The Valley Ranch Review: Dallas Cowboys NFL Draft Grades and Other Draft Stuff

Draft grades the day after the draft. Why bother? We all know it takes 2-3 years to properly evaluate a draft class. Living in a world of instant judgment and instant gratification means we'll always get the snap draft grade the day after the NFL holds its draft. I won't get into detail about what's on the web today in terms of grading the Dallas Cowboys draft, I'll just breeze by it quickly for a couple of reasons.
The national media doesn't follow the team like we do and only have a tentative grasp on what our needs/issues are - let me offer an example. Pete Prisco from CSB Sports gives us a D+. Fair enough - he didn't like our draft. Everybody is entitled to an opinion and we've seen a wide assortment on this blog already. Even Cowboys fans aren't going to agree about this draft. But, it's statements like these that really cause me to lose faith in the national media.
Why use a pick on kicker in the fifth round when Nick Folk is so good? It makes no sense.
Well, it does make sense if you know much about Nick Folk. I love the kid, he finally solved our FG woes and has been money in the clutch. But, as Rafael so eloquently pointed out in this article, he's the absolute worst in the league in terms of kickoffs/touchbacks. He got zero touchbacks last year. Zero. Many teams in the past have solved this problem by carrying two kickers, one who handles the kickoff duties, the other FGs. Enter fifth-round draft pick David Buehler who supposedly has a howitzer for a leg on kickoffs.
Now, before I become too dishonest, you can absolutely argue the logic of drafting a kickoff specialist in the fifth-round, you can question the idea of ever drafting a kicker. I've been known to entertain that thought a time or two. But, to say it makes absolutely no sense to add a kicker in the Cowboys current situation means you haven't been following the team closely. We have a real problem on special teams and the Cowboys just took a shot at solving it. I notice no one is saying that David Buehler can't do the job we've drafted him to do, which is probably the more proper evaluation of him as a draft pick.
To be clear, I'm not that over-hyped about drafting David Buehler although I complained bitterly on the DC Fanatic Show last year that we could use a kickoff specialist. But it's just an example of how the national guys don't really understand the Cowboys the way we do. And they don't take the time to look it up afterward. Look, most of us were stunned when we took a kicker, but moments later after I read about the kid I instantly saw "kickoff specialist" written all over him. Then Jerry and Co. came out and told us they were prepared to go with two kickers. Still, we get statements like it makes no snese to solve a big problem on our special teams. Even when we have 12 picks in our hands.
[UPDATE] BTB-reader tasan chimes in with and even more egregious example of misinformation in the comments section:
The idiot over at USAToday actually said this:
"Grabbed a couple of DEs in fourth round to offset loss of Chris Canty."
Yikes, guess he couldn't be bothered to note that we run a 3-4 defense and those "DEs" will actually be LB's in our scheme and have nothing to do with Chris Canty. [END UPDATE]
One other detail, the acquisition of WR Roy Williams gets scant attention among these grades. He really belongs to the Cowboys 2009 draft class since he's why we don't have a flashy, shiny, named-talent player in the first round to show off today - that guy was already here. But since that didn't actually happen over the weekend, it's like it didn't really happen.
For better or worse, some of our draft grades, which are pretty representative of what I saw this morning. Tread carefully and don't lose your mind if you like our draft, and don't think that these grades justify your view if you hate this draft. For example, check out how wrong these guys can be with this PFT.com article.
USA Today D+
Mel Kiper D
Yahoo Sports C+
Fox Sports C
NBC Sports D
- Dave Halprin
There's more VRR after the jump including talk of our new Cincinnati Bearcat secondary, new QB Stephen McGee and a look at our NFC East brethren.
Hopefully with this draft, the Cowboys will be a better team come training camp. Dallas simply can't risk falling behind in the NFC East race.
Here's who the Giants, Eagles, and Redskins selected in this weekend's draft.
The New York Giants picked:
RD 1 Hakeem Nicks WR, N.Carolina
RD 2 Clint Sintim OLB, Virginia
RD 2 William Beatty OT, UConn
RD 3 Ramses Barden WR, Cal Poly
RD 3 Travis Beckum TE, Wisconsin
RD 4 Andre Brown RB, NC State
RD 5 Rhett Bomar QB, Sam Houston St.
RD 6 DeAndre Wright DB, New Mexico
RD 7 Stoney Woodson DB, S. Carolina
The Philadelphia Eagles picked:
RD 1 Jeremy Maclin WR, Missouri
RD 2 LeSean McCoy RB, Pitt
RD 5 Cornelius Ingram TE, Florida
RD 5 Victor "Macho" Harris, CB, Virginia Tech
RD 5 Fenuki Tupuo OT, Oregon
RD 6 Brandon Gibson WR, Wash. St.
RD 7 Paul Fanaika OG, Arizona St.
RD 7 Moise Fokou OLB, Maryland
The Washington Redskins picked:
RD 1 Brian Orakpo DE, Texas
RD 3 Kevin Barnes CB, Maryland
RD 5 Cody Glenn OLB, Nebraska
RD 6 Robert Henson OLB, TCU
RD 7 Eddie Williams TE, Idaho
RD 7 Marko Mitchell WR, Nevada
- Aaron Novinger

Dave Campo and Brett Maxie must have been impressed by the defensive backfield at the University of Cincinnati. The Cowboys drafted both Bearcat CBs; although, Mike Mickens may be the only who stays at that position. Deangelo Smith, taken by Dallas in the fifth-round, may swing inside to safety. Smith is excited to be a Cowboy.
"This is where I wanted to go and this is where I thought I would go," Smith said. "I was a Cowboys fan growing up and I dreamed of playing there. That was the only visit I took. I felt comfortable down there and they felt comfortable with me."
Speculation in Dallas was that Smith, who played mostly cornerback at UC, would be a safety in the NFL.
Smith's joy over being taken by the Cowboys was further enhanced later in the afternoon when Mickens, his UC teammate, also was taken by Dallas.
- Aaron Novinger

Drafting QB, Stephen McGee, at the top of the fourth-round has broken Dallas' dry spell. Not since 2001 (Quincy Carter) had the Cowboys selected a player at that position. The team felt some pressure to do so on Sunday.
With the threat of either the Denver Broncos or New England Patriots drafting McGee looming, the Cowboys picked the player that for the past few years they have been so reluctant to select.
Pre-draft, sounds like McGee couldn't imagine going anywhere else.
"[T]hat Dallas visit will be huge for me because growing up here in Texas I had Troy Aikman and so forth on my wall for a long time now," McGee told Monty. "I'm so excited to be one of the guys to go on the visit and if I have the opportunity to play in Dallas I know that I would be thrilled and honored."
- Aaron Novinger
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Grizz you forgot to mention Buehler won't just be a kick off specialist
he’ll probably be covering punts, and could play safety in a pinch.
So the way I view this pick is he’ll be taking the roster spot of a linebacker or safety who would exclusively play on special teams and covering kicks and punts… That is basically what Buehler will be doing with the added advantage of kicking off.
by quincyyyyy on Apr 27, 2009 10:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
kick coverage
the fact that he could cover kickoffs even if he weren’t kicking is big, especially with the new 2-man wedge rules. We’ll have 11 solid tacklers vs. 10 blockers with only a 2-man wedge, could really make a significant difference in that area of the game. And as you say he could play other roles as well. I’m very intrigued by this pick.
Overall it is obvious their draft strategy was:
1. create a lot of competition for various backup positions, and
2. focus on improving special teams
Some of these guys are obviously not going to make the team, but now they have an extended evaluation time for all of them.
And the fact that they are putting such a priority on ST is very encouraging.
by scottmaui on Apr 27, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
given how Special Teams are changing it may be wise to get the jump on recreating that aspect of the roster
Nobody else seemed to take the new KO rules seriosuly, Dallas may ave a signifigant advantage in this
by AustonianAggie on Apr 27, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I couldn't agree more
at first I was disappointed with the draft, but after taking a deep breath and looking at it with a more objective eye, I think you are right on the money with your assesment.
by DCowboy on Apr 27, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If that's the reality of it Quincy then...
Maybe Buehler replace a safety like Courtney Brown possibly, especially since Buehler can play safety supposedly. Is he avery good special Teams player? That’s the question I have. I like Brown though, but he may not be a safety, he may be a corner. That’s what he was in college, and that is what I think the Cowboys should do with him. His development as a safety has not related to time on the field, so we don’t know that.
but that’s the real question about this draft Quncyyyyy, and that is did this draft help this team. It’s not a “my picks are sexier than yours” situation, but rather who you draft out of the draft to adress those needs, and we need to concentrate on our problems, which is special teams. Just because NY and Philly and Washington may go after recievers, doesn’t mean we have to. We have to Adress our needs.
That’s why DeCamillis was hired. He probably had some input toward the pick. I can only pray that special Teams becomes special, because it hasn’t been special for a long time. This infusion of young hungry talent has me excited.
When scrutinizing our team (the Cowboy’s), what real weakness do you see right now?
This is what I see:
A sort of veteran team that is losing alot of its veterans possibly soon because of Dirty Dozen II.
An upgrade at special teams play with new coach and an infusion of Rookie special teams talent.
(it could not get any worse than it was)
A team that is alot more potent offensively than most even without T.O., but because of no variation of scheme, leaves defenses with an easy Task.
A team that defensively, at the end of the season, had it’s act together somewhat (other than the Philly and Baltimore debacles) but can correct the flaws easily.
A team that has to sign a player to the biggest contract ever (Demarcus Ware).
A team that if it gets it’s act together (c’mon coaches) will be strong at all phases of the game.
As an honest fan, this is what I see.
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
by DallasPalace on Apr 27, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that he will help our coverage unit quite a bit...
…but Buehler actually seeing any time at safety seems a big stretch. He’s a very good athlete for a kicker, and I know he practiced a little as a safety at USC, but I don’t see him having anything near NFL coverage ability.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Apr 27, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to agree...
If he proves an asset on other special teams, that would be a HUGE bonus, and more than enough to keep him.
Tar Heels = National Champs in Basketball ... top 5 in Baseball ... Top 10 this year in Football?
by DalaiLuke on Apr 27, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I said he could play safety in a pinch
so maybe you only bring 1 strong safety on game day, and if say Sensebaugh gets injured Buehler can step in for some plays. But then next game Michael Hamlin would suit up.
by quincyyyyy on Apr 27, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
more likely a CB who could also play S tho
The Cowboys’ plan for DeAngelo Smith is to have prepare him to play safety and cornerback. The Cowboys will take the same approach with Alan Ball, who has been solely a cornerback the last two seasons, because they want to create depth through position flexibility in the secondary.
by scottmaui on Apr 27, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well they may be a little light to play strong safety
Buehler is 225 lbs and benches 25 time
by quincyyyyy on Apr 27, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great stuff Grizz!
I love the link too that talks about draft grades.
That’s exactly why I haven’t gotten worked up about this draft.
More than likely Dallas’s draft isn’t as bad as we think it is, and the Eagles and Giants drafts aren’t as good.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 27, 2009 10:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's embarassing
Sorry Aaron, didn’t mean to shortchange you.
Good job dude.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 27, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me clear it up for everybody
I actually wrote the opening draft grades portion of the today’s VRR and Aaron wrote the rest. Given that, I join you in not short-changing Aaron, he’s done a killer job on the VRR reports over the last few weeks. Hope everybody else enjoys them as much as I do.
by Dave Halprin on Apr 27, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Enjoying them very much
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
by dave33 on Apr 27, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aaaaaah
Good, I thought for sure that I had seen your name somewhere.
Makes me feel better.
Good job both of you.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 27, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gracias guys! There certainly is a bunch of Cowboy info goin' round--and to think, we didn't even draft the entire first day!
Trust them...they know what they're doing.
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 27, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm happy with our picks...
ad good job Aaron
by nicholas.rodriguez on Apr 27, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
The idiot over at USAToday actually said this:
“Grabbed a couple of DEs in fourth round to offset loss of Chris Canty.”
Does he even know who the Cowboys are, and what kind of defense they run? Really?
Tom Grieve is my hero.
by tasan on Apr 27, 2009 11:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep, completely ignores the Igor signing, because it is not shiny enough for the guy to remember.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
by cowboy78 on Apr 27, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beyond that
He completely ignores the fact that these guys aren’t “replacing” Canty, they won’t even line up at DE but at OLB. Talk about Greg Ellis or Anthony Spencer, not Chris freaking Canty.
Tom Grieve is my hero.
by tasan on Apr 27, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was gonna say the same thing.
They dont even know what position these guys play
Jerry Jones could go in his sock, slap you wit a stack of hundreds, then catch you again on the backswing wit 3 Super Bowl rings. So who the hell are you makin' fun of?
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Apr 27, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Saw the USAToday one
and immediately had the same reaction. Makes you realize how ridiculous it is to get worked up over the rankings. To be honest, I would even say that this site (and BSR before it) focuses WAY too much on the draft. if i were smarter, i’d be able to write up something clever about the irony of it all, and point fingers at whose fault these ridiculous rankings are: ours for suporting way too much draft coverage from the media; or the media for providing us crap when they know that the nature of the draft makes it impossible to provide anything of value to us. unfortunately (or fortunately), i have the attention span of a 2 year old, and i am already wondering about swine flu, the champions league semifinals, and 25 other things, so it’s off to another web site I go.
by Elberraco on Apr 27, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude it's football Xmas what else could this site focus on?
by AustonianAggie on Apr 27, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
xmas?
in my house, i woke up got a present, took it out of the box, and knew in 5 seconds if it worked or not. i feel sorry for you if in your house you had to wait, what weeks? months? to play with your toys – that would like bumb right into easter or something, no???
by Elberraco on Apr 27, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Delayed gratification
some people dig it
by AustonianAggie on Apr 27, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you must have
missed the part about the attention span of a 2 year old – instant gratification baby!!
by Elberraco on Apr 27, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
snot coming out of nose at ALL these posts
Tar Heels = National Champs in Basketball ... top 5 in Baseball ... Top 10 this year in Football?
by DalaiLuke on Apr 27, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
most of these sportswriters are complete morons
and how they got these jobs is beyond me, I guess they must have relatives or friends who know the editor, its the only explanation.
Assigning a grade to a draft immediately afterwards makes no sense to me whatsoever. If you want to evaluate how a team conducted a draft with trades and maneuvering and the like, thats fine, but grading how good a player will be is simply impossible, pure speculation.
My draft grade of every NFL team- incomplete until 2012
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 27, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
we should start a new trend here, and start assigning draft grades to the various media oulets that cover the draft, depending on how absurd they sound when giving out draft grades after only a few hours since the end of the draft.
by DCowboy on Apr 27, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sounds good at first
but that would probably only boost their readership, which I would never encourage
by sublimezg on Apr 27, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, and any team that doesn't have a 1st-rounder, or even 2nd, is gonna get a poor grade.
The most we can do is watch what Chicago gets—apparently they didn’t draft on the first day either.
Trust them...they know what they're doing.
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 27, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Gooselin's case it makes sense
his grade is based on his board, and if teams reached or drafted well according to his own value. But generally grades are based on drafting stars, and precieved impact – of which the progcastinators know nothing
by AustonianAggie on Apr 27, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Draft grades...
Bigrigga… agree that grading drafts the day after is complete nonsense. So I join in your ridicule of the national mediots who apparently didn’t like our draft. That said, no one was writing off these grades last year when the collective was handing out A’s and B’s to our draft class. While the concept of grades are premature, I think they beget the underlying question of which teams, in theory, improved the most. Certainly the Giants, Eagles and Skins (Orakapo) seemingly improved themselves with impact picks that could immediately start come September. Have we done the same? Questionable. Perhaps on special teams, but not on either side of the ball. All I can say is I’m keeping my fingers crossed.
by Boundforbeach on Apr 27, 2009 11:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't buy those 1st Round WRs the Eagles and Giants picked - 1st Round WR washout
I think it’s Funny, we picked WR Roy Williams, and they got those picks… we all basically chose WRs, in the toughest division in football
by AustonianAggie on Apr 27, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if we had traded for RW on Friday, everyone would be giving us an A
Tar Heels = National Champs in Basketball ... top 5 in Baseball ... Top 10 this year in Football?
by DalaiLuke on Apr 27, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The draft grades portion of the
VRR post was written by me, not Aaron, I put my name at the bottom trying to be clear, but can definitely see why people are missing that part. Next time I’ll post the name at the beginning to clear up confusion. Your point about draft grades last year is valid, but this post was more about the misinformation in the analysis portion than the actual grade.
by Dave Halprin on Apr 27, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry Grizz...
I read right over your name.
by Boundforbeach on Apr 27, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
because they were right last year
Felix, Jenkins, and Scandrick alone made that draft worth a high grade. Choice put it over the top by what he did late in the season.
by mdlusk on Apr 27, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and Bennett has potential
if he mouth doesn’t get him in hot water
by mdlusk on Apr 27, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you can Pencil in Bennett as a starter
because I have visions of two TEs
by AustonianAggie on Apr 27, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
perhaps so, that Witten-Fasano 2 TE set that Parcells envisioned never really got off the ground
Maybe Witten-Bennett will realize that dream. Come to think of it, I think they will.
by mdlusk on Apr 27, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bfb, remember, unlike the Eagles drafting an unproven WR in the first.
We basically drafted RW a starting proven WR with our first.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
by GunsUp on Apr 27, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't believe WR- Roy Williams is an impact pick ??
OUR 1st rounder….
by My_2_Cents on Apr 27, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really hope so.
But look, the fact is we got him mid-season last year. And no, based on performance alone, his production was not good. I really hope that all changes.
by Boundforbeach on Apr 27, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok....now go watch games film of his first five seasons....where he was surely a dynamic first down producer and end zone threat, and displayed great body control, leaping ability, and sound hands...
he is our first round pick………and ahead of the learning curve of every WR that was just drafted….plain and simple…
by My_2_Cents on Apr 27, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
I love how soft his hands are.
If he gets on page with Romo, I think things will be fine.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 27, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cris Carter was downplaying that RW came to workout early on with Romo.
But I read from ESPNtheMagazine that the 2 have been playing catch at least 4 days a week ALL offseason.
Trust them...they know what they're doing.
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 27, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cris carter
would downplay any positive action this team takes. Not a shocker. Why exactly does ESPN care so much about TO missing camp if getting familiar with your qb isn’t important?
Actually, thats unfair, I forget who but a couple analysts on espn have said pretty positive things about Romo working out early with Roy. Of course, Carter, Bayless and Young aren’t among them.
by foyesboys on Apr 28, 2009 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just a little insight into the Bearcat backfield.
Over the last decade, The Ohio State University has produced some top-notch secondary talent. The National Champions team of 2002 (was it that long ago?) lost their stud defensive coordinator, Mark Dantonio to the Cincinnati Bearcats a season later.
Dantonio recruited both of the Cowboys newest secondary guys while at Cincinnati, so it is no surprise to see them get to the next level. Just watch for this trend to continue at Michigan State.
by ScarletO on Apr 27, 2009 11:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Big you forgot Justin Tucks draft grade on the Cowboys
He was on ESPN First Take this morning and said the Cowboys had the worst draft……lol
I’m coming up from my D- and giving them a straight up C.
by Boyzfan94 on Apr 27, 2009 11:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I go with C, there's some good players and these guys will see the field next year
but no one steps in as the starter right now which is what you need for an A
Boys didn’t reach (like in the 2nd) and we got a lot of players to come compete in Death Camp 2009 – battle for a roster spot (starring about 25 players)
by AustonianAggie on Apr 27, 2009 11:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i reliaze there is some value equivelancy but it's not valid
you draft players who never played in the NFL, you trade for players who have.
Our player aquisition in this regard is far better than the Giants and Eagles, in that we got Roy and they got bottom of the 1st WR hopefuls. But that’s not this particular draft nor a valid way to evaluate how people draft;
if you evaluate a draft the next day, you should look for reaches and value per the competitive field of choosing players vs 31 other choosers. C because Dallas got good value but not A or B because we didn’t make a steal – though time may prove that wrong. SF, for example, made an absolute steal on Crabtree
If say, the 7th round CB turns in to a very good CB (he was highly touted before hurting his knee), then this draft would move up in rating, but thats part of evaluating 2, 3 years later.
Isn’t it painful that it takes 3 years to evalute a talent evaluator, and 4 years to see if they are getting better at it?
by AustonianAggie on Apr 27, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that C seems to be a fair grade
some reviews have said we reached, while others think we got good value. We didn’t get any steals on most peoples boards, aside from maybe hamlin and mickens.
by foyesboys on Apr 27, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We didn't get any steals
Based on most peoples speculation of talent. How accurate are Kiper and Mayock? Do they hit anything close to %50?
Could Jerry have drafted the same players later – most likely. Are any of the players future hall of famers – who really knows.
Don’t discount our new Boys just because the hype machine doesn’t like them. Everybody crapped on the Raiders for biggest reach – just how good is Heywood-Bey, he might be the next Randy Moss, which would make him a steal.
by birdness on Apr 27, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moss was obviously talented coming out
he was awesome in college - Heywood-Bey has only been awesome so far at the combine.
I doubt most of these players could of been picked later – really, they were picked about where people expected; if Dallas had picked guys they could pick later they would be on their way to a D or F, like I’d give the Raiders
by AustonianAggie on Apr 27, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm not discounting anyone
From what i’ve read, I like this draft class. Just saying that its not like last year where we had the steals in scandrick and jenkins, a solid rb pick in choice and felix jones whose like the perfect complement to barber.
by foyesboys on Apr 28, 2009 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eagles also drafted Macho Harris in the 5th
he’s not on the list.
"Oh... Oh, that's giving me a clue. Yeah, ye-yeah, I've got a raging clue right now." Hardly Boy 2 South Park episode, "The Mystery of the Urinal Deuce"
I was StarStruck at TBB/BSR, now...
by icStars on Apr 27, 2009 11:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He is now
Thanks for the correction.
by Dave Halprin on Apr 27, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
look at the time on these two posts... it took Grizz 2 minutes to respond
that’s like running the 40 in 4.6
Tar Heels = National Champs in Basketball ... top 5 in Baseball ... Top 10 this year in Football?
by DalaiLuke on Apr 27, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do y'all really think McGee will be covering kicks?
It’s hard to imagine …
The last two years Dallas has seemed to focus on Special Teams… last year, it was a focus on returner men like Pacman, Felix, now its more clearly coverage
did Dallas acquire any future picks? or will next years draft be blank, just 1 pick per round as it stands?
by AustonianAggie on Apr 27, 2009 11:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
not McGee, Buehler-the kicker not the QB
nt
by mdlusk on Apr 27, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
from the DMN blog
The odds of fourth-round QB Stephen McGee taking a snap during his rookie season are slim. That doesn’t mean the Aggie won’t step foot on the field.
“He’s tough enough, big enough and physical enough that he may be able to go down on kickoffs and do special teams,” Jerry Jones said.
by AustonianAggie on Apr 27, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the next line claims Jerry was joking
so i doubt it I just need to read better
by AustonianAggie on Apr 27, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol, I didn't see that, thanks
that would probably be pretty stupid to do, as in jump the air and tear my ACL in celebration stupid (Grammatica)
by mdlusk on Apr 27, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody puts their backup QB on special teams
Romo takes a big hit, Kitna stinks it up and they your QB is running back kicks? Exception, I bet McGee would do just fine as a holder – laces out!
by birdness on Apr 27, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's not even gonna be doing that... he'll dress and hold a clip-board, end of story
Tar Heels = National Champs in Basketball ... top 5 in Baseball ... Top 10 this year in Football?
by DalaiLuke on Apr 27, 2009 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Romo
started his career carrying a clipboard (although I think he dropped it a couple of times at first).
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
by OskieOskie on Apr 28, 2009 7:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1 pick per round
but dont be shocked if we attempt to trade guys like carp, ellis, watkins, etc
by foyesboys on Apr 27, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Next year should be a good one to have extra picks in
if we can swing it. Supposed to be a much better draft.
by mdlusk on Apr 27, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dallas's draft could easily get A after this season
If Roy gives us 1200 yds and 8+ TD’s that is A in my book.
2-3 years down the road if we got a solid ILB, a solid OL, a solid pass-rush specalist and a back-up good QB the draft was a win.
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
by Wmillion on Apr 27, 2009 11:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
we'd better have a safety for both safety spots, too
or we’ll be lamenting our inability to cover TEs, RBs in the flat, and the long ball up the middle…again.
by mdlusk on Apr 27, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What happens if Buehler >> Folk?
Not only would he be a starter, we would get greater depth on kickoffs with an extra defender coming down the field and a backup safety. That could mean an extra roster spot for another position.
by birdness on Apr 27, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we would never take that risk
unless folk gets hurt and therefore replaced, it is impossible to say whether buehler would be able to make a pressure kick in a meaningful game, so hes probably not gonna get the chance
At least I hope.
by foyesboys on Apr 27, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah I think Folk is secure with FGs
at least for now
by scottmaui on Apr 27, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
also, IF IF Folk were to get injured, we would get more conservative with Buehler
Tar Heels = National Champs in Basketball ... top 5 in Baseball ... Top 10 this year in Football?
by DalaiLuke on Apr 27, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
This is my thinking, there are 3 phases in football, and It appears we got much better at one phase. isn’t the sexiest phase, but it still very important.
Our D lead in sacks last year, but we still lost the field position battle way to often. Special teams killed us. I would love to see what Ware and Spencer can do with some safety oppurtunties.
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
by Wmillion on Apr 27, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
eh I disagree good special teams may be by far the sexiest phase
maybe offense is more so … but exciting special teams plays get everybody excited.
by AustonianAggie on Apr 27, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
hard hitting, energetic special teams would do a world of good for us
Think about it – even our punt returns – there is NOTHING exciting about crayton in the return game.
also, we should be better just from guys returning from injuries: McBriar is a pro bowl caliber punter and felix is back.
by foyesboys on Apr 27, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Competition
means Folk will work hard to improve his kickoffs while Buehler works hard to sharpen up his FGs.
win-win
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
by OskieOskie on Apr 28, 2009 7:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here is an article talking about udfa coming in for rookie camp
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
by cowboy78 on Apr 27, 2009 11:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I would like them to bring in at least one DL
hopefully they can sign Louis Ellis or Khalif Mitchell between now and friday
by quincyyyyy on Apr 27, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's my only problem with the draft.......
i like most here thought Jerry would use the excess # of picks to jump around and kind of pick whomever he wanted. For instance, he see’s Max Unger falling all the way down to two picks ahead of him, so i just thought it cant cost that much to move up a couple of picks in the 2nd round to get the guy you want. Instead, they stayed put, and watched the guy they wanted get picked right in front of them. Now, im not assuming that i know what or who they really wanted, but it seemed to happen all day yesterday with guys they brought in for visits getting picked right ahead of there spot. Gilbert comes to mind in the 3rd round. And its obvious it happened in the 2nd with either Unger or Massaquoi going right before there pick and then watching them trade out at the last second. Jerry has never been shy about going to get the guy he wants. So it just really surprised me to see them sit tight the way they did and actually use all 12 draft picks.
I’m not ripping this draft at all. Just a little confused by it. I mean i kind of like some of the players. I think they got Burnett’s replacement in Jason Williams and anytime they draft guys that can get after the qb like Victor Butler and Brandon Williams im happy. And i loved the pickup of the Bearcats db’s that late in the draft. So to sum it up, i like the players we got, just a little confused about how we got them. Just seems like they took whoever fell to them instead of going to get the guys they really liked. Or maybe they didnt really like anybody!!!!!!!! IM SO DAMNED CONFUSED!!!!!
by TARHEEL PAUL on Apr 27, 2009 11:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Confused
I think is a perfect word for it.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 27, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we have to remember that its a bit more complicated than that you just dont throw down picks and move up other teams (Broncos,Bears) may also be working the phone and offering more. We had to have a willing trading partner to trade,no?
Don't believe everything you think.
Your causes are cute!!!
by stoproyce on Apr 27, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are absolutely right about that.......
They could have been trying to weal and deal all day and we will never no about it.
by TARHEEL PAUL on Apr 27, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
true, and the Broncoes wanted out of the round, the would not even have wanted our #2
Tar Heels = National Champs in Basketball ... top 5 in Baseball ... Top 10 this year in Football?
by DalaiLuke on Apr 27, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah....I totally agree...I actually think the war room was confused by the way this draft went as well...especially in the 2nd round...that was a poor display of confusion, uncertainty and an overall poor trade out.
i have a feeling they’re gonna regret not moving up to get a C Barwin or M Unger in the 2nd, and then missing J Gilbert or B Tate or Barden in the 3rd….Jerry could have traded pick #75 + a 5th & 7th if needed to move up to 64-68 and grab Gilbert…oh well….
all I wanted was Jason Williams-ILB, so some of my draft day wish came through……..
by My_2_Cents on Apr 27, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugggg
Don’t remind me.
I wanted Barwin too.
Damn Texans.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 27, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still processing it
We drafted an unusual kicker who also practiced at safety for USC
Jason Williams, ILB, Western Illinois
Robert Brewster, T/G, Ball State
Stephen McGee, QB, Texas A&M
Victor Butler, OLB, Oregon State
Brandon Williams, OLB, Texas Tech
DeAngelo Smith, CB, Cincinnati
Michael Hamlin, S, Clemson -
David Buehler, K, USC
Stephen Hodge, S, TCU -
John Phillips, TE, Virginia –
Mike Mickens, CB, Cincinnati – he was a 2009 1st round prospect this time last year
Manuel Johnson, WR, Oklahoma -
4/12 are Offensive players, but only one was a OL – I did expect maybe 2 or3 OL players but the one we got may be the one we need, in a pinch can play everywhere and is BIG enough to not always get pushed back ala Proctor
4 secondary players. Are CBs are good as they are but we did have a hole at CB from losing Henry. If DeAngelo really does play Safety then we got 3 safeties on top of the 4 we already have on the roster. We’ll be carrying 4 safeties i think in the season.
2 players putting pressure on Ellis and Spencer. Spencer’s not in the clear here. Nor is Bobby Carpenter. These guys were both statistical sack leaders in NCAA. 5 players for a spot that can go as low as 3.
Bobby Carpenter is going to make the team at ILB for sure this year, will he get a chance to battle for the Starters role against our FA LB? never mind battling Jason Williams
by AustonianAggie on Apr 27, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carp may make it into training camp
but I’m not sure he’ll make it out.
Jason Williams will be on the roster for sure. The real battle may be between Stephen Hodge and Bobby C. If Hodge shows he has good potential at ILB and can make noise on special teams then I can see us trading away Carp.
by quincyyyyy on Apr 27, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I figured it out! We focused on Kick Coverage
because Jerry is expecting Dallas to Kickoff 10 to 20 times a game
by AustonianAggie on Apr 27, 2009 12:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
wouldn't that be nice
it would mean we scored at the least 30 points per game (all 10 scores are FGs), or at the most, 140 points (20 TDs), lol.
by mdlusk on Apr 27, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"We all know it takes 2-3 years to properly evaluate a draft class"
Nah, I got mine done in 2-3 hours. I’m curious what the draft grades were from 3 years ago?
by birdness on Apr 27, 2009 12:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
well
since carp sucked and fasano is paying off for miami, it sucks.We graded it poorly then to i believe – everyone was POed we took carp and fasano, although given how much we like bennet now i’m not sure there was good reason to be mad about fasano. Hatcher, watkins and mcquistant have either contributed or provided depth. No real steals, about the value you’d expect with picks 3-7.
That draft was probably a C- to a D, though for some reason i feel like carp will do well elsewhere.
by foyesboys on Apr 27, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you on Carp
he is more of a 4-3 LB than a 3-4, so if we trade him or just outright release him and he goes to a 4-3 defense, I think he could turned out to be a good player.
by DCowboy on Apr 27, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a good football player suceeds no matter what syestem there in.
The guy hasnt been able to sniff the field other that special teams. They have moved him around so much because they have tried to find a way to get him on the field. Parcells couldnt find a spot for him and neither could Wade. Fact is, the guy is a sub par nfl player. I dont think putting him in 4-3 is going to instantly make him better. He cant even get on the field in the nickel. Not only because Burnett was so good at it either. Burnett is gone and they go out and draft a guy with there first pick to replace him.
by TARHEEL PAUL on Apr 27, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
while i agree with you
I can’t help but think about the seattle game where he covered up our massive inability to cover rbs in the flats. He was all over the place that game.
by foyesboys on Apr 28, 2009 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just wondering
Did the Cowboys not take a look at Ron Brace or not have him rated as a second rounder? The Pats go him at #40. I’m sure we could have traded up a few picks.
by ym on Apr 27, 2009 1:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
hard to evaluate a draft class as a success so early...
but it is reasonable to say that a class did not address certain needs.
like some others here, i was hoping the cowboys would pick up several OL. they need a guy that can play if kosier goes down – preferably immediately. they need someone to challenge for the backup spot behind kosier, because the guys we had last year were just awful when they had the chance or weren’t good enough to even get a chance. they need a guy to groom at LT. we need a guy or two to compete for backup NT. we got very little to address those needs.
did we really need to spend a pick, ANY pick on a 3rd string TE? did we really need OLB projects more than guys for ILB?
i realize that a draft can’t just be about current needs. but if you’re drafting bpa, you need to really get the best player available. did the cowboys?
by g8tgod on Apr 27, 2009 1:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
teams can't satisfy all needs in one draft class, simply impossible
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 27, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holland
can play immediately if Kosier goes down. He played well in his short time but then go hurt himself, it wasn’t because he was awful. In fact that might be the one oline position where there could even be a battle for starting spot.
As for TE, they let Curtis go, and they run a lot of 2 and even 3 TE sets, so we’ll need another TE on the roster. Hannah can be a contender from the PS, but good to have some competition for that spot.
by scottmaui on Apr 27, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Proctor Holland and Brewster will be competing vs each other
Proctor has the advantage of also being a center
by AustonianAggie on Apr 27, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brewster has the advantage of playing guard and tackle.......
oh, and the fact that they just spent a 3rd round pick on him. Procter is as good as toast. Now, someone explain to me again why we put a 2nd round tender on him?
by TARHEEL PAUL on Apr 27, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I thought that was high too
but they can still cut him after camp if they feel Brewster has the goods
by scottmaui on Apr 27, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm happy with the draft for two reasons
We drafted a bunch of great athletes who will number one, put pressure on our backups and maybe even beat them out in TC and number two, make our special teams special again.
Also, just because these guys weren’t rated high by the likes of Mel Kiper or Todd McShay doesn’t mean they don’t have a chance to start someday. I even see a few players who could easily end up as starter in a few years, namely, J Williams, Brewster and Hamlin and some players with a lot of time in dime packages like Smith, Mickens and B Williams.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 27, 2009 1:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I was more suprised by the picking of 2 OLB players
consecutively than I was even by the selection of McGee
Also, I’m still looking for insight in to why we passed on Sidbury twice while drafting players similar to him, and why the rest of the NFL did too
by AustonianAggie on Apr 27, 2009 1:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
According to dallascowboys radio during the draft...........
they did not have a high opinion of Sidbury during his visit.
by TARHEEL PAUL on Apr 27, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, I think Mark Sanchez is going nowhere
probably even quicker than Matt Lienart who actually played in big games
jets are awful at this drafting thing
by AustonianAggie on Apr 27, 2009 1:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he'll be that bad.
I think he’s in an excellent situation, they’ll be run first and defensively stout.
He’s definitly not Carson Palmer, but I think he’s better than Lienart whom was surrounded by ridiculous offensive talent.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 27, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you Airforce....
and I like the McGee pick-up because I’ve been saying all along that if he were playing for another college team he would have been a top draft pick. The kid grew up about 30 miles outside of Austin and he had all kinds of records coming out of high school. I’m sure you know he was throwing to Jordan Shipley?
by texstar on Apr 27, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is Sanchez better than Lienart?
Lienart played 4 years, started twice as many games, and won a National Championship, was a 4th down stop away from another. He could have been the first overall pick as a Junior. Instead he stayed and the next two QB prospects (Smith and Rodgers) did nothing in the NFL. The next year GMs shied away from QBs and Lienart’s stock fell.
On the otherhand, Sanchez managed a talented team, but didn’t blow anybody away. He benefits from Matty Ice and Flaco both leading their teams to the playoffs. Now every GM sees a new QB as the ticket to the show.
Playing at USC is fantastic prep for the NFL, playing in sunny SoCal is no prep for playing in NY.
by birdness on Apr 27, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just have it on two fronts
Sanchez 1 year starter – they gave up a lot for a guy with limited game film, a glamorous guy who’s not gotten knocked around a lot yet
and then the Jets – the Jets are still living off the talent infussion Bill Parcels gave them like 15 years ago;
by AustonianAggie on Apr 27, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
?
What talent do they still have from Parcells era?
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 27, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the players they traded for draft picks - canibalizing them
which they follow up by drafting poorly – the Jets are just rudderless as a franchise, expcept for a brief period in the late 60s early 70s and the late 90s
by AustonianAggie on Apr 27, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those players weren't there when Bill was there.
I agree that the Jets have a horrible history, but non of those guys were there when Parcells was coaching.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 27, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't remember their names
the guys they traded to Atlanta … to tell you the truth I’m not even sure I remember BP was there… 1998?
by AustonianAggie on Apr 27, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1996-1999
As head coach, GM for a year or two after that.
by kindablue on Apr 27, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correction
1997-1999 as head coach.
by kindablue on Apr 27, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the only two i can think of
jon abraham and Pennington i think. So no, they’re not living off them anymore.
by foyesboys on Apr 28, 2009 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just saying it
from watching him play and the supporting cast around him.
But I said earlier, I’m not real high on him either. He isn’t worth a first rounder.
Just an opinion.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 27, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
News, Notes, and Nuggets by Novinger
Aaron is a great reporter. I think he’s better than the network big name guys – he gets the facts straight.
Some perspective on the draft. I have to admit that last year, I was disappointed when we drafted Felix. I thought we got a guy who was successful because he was in the backfield with Darren McFadden. I know there were quite a few of you who felt the same.
I’m feeling the same disappointment about this draft, but now I’m wondering if that’s just me. I’m the kid at Christmas who wants the shiny, battery operated whiz bang toy that’s heavily advertised on TV by Mattel. You know the one that you play with for a couple hours then it breaks or you become bored with it?
Instead I got some plain old wooden blocks in lots of different shapes and sizes and colors. I found that I played with those for months because I could build with them, use them with other toys I had, the flexibility and the combinations were endless. So, I got a l ot of use out of them.
I didn’t like ‘em so much on Christmas Day but I sure got my parent’s money’ s worth out those building blocks.
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
by Jim Vance on Apr 27, 2009 1:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I was pissed when Jerry drafted Felix, because I fell in love with a certain 40 time.
This year I think Jerry reached in the 3rd and some of the 4th, but I can stomach a second day reach. I’m dissappointed that he didn’t trade up for ‘my guys’, or trade out into next year, but at least he put a player on most of the need positions.
At the very least, the depth on this team will step up, or be upgraded by these new prospects.
by birdness on Apr 27, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jim is showing his age...........
when he talks about getting wood building blocks for christmas! LOL! Kidding Jim, building blocks are classic.
by TARHEEL PAUL on Apr 27, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we had to go out, cut the tree and carve the wood
Tar Heels = National Champs in Basketball ... top 5 in Baseball ... Top 10 this year in Football?
by DalaiLuke on Apr 27, 2009 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I Was a Kid...
Trees hadn’t even been invented yet. We had to play with mosses and lichens on coastal rocks.
I’ll tell ya, kids today have it too easy, blah blah blah.
by kindablue on Apr 27, 2009 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny stuff
mosses and lichens, and if you were lucky, a stromatolite.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Apr 27, 2009 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Peter King just won't stop writing about Abraham Elam
anyone remember why Dallas let him end up in NY?
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not suckered by Peter King, I don’t think Elam is all that – but he would of been adequate the last two years
by AustonianAggie on Apr 27, 2009 2:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't remember a single article written
about the competition needed in the kickoff specialist aspect of our team. And for all to simply drink the koolaid and justify a 5TH ROUND PICK for a kicker who evidently is going to revolutionize the kickoff specialist, punt covering safety-in-a-pinch position falls in to the category of justifying why Wade should be HC for another year. Just look the other way and try to find the positive.
I’m not pooh-poohing the entire draft but it’s okay to disagree with a pick instead of justifying it any way possible. It was a terrible decision to give a gameday position to another kicker and use a 5th round pick to do it.
It appears as if we attacked all aspects of special teams without giving any one or two aspects a chance to work:
Can we give the ST coach a chance to improve the squad without using 6-7 picks in the draft to do it?
Can we give the 6-7 draft picks a chance to cover kicks before we add kickoff specialist?
Can we focus on position needs in the draft since we drafted a guy who can kick it through the back, thus focusing less attention on coverage?
I have been calling for improvement in ST since the Giants playoff game. We are all now pleading for it after last year but this was overkill. With all that said, I hope I am wrong. Only time will tell.
by cow_fanatic on Apr 27, 2009 3:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I can see your point for sure.
I’ll say this, if the guy can nail a huge percentage through the endzone then IMO he’s worth the pick, if not.. cut him.
But I definitly see where you’re coming from.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 27, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I see this being a lost draft. A kicker and a QB that will never see the field. Add a bunch of ST players that I do not see too many of them making the final 53. Jason Williams may be the only exception.
by eightball on Apr 27, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The QB
I think Dallas is thinking this, develop a good backup and if Romo is still around and he has developed into something good, turn around and trade him for a second rounder like GB did for years.
I don’t think this was a great draft but its not as bad as your making it out to be.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 27, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I think the K and QB are both justifiable
We need a 3rd QB to basically train as the backup once Kitna is out of here in a couple years, and if he does develop really well he could have good trade value.
As for the kicker, I think he will see the field. I don’t think the Safety part of it is happening, but having a guy who can make great kickoffs, get a lot of TBs, and also be a sure tackler as part of the coverage unit could very well be worth a roster spot, especially with the new 2-man wedge rules. I don’t think we can forget that aspect, and the boys do seem ahead of the curve in adjusting to that change.
by scottmaui on Apr 27, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed....
some of you guys probably are too young to remember when Gil Brandt was in charge of Scouting. They would always come up with these guys named Charlie Waters, Cliff Harris, Nate Newton etc. You would be asking yourself, where in the world did they come up with these guys? Sure enough, they would turn out to be pro-bowlers. My point is, sometimes we question their moves, but they sometimes are a diamond in the rough.
by texstar on Apr 27, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but they weren't drafted
out of value positions. Draft all the kickers you want, just don’t use 5th rounders to do it
by cow_fanatic on Apr 27, 2009 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the draftniks had him as a possible 4th
Tar Heels = National Champs in Basketball ... top 5 in Baseball ... Top 10 this year in Football?
by DalaiLuke on Apr 27, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and when you have 12 second-day picks...
plus wasn’t this their compensatory so they had to use it anyway
by scottmaui on Apr 27, 2009 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Buehler
will boot it into the end zone most of the time, and on the kicks that are inside the 5, he will run down and make the tackle.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
by OskieOskie on Apr 28, 2009 7:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK
Don’t use most of your draft picks with ST in mind if the kicker is going to do it all. Move up 2 spots and get Unger in the 2nd and move up one spot and get Gilbert in the 3rd.
by cow_fanatic on Apr 28, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The kickoff unit is only one of several...
Special Teams
Kickoff
Kickoff Return
Punt
Punt Return
Field Goal
Field Goal Defense
etc.
I’m sure you already knew that, but the point being, our new KO kicker may only improve one of those units. We still needed lots of help on each of the ST units…………..thus our draft focus was to help the TOTAL special teams.
by BishopWest on Apr 28, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not for teams
that have pro bowl kickers
by cow_fanatic on Apr 27, 2009 6:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Was Folk Drafted?
Not sure what round but I think he was worth it. I have no problem with it if he can boom it for a touchback or kick it deep enough. Last year I thought Scandrick and Choice were bad picks since we drafted Jenkins and Jones in the 1st round. They turned out to be key contributers to the team. Who did everyone want in the 2nd round anyway? Once all the better safetys went off early to mid round and I didnt think there was a wr or ol worth drafting that high so they traded out.
by B-Real on Apr 27, 2009 6:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah, he was 6th round pick
and at the time there was a lot of “draft a kicker? huh?” but then mr. ice-veins won everyone over. hopefully we’ll end up feeling the same way about buehler.
by scottmaui on Apr 27, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
buehler
if he actually proves to be a good special teamer, I think it gives us a massive advantage to a. have a kicker who can kick deep and b. have 11 guys against 10 blockers. I don’t think 5-6 yards of starting position a kick is out of the question, which is a pretty ridiculous difference imo.
We had 5 kicks out of bounds last year. Next was washington with 4, green bay and jacksonville with 3, and noone else had more than 2.
We were dead last in the league in touchbacks. 29 teams had 6 or more.
our average kickoff distance was 60.5 yards (31st). Seems like the nfl averaged around 64.
And even though i didn’t go through the numbers, looking at the nfl.com special teams site, it looks like we’re 3-4 yards shy of the league average in terms of starting field position.
by foyesboys on Apr 28, 2009 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
of the 5 kicks out of bounds
1 was an “onside kick” that no one touched – not sure it should really count
But your point is well taken
The other 4 out of bounds kicks probably came as Folk was trying to “directional-kick” and they bounced out of bounds between the goal line and the 10 yard line. Reason: Our kick coverage unit was one of the very worst in the NFL.
With an emphasis on drafting for special teams (tacklers) and a kicker – I hope the problem is solved. We’ll see?
by BishopWest on Apr 28, 2009 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea i remembered one was,
but i wasn’t sure if nfl.com counted them. reason being – if they go out of bounds on our side of the 40, it really doesn’t matter if they went out of bounds cause the return team will take it at the OB spot.
by foyesboys on Apr 29, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hindsights 20-20
Noone was pitching a KO specialist pre-draft, we wanted our coverage better
by cow_fanatic on Apr 29, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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