Worst Draft ever....
by SmittyCityMo on Apr 26, 2009 10:29 PM CDT
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PrintFor someone who is generally willing to buy into most stuff shovelled out of Cowboyland....I'm balking at this travesty.
Jerry Jones has absolutely lost his pea-picking mind. I swear he was trying to collect all the turds with a special "space peanuts" in them. He collected a group of nobody's and not quite's in vast numbers, and for what reason I cannot tell. I wouldn't give two squirts of pee for any of the guys we drafted...not one.
I will pay $100 to anyone that can explain the reason for taking 12 marginal at best players from the weakest draft in recent memory.
I am recommending that Jerry be immediately taken to a the nearest Gerintologist and tested for the onset of senile dementia.
We are being laughed at by everybody on the planet right now...and we deserve it!
If we take 4 of these guys into the season we are well and truly screwed.
I'm sorry about this...I had to vent.
-Smitty
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Read Raf's latest
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2009/4/26/853924/cowboys-draft-09-linebackers
take 2 aspirin
and judge this draft 3 years from now
I'm with you
this draft class sucks. We took a ILB that will probably never be anything more than a nickle linebacker. We took 2 rush outside linebackers. Not saying that it wasn’t a need but did we really need 2. We took a guard that was taken well ahead of when he was projected. Then we took a quarterback in the 4th round. Nothing against McGee but there were better players that could have filled a need with that pick. He will be the 3rd QB this year. We took 2 safeties to develop but none of them are ready to play now. Then we took another TE. We took a kicker in the 5th round for no reason. I really don’t want to waste a spot on a guy who might only play a few plays a game. The only 2 picks that I liked were Mickens and Johnson. They both should be good.
The thing that made me the angriest though was who we passed on. At 51 we passed up Sean Smith. We passed up better offensive lineman who were available. Then we passed up some good WR’s who could have helped our return game.
Seems like a draft that in 5 years you’ll look back and not remember many of them.
i am not thrilled but...
i do like hamlin ..dangelo smith and the steal mickens alot….I think we got some nice players for our secondary for the future… thats not a bad thing…Mcgee was also not a bad pick, he has some upside and can be groomed for the future…
I also
really like Mickens, especially in the 7th.
by Thehomerpimpson on Apr 26, 2009 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions
lol....liked ya better when you were on self imposed
although I feel your pain….I’m trying to lighten up and find some silver lining here…..one thing is for sure….
From a guy that spends too much time entrenched in the draft guides (me),
WR- Roy Williams - IMO…The best WR in this draft….yes..right now, He’s better than Crabtree, Maclin, Harvin, Hicks, DHB, and Britt….until one of them proves me wrong……Roy was a great pick up for what amounts to the 16th overall pick in this years draft…..I don’t care what the nay sayers got to offer…..90 grade A-
ILB- Jason Williams is no marginal player, and I feel he’s the closest thing you can find to an ideal 3-4 weakside ILB, especially in Wade’s system…think a combo of Donnie Edwards/DeMeco Ryans… gets me pumped when my “pet cat” gets drafted…woo hooo……90 grade A-
QB- Stephen McGee surely has the talent and upside to make me happy, as I was a huge proponent of drafting a QB of the future….(preference for Nate Davis, time will tell)….85 grade B
DB- DeAngelo Smith- Everyone , a majority of people on this site bitched, whined, and moaned for a physical deep zone coverage DB/ or FS (even though Hamlin is going nowhere)….now you got one…He is a superior coverage guy, over ( Delmas, Johnson, and Smith)….is not afraid to support the run, and will be a deep 3rd Safety in the dime, and brings return ability to special teams…..85 grade B
CB- Mike Mickens- He was a consensus top 5 CB prior to sustaining a knee (meniscus) injury late in his senior season…..2nd round talent found late in the draft…hmm…sounds familiar (Scandrick) Better than Alan Ball..day one…our new 4th CB…85 grade B
LB- Stephen Hodge, I think everyone’s gonna love this guy…the new Billy Bates, Kenny Gant, Keith Davis all wrapped into a bigger, younger, faster version….He’s a heat seeking missle, and will be in sub packages playing interior nickle LB / Star Safety…..learn the name…cuz he’s here to stay…….80 grade B-
SS-Michael Hamlin- A leader, A qb on D, A playmaker, A hard hitter, great against the run, adequate coverage skills, special teams, will battle Sensi for PT…great value for where drafted…85 grade B
There rest of the guys you can bitch about all you want…..but I’m confident in these guys above….
OL- Brewster – 75 grade C
OLB- Butler – 65 grade D
OLB- Williams – 80 grade B-
K- David Buehler – 85 grade B
TE- John Phillips – 70 grade C-
WR- Manuel Johnson- 60 grade F
Overall Grade- 79 C+
I respect your knowledge
but these “grades” are for their college play
None of them have played 1 down in the NFL and so - have no grade at all
huh ? ....my grades are based on potential, fit, spot chosen, and comparative analysis to options available..
has nothing to do with what they did in college….I’m well aware of every one of these prospects, some i’ve followed for their whole college career….I may have given some a slightly higher grade than I’d give to another teams roster I suppose(bias)…but regardless…I think my overall draft grade of C+ sums it all up.….and that’s being generous…There were players drafted that simply don’t make sense, as to when they were drafted, and why they were drafted……..point is….everyone likes to grade draft results…..
my personal grade is a C+….and i am sure multi media groups are going to give Dallas a C or lower…..well deserved…
Some may turn out to be better pro’s than college guys…some might not get that chance….I’m trying to be optimistic here…and I’m fairly accepting to the players we got…….The ones I highlighted above surely have a great shot of making it…and the other 6 just might suprise us…….If all 12 make the roster…I’ll be shocked…but delighted….
I like a lot of your write-up
but I don’t get how you gave our last pick of the draft an F? He was a 7th rounder there are no expectations there all of his reviews summed up as potential, upside.
First to six!!!
My reasoning for giving Manuel Johnson an F grade.....
OK…The guy has some ability. This is not a grade on ability. This is purely a grade on contribution factor, and what he brings to the team. You might want to say it’s just a 7th round pick, who cares ?…We needed a receiver, some others would say. I would have been alright with this guy if he was a prolific punt returner in college….but he wasn’t.
IF your going to draft someone, you draft them with a confidence that they are better than the 53rd man on your roster, or at least better than the last rated player at that particular position.(Hurd or Stanback)
I of course agree with most that we should have been seeking a quality “slot” WR, but that position is currently occupied by Patrick Crayton, and to a lesser extent Isaiah Stanback(as he is more adaptable to an inside spot utilizing speed, athleticism, and phsical attributes, and has been coached at all three WR spots)…..ok….where was I ?….
ok…The likelihood of this guy making the squad strickly as a WR are very remote to begin with. In order for this guy to be a contributor, and warrant a roster spot, would be for him to bring added abilities to the table…He’s not a return man, (wasn’t in college), I am pretty sure he’s not going to be a gunner on kicking teams, he’s not physical enough to an upgrade on kick blocking units either…..
The only way a drafted / free agent WR was going to unseat one of these existing WR’s was if he was a proficient special teams contributor…period…added bonus if they were experienced in Punt Returns…there is my long winded version of the facts….
ANY WR brought in here has to be better than Hurd in the special teams coverage, and a better kick off return specialist than Isaiah Stanback.
Manuel Johnson is neither…..I like the guy,( he’s better than Danny Amendola) and if you wanted an ability grade I’ll give you a C+ for potential at slot WR, and will most likely placed on our practice squad….BUT…unless Crayton is waived(which I doubt) this guy has no shot of making this team, hence…“a wasted pick”
I can name dozen URFA that are better than him, and had a better opportunity to make the final 53 man roster…..heck Jason Cherry WR-RS from little Louisiana-Lafeyette would have been a better selection at that point.
what makes Manuel Johnson
such a horrible pick at the end of the 7th round? I’m not saying I love the pick, but I am curious to know how he warrents an “F” when a pick that was probably worse in terms of value, Brewster in the 3rd, can get a “C”.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
plain and simple...he provides no special teams value...WR will not make this team unless they somehow contribute on special teams..
I gave Brewster an initial C grade because he’s a relatively unknow commodity, and has no chance to make an immediate impact. He will make the roster, but will be behind Free at OT, and behind Holland at OG………He projects out as a RT,(which is good), and at OG,(which is great)…..at pick #75, we could have done better…IF we drafted a WR-Mike Thomas there at #75, this draft would have went from a C+ to a B….just like that…….takes care of that slot WR / Punt Returner situation right there……immediate dividends……oh well…
regardless if he’s (Johnson) chosen in the 7th round…it wasn’t a value pick without special teams abilities…IF we keep 6 WR’s (which I highly doubt), he would be a welcomed addition, but even then, he offers nothing else, and would be inactive every game…wasted pick…
Can't possibly be the worst draft ever
We’ve had some duds over the last several years alone. Last year wasn’t the norm for Big D, unfortunately.
Epic Fail since 1985
Hmmm
You make a good point.
Jerry has had some colossal failures in the draft. To say this was the worst is too premature. On the other hand, if say, 10 or 11 of these guys are scrubs, then this, mathematically speaking, could verywell be the Hindenburg of draft classes.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
yea
but i could counter that with:
7 guys significantly contribute and 4 find a legit role in the defense, and roy plays well, this is an A.
And you could win the lottery
Same likelihood as your scenario.
Previous performance is the best indicator of future performance. Again, Jerry won’t suddenly become Bill Polian.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Only in Jerryland
or is that Terryland?
Hmmmm…
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Just what I expected out of this draft based on our needs.
Looking back to last year…special teams really…really hurt us. In key games.
Things that don’t help…hurt.
Specail teams play last year didn’t help us.
Why?
…and what if he isn’t?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Hes allready Great in coverage
So bam hes gonna replace burnett. Hes got more bulk he is ncaa career leader in FF as My 2 cents pointed out and hes alot of room to improve. I look for him and Mickens to be both steals in this draft.
I thank God everyday i wasnt born a Eagles fan!!!!!!
Maybe we took 12 picks because the draft was so weak.
Hit on quality through quantity kind of thing.
Trust them...they know what they're doing.
Possible
but if that were the case, wouldn’t you want to go with quantity at NEED positions rather than something like kicker? 12 picks and not one OT…not one?!?!?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
He won't play there...
He’ll be a guard at the next level.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Doubtful...
Brewster played in a spread offense. He’s never lined up in a pro set as a RT and he is barely 6’4". He is no more a RT than Louis Vasquez.
Pencil him in at OG.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Although he played OT
his abilities, or lack thereof, seem to say he’ll play OG in the pros
My opinion is that he is better suited at guard (according to his scouting reports,) but with time, training, etc. – perhaps he could play OT?
I’m NOT ready to say, “He is RT or LT backup from day one.”
Maybe he's forgettable for a reason?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Free is more nfl ready than any guy the could have drafted this year.
by bleedinbluensilver on Apr 27, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions
+1....is he supposed to supplant or overtake Flo Adams to be recognized ??
there’s no telling how good/bad this guy is until he gets in some games….
I was rooting for them to address more on the offensive side of the ball all day.
It turned out they thought they could hit better on some of the defenders instead.
Trust them...they know what they're doing.
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 27, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree
8th ranked defense got a lot of depth. The 13th ranked offense that lost T.O. didn’t get a lot of love.
Speaking of love, where is CowboysRNumba1?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
And why not acquire any 2010 picks?
That was a real disappointment for me in this draft, considering the overall quality of the draft and our plethora of picks.
by Thehomerpimpson on Apr 27, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe they will after the draft settles down and into TC by unloading some vets.
Trust them...they know what they're doing.
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 27, 2009 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Too soon to judge it
I think in a weak draft you have to either try to trade out for picks next season (other teams probably won’t want to do that), package all of the picks to move up and take one or two safe bets (but you better hope they pan out), or maximize the quantity of picks and hope at least a few turn into gems (this method seems like the best bet)
The only complaint I have is the lack of OT’s and DT’s, but that’s the way it played out, so what can you do. We’ll see how it turns out. I’m fairly confident that at the very least we upgraded the depth on the roster, and that a few of theses guys will become valuable players down the road.
The draft pundits are really going after Dallas (but is anyone surprised?). So I’m just going to impose the MSM ban for myself until TC rolls around.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
Agreed,,,
Crappy draft with major concerns for the upcoming season.
Hey, look on the bright side- maybe we’ll have a top five pick next year.
So what.....
we won't ave a top 10 pick next season
most drafts have little to no impact on the following season.
i take this back
most don’t have any real legitimate impact that affects whether you win 3 games
Someone said it above and Grizz wrote about it already but
it makes sense.. we had a top 10 D and top 15 O… ST? I dont even want to look up. So thats what they did this draft the only place someone could come in and play is on ST and lets face it whoever was playing last year it wasnt working. So out of the 12 guys drafted and the UDFA lets hope the ST makes leaps and bounds… ill be really sad if the cut folk:(
What the French?! Toast!
Folk is too good on FG's to be cut...
They may end up going with two Kickers… The new kid for Kick Offs and continue to use Folk for FG’s.
0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.
folk isnt going anywhere
jerry already said they are prepared to dress two kickers
by CowboysFan4Life on Apr 27, 2009 7:57 AM CDT up reply actions
ok i hope you guys are right haha
Folk quickly became a favorite of mine. Too many games during the parcells era where we lost because of missed FGs
What the French?! Toast!
They won't be able to carry 3 QB's, 2 PK's AND try to carry 6 WR's, which they will need to do
Nope, it just makes no sense.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
they aren't carrying 6 WR's....forget that...this is run first team now...3-RB, 3 - TE, 5- WR ........
the 5 on the roster now will make up the group of WR’s on opening day……….
Williams
Austin
Crayton
Stanback
Hurd
Don't know how much credence there is to this..
but I saw on DFW Sports Beat earlier today that Bruce Read was having Folk kick it much higher than he normally would to compensate for kick coverage, but DeCamillis is supposedly just going to let Folk bomb away as he pleases on kickoffs.
by Thehomerpimpson on Apr 28, 2009 3:13 AM CDT up reply actions
why are they no names and marginal??
Because you don’t see them listed in Kipers’ and McShay’s top 100?? Or did you actually personally scout these players yourself??
The fact is the Cowboys drafted great athletes who they felt could challenge our underachieving backups and provide great ST play.
I like what the Cowboys did because they set out to fix 2 main problems on our team, ST and depth. I think they succeeded.
In Romo we Trust
Yes
And when Jerry and his brass think they know more than EVERYONE else, including the 31 other GM’s out there, they had better have some kind of solid draft track record to lean on. Face it, this is not Polian or Pioli or Parcells, this is Jerry. Jerry has the worst track record of personnel management (without Tuna or Jimmy) this side of Matt Millen.
Stop using the “just because they weren’t in a draft guide?” excuse. These guys are the Dwayne Goodrich’s and Kareem Larrimore’s of this draft. they didn’t even pursue your guy, McKillop, who is a ton better on the field than Jason Williams.
Crappy draft…convince yourself otherwise if you want, but it is what it is.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
not that simple
the guys we picked were solid value on a lot of knowledge draft gurus boards – just cause they’re not on espn means jack.
Jason Willams was one of the players i thought we should take
I had him as my number 2 LB i wanted Behind Jasper Brinkley.. To say hes unknown is dumb and if Mckillop was better why didnt he go at pick 69 and not 150 something?? This guy was obviously given a high round grade of 2 and was at the most needed positoin of ILB its a good draft 3 SAFTEYS 2 OLBs 1 ILB and 1 CB i say good draft
I thank God everyday i wasnt born a Eagles fan!!!!!!
Tell me when the Cowboys have gone against the grain and gotten it right?
Just tell me a draft where they have gotten crappy grades and it did well for them?
This one got awful grades.
2 Quincy Carter Georgia
2 Tony Dixon Alabama
3 Willie Blade Mississippi State
4 Markus Steele USC
5 Matt Lehr Virginia Tech
6 Daleroy Stewart Southern Mississippi
7 Colston Weatherington Central Missouri State
7 John Nix Southern Mississippi
7 Char-ron Dorsey Florida State
This one too!
2 Dwayne Goodrich Tennessee
4 Kareem Larrimore West Texas A&M
5 Michael Wiley Ohio State
6 Mario Edwards Florida State
7 Orantes Grant Georgia
This one got D’s and F’s
1 Ebenezer Ekuban North Carolina
2 Solomon Page West Virginia
3 Dat Nguyen Texas A&M
4 Wane McGarity Texas
4 Hundens Zellner Fort Valley State
6 MarTay Jenkins Nebraska-Omaha
7 Mike Lucky Arizona
7 Kelvin Garmon Baylor
From La Fleur down, this got hammered by the ESPN’s
1 David LaFleur Louisiana State
3 Dexter Coakley Appalachian State
3 Steve Scifres Wyoming
3 Kenny Wheaton Oregon
4 Antonio Anderson Syracuse
4 Macey Brooks James Madison
4 Nicky Sualua Ohio State
6 Lee Vaughn Wyoming
7 Omar Stoutmire Fresno State
Paint the piece of crap red all you want, it’s still not a rose. Whenever Jerry and company outsmart the rest of the NFL, Dallas goes 5-11 and has the wrong head coach. Winnie and this poor draft make for bad omens.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
To combat his research...
What has Ciscowski done before coming to Dallas? I’ve never heard of him… Got any information like he brought to the table?
God 1st, Family Always & Dallas Cowboys 4 Life!!!!!
Crazy talk...
Lacewell and Jerry were high fiving the same way Cisky, Wade and Jerry were yesterday.
Revisioninst history won’t work, Terry.
P.S. I now think you’re an intern who works for the Cowboys front office. ;-)
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Peppi Zellner's first name was Hundrens?
Yikes, no wonder he went with Peppi.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Apr 27, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions
And I though "Peppi" was bad!
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
+1 Terry......don't get caught up in the names....you guys wanted depth...we got depth....
My biggest preference going into this draft was to find eventual contributors at these positions..
starting weakside ILB – Jason Williams …check
offensive OG/OT – Robert Brewster ….check
a strong safety – Michael Hamlin…..check
a DB with FS skills- DeAngelo Smith….check
a QB to groom for the future- Stephen McGee…..check
a CB to push Ball for that 4th CB spot- MIchael Mickens ….check
a pass rushing OLB as Ellis’ eventual replacement- Wiliams & Butler….check
a viable punt returner better than Crayton- DeAngelo Smith….check
a slot WR with special teams abilities-….failed (may find something in FA)
a potential NT canidate to push Saivaii and Anderson….failed (maybe Ratliff isn’t going anywhere)
a potential replacement for Proctor at back-up OC/OG- ….failed (we’ll see who goes to camp)
Other than that…..I’m not quite sure we did as badly as some draft prognosticators would have you believe……..
Most reveiws that I've seen
Say that Brewster is much better at OG than OT
So, I think we still need Flo’s replacement
were we going to find Flo's replacement in this draft ? I don't think so...
and who said Doug Free is not the answer ?
patience…..young grasshopper..
My suggestion is...
that instead of you saying, “a potential replacement for Proctor at back-up OC/OG- ….failed (we’ll see who goes to camp)”
Brewster may fit that role, at OG
And instead you could say, “a potential replacement for ADAMS at back-up OT…failed (we’ll see who goes to camp)”
well...when I say a replacement for Proctor...I'm insinuating we don't have a prospect that can play all three interior positions like him...
I really wanted a Center drafted that can also play some OG….didn’t happen…….I know Brewster was brought in here to eventually battle Kosier and Holland for that LG spot……….might happen as soon as this season…but i’m thinking start of 2011 for him to take over…..I may be wrong, (cuz I haven’t studied Brewster), but I don’t believe he’s going to be Flo’s eventual replacement, but who knows…he’s supposedly agile, and has nimble feet for a big man….just find it difficult to think a college RT is all of a sudden projected on the left side in the pro’s….
Major Fail...
“a potential NT canidate to push Saivaii and Anderson….failed (maybe Ratliff isn’t going anywhere)”
Ratliff is small enough at NT as it is. It worked with the rotations we had somehow but now we have a non-player for the last 3 seasons to rotate it who is also turning 31 this season. Great (no really, stupid!!!). What is the remedy for this issue?…. It doesn’t even look like Jerry & Co. are even aware of this situation! At the very moment I have yet to see any interest in a DT from them. The only interest I’ve seen in this positions direction has come from the dallas cowboys media team (AND that’s only cuz fans like me asked and pushed the subject).
God 1st, Family Always & Dallas Cowboys 4 Life!!!!!
just so you know...other teams will be releasing players, and there may be a few more street FA out there...
to say we are in need of a NT is a lil skewed by the fact we HAVE a PRO BOWL NT playing for us in Ratliff………..and you have no idea what his two back-ups bring to the table..I know you have never seen Tim Anderson play before…patience….back up NT isn’t as much of a need as others led you to believe…
Good point
Never know who might get cut during pre-season. Probably have a better shot at the 2 down run stuffer at that time than we did during the draft. (If Saliva and Anderson can’t handle it)
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Apr 27, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I understand he's a Pro Bowler...
He made the Pro Bowl based on his Nickel defense stats is what I’ve been told. Meaning, the nickel is similar to the 4-3 based on the fact that we have 4 down linemen… that is where he got his sacks (said the dallascowboys radio). In the regular 3-4 alignment he may have been just ok. So we still need a huge space eater in rotation with him in the 3-4! I researched that we gave kup 4.2 yds per carry but it seemed like a lot more when I was watching. Now, yeah Tim and Siavii may bring something to the table more than Tank did but when they brought Tank in I EXPECTED him to not contribute simply because he is a pass rushing DT for a 4-3 defense!!!! We need a run stuffer to rotate in not another pass rusher by trade, size (Tim Anderson) or whatever. Siavii has the size I give him that… ok… but he’s turning 31 ("Our goal is to get younger!!!?) AND he hasn’t played in THREE seasons (they went and drafted the QB McGee in this principle why not NT?). Dallascowboys radio said they must know something we don’t with available DTs or something because they could not believe how we are ignoring this position either. With the info we are presented about these 2 candidates for backup NT… where is the positive news about them? Is not the war won in the trenches? Seems like the importance of a NT has deminished a little and I’m one of few who notices… Pro Bowl Nickel DT aside!!! (Don’t get me wrong though, I like Ratliff. I live in his hometown and may even know some of his friends)
God 1st, Family Always & Dallas Cowboys 4 Life!!!!!
Every play that a run stuffing fat slob spends on the field, is a play that Ratliff is spending on the bench...
I prefer Ratliff on every down until we find a full time NT to take his place…….plenty of time to address the situation prior to camp, or they are completely convinced the two guys we got are sufficient….
Run Stuffing Fat Slob, lol???
I feel that you are bias in Ratliff’s defense. I don’t disagree with you about having Ratliff till we find a full time NT. What I’m saying though, is that there were some prospects in the draft that went ignored. The idea is to bring in a prospect worthy of being that full time NT and groom him behind Ratliff till he’s ready. Ratliff then could slide left (if Spears isn’t retained or at least they can compete and rotate) and retain his role on the nickel defense where he dominates so well. My arguement is the lack of attention to this position from the front office. I’m sure if Parcells were still here we’d have a young backup NT (which he does in Miami who’s 355 lbs). He’s the guy who switched us into this form of defense and it would be wise to take note from such a great drafter (exclusion to the Bobby Carpenter draft year). Phillips even had a 348 pounder back in San Diego so I don’t see why this is going against the grain (if they bring someone in then fine but I have not seen any interest toward one what so ever)!!!
God 1st, Family Always & Dallas Cowboys 4 Life!!!!!
I don't see Siavii and/or Anderson being any worse than Tank was at NT.
Those guys offer a bit more size in the rotation, as well.
Trust them...they know what they're doing.
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 27, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I really want to see Ratliff at End and see what kind of penetration he can generate
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Terry....
I never listen to Kiper, the problem is numbers drafted for spots on team available. If we take Half of them into the season we still CUT the other half and take a hit against the cap for guys not even on the team.
It’s not about the players picked, it’s about drafting so MANY of these guys. They could have packaged 3 picks to move oh I don’t know say UP to a higher position in the second round and taken someone worth a tinkers damn that will contribute to more than special teams and the bench.
You guys get happy over projects and rejects if you want….to me this sucks #$@! through a straw.
projects and rejects?
We all thought these guys were projects:
2008 Draft
Round 4 – Tashard Choice
Round 5 – Orlando Scandrick
2007 Draft
Round 6 – Deon Anderson
2005 Draft
Round 4 – Marion Barber
Round 4 – Chris Canty
2004 Draft
Round 7 – Patrick Crayton
2003 Draft
Round 3 – Jason Witten
Round 4 – Bradie James
How can you already say this draft sucks, when we haven’t seen them in training camp, pre-season, or the regular season?
Someone once told Michael Jordan that he’d never make it in basketball.
Time will tell what we go in this year’s draft, but it is impossible to say the day after the draft they they all suck.
nobody
thought that Choice was a project. Running backs shouldn’t ever be projects. Deon Anderson isn’t good either. Crayton was clearly a project.
by DoomsdayD75 on Apr 27, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Wrong
These guys all came behind players that were rated highly on boards of other teams.
Look at last year’s draft grades from the same publications that we are deriding right now because of what they are saying about this crappy draft.
The rest of the NFC East is laughing once again at Dallas’ return to personnel mismanagement.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
You're right
The Raiders would have taken some of the same guys we took.
My apologies.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
WHAT!
“How can you already say this draft sucks, when we haven’t seen them in training camp, pre-season, or the regular season?”
How can I say it? what are you dense easy it sucks…pay attention now, it suuuuucks. I don’t need to see a Yugo do laps at Daytona to know it’s not going to win the 500.
If you’re gonna show a list of names to justify this stinkfest don’t bother, 12 don’t make the team. At best 6 make the team, and six get cut. How much impact will 6 MARGINAL players have on this team next season… not enough to justify their selection.
You can’t tell me we couldn’t have packaged a deal to move up in the second round to get someone quality that can help…oh I don’t know like this friggin year!
Or maybe we trade into NEXT years draft which will have a LOT more talent.
Or maybe we trade the 2nd round pick for Boldin
Anything would have been better than picking twelve hoping to “get lucky” and THAT is what everyone here is talking about that thinks this draft was anything short of a TITANIC disaster.
They may not all suck, but picking twelve to find a good three or 4 is not just ineffecient, it’s down right stupid.
+1
Nobody was saying anything last year when Dallas was getting A’s and B’s from the pundits. This year, everyone is bashing those same people for their D and F grades.
How whimsical…
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
We had two 1st-rounders last year in a much more talented draft.
Any team would get a high grade getting 2 first-round talents at high-profile positions (RB and CB).
Trust them...they know what they're doing.
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 27, 2009 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Okay, I can't argue with that...
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Don't talk down to me like you're omniscient
“dense” – I resent that, and it doesn’t describe me at all
“pay attention now” – like I’m your little kid brother
“stinkfest” – if 6 guys make the team, like you suggest, it won’t be a stinkfest
“marginal” – you don’t know how these guys turn out yet, you are pre-judging which is the same as prejudice
“suck” – 4 times in your post – how do you know so much about sucking?
Then don't act you didn't hear me the first time sonny...
dense- yep, you’re making me repeat myself
Pay attention-that got you right here right now
Stinkfest-6 rookies of this quality and you think they’ll be the thing to put us over the top?…yeah stinkfest
Marginal-until they show me something…YES D*MN IT, MARGINAL!!
Suck-“how do you know so much about sucking?”…by listening to you….
I’m in a bad mood about an awful draft, and from the looks of things I’m far from alone. Soft peddle stupidity all you like, but I’m not singing that song. Jerry did the bonedance witht he pooch this weekend, and that’s the truth.
by SmittyCityMo on Apr 27, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Did you just call him Sonny?
Really?
Plus, and this is just my own personal opinion, but you might want to change your avatar.
A big picture of the confederate flag tends to offend people.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
If my flag offends...
you are either historically ignorant or politically correct, either way I don’t care.
by SmittyCityMo on Apr 27, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Not offended here...
I’m not saying… I’m just saying.
I think it’s nice to respect peoples feelings about certain subject matters anyways.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
Yeah well, GFY
Why is it no one ever considers my feelings about the subject?
by SmittyCityMo on Apr 27, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
you should care that people are politcally correct.
just cuz your insensitive doesn’t make you any more right about anything..specially your crappy ass attitude bout this draft
by bleedinbluensilver on Apr 28, 2009 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not insensitive...
I’m just not HYPER-SENSITIVE, the politically correct haven’t got enough individuality left to understand why I am the way I am. I’m not here to please everybody…in fact I don’t care for MOST people walking this planet. These same people expect… EXPECT me to be all sensitive towards what hurts their feelings…and at the same time no one seems the least bit interested in in mine.
So no thanks bleedinbluensilver, I’m not taking one more step of concession to anybody to save feelings.
Oh…and yes my attitude about this draft is amazingly crapulent, and I’d say I’ve got as much right to feel the way I do as you do.
Your problem is that I’m harsh….and well you’re just gonna have to suck it up and drive on good sir; because I ain’t changing for you…even though you’re a real nice guy.
by SmittyCityMo on Apr 28, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
lol....^5 Bishop....
(just as an innocent bystander, I’ve learned over the past months that Bishop usually knows what he’s talking about, and his past contributions here on BTB have provided him some merit and creditibility to the substance of his comments, and the fantastic work he’s done with his fan postings…..the naysayers involved here, not so much…)
just an observation from “my two cents”……
I, like many here am not not really pleased with the end results of this draft, but I’m surely not writing it off as a complete failure either…..I’m pretty confident in saying that I devote more of my time to evaluating professional prospects than anyone here on this site…Not saying I know more than anyone, just saying that you’d be hard pressed to find anyone more in tune with the goings on in college football, from the high school recruiting proccess to the eventual drafting of these same players I’ve studied over the course of their careers…Am I liking this draft class ?….no…but do I see some future key contributors here ?…yes..
Jason Williams will be better than any 3-4 ILB we’ve ever had here…..bye bye Barbie Carpenter
Michael Hamlin will be a mainstay in our secondary and special teams for years to come…bye bye Keith Davis.
DeAngelo Smith will provide dynamic punt returns, special teams gunner, and dime Safety abilities…bye bye Patrick Watkins
Stephen Hodge will become the next Bill Bates for this team on special teams and “roving safety/LB” in dime packages….
Michael Mickens is already our 4th best CB, and may push Jenkins and Scandrick down the road..(eventually be our 3rd)
I cant comment any any others, as their body of work, and relatively small contributions over a four year period needs futher review……
OL- .Brewster was 2-time all MAC RT on an extremely productive offense at Ball St…I think he had something to do with it..
QB- McGee wasn’t placed in the best of schemes at A&M, so I can only go on what the scouts have said….seems to have “it”..
TE- was recruited to Virginia by our TE coach, so I imagine he knows what the kid provides.
OLB’s- Butler and Williams…..Wade (with help of our scouts) hand picked these guys( passed the “eye” test)…I trust Wade over any Kiper/McShay/Mayock/Gosselin out there.
I’m optimistic….not elated….and to be honest…I can put together a post draft mock using our picks and blow this one away( not saying my “bigger” name guys would do any better though)… they pretty much targeted spots i figured they would (maybe not in the order i would), but I think some of these guys will be household names for us Cowboy fans in a few years…..not all of them….
It's not about WHO was picked!
it’s HOW MANY we picked! We can’t keep half of these wonderful wonderful people! If this was any other year this wouldn’t be a big deal, but now we have sign 12 guys, and those that get cut count against the cap!
There isn not enough value in the players we keep to cover that fact we’ll still pay against the cap for all 12!
It is as simple as that!
by SmittyCityMo on Apr 27, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
most of the players have a good chance to make the team
as our current backups completely suck. J Williams can beat out Carp, Brewster can beat out Proctor, Butler and B Williams can beat out Rogers and Octavian, Hamlin can beat out Watkins, A Smith can beat out Brown, and Mickens can beat out Ball.
In Romo we Trust
I'll say this...
I don’t think anyone can consistantly say anything for sure will or won’t be anything.
Its all projections, so no one is really right or wrong.
Am I disappointed in the draft? Yep. Not because I think that it’s going to suck, because I just read what everybody else says about things. I don’t pop in game film and study players like coaches.
However, I also look back to some of the drafts that look crappy or look great and then three years down the line it’s flip flopped.
The funniest thing is… there is a big bunch of people worked up about some really late picks.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
This class
is almost as good as the 2006 class. If Crabtree goes on to become a star I will never forgive Jerry for this. He had Cowboys written all over him.
That...
makes no sense.
Did I miss the part where Dallas had the #10 pick?
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
Dude, we couldn't in our wildest dreams grab Crabtree
I smell sarcasm though. If I’m right, well played, sir.
Epic Fail since 1985
by the red scare on Apr 28, 2009 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions
His theory is IF we never traded for R W11, and we retained TO(because we would have to), we would have had the 20th pick, and then.....
he assumes we would have traded at least our 2nd , 4th, and maybe some 2010 picks to move up to #10, and convince San Fran to give Crabtree to us, because we demand you take these picks we’re offering…..
i got news for you….Crabtree is not going to be a Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, or Calvin Johnson………heck, I would’ve taken Maclin over Crabtree……but that’s just me……..
can we get over the coulda , shoulda, woulda stuff once and for all………….
Yeah...
Like you said though coulda,shoulda,woulda.
It’s not like the Randy Moss situation, when Dallas could have definitly gotten him.
And I also agree.. the comparisons to fitzgerald are aweful. I think he’s going to be closer to a Tim Brown.
And Maclin… not super high on him. I like the dude, but I have this feeling that he’s going to take a while to adjust to the NFL and perhaps always be a little bit injury prone.
But he could prove me wrong.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
The Only Sure Thing
There is only one thing we can say with any certainty about this draft, because it has happened each and every draft for the last 20 years: The hypocrites who detest Jerry Jones and think he is a bad GM will blame him if this turns out to be a bad draft yet will somehow find someone else to give credit to if this turns out to be a good draft. It happens each and every year!
by Cowboy Louie on Apr 27, 2009 7:14 PM CDT reply actions
yeah, those damn fools who give credit to Jimmy Johnson for building those Super Bowl teams!
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
The facts speak loudest here...
Jerry’s drafts with Tuna and Jimmy were far better than his drafts with Lacewell and hand-picked “yessir” coaches like Campo, Gailey and Winnie.
I give Jerry and Cisky a lot of credit for last year’s draft, especially the Scandrick and Choice picks. And if I am wrong about this bunch, I’ll say so.
The likelihood, given previous empirical performance, says I won’t have to post a retraction.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Jerry's Drafts
Hey, as long as you aknowledge that they are all Jerry’s drafts (as you did) I have no problem. My problem arises when people start referring to them as “Parcell’s drafts” or “Jimmy Johnson’s drafts”, while I never hear a word about Dave Campo’s drafts or Chan Gailey’s drafts.
Over time, Jerry has been surrounded by both good people and bad, and there are a myriad of people whose opinion is taken into consideration when building the draft baord and making the picks. But the final call has always been Jerry’s and it will be until he hands the reigns over to Stephen.
by Cowboy Louie on Apr 28, 2009 7:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh my goodness
1) Didn’t you a couple of days ago say that you were done with the Dallas Cowboys?
2) People say it was Jimmy’s draft because he scouted and selected the players. Yeah Jerry “signed off” on them. Just like I’m sure New Englands owner signs off on players, but it was JIMMY’s draft.
You never hear word about Dave Campo’s drafts… because they weren’t making the selections.
It’s hard to take you serious when you just totally ignore the facts that Jimmy orchestrated the Walker trade.
Frustrating.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
um...
In case you haven’t figured it out, some of my buddies (Packer fans – I live in Wisconsin) posted under my username at the draft party I hosted. Like many here, BTB is my homepage and I’m automatically logged in as Cowboy Louie. I’m out grilling brats and burgers and they decided to have some fun. Their post, devoid of any logic, fact or reason and full of sarcasm is about as far from my style as you could be. Maybe you are one of the guys that came over when the blog expanded and you are not used to my style of posting. We all had a good laugh; sorry it got under your skin.
I will agree with you that Jimmy Johnson had significant input into the drafts when he was here. But he wasn’t calling the shots and no, Jerry didn’t just ‘sign-off’ – he always has been, is and always will be an extremely hands on GM. But hey, if you want to think otherwise, go for it. Don’t let my position frustrate you. This is just a blog and it’s not worthy of getting frustrated over other posters. I need to remid myself of that periodically.
by Cowboy Louie on Apr 28, 2009 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Ok....
Read Boys Will Be Boys.
I don’t have to think otherwise, because it’s documented.
This isn’t something I’m just opinionated about, it’s something that is true.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
lol.....give credit to Wade....these are "his" players.....
same GM….hmmmm..
In fairness to Winnie, T.O. wasn't "his" player...
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Hi Guys:
I see that everybody has gone to their happy place with this draft. I’m not totally up to speed on this salary cap thing. As I understand, if we sign and cut these drafted player we eat the salary against the cap. The cap is only based on the top 51 salaries ? Not likely that any of these players make the top 51. Is that right or have I messed up? Also if these guys do replace veterans does their salaries count against the cap also.?
well...let's see....
if we sign and cut these drafted player we eat the salary against the cap
- Only their signing bonus will count against the cap this year.
Not likely that any of these players make the top 51. Is that right or have I messed up?
huh ?? There are 53 roster spots, if 12 rookies were to make the roster, only the last two wouldn’t count against the total cap number…The 10 ( roster spots 41 through 51 ) would reflect against the total cap number, and since they are all 3rd rounders or later, it greatly reduces our overall cap structure, especially if the spots they replace were of veterans making more money than they’re worth ( Carp, Ellis, Watkins types)….
Also if these guys do replace veterans does their salaries count against the cap also.?
If veterans are released to make room for these rookies, only the remaining or prorated signing bonus would go against the cap, not any base salary.
Hopefully I answered your questions..
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