Battle
Ball
by kindablue on Apr 26, 2009 6:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
they bug other teams war rooms
and know exactly who wants a player at that point. its the only explanation. its ridiculous. They own draft day.
by foyesboys on Apr 26, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i love the fact that
we can finally start removing some of the dead weight on this roster. I would love to see one of these guys supplant carpenter/Brown/Watkins/Ball/McQ.
by foyesboys on Apr 26, 2009 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually love...
Courtney Brown. He is extremely bright (graduated from Cal Poly with an engineering school), fast (I think he ran a sub 4.4 40) and is damn near perfect sized to play safety. I think the knock on him has been that he has had poor reaction time, which could be because he is learning a new position.
by BVandy on Apr 26, 2009 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
really depends
If McGee develops into a capable backup, it will save this team a serious headache, so we don’t need to find a competent backup every 2 years. Romo isn’t exactly injury resistant, so this is a crucial position.
If Williams pans out to be burnett minus the injury problems, that will be a good pick, and replenish our ilb core
There are some secondary players that have some potential.
We improved our depth at olb, which i was hoping for. This could pay big dividends in the next 2 years.
and if we do decide to go the two kicker route..I think a kickoff specialist might be worth 5 yards of field position on average compared to folk, which is H-U-G-E. He also seems to be capable of playing other positions. lol i guess if nothing else, we could get a freakin cool onside kick team outta this. Especially with a kicker whose not afraid to lay someone out. jk.
At the very least, we SHOULD see significant special teams improvement. If we don’t, it will be safe to say that the pick portion of the draft was a failure. Obviously, Roy plays a big part in the overall picture.
by foyesboys on Apr 26, 2009 6:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
I agree with everything here.
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 26, 2009 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A couple of ideas...
First, if you haven’t already, go to DC.com and watch the tape on Victor Butler from OR State. I have had several chances to see him play and he is a very violent player. He reminds me of the kind of guy that Baltimore drafts. You know the guy…when he hits somebody, you can hear it and the crowd oohs. He is also very active at trying to strip the ball, one of the Boys’ weaknesses.
All in all, I would say that the Cowboys drafted a bunch of “high motor” guys. These are guys who don’t rely so much on their athleticism as in the fact that they never quit. We also saw the Boys take to heart the changes at special teams. In fact, it wouldn’t surprise me if we see somone like Hodge from TCU become our Don Bebee.
Jerry did something very interesting which has proven very successful for certain teams in the NFL: he didn’t get caught up in the numbers at the combine and drafted some very tough nosed ball players. As Grizz says above, none are likely to put a starter out of a job this year, but there will be guys who make the roster and take a job from guys with potential but no results.
by BVandy on Apr 26, 2009 6:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice.
We need some violence on D, now that old school-Roy is gone.
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 26, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know much about the players we drafted and all in all have no complaints except that we seemed to draft a lot of guys to rush the passer. The only time I was angry was when we traded out pick 51 and missed out on Sean Smith. He was the last of three players available that I really wanted.
by jack dein on Apr 26, 2009 6:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Smith...
is too raw to contribute at safety. He was a converted wide receiver who was still learning the CB position. He is talented, but I think his numbers made people drool more than his actual ability to play safety in the NFL.
by BVandy on Apr 26, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jerry came out and said
the team is willing to dress 2 kickers.
Jerry Jones could go in his sock, slap you wit a stack of hundreds, then catch you again on the backswing wit 3 Super Bowl rings. So who the hell are you makin' fun of?
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Apr 26, 2009 6:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Everyone raise your hand...
who got irritated beyond belief that Nick Folk didn’t have 1 touchback the entire season!
by BVandy on Apr 26, 2009 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that Folk's problem
or Bruce Read’s obsession with directional kicking?
Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!
by DerekSTheRed on Apr 26, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have also wondered that.
Won’t have that problem this year one way or another.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 26, 2009 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Can't Believe He Was Always Directional
Kicking to the 15 yard line. His leg just looks weak.
by kindablue on Apr 26, 2009 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not one????
wow.
I AM THE LAST NAKED WARRIOR!
by Nelson... on Apr 26, 2009 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't irritated enough to spend a 5th rounder
on a KO specialist without seeing if Folk could kick better this year under a new ST coach
by cow_fanatic on Apr 26, 2009 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should never forget that draft pick
by cow_fanatic on Apr 26, 2009 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
correct me
if I’m wrong, but the year Folk was drafted everybody said that they had drafted him bcuz of his strong leg and not his accuracy.
by DCowboy on Apr 26, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, think you're wrong.
I love Folk, but he does not have a monster leg.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Apr 26, 2009 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was said on the old blog
I remember the same thing that he had a strong leg.
by staubachfan on Apr 26, 2009 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, Folk does make the 50 yard field goals
he just hasn’t translated it to kickoffs for some reason.
by mdlusk on Apr 26, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd love to see some touchbacks but
I would be very careful giving up a kicker who is automatic on FG’s. If I had to choose between accuracy on FG’s and long KO’s, I’ll take the 3 points.
by StillHateTheGiants on Apr 26, 2009 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was touted with having a monster leg....
only shows it on FG attempts…
by My_2_Cents on Apr 26, 2009 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
I think he’s right. if i remember correctly, there was criticism for passing on mason crosby who was considered to be by far the more accurate kicker. and the reasoning at the time was that folk had strong kick-offs.
by Barbie Carpenter on Apr 26, 2009 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, it should go
Alamo
9/11
2009 Late Fifth round pick
right?
by Keynes on Apr 26, 2009 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great point.
It’s not just the touchbacks. What was the average starting field position of our opponents after the kickoffs?? That’s what’s important. I think one way or the other we’ll still come out of this with a good kicker but I don’t want 3 kickers on the roster. I would have just let Folk try things out with a new special teams coach. It’s not like Folk had never had a touchback in his entire football career. He could do it in college but then doesn’t do it with us. That tells me that it’s probably not him. After all, it’s a 100 yard field in college and the NFL.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
by kameleon_o on Apr 26, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 and even at that
You don;t have NFL teams looking to draft a KO specialist in the fifth round because their kicker lacks the leg strength to kick it through the back. It was not a smart decision. Arrogance abounds at VR
by cow_fanatic on Apr 26, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can only dress so many players
If you dress 3 kickers then who stays home?? An O-linemen or a LB?? Is that worth it??
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by kameleon_o on Apr 26, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently
one of the many linebackers they drafted today will have to stay at home
by cow_fanatic on Apr 26, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just read Scouts.Inc's draft analysis for the Cowboys
They’d say something good about the player and then follow almost everyone of them up with “However”. Not good.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
by kameleon_o on Apr 26, 2009 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that's the case with every player
There are always offsetting negatives
by StillHateTheGiants on Apr 26, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My snapshot of this draft
2nd round we trade out of at 51
OT William Beatty goes at 60
S/CB Sean Smith goes at 61
As a result of trading out we obtain:
OG Robert Brewster
DE43 Victor Butler
Would you trade Brewster and Butler straight up for one of those players?
by cow_fanatic on Apr 26, 2009 6:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
not then, but maybe later
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 26, 2009 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't have the ability
to look back after the draft. You trust your board and take value when you can get it
by cow_fanatic on Apr 26, 2009 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
maybe they did go off their board?
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 26, 2009 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe their board was wrong and mine was right :)
by cow_fanatic on Apr 26, 2009 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
by kameleon_o on Apr 26, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe they thought their guys have potential and those dudes will hit the ceiling during preseason
Trust them...they know what they're doing.
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 26, 2009 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
I think Butler’s gonna be good.
Jerry Jones could go in his sock, slap you wit a stack of hundreds, then catch you again on the backswing wit 3 Super Bowl rings. So who the hell are you makin' fun of?
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Apr 26, 2009 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Watching them take a bunch of OLB's...
I’m wondering about your previous comments regarding Spencer.
I’m worried big time now.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 26, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Butler a 3-4 DE or another OLB tweener?
just curious
by mdlusk on Apr 26, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This draft was given to all the coaches; they each got to pick their men.
It’s all a setup to ensure the D has depth for next year’s offensively heavy draft.
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 26, 2009 6:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Simpson Era on thin ice...
Tex is glad to be back from the pipelines of El Paso. A dry Saturday, only to take a shot at the quarterback of the future on day two. The Simpsons Era in Dallas has an expiration date. Stephen McGee should light a fire under the plus-sized ass of the best quarterback never to win a playoff game, or its curtains. Good to be home in Montecito.
by Montecito Tex on Apr 26, 2009 6:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
you're awesome, dude! yeehawww!
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 26, 2009 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aaaaaaah
will you be ordering you’re Stephen McGee jersey soon?
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 26, 2009 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He can hang it next to Henson's
by Musiccitynorm on Apr 26, 2009 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tex
I wanted McGee drafted all along as many did. But, as a developemental quarterback. He’s a quality prospect that will learn in time and down the road may be the backup. Don’t think he is a threat to Tony any time soon.
by oldboysfan on Apr 26, 2009 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Upgrading
scrubs and special teams and hoping to find a diamond in the rough.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
by OskieOskie on Apr 26, 2009 6:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I was worried about our depth at kicker.
Well, it was silly of me to question the draft plan yesterday. Our third string and practice squad is going to get some stiff competition from these guys, and next year, we can replace them with more interchangeable mediocre players.
by Baked Potato Soup on Apr 26, 2009 6:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Its kinda nice everyones taking a wait and see approach.
This was a bizarre draft that iff it had taken place before BP we would be slitting our wrists or storming Texas Stadium ready to burn it down. With some success we had recently it seems people are gonna go with the benefit of doubt. Nothing wrong with high motor guys and I like to think we have a few diamond in the rough guys in here.
Whens training camp?
The Democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson
by squidlo97 on Apr 26, 2009 6:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone decent go undrafted?
Roger Allen, Frantz Joseph, Dudley Guice?
Hopefully we’re active in the next couple days.
by NerdVernacular on Apr 26, 2009 6:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
my thoughts
69 Williams, Jason(OLB), Western Illinois
will be ILB, Love the pick, Carp is gone with this pick.
75 Brewster, Robert (OT), Ball State
would have preferred more selections on the o-line plus this one could have been made later, would have preferred a guard who can play C such as Lang, though there are some udfa`s that might get a call to compete.
101 McGee, Stephen (QB), Texas A&M
a wildcat and 3rd string he will see game action sooner than you think and will be number 2 in 2yrs.
110 Butler, Victor (OLB), Oregon State
not sure if this pick means the end of Greg Ellis days as a Cowboy.
120 Williams, *Brandon (DE), Texas Tech
but this one sure does.
143 Smith, DeAngelo (CB), Cincinnati
good depth in the secondary.
166 Hamlin, Michael (SS), Clemson
my guess is safety will be a priority next yr.
172 Buehler, David (K), Southern Cal
a kickoff specialist? no booming legs as udfa?
197 Hodge, Stephen (OLB), TCU
good special teamer…again and could fill the role of coverage lb on passing downs.
208 Phillips, John (TE), Virginia
we need a blocking te, upgrade over Curtis.
227 Mickens, Mike (CB), Cincinnati
a steal if healthy.
229 Johnson, Manuel (WR), Oklahoma
should have went with Jeremy Gilchrist the best punt returner in the draft.
6 reaches/ 1 value pick/ 5 even value
by ziggy19 on Apr 26, 2009 6:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A note on TE-- Curtis is gone
Curtis hasn’t been on the roster for a little bit— Hannah’s our third TE.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Apr 26, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Curtis wasn't much of a blocker...
and I love the guy. Played at my alma mater.
by BVandy on Apr 26, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Portland St.?
Trust them...they know what they're doing.
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 26, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cool, I used to live in Beaverton & Tigard.
Trust them...they know what they're doing.
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 27, 2009 2:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't you tell by all my...
homer Oregon State comments?
by BVandy on Apr 26, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i`m referring upgrade over
last yr, i know Curtis has been gone for quite a while now.
by ziggy19 on Apr 26, 2009 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would have drafted 11 punters and a TE
but at least we got a kicker to take up a roster spot
by bad knees on Apr 26, 2009 6:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Blown away that we actually drafted 12 players
Don’t think anybody would have predicted that last week.
As others have said, not much point in evaluating the draft immediately, especially when you’re dealing with a lot of second day guys who most of us have not seen film on. That said, Hamlin doesn’t seem like much of a player to me— as Jim Schwartz said yesterday in his press conference, the in-the-box safety who can’t be interchanged as a deeper cover guy is going the way of the dinosaur. There’s a reason no one has signed Roy L. Williams, and Hamlin seems like he could be a valuable special teamer but won’t be getting on the field for many actual defensive snaps.
That’s a fine result for a pick at that point in the draft, though— I’m not pushing for an immediate starter at #166. Just an observation on the state of the safety position in the NFL, that DeAngelo Smith, a CB conversion project, is probably a better candidate to see the field than Hamlin, who is a true SS.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Apr 26, 2009 6:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
10 Special Teams Players + 1QB & 1OG
Subject line says it all.
by hdc on Apr 26, 2009 6:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Would anyone trade
Buehler for Morgan Trent right now?
by cow_fanatic on Apr 26, 2009 6:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd trade Buehler
for anybody not a kicker
by sgtcwby on Apr 26, 2009 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too.
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by kameleon_o on Apr 26, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Being one that honestly believed
The Cowboys would never draft 11 players. This is amazing. There is a number of players that went before they were ranked. A number of good players dropped. I like our CB’s and Safetys . They filled needs and look like improved the special teams greatly . Not a glamour draft. Should blow up the back end of the team.
by oldboysfan on Apr 26, 2009 6:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not a glamour draft. Should blow up the back end of the team
There is going to be one hell of a battle in camp this year. I think there are some players on this team that probably are to dumb to relize thier jobs are on the line. I have a hunch Carpenter could care less.
by Musiccitynorm on Apr 26, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
one thing i must say
I trust wade picking 3-4 linebackers…he has a good feel for them so lets see how it plays out with those…
by scandrick32 on Apr 26, 2009 6:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wish he'd been right about Spencer.
That would be a big help
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by kameleon_o on Apr 26, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that all revolves around Mr. Ellis and what left they can squeeze out of him.
Once they have a proven backup to groom behind Spencer, he is gone. But right now Ellis knows he is in an organizational “pickle”….and whining about it.
Spencer is legit.
by rotovibe on Apr 26, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I sure hope so
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by kameleon_o on Apr 26, 2009 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's Ellis that wants to squeeze Dallas
…for money.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 26, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
would be funny to see S Hamilin and SS Hamlin playing next to eachother...
by VTcowboys16 on Apr 26, 2009 6:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Michael Hamlin is a multi-year starter at Clemson
He should be pretty polished. I’ve seen him playing at Clemson, and I think he’ll be fine.if not Ed Reed or Bob Sanders. Granted I haven’t been focusing on his play, but Clemson’s pass defense was pretty stout, and Hamlin was a good reason for it.
by mdlusk on Apr 26, 2009 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the picks, a complete bore the first day, but I like these picks.
Stephen McGee is an insurance policy. Mark my words – based on this guy’s tape – he will be a pretty decent QB. He’s got an arm and is surprisingly comfortable in the pocket even though he is a burner. His relatively sparse senior season scared most teams. Aside from being in a run-option oriented scheme – this guy has an enormous upside if he develops behind the scenes like he will have the chance to do.
He is the best senior QB on this draft. If Romo doesn’t pan out and McGee is nurtured like royalty, we will have the future franchise QB, post-Romo, on the team allready.
Brewster will be a good guard. We really need to clean our OL stable, sorry – but our current backup guys have no chance at pigskin glory.
I really do think Jason Williams will be a contributor. I forsee Carpenter being traded after the pre-season dust settles and the first wave of league injuries kick in.
by rotovibe on Apr 26, 2009 6:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Buehler...Buehler...Beuhler....
Maybe we’ll find him singing in a parade instead of being in training camp.
by mdlusk on Apr 26, 2009 6:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Twist and Shout...c'mon, c'mon,c'mon baby now...
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 26, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That song will be blasting in the new stadium on every kickoff
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Apr 26, 2009 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I know, sorry
just couldn’t resist
by mdlusk on Apr 26, 2009 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hindsight will always be 20/20, but...
We made 12 selections and…
Not one single OT was selected.
Not one Defensive lineman was selected (Spears is likely gone after ’09, right?).
Safety, which most posters thought was our largest pre-draft need, was not addressed until our 7th selction.
Henry and Pacrat left and we didn’t pick a CB until our 6th selection, but watched the WR corps for our division foes get more talented.
We took a Kicker (?).
My guess is that the grades that come out this week from the talking heads won’t be kind to the Dallas brass, and I for one won’t blame them. Cowboys apologists will scream things like the value of special teams and such, but you don’t DRAFT for special teams, you find positional depth that can also add value by playing Specials.
These players add up to a mish-mosh of talent that suggests the war room was ill prepared to see the players they targeted come off the board sooner than they hoped.
The one hope I have is that this class has some of the chemical elements that have been missing in the Cowboys locker room for years and can add toughness, hard work and nastiness to a team so sorely in need of those traits.
All in all, as I watch the personnel moves taking place in Dallas since Tuna’s departure, it’s hard to think this is anything but a repeat of the drafts when Lacewell and Jones were killing the talent base left to them by Jimmy Johnson while high-fiving each other in the war room after every Quincy carter, Dwayne Goodrich and David LaFleur selection.
Too bad for us.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 26, 2009 7:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Your wrong
This is nothing like drafts in Jerry’s past. Thier is no bling or sparkle. They are all players with talent and without baggage.
I was just thinking this has Parcells thumbprint all over it. Parcells was the king of drafting people I knew nothing about. Does this not seem like a Parcells draft?
by Musiccitynorm on Apr 26, 2009 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is lacking in...
kids of his former players.
by BVandy on Apr 26, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
Look back at non-Jimmy and non-Tuna drafts, espcially ones where we traded down the majority of the time.
It is EXACTLY the same. Fans left scratching their heads. Players not ready for prime time.
This isn’t a league where you can draft for special teams. Salary caps kill that notion.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 26, 2009 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No...
Jerry drafted guys w/ huge risk/reward factors. It is hard to say the same with no picks in the first 2 rounds.
by BVandy on Apr 26, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They had a pick in Rd 2
You forgot they CHOSE to ditch it.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 26, 2009 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't agree
I’m not jumping up and down over this draft but this is nothing like Jerry’s drafts in the past. I don’t see the high risk picks, just picks that don’t seem to fit our needs. That reminds me of Parcells.
by Musiccitynorm on Apr 26, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I'm disappointed
How much value did we actually get out of our picks?? Maybe Mickens and Hamlin IMO. I think Williams might be a good player but that early?? It just looks like we drafted a bunch of camp bodies. Just a bunch of Waldens who won’t make the team. I like the idea of churning the bottom of the roster but I’m not sure if most of these guys are good enough to do that. Jeez…
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
by kameleon_o on Apr 26, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's play a game of "Where's Walden?"
nt
by mdlusk on Apr 26, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
by kameleon_o on Apr 26, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I really hope Sensi works outs.
If not we are going to have another dissapointing season and be back the here the same time next year saying we still have to fix the safety position.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
by houseofprime on Apr 26, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you think about it...
That could be the biggest difference maker for us in 2009.
If he fails, Dallas gets torched.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 26, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it fails...
Dallas will be exactly like last year defensively.
No way is sensi worse than Keith Davis.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 26, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
New system
New chemistry.
No way he can be worse? Ask the Raiders about Gibril Wilson.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 26, 2009 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Eagles have really had a great offseason.
I may come to tears if they get Scheffler as well. They are the favorite to win the NFC right now to me.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
by houseofprime on Apr 26, 2009 7:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+!
Super Bowl representatives from the NFC.
Far and away the favorites. The only downside is the possible contract squabble with McGroin.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 26, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant +1
duh
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 26, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to say I like this death match mentality
No more free rides for the non producers.
Also we did load up on secondary reinforcement as well as LB’s. There is some good talent in that haul.
I never held hope for anything past a developmental LT, so the fact that they didn’t pick anyone up doesn’t down grade the draft class for me. All the good LT prospects went in the 1st round.
Maybe they sign a couple guy as RFA’s. Joel Bell, Cadogan, and Jason Watkins made it thru without getting picked so maybe they luck out there.
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by APerfectStar on Apr 26, 2009 7:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So you're ready to go in with Doug Free if Glozell the old Hotel goes down?
I get what you’re saying about who was and wasn’t available, but to take NOBODY?
I dunno.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 26, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep it sucks.
But it’s really the same spot they were in last year. Alot of the offense’s success will lie with the o-line staying healthy and Garrett being innovative.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 26, 2009 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so easy
for the peanut gallery to criticize without offering alternatives. What would you have done? Specifically, what moves would you have made to keep bitchy fans quiet?
by Joey2zs on Apr 26, 2009 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
damn joey
I haven’t ever seen you that defensive before.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 26, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I don't know...
MAYBE DRAFT A TACKLE?
Just read the thread first, will ya?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 26, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not against it but...
What left tackle that dallas could have drafted would have realistically been ready to play this year anyways?
Maybe one of them but more then likely not.
Free might have come in anyways.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 26, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beatty was a steal at #51
Not sure what they were thinking.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 26, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A steal? Right...
that’s why he went at 61.
by falconPUNCH on Apr 26, 2009 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seek my recent posts out
about who to draft instead of a kicker in the 5th and who you should have got in the second
by cow_fanatic on Apr 26, 2009 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know you like Troy Gopork (did you chant it)
But given Free has spent 2 seasons in the program, he’s got to be a suitable backup by now. If not, then maybe they might have tried harder to get someone. I don’t know either but it makes sense.
Next season, if Free hasn’t turned the corner, then I think LT is priority number 1.
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by APerfectStar on Apr 26, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I heard it being chanted at Radio City!!!
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 26, 2009 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
I think I heard it too.
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by APerfectStar on Apr 26, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Imagine the advertising endorsements for that guy in Texas
Ribs, chops, BBQ…oh man!
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 26, 2009 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With each pick that came I was pretty confused and pretty frustrated
But now that it’s had some time to sink in, I kinda like what we’ve done here. Job insecurity can really force guys to step up their games. It will expose the ones that don’t like to put their heart and soul into the game and let the one’s that do love it, shine.
Not one of my faves got picked by us but as long as we get some ballers out of this draft, I won’t be too upset.
by sublimezg on Apr 26, 2009 7:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I doubt the starters are that worried about people like Stephen Hodge
…and if he does win a job, doesn’t that just mean we traded bad for bad?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 26, 2009 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm staying positive
Hodge is the second coming of Woody!
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by APerfectStar on Apr 26, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he comes anything close to Woody, I'd be giving this draft a B+
by DCowboy on Apr 26, 2009 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he is the 2nd coming of Woody...
we should be giving it more than a B+, right Carl? Personally, I would be a little more than happy.
by BVandy on Apr 26, 2009 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol...I will say Hodge is the second coming of 90's Cowboy..LB- Darren Smith...inside dime lb/s/special teams ace...
Hodge was a great pick, at the right spot………..gets my endorsement…if that means anything :-)
by My_2_Cents on Apr 26, 2009 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
problem is we don't have 4-3 defense anymore
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 26, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just a thought but
did you ever consider the fact that maybe some of these guys GASP won’t suck?
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 26, 2009 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did like what I read about Mickens and Smith.
They both have good ball skills which is sorely lacking in this secondary.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
by houseofprime on Apr 26, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I can’t believe we ended up with both, plus Hamlin, even if just one of them turns into a stud, it’s a successful haul.
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by APerfectStar on Apr 26, 2009 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, I'm as hopeful as the next guy, but I have to view this through objective lenses
Computer says no…
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 26, 2009 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it means it's a slight upgrade
and that’s what you always strive for. Always upward. We didn’t have 12, 1’st rounders you know.
by sublimezg on Apr 26, 2009 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It didn't look like the team had a plan
12 picks and not a single guy who is starter material?
Who among these guys do you see as replacing anyone other than a backup, even after a couple of years of development?
The only ones I see, are Buehler, because he’ll start on kickoffs, and maybe Jason Williams, if he’s sturdy enough to take over as an ILB once Brookings is gone.
Last year we got high quality depth, and it wasn’t all in the first round. Aside from Felix and Jenkins, we got Bennett late in round 2, Scandrick, and Choice.
In 12 picks this year I’m not sure any of these guys are as good as those 5 picks from last season.
Remember, we weren’t a playoff team last season. We needed to improve our starting lineup, not just churn the bottom of the roster.
by VAfan on Apr 26, 2009 7:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Career backups and many chosen too early. Say what you want about choosing at the appropriate time, but how many of these guys might not have gotten drafted at all?
I think they had a ‘Plan A’, but what about their Plans B, C and D???
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 26, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats what I'm most upset about.
Right now it doesn’t look like any of these guys will start this year. Williams possibly could beat out Brooking but thats about it to me.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
by houseofprime on Apr 26, 2009 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who could they have drafted to start??
Who? Oh…
by falconPUNCH on Apr 26, 2009 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really liked Sean Smith and he was there at 51.
He could have beaten out Sensabaugh.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
by houseofprime on Apr 26, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
HA!
Sensebaugh is a tough aggressive SS. Sean Smith is definitely not a strong safety, and never will be.
by quincyyyyy on Apr 26, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hamlin is really a strong safety though.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
by houseofprime on Apr 26, 2009 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sensebaugh is a better tackler than Hamlin though
by quincyyyyy on Apr 26, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You realize that now it is necessary to specify which Hamlin?
I know you mean the one we already have now, though. :)
by mdlusk on Apr 26, 2009 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe not after after Training Camp
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 26, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way in hell...
does a guy who has barely ever played CB start over a verteran NFL safety at that position.
by BVandy on Apr 26, 2009 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how many open starting spots did we really have?
no way a wr beats out austin or crayton
The oline is pretty much set
Dlinie is pretty much set
The only two relatively open spots are brooking’s ilb position and sensabaugh’s safety position, and it sounds like the coaches are very high on sensi.
The Roy trade meant that we weren’t going to be able to find more than one immediate starter in this draft, and thats the bottom line.
by foyesboys on Apr 26, 2009 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone
know of an online list showing the best guys available as UFA?
Tom Grieve is my hero.
by tasan on Apr 26, 2009 7:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone know when we start nabbing our UFA's
by sublimezg on Apr 26, 2009 7:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Right now
we just signed WR Ogltree UVA
http://www.nfldraftbible.com/
by quincyyyyy on Apr 26, 2009 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A speedy WR
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by APerfectStar on Apr 26, 2009 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right after the draft is over
they start calling the undrafted players. I think
by DCowboy on Apr 26, 2009 7:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
UFA's aren't going to help the team
We were 9-7 last year. How are we going to pass the Giants and Eagles with UFAs?
by VAfan on Apr 26, 2009 7:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
ridiculous to say this
1st, there is little evidence that we are worse than the giants and eagles. Sorry,I’ll take roy williams over Nicks and the ramses. The Eagles have had at least 1 draft recently that the experts graded an Aplus that didn’t pan out (the bunkley draft). Instead of taking a bruiser like Beanie wells who would’ve helped them tremendously, they took another short quick wr in maclin. I guess that means they still plan on throwing the ball a ton, which is unfortunate cause that means more plays that they get to see other des/olbs in the division blow by peters.
by foyesboys on Apr 26, 2009 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except they both finished ahead of us last year
How have we helped ourselves?
1. We’re weaker at WR, perhaps by a lot. Whatever you think of TO, he’s a hall of fame quality receiver. Teams can now stack the line, blitz Romo mercilessly, and not worry much about getting burned.
2. We’ve lost depth on the D-line. Tank Johnson wasn’t great, but he was quality depth. Chris Canty was a very solid starter. We replace Canty with Olshansky, which might be close to a push, but who is taking Johnson’s job as backup nose tackle?
3. We’re no better on the O-line. This unit played worse under Houck than it did under Sparano, and we’re no closer to finding some youthful replacements. Brewster is likely to be inactive the whole year, just as Free was his first year. We need to elevate our running game, and might if Kosier stays healthy. But if he or someone else goes down again, we’re no closer to fixing the problem.
4. Are we better at LB? Is Brooking better than Zach Thomas? I can’t see Jason Williams being close to Kevin Burnett yet. And we all know Bobby C. is a bust. Maybe we added backup depth at OLB in this draft, maybe we didn’t. Would any of you want to see our draft guys in the lineup this season? We’d be a in a world of hurt.
The places we have improved may not help.
1. Backup QB is way better off now with Kitna and McGee. But you never want to see these guys in the game.
2. Our defensive backfield may be slightly improved. Sensabaugh is an upgrade at safety. We drafted 3 guys for depth. Still, I’m not seeing a huge improvement, just a marginal one.
3. If Buehler sticks, our kickoffs will be deeper. For that we’ll have to sacrifice some game day depth.
4. Special teams should be better under a new coach. And the draftees who make the roster may do well here. But that has yet to be seen.
This is a team that’s going to have to win with its defense and running game, with more of a play action passing attack. Can Garrett coach that way? He didn’t do it last year.
by VAfan on Apr 26, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Much depends on
If Romo and Roy connect in such a way that TO is not missed
by BishopWest on Apr 26, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe too much, Bishop...
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 26, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, Roy has been working hard in the off season
and Romo won’t feel compelled to have to throw to TO 18 times a game.
We’ll see?
by BishopWest on Apr 26, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and hey
we’ll start the year healthy… unlike the way we ended last year
by CowboysFan4Life on Apr 26, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TO was declining last year
he was rounding out routes, and while he still required a double, did little to break it. Roy has the potential to be TO from 2007.
Oline – we’re not better, but we’re healthy now. That can’t be disregarded.
Tank didn’t exactly do much for us last year. Given that we chose not to take a NT, i think they probably like Siavi.
At linebacker, we’ve added a ton of depth this draft. The only guy we really lost was burnett, and williams absolutely has the potential to replace him. Also, carpenter is there to (maybe…if someone beats him out, it only improves the roster). It wouldn’t be crazy to expect one of our 3 top 4 round lbers to make an immediate contribution.
Now for the places we’ve improved:
I think its interesting tat you brought up the oline depth issue and skimmed over the fact we greatly improved our qb depth. I hate to say it, but Romo isn’t exactly sturdy – in 07, he had issues with his thumb that threw his game off, got hurt in the minnesota game and was rendered helpless at halftime, and in 08 he missed 3 with the pinky injury and really never looked healthy to me afterwards – missing all the normal slant routes he normally hits.
I agree with you about the marginal improvement in the secondary, but keep in mind that jenkins and scandrick get another year of experience.
The special teams improvement could be HUGE. Think 3-4 yards worse starting field position for the defense per kickoff. Think our pro bowl punter actually playing. Think possibly capable returners (Felix for one) playing. This can’t be understated.Special teams lost the arizona game for us last year and gave up a game changing play against pittsburgh.
and who says we’re going to have to win with our run game? You’re not giving Roy, Austin, Crayton, Witten and Bennet enough credit.
by foyesboys on Apr 26, 2009 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
teams aren't going to stack the line against us, that would be stupid
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 26, 2009 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
UDFA's
They need to chase Cadogan IMO.
Huge need at backup RT.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 26, 2009 7:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dallas Blew The Draft
By not trading up a few spots to snag Unger. This couldn’t have cost much and we would have had a sure fire solution to our offensive line depth and a future starter. I like all of the infusion of young talent but this could have been had even if we had made a stronger move into day one. The kicker pick seems goofy, surely there are strong legs in UDFA crop; don’t get the TE pick with Hannah out there . . . I am worried that on a relative scale we are not better today than our key competitors. On the other hand, maybe it is time for the difference makers to step up.
by Iowacowboy on Apr 26, 2009 7:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That headline just sounds wrong...
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 26, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just remember...
Seattle traded in front of Dallas to get Unger.
by BVandy on Apr 26, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But that should have triggered Dallas to put a new plan in place
Instead it seemed like Cisky just mailed it in…
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 26, 2009 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which plan should he have put in place...
trade all your draft picks so they can pick up a bunch of guys who will start in 3 years, but will be drafted in rounds 2-3?
If Jerry had traded all his picks that he could trade to move up into the 2-3 rounds after Unger & Massaquoi got selected, I think we would wind up less satisfied in 3 years.
by BVandy on Apr 26, 2009 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they really got screwed up by what other teams did right in front of their picks
Unger was one of my favorites as well, then the Bears took Jarron Gilbert with the 68th pick and to make matters worse we passed on Rashad a couple of time to loose to the Cards, just awful
by DCowboy on Apr 26, 2009 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we weren't the only team to pass on rashad
by foyesboys on Apr 26, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dont understand that logic
Just because other teams pass on a player doens’t validate our choice to do the same or even create correlative relationships.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 26, 2009 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i understand what you're saying,
im just pointing out that obviously our coaching staff didn’t like something in him that quite a few other teams saw too.
by foyesboys on Apr 26, 2009 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That could be it
but it could also be that Dallas thinks more highly of it’s Safeties and NT’s than outsiders. If true, that’s on Wade and the staff.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 26, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The TE Phillips is a better blocker probably
I think they wanted Anthony Hill, but he went early. I was sure they would take a big blocking TE to help with the run game.
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by APerfectStar on Apr 26, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see why everyone was so upset with this pick
we probably are going to run some two tight end offenses next year. The guy seems to be an improvement over tony curtis. Why not improve a position where you probably will need depth?
by foyesboys on Apr 26, 2009 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
It would have made a draft of special team players a lot easier to digest.
by cowboy1966 on Apr 26, 2009 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was a very good post.
That’s pretty much how I feel. Very indifferent.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 26, 2009 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d be surprised to see six of the picks make the final roster. What a crap draft this year. On the upside, we just got really good on punt coverage. At best.
by Tech92 on Apr 26, 2009 7:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Look out NFC East, here we come!
just kidding. Actually the team as is should be good, if Roy and one of the multitude of safeties pan out.
by mdlusk on Apr 26, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
remember...
Rafael said 4 picks could likely make the roster. If 6 did, it would be one helluva draft.
by BVandy on Apr 26, 2009 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think its going to be six.
J Williams, Brewster, Mcgee, Butler, Mickens, and Hall/Hamlin.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
by houseofprime on Apr 26, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'M SICK OF THESE STUPID COWBOYS DRAFTS!!!
GOD!!! LOOK AT THE EAGLES! THEY GOT BRODRICK BUNKLEY, WINSTON JUSTICE, CHRIS GOCONG, MAX JEAN-GILLES, AND JEREMY BLOOM!
WHY CAN’T WE DRAFT THESE NAME PLAYERS! THEY’RE GREAT PLAYERS!!! AND THEY CAN START FOR US NOW!!
by falconPUNCH on Apr 26, 2009 7:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
As I said earlier the Eagles are the favorites to win the NFC.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
by houseofprime on Apr 26, 2009 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you may have missed the sarcasm.
By the way, who was happy to see Justice get blown up by the Giants last year after a similarly despondent draft board was furious we didn’t pick him then?
by BVandy on Apr 26, 2009 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I didn't miss the sarcasm.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
by houseofprime on Apr 26, 2009 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am disappointed with
this draft, but I don’t think any of the rookies would have come in and taken a starter role away from anybody. Same goes for Philly . There’s going to be some exceptions but I dont see a lot of rookies starting in this draft.
by DCowboy on Apr 26, 2009 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'll take the cowboys
over the eagles anyday…
ther defense is lame
i hope you all remember writing off the cowboys this early without even seeing them all together healthy at at least a training camp
by CowboysFan4Life on Apr 26, 2009 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe...
the appropriate infomercial reference is, “Stop the insanity!”
by BVandy on Apr 26, 2009 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
just think...
if free agency and the draft possibly fixed out problems at safety, added depth to our secondary, shored up our special teams…then I would be happy. Only time will tell if this is the case, but I am hopeful. The only things not addressed were more depth behind our WR and backups for our Oline… This is the way I am going to look at it until preseason/regular season starts…
by VTcowboys16 on Apr 26, 2009 7:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The problem with more depth at WR is...
we will only dress 4-5 on game day. Nobody we had a chance of drafting would supplant the existing roster. So we are hoping that we can sneak a WR to the practice squad that nobody will notice is a rough gem?
Our WRs on game day are: RW, Miles Austin, Patrick Crayton, Sam Hurd & Isiah Stanback. Nobody we could have selected post 51 would have cracked that.
by BVandy on Apr 26, 2009 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not True
Travis Wilson could supplant Stanback.
So can Manuel Johnson.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 26, 2009 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you underestimate...
what it takes to learn the position in the NFL. Did you see the tapes of all the “stud” receivers? Ever see press coverage?
by BVandy on Apr 26, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Travis Wilson
I forgot about Travis Wilson, I agree.. he could surprise some people in camp.
by TK19 on Apr 26, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate everything I've ever read about Travis Wilson
Go do a search on him here at SBN on the previous teams he’s been on. Bleh
by sublimezg on Apr 26, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go search Stanback
Oh wait, you find ANYTHING…
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 26, 2009 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dudley Guice
Guice is an UDFA and is better than Stanback. I liked the Stanback pick whenever we got him, but I just don’t see him ever staying healthy enough to produce as a WR in this league.
by TK19 on Apr 26, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lets take a look at the big picture
QB-Romo —NO-NO
RB-MBIII/Felix -
FB-Cricket —NO-NO
WR-RW -
WR-Crayton —Maybe-NO
TE-Witten -
LT-Adams —NO-NO
LG-Kosier -
C-Gurade —NO-NO
RG-Bigg -
RT-Colombo —-NO
DE-Igor —NO-NO
DT-Rat -
DE-Spears —Maybe-NO
OLB-Ware -
ILB-James —NO-NO
ILB-Brookings -
OLB-Ellis/Spencer —NO-NO
CB-TNew -
CB-Jenkins/Scandrick —NO-Maybe, but probably NO
SS-Sensabaugh -
FS-KHamlin —-NO
So really, there was only 3 spots that really have the possibility of anyone competing. Make it 2 if you believe that they REALLY want Sensabaugh starting, which I believe. Spears works at DE for now. WR is really the only spot, and at 51 this year you AREN’T getting a starter via the draft. Now, there were some situational slots available, like nickel backer, dime corner, 3rd TE, backup OL that needed to be plugged, along with getting guys to play special teams. These spots were all filled with guys that can be groomed down the road for bigger things. This draft was never going to be about starters, it didn’t need to be. Our 22 already stack up against everyone else’s 22 real good, we just need to kept the key ones healthy. Depth and special teams was the plan this draft day, and they hit it real well.
Tom Grieve is my hero.
by tasan on Apr 26, 2009 7:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
eep....seem to have hit the strikethrough code by mistake, sorry about that, disregard the strikethroughs
Tom Grieve is my hero.
by tasan on Apr 26, 2009 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kinda hard to do that, given their prominence...
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 26, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So your saying Mcgee can't beat Romo.
Will see about that.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
by houseofprime on Apr 26, 2009 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll say that...
McGee to Stanback, the “all torn up shoulder from the 4th round” connection.
Yeah, good.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 26, 2009 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hakuna Matata
Romo has NO WORRIES – especially with McGee
by BishopWest on Apr 26, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you see a potential starter in what we picked?
MBIII wasn’t a “starter.” Neither was Scandrick. Or Choice. Or Bennett. Or James. Or Ratliff. Or Crayton. Or Gurode. Or Romo.
Just think of how many guys on our present roster were picked in rounds 2 or below who are starting now but who didn’t start right away.
My problem with this draft is that I don’t see ANYONE on it even developing into a quality starting player. Maybe they will. But I don’t have the same feeling I had about any of them that I had about these other guys. I see a bunch of special teams guys, dime backs or linebackers, a kickoff specialist, and not much else. They’ll give the bottom of our roster some competition, but that just means we’ll be replacing guys who couldn’t cut it over a few years with new guys we’ll have to churn off the team after their 2-3 year stint is up.
Take MBIII, Canty, Scandrick, and Choice as examples. 4 fourth round guys. On draft day, you could see significant value in all of them. MBIII was a quality back at Minnesota. Canty’s stock dropped b/c of his eye injury. Scandrick had blazing speed. Choice was another solid all-around back. I wanted someone like this, especially with 5 picks in the 3rd and 4th rounds. Maybe one or two of the guys we picked will turn out to be real players, but I’m not getting the same vibe I got with those earlier picks.
by VAfan on Apr 26, 2009 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
mickens, williams
are potentially starting caliber players. If nothing else, mickens give us more insurance in the case that Newman’s injuries persist. Hamlin and the other cincy cb could be valuable contributors.
by foyesboys on Apr 26, 2009 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rams signed roger allen
Just FYI for those of you who were hopeful.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 26, 2009 7:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
special teams, ...
I hope that explains this years draft. I kept seeing us pass on Jamon Meredith from South Carolina and Duke Robinson from Oklahoma. I am not sure why we did not pick one of them??
One thing to keep in mind is that currently these guys are only names. We will only be able to accurately evaluate them in a few years. I will keep telling myself that for the next few months.
by eightball on Apr 26, 2009 7:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Because we LOVE Procter!!!
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 26, 2009 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
because they are overrated
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 26, 2009 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
God I hope your right
I’m imagining the nightmare of Duke becoming a Pro Bowl LG for Carolina and their RB tandem putting up over 2000 yds a season.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Apr 26, 2009 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They hit the jackpot with Otah
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 26, 2009 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's pretty much a maxim
in Profootball, that if Jerry Jones and Wade Phillps are invovled in something, it’s a complete and utter joke!
That said, though I second Grizz’s comment that I haven’t a clue about a single one of these 12 players the Cowboys just drafted, I find it hard to believe that 3 – 4 of these Draftees are not in fact, “Players”, and may actually help the Cowboys in a year or two, if not sooner.
It’s not as sexy nor immediately apparent as last year’s draft, but I think there’s some solid players here, who will help the roster, so I don’t see it as complete loss as some people are saying.
by Dale in Atlanta on Apr 26, 2009 7:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I love that magazine
Great jokes and scantily clad hotties.
Oh wait, you were talking about something else entirely.
Sorry.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 26, 2009 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Duke Robinson
Robinson DOES NOT fit our profile for drafting guys. We wanted guys who come to practice everyday and work to get better. The reason Duke went so late is because people questioned his work ethic. And quite frankly I’m tired of wasting picks on guys who have a ton of talent but refuse to work to get better. Duke will probably not get any better than he is right now, and right now he’s not good enough to start for an NFL team.
by TK19 on Apr 26, 2009 7:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
I think that is the one saving grace here. Cleaning up the locker room and inserting hard-nosed players will help. But where were the McKillops and such that fit that bill so well?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 26, 2009 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
McKillop
I think the reason we didn’t get McKillop is because Jerry and the staff seem so high on Williams. For better or worse they think Williams is going to be the better player.
by TK19 on Apr 26, 2009 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe, but williams didn't produce like McKillop on the field and looks "tweenerish"
And if the word “tweenerish” sticks, I am copywriting it, so you could be charged a fee for using it.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 26, 2009 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like I said
for better or worse, Williams is our guy. I’m reserving judgment on that decision by the ’boys.
by TK19 on Apr 26, 2009 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I liked what the Cowboys did in this draft
The bottom of the roster needs to be churned around and by drafting 12 players our backups are going to really have to improve to make the team. Its all about competition and I love it. The overall talent of the roster should be much improved.
We added a lot of great athletes for special team purposes as well.
I envy Grizz and Raf because training camp should be fun to watch this year with all this competition for the backup spots.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 26, 2009 7:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree, Terry
Just wonder how much cap hit we take when several players still under contract lose their roster spot?
by BishopWest on Apr 26, 2009 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, like 12
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 26, 2009 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
quarantee most of those rookies make the team
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 26, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
4 sounds about right
and would mean it was a decent draft
by StillHateTheGiants on Apr 26, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most is a majority
The majority of 12 would be 7 or more – wow that sounds a bit much to me, you really think so?
by BishopWest on Apr 26, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If 7 make it, we're in big trouble...
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 26, 2009 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why? they would all be backups, how could they be worse than our current backups?
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 26, 2009 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well...i think 5 is possible
Williams is a near lock. At least one of the olbs will make it. Hamlin very well could. They seem to be fine with having a kickoff specialist, but that depends obviously on how he does in camp. And I think one of the two cincinatti cbs will make it at least.
by foyesboys on Apr 26, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus McGee
He’s probably a lock
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Apr 26, 2009 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You think they will absolutely carry 3 QB's?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 26, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do
It’s the only way to protect and develop a young QB (that is as high profile as McGee), otherwise he’s easy pickings for vultures other teams. The Matt Moore debacle proved that. You just can’t hide a QB with an iota of talent on the PS.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Apr 27, 2009 2:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with Terry.....this team is purging the bottom roster.....I see 9 players making the roster....other 3 on practice squad.
ILB- Jason Williams – real deal………
OL- Brewster – seems to be a keeper, scouts must know something we don’t…..looks like future LG
QB- S McGee- definately sticking…Romo’s pet for the next 4-5 years…
OLB- Victor Butler- still scratching my head – Walden ? maybe….but he’s no sure bet.
OLB- Brandon Williams – better than Octavian and Rodgers ?…I think so..
DB- DeAngelo Smith – Here’s your eventual FS , and punt returner ?
SS- Michael Hamlin – I was touting him from the get go…He makes it no problem…back-up to Sensi, special teamer.
K- David Buehler- The more I think about this guy..the more I like him…
SS- Stephen Hodge – Love this guy…..Special team ace, and nickle/dime interior LB / Star Safety..
TE- John Phillips – The guy sure looks gifted as a receiver, but does he block well ?..good battle with TE- Hannah..
CB- Mike Mickens- This guy was a 1st round talent 6 months ago….better than Alan Ball …right now
WR- Manuel Johnson – Wasted pick, marginal talent, possible slot guy to eventually replace Crayton..slim chance..
by My_2_Cents on Apr 26, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hamlin from Clemson
Had 11 ints as a junior, he could be a steal. Campo will have him ready..
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
by Wmillion on Apr 26, 2009 7:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Any idea why he cratered last year?
I know the whole team crapped its pants, but why him?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 26, 2009 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm willing to bet the guy that wins a spot from Irvin's show outplays half of our draft picks
…and I bet that is why we drafted more scrubs than necessary.
Jerry has his mind on his money and his money on his mind!!!
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 26, 2009 8:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
5Blings, you're just being negative to be negative
How can you even put your name to a statement like that?
You’re not a draft expert. You’ve probably never even heard of Jason Williams or Robert Brewster before.
Who are you to question their work habits? If you want “impact” draft picks, then be an Eagles fan. You can have Winston Justice and Jeremy Bloom.
by falconPUNCH on Apr 26, 2009 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I lost you at 5Blings
It read like glass breaking.
I’m a fan, I pay big money to fly to games and have tickets at the stadium.
At some point you anointed yourself as the one who decides what is okay and not okay to opine on the blog. The good news is you’re the only one who belives that.
Come on outside your head sometime, the weather is fine out here in reality.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 26, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's neat
that you have opinions you like to share. yay for the internet that allows you to vomit every notion that crosses your mind.
by Joey2zs on Apr 26, 2009 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Constitutional Law
Read up on it sometime. Even the internet is not above the law…
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 26, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
5Blings, i'm sorry if you took my comment personal.
by falconPUNCH on Apr 26, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
I’m frustrated by a crappy draft and a shortage of Fat Tire.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 26, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I get that a lot
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 26, 2009 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
six pack, what's your favorite beer?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 26, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
graham harrell
i notice graham harrell didn’t get drafted .. maybe we can sign him for PS
by faenix on Apr 26, 2009 8:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Panthers signed him
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 26, 2009 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
damn the panthers taking our PS qb's
matt moore now this
by faenix on Apr 26, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Couple days ago, Raf said
that we needed to hit on at least 4 guys in the draft to have a quality draft
Just guessing, but I’m hoping these guys play well enough to keep and contribute:
1. Jason Williams ILB (Carp sits the bench or released)
2. Robert Brewster G (Proctor – bye, bye)
3. Butler or Williams OLB (Ellis this is your swan song)
4. DeAngelo Smith S (Watkins, you are the weakest link)
by BishopWest on Apr 26, 2009 8:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Carp to the Fins?
Get a 3rd in return?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 26, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Relax...Carp and Ellis aren't going anywhere....some of these guys are long shots to begin with...
They need to make the team first…The only locks I see out of this group are Jason Williams. Mickens and maybe McGee…
by Boyzfan94 on Apr 26, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was suggesting a Fasano-esque kind of trade
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 26, 2009 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and remember
it takes a year at least to transfer from DE to a OLB.
by cowboyfan on Apr 26, 2009 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Swan song...
it sounds beautiful. and, it’s about time.
by falconPUNCH on Apr 26, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Projected 6th round/UFA's will not outplay Ellis
You people just don’t get it. He is one of the most feared pass rushers in the league – even though he mainly covered receivers in the flat last year. 2 years ago, the defense collapsed completely when he went down. He is still the 2nd best LB on the team… and nobody else is close. Spencer is a joke and won’t be in the league in 3 years.
by JimmyJohnson on Apr 26, 2009 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ellis is one of the most feared pass rushers on the roster.
by falconPUNCH on Apr 26, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because he is great or because we only have Ware and then...?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 26, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True - but we only have two pass rushers
Ellis and Ware – so yes he is one of two
by BishopWest on Apr 26, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spencer passed him by last season..
by Boyzfan94 on Apr 26, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
give me the stats and I'll believe you
by BishopWest on Apr 26, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you watch him last year? what did Ellis do? Ellis looked old and tired
by Boyzfan94 on Apr 26, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ellis shut Kellen Winslow down... Looks old and tired to me
by JimmyJohnson on Apr 26, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe this
refreshes your memory:
http://cbs11tv.com/sports/Greg.Ellis.Football.2.816367.html
by JimmyJohnson on Apr 26, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
in week 1!
he really wore down towards the middle of the year.
by foyesboys on Apr 26, 2009 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok, you didn't give me the stats
I’ll give ’em to you – then you be the judge
Ellis last year – 36 tackles, 8 sacks, 1 INT
Spencer last year – 34 tackles, 1.5 sacks
Would you say Spencer passed Ellis?
by BishopWest on Apr 26, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
go count 'em and then post 'em
I’ll believe it when I see it
by BishopWest on Apr 26, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Spencer is the one that needs to get pushed. But Ellis is older. I just hope the two new guys can at least manage to knock Rogers off the roster.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Apr 26, 2009 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe passed him at the Golden Corral Buffet - going for his 4th course.
by JimmyJohnson on Apr 26, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mmmmmmmmm
Golden Corral buffet (salivating….)
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Apr 26, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't criticize..
.. any of the picks because I wasn’t expecting any of these guys to be our selections. I didn’t know much about Choice and Scandrick last year but have been delighted with them. Hopefully next season will give me the same pleasant surprises.
Overall, I think my expectations were set too high. I was looking forward to the draft like a good dinner. I imagined I was going to Del Frisco’s for a good steak but feel more like I ended up at Subway.
Subway would probably be better for me – maybe this draft will be the same.
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
by Jim Vance on Apr 26, 2009 8:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So you're saying this draft is a $5 foot long?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 26, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty good analogy....
And I hope it is true. But I do remember knowing something about Scandrick and Choice. I remember hearing how crazy it was that they were dropping as far as they were. I knew they were value picks in the 4th – 5th round. I can’t say that about any of our picks (except Mickens – though, unlike scandrick and choice, nobody had him as a 1st day pick.) . Of course, Pat Watkins was another big dropper and he didn’t pan out, so you never know for sure.
by JimmyJohnson on Apr 26, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
did quan cosby get picked up by anyone?
What would Ware and Suggs look like together? Bring on the uncapped year.
by Zak on Apr 26, 2009 8:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Also, I think that this year we will see a lot more of the Phillips 46.
I feel like some of these players would fit in well with a scheme like that.
What would Ware and Suggs look like together? Bring on the uncapped year.
by Zak on Apr 26, 2009 8:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Roger Allen signs with the rams
Life is officially over
by quincyyyyy on Apr 26, 2009 8:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Baker is still out there
somewhere…
by quincyyyyy on Apr 26, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're like Jimmy V
Never give in, Never ever!!!
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 26, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Steelers isgned Mike Reilly
Texans signed Jason Watkins
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 26, 2009 8:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
C'mon Jerry sign somebody
Joel Bell
Otis Wiley
Zach Potter
any of the above please
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Apr 26, 2009 8:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, like a GM
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 26, 2009 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many days til Training Camp?
Tomorrow would be fine with me – I want to see these guys play
by BishopWest on Apr 26, 2009 9:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cowboys signed Julian Hawkins - WR, Boise St
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 26, 2009 10:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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