The Draft That Could Have Been
by 5Blings on Apr 27, 2009 1:25 PM CDT
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Okay, I know hindsight is 20/20, but after what I consider to be a pretty frustrating 2 days with Jerry and Cisky, I thought I might pose a 'What Could Have Been' scenario, based on who was available to us in each of the spots that we eventually picked at. I won't even make a stab at what we could have done at #51, I'll start at #69 and work down...
#69
Jason Williams - LB
Who we chose from; after missing on Unger earlier, it was him or Michael Johnson. I took the guy with the better motor. I don't love the pick, but it is what it is.
#75
Brandon Tate - WR
Who we chose from; Tate, Antoine Caldwell, Ramses Barden, LaDarius Webb and Rashad Johnson and the guy we took, Brewster.
There was good talent here and I could have been swayed towards the Safety Johnson, but I think Tate will be a #1 WR in this league when he fully recovers from injury.
#101
TJ Lang - OL
Who we chose from; Lang, Jonathan Luigs, Donald Washington and Dorell Scott. We took McGee, the QB with the torn up shoulder and not a lot of film from a lost Senior campaign.
Hard to argue with Lang's toughness and the fact that we need a lot of help behind the starting OT's.
#110
Vaughn Martin - NT
Who we chose from; Martin, Sammie Lee Hill, Chip Vaughn. We took...Victor Butler.
Okay, this one is tough because Sammie Lee is right there with Martin and Martin is more of a project, but we are more thin at NT than DE, which seems like Sammie Lee's more natural spot. I wouldn't have cared either way. The Butler pick is just jaw-droppingly inept, IMO.
#120
Lawrence Sidbury - LB/DE
Who we chose from; Sidbury, Greg Toler , Terrance Taylor, Brandon Williams who we took and Troy (say it with me now, "Go Pork") Kropog.
I went with Sidbury because of his pass rush skills and some unnerving comments from Carl Shelton about Anthony Spencer. Williams was another head scratcher for me.
#143
Scott McKillop - LB
Who we chose from; McKillop, Jasper Brinkley, Marcus Freeman, Duke Robinson, Jamon Meredith, Victor "macho" Harris and our guy, DeAngelo Smith.
Obviously, Dallas wanted to restock its LB corps, so I am playing along here, but I'm also playing to the need for tougher, harder working guys in the locker room and on the practice field.
#166
Michael Hamlin - S
Who we chose from; Hamlin, Herman Johnson, Joe Burnett and Nate Davis.
This was the right pick given the need, the slot and the players available.
#172
Andrew Gardner - OT
Who we chose from; Gardner, Morgan Trent, Tom Brandstater, Coye Francies and the guy we took, David Buehler...the kicker. Gardner has areas for improvement, but have you seen our depth at OT? Nuff' said.
#197
Ra'Shon Harris - DT
Who we chose from; Harris, Myron Pryor, Curtis Painter and our guy, Stephen Hodge.
Harris went to Pittsburgh and will likely play some DE in their 3-4. He could have done the same for us after Spears' impending departure. Hodge?
#208
Captain Munnerlyn - CB
Who we chose from; Munnerlyn, A.Q. Shipley, Paul Fanaika, and...John Phillips, the guy we picked.
We lost Pacrat and Henry. Time to find better backups for our starting trio. Munnerlyn is short and quick like Scandrick.
#227
Mike Mickens - CB
Who we chose from; Mickens, Trevor Canfield, Courtney Greene.
Best pick of our 12, IMO. Might even be a steal.
#230
Nick Reed - LB/DE
Who we chose from; Reed, Sammie Stroughter, Zack Follett, Tiquan Underwood, Chris Baker (sorry Quincyyy) and, oh yeah, Manuel Johnson, our pick.
This seems like another no-brainer for me because he brings fire and intensity that Dallas needs so dearly. Also, he is another LB with some versatility for Wade's 46 schemes.
As if that wasn't enough, Mike Reilly, my favorite QB from the Combine and one who reminds me of Romo a lot, was available as an Undrafted Free Agent, so that could have satisfied our need for a #3 to groom.
In the scenario above, we would have ended up with;
Williams
Brandon Tate
TJ Lang
Vaughn Martin
Lawrence Sidbury
Scott McKillop
Hamlin
Andrew Gardner
Ra' Shon Harris
Captain Munerlyn
Mickens
Nick Reed
They were all there for the taking, but Jerry thought different. I know we didn't take a kicker, but there were some kickoff-specialist guys who didn't get drafted and could have been signed after the draft. So, that's one version of 'What Could Have Been'.
GO COWBOYS
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We are not thin at OLB/DE?
when Ellis leaves after this season (or we trade him), who is behind Spencer and Ware? Nobody.
by quincyyyyy on Apr 27, 2009 1:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
All those players are all unproven just like the ones we picked. So what makes them better than the others? I feel like we picked up all are needs and since were competing with 9 other 34 teams the talent for those players arent as thick as they are for a 43 team. I say in 3 years we can say what this draft truely is until then lets not jump to conclusions about the players we drafted.
I thank God everyday i wasnt born a Eagles fan!!!!!!
by regaberto on Apr 27, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what everyone says when they get D's and F's from the talking heads
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 27, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What Picks would of made a impact this year?
Were not picking Top ten talent… Nobody would of pushed for a starting Job, We missed the Top tier safteys Nobody eles is gonna be better than Sensi, We missed Unger No one eles would of pushed for a starting job, We picked areas of need in a weak draft. So why is it you care so much about what people think of are draft? There are alot of things playing into affect next year and Jerry and Co must of had something in mind when they did this draft. We got a Solid MLB Some Solid Depth at CB and Saftey and some Projects for OLB and maybe even our Future QB i dont see why your panties are all in a bunch over this draft
I thank God everyday i wasnt born a Eagles fan!!!!!!
by regaberto on Apr 27, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well said
what most fans fail to realize is that after about the first 20-25 players, all the players in this draft were about the same.
No way anyone we could have drafted in rds3-7 could have made any impact for us this year, they’re all backup guys, no matter who you select.
I think they were smart to go out and take ST guys as a result.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 27, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and what do the talking heads know??
certainly not as much as our scouting dept, thats for sure.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 27, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Add Sidbury and sign a guy in the next off season...
If you try to force a position, you end up with this;
2 Dwayne Goodrich Tennessee
4 Kareem Larrimore West Texas A&M
5 Michael Wiley Ohio State
6 Mario Edwards Florida State
7 Orantes Grant Georgia
Three DB’s and zero talent.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 27, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why are you assuming Sidbury is better than the two we drafted?
So basically you are saying we shouldn’t address it at all, and let it be thin on the off chance both of them become busts?
I think it is more likely that at least one of them will be at the very least a solid backup.
by quincyyyyy on Apr 27, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Production in College?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 27, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Riiiiiiiight. Did Sidbury have more production in college?
by quincyyyyy on Apr 27, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he played in a division with other high profile players
…and he stood out enough to get noticed in a big pond.
Does level of competition matter?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 27, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scratch that...
I was answering four different posts.
But Sidbury had 11.5 sacks with 4 in his national championship game and 20 Tackles For Loss.
Everything I read about Williams says his instincts are poor.
Either way, going BANZAI on LB’s without looking once at OT, especially the left side, is still my primary beef with this draft.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 27, 2009 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
what if the Cowboys didn't like any LTs in rds 3-7?
you want them to reach for one??
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 28, 2009 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With what we have at OT...
no one with a Wonderlic higher than Vince Young’s would have called it a reach.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 28, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I personally think Brewster can play both guard and tackle
he’s athletic with quick feet who just needs to get stronger and work with some pro coaches.
I doubt guys like Loadholt or anyone else in rds 3-7 are any better prospects.
Hey, we missed on Unger and that was a tough break but sometimes you get lucky in a draft like we did in 2005 when Detroit by passed Ware and sometimes you get unlucky like this year, thats just how the draft works, its a crapshoot, not an exact science.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 28, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed on Loadacrapholt
However, Terry, you can’t deny how thin we are at tackle and the fact that we didn’t address it in the draft OR go after some of the undrafted free agents like Cadogan, is spellbindingly incompetent.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 28, 2009 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They've gotta have something up their sleeves for the LT position.
They’ll probably see what Free’s about this TC and if he’s not all that and Flo is still just some of what he was, then they’ll scour the waiver wire or make a trade like they did for Holland last year.
Plus, maybe their eyes are on the 2010 class in regards to re-beefing the offense.
Trust them...they know what they're doing.
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 28, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Possibly
but I can’t remember the last time a serviceable backup LT was found on the waiver wire.
Then again, I would never have thought we’d get a pro bowl QB from the undrafted free agent pool either.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 28, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They've got camp bodies they will be able to trade.
Plus, Holland came over through a late round deal; so, hopefully they’ll be able to find a willing partner deep at T with whom they can tango.
But I do think Holland was had for a 2010 pick, so there’s one less trade bullet in the clip. They can, of course, keep the trend going by trading a 2011 pick—that’d be a hoot.
Trust them...they know what they're doing.
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 28, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be a good post...
A group of potential trading partners in terms of our needs and strengths paired with other teams’ needs and strengths.
I’ll leave that to someone like BishopWest.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 28, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Levi Jones
will likely be cut or traded from the bengals. I have no clue how much that would cost us, but considering how poorly we draft and trade OL, I can see us going that route if its cheap. Probably won’t be cheap enough though.
by foyesboys on Apr 28, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Loadholt is really just a right tackle.
I don’t think there is any other position in the NFL he can play.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 28, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Given the speed of the NFL edge rushers, he is a bust in the making
Orakpo made him look like a scrub.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 28, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now, I know almost squat about Free
except that he doesn’t look to be a LT that can be confused with a RT. He’s probably the most athletic tackle on the squad.
Found this nugget on him from Scouts, Inc.
He shows outstanding quickness and mobility for his size. Is an agile offensive lineman with the ability to consistently reach the second-level and hit the moving target in the running game. He gives a great effort on every play and will impress you with his motor. He shows good quickness in his set and rarely will get beat by speed off the edge.
His strengths are in the area Flo is weak at, and his weaknesses are in the area Flo is strong in.
Lacks ideal bulk and will struggle to anchor versus bigger, more powerful bull rushers. Base is somewhat narrow and he must learn to play with more consistent leverage.
Maybe we can morph the two? he, he
Trust them...they know what they're doing.
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 28, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder...
how these guys who don’t have the requisite base (too light in the pants, weak upper bodies, etc.) are progressing under the tutelage of Juraszek.
I read on here a few times that people were criticizing him for his techniques and how they were negatively impacting the o-line, more than anywhere else on the roster.
Any thoughts?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 28, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never heard much grumbling about Juraszek until after this year.
That is probably a result of the injuries last year. But in ‘07 didn’t the whole Oline start every game?
And I coulda swore that the Tuna really praised Coach Joe’s program. That was years ago, so hopefully he’s not slipping. He certainly helped Bradie James lift “more than a box of kleenex”!
Trust them...they know what they're doing.
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 28, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we did address tackle in the draft
why do you keep ignoring the fact we drafted Brewster, he can play both guard and tackle.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 28, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because he projects to guard...
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 28, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but Wade has said he can play both
thats one of the reasons they drafted him, to be a versatile swing OL they can eventually dress him on game days to backups both guard and tackle positions.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 28, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wade likely won't be here in 300 days
I would take what he says with a grain of salt.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 28, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But the Front Office will remain
And they think that he’s capable of playing LT.
I also think that he has enough athletic hability to play the position and that has everything to do with his measurables (3 cone drill and 20 yard shuttle times) at close to 330 pounds of weight and how he looks in the small vids that I’ve found of the Ball State Offense. The guy can move and he’s one mean SOB. His problem lies in his team playing a spread offense, the guy is a project that needs time with a pro coach.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
by Chandus on Apr 28, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well said
Any tackle that big with dancers feet has a chance to be a really good LT. He seems to have the work ethic and smarts to elevate his game to the next level, I’m sure that what our scouts saw in him and why we picked him.
He definitely has the tools and skill set.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 28, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hire overweight dancers to replace Flo?
Don’t give JJ any (new) ideas!
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 28, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spread Offenses
…screw up players wanting to transition to the NFL.
QB’s have no clue how to drop back and read.
O-linemen have no experience in narrow splits and pro set rush lane integrity.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 28, 2009 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some concerns with Brewster from scouting reports
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/556758
He is too bow-legged to … change direction to handle edge rushers in isolated situations
He’s bow legged, preventing him from generating an explosive first step. Will look lethargic when he has to suddenly turn and run with the play and is better off at an interior line position, where his obvious lack of explosion can be covered up
His best attribute is his ability to down block and with his lack of ideal height and his bow legs, moving him inside to guard is expected at the next level
When he is isolated on the edge, his bow legs and poor hip snap are evident in his inability to mirror the quicker pass rushers.
Compares To: DARYN COLLEDGE, Green Bay — Brewster has a low center of gravity, but like Colledge, he might be better served as an offensive guard, where his short pulls, low pad level and hand punch will be more effective widening the rush lane. Lacks the explosive first step or lateral mobility to handle speedy edge rushers, but he is a tenacious blocker who plays with aggression. At this time, he looks like a better interior prospect than playing on an island at tackle.
by BishopWest on Apr 28, 2009 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
geez...what's up with the bow legs...
another post your Brewster comments sounded great…this one tears him apart…
by My_2_Cents on Apr 28, 2009 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My point is
he is not a OT, but I think should be a very good OG
by BishopWest on Apr 28, 2009 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He may be ready to play OG much, much sooner than OT
and when I read this scouting report, I wonder if he can overcome his physical limitations to play OT, especially on the left side where the speed rushers some to Romo’s blindside.
I feel we still need OT backup – unless Free shows me something I haven’t seen yet!
by BishopWest on Apr 28, 2009 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course the guy has concerns, he was drafted in the 3rd Round....
But the guy has athletic hability bow legs or not, you can’t get the type of numbers that he got in the 20 yard shuttle and 3 cone drill if you don’t have that.
The thing here is: Out of all the prospects drafted after the 51st pick who looks like a better LT option?
Loadholt? Of course not!
Beatty? One year wonder. That’s a HUGE red flag. Much bigger than bow legs.
Later Round guys? A lot of teams didn’t think much about them… Undrafted guys? You’ve got to be kidding me!
The team should have traded up to draft Unger? He’s a worse T prospect than Brewster!
I had Brewster on my last mock in the morning of the 24, so it isn’t as if I’m high on Brewster just because or team drafted him, I as high on him before the Draft came to happen.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
by Chandus on Apr 28, 2009 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the second time you said "hability"
What is that?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 29, 2009 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
So if ‘hability’ is synonymous with ‘ability’, what’s the purpose of the word given that its definition is the same word less the first letter?
Seems like the “h” was intentionally made obsolete (?)
;-)
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 29, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, who's the better option that would have been a much better LT prospect?
Andrew Gardner? The guy that you have on your mock? That’s what I would call a reach… I’ll only use the name Rob Petitti…
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
by Chandus on Apr 29, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beatty
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 29, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One year wonder Beatty?
Did you miss the part of teams valuing work ethic, love for the game, coachability, thoughness, leadership qualities and character?
Ummmm, yeah, one year wonder Beatty fits that profile… No, he doesn’t.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
by Chandus on Apr 29, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beatty was graded as a 1st rounder
Lets be honest here, you can’t hype up Brewster and just knock Beatty…He had a good Senior Bowl week and showed some great athleticism, his ONLY knock was that he wasn’t strong enough and needed to bulk up, ideally he’d of gotten to do that behind Flozell.
He was looked at like a 1st rounder, had we taken him at 51 he would of been a steal at that point.
by LonghornsLegend on May 1, 2009 2:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course, Beatty has potential
But where was that potential in his 3 previous seasons? Resting somewhere in his body? Not interested in showing up?
That’s why he dropped and became late 2nd Round draftee, you just can’t know what you’re going to get and probablities show you that out of 4 years he wasn’t worthy of a 1st day pick in 3 years.
1/4.
Very simple. And Dallas wasn’t looking at getting such a character.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
by Chandus on May 1, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are down on Beatty, I get that...
What about the fact that he was a 3-year starter, paved the way for the nation’s leading running back in Donald Brown and made George Selvie look foolish in 2 separate games? It’s not like Beatty was an unknown coming into the year.
You keep talking about his character too. The guy’s parents are both pastors and he’s supposedly a good locker room guy.
You mentioned above the 3-cone for Brewster, but Beatty did better. In the bench, Beatty got 27, Brewster 23. In the 40, the Vertical and the Broad Jumps? Beatty did better in each drill.
Neither one of these guys would start immediately, but it’s hard to see a guy who obviously excells in pass pro not being taken. In the area of athletic hability, Beatty is a much better prospect, wouldn’t you agree?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on May 1, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but showing his full potential in his last year
Isn’t what I would call an ideal prospect.
For better or for worse, our team turned their backs on prospects like that.
They wanted hard workers and though football guys with football smarts. A guy that didn’t showed his full potential until his last year, his pro football audition, his big pay day, doesn’t fits the profile.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
by Chandus on May 1, 2009 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're overly harsh
Sometimes, it takes a while for players to put it all together.
We’ll see how Beatty does through the season.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on May 2, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also think
that if something happened to Flozell and we needed a back up and if free was not ready. Put one of our many Guard back ups in for Big Davis and move davis to Tackle. He is not as good there but he was serviceable. Jerry hinted at this when they took Big.
by cowboyfan on Apr 30, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bling...you don't feel the 3 or so undrafted free agent OT's we signed are possible roster players ??
by My_2_Cents on Apr 28, 2009 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Isdaner
He has that toughness I like on the o-line, coupled with good smarts, but he’s an OG.
Turkovich is likely a camp body.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 29, 2009 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure both Williams and Butler had double digit sacks
in much better conferences.
by quincyyyyy on Apr 27, 2009 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Butler...
played in the Pac 10. He had 12 sacks. I am pretty sure that that beats an FCS school like Richmond from a talented competition perspective.
Having said that, both are talented players, but Sidbury was the sexy pick. Why? I don’t know.
by BVandy on Apr 27, 2009 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wr
I also think wr is a waste of a pick – do we really want another developmental guy? Crayton is a PROVEN solid #3. Austin has the potential to be a real #2 deep threat. We still have stanback. We also have two tes and 3 rbs to incorporate into the offense. I just don’t see a wr as a need, aside from upgrading the back of the roster
by foyesboys on Apr 27, 2009 1:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's fair
I believe Tate becomes a #1 for New England after he is fully healed. It was tremendous value at #75.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 27, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moss and welker
are going to eat up so many receptions for the pats in the passing game for at least the next 2 years that I find it hard to believe anyones going to make a significant difference for them.
by foyesboys on Apr 27, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
They are going to more 4WR sets with Galloway and Tate.
As if they weren’t scary enough.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 27, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
regardless
Moss and Welker are going to see 7-10 looks a game.
I actually had no idea they signed galloway though. ridiculous .greg Lewis is also there, i’m not sure tate immediately beats him out.
by foyesboys on Apr 27, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good value.
For Tate, but you don’t even know if he’ll ever be the same or if he’s going to end up being that good in the NFL.
WR’s are so hard to figure out.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 27, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he'll probably smoke himself out of the league
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 27, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not true either.
You are big onto putting stigmas on players bro.
Just because a player does something wrong once, doesn’t mean he’s automatically not going to learn from it.
There are plenty of them who do learn.
I went to the drunk tank when I was 22 because I was with a few friends who had gotten rowdy, that doesn’t mean I’m an alcholic.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 27, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Give Tate a break
Butch Davis was his head coach. Can you blame him for self medicating?
by DoomsdayD75 on Apr 27, 2009 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I’m sure Terry wouldn’t support drop kicking Newton and Irvin off of the 90’s team.
He’s okay with Romo partying with movie stars into the night, though.
Double standards anyone?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 27, 2009 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is partying illegal??
Goodell wasn’t the commish in the 90s.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 28, 2009 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If someone were to gave given you...
$1 million to not get drunk before one of the most important days of your life, what would you have done? Do you think you would have still wound up in the drunk tank?
The difference between picked at the top of the 2nd round and the top of the 3rd round is about $2 million.
by BVandy on Apr 28, 2009 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying he wasn't a moron.
Don’t get me wrong.
But that wasn’t what I was trying to say. I’m trying to say that you can’t always think that every person that gets in trouble will constantly be troublemakers.
Just because you do something once doesn’t make you an addict.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 28, 2009 7:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
keep this in mind
more people don’t change than do change, and if a kid smokes pot before the combine, he certainly is going to after getting a lot of dough in his pocket.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 28, 2009 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not a certainty.
Get off your highhorse.
I agree with you that its an added risk, but people do change sometimes.
I wouldn’t wanted to have taken the risk with him, but thats me.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 28, 2009 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not on any horse
I’m just saying in the Goodell era, drafting kids who have shown poor judgment is a very, very risky decision.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 28, 2009 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with that.
But your acting like just because the guy has done something wrong he WILL do something wrong.
I don’t think that decision shows addiction as much as it does bad judgement.
Sorry if I seem irritated, but just the other day you made fun of someone that had a disability that he couldn’t even control.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 28, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that wasn't directed at the player personally
that was directed at my_2_cents for calling Delmas stupid just because he scored a 12 on the wonderlic.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 28, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Football intelligence isn't synonymous with Wonderlic
We know that.
At the same time, a 12 scares me in terms of a player’s ability to grasp the mental aspects of the game.
That plays bigger at some positions than others.
For instance, o-linemen need to have a decent Wonderlic because of the line calls, assignments, etc.
Nose Tackles? not so much…“hey, you just crash into this guy AND this guy and try to get through them to tackle this guy…get it?”
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 28, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ummm...QB of the D-(FS)...needs to have "smarts"....
by My_2_Cents on Apr 28, 2009 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I totally agree
football smarts, not wonderlic IQ samrts
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 29, 2009 7:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe both
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 29, 2009 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ummm
you said he couldn’t even spell cat if you gave him the c and the t….
That’s still pretty wrong.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 28, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
unless he can't...
in which case it is an accurate reflection of someone’s spelling ability, or lack thereof.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 28, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol..your right.....who did he did say that about Nate Davis ???
hypocrit Terry…
by My_2_Cents on Apr 28, 2009 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
huh ?......now I got involved in this somehow ?
I’m not even part of this dicussions…and you reply made no sense at all…
by My_2_Cents on Apr 28, 2009 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was smashed the night before I took the LSAT
It’s all about how well you recover.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 28, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
99th percentile
Kaplan course helped…
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 28, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hated the LSATs
that was the toughest standardized I ever had to study for
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 28, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hated law school
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 28, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was you?
Hey man, good to hear from you again. I was in the next cell over.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 29, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
except for McKillop
I definitely like the Cowboys actual draft better. Tate will be suspended more times than he actually sees the field.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 27, 2009 1:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What's with the McKillop love?
this is just like the unrequited love for Justin Blalock last year. People fall in love
with a guy an wail when Dallas doesn’t show the same love.
Jason Williams plays, or is going to play, the same position McKillop does.
There’s no comparison between them as athletes.
Once Williams is on board, why are you taking a lesser version of the same guy
later?
by Rafael Vela on Apr 27, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
because I'm biased, thats why
I’ve seen him play every game for the past two years and I think he’s going to have a long productive career in the league unless injury prevents it from happening. Sure, he’s not the athlete Williams is, but he makes up for it with superior instincts for the position.
That being said, I have no problem with the J Williams pick, I hope he ends up having a great career with us.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 27, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Milk toast
McKillop had better production at a top end school.
Williams is an OLB transitioning to ILB who . As evidence in the case of how Dallas tweeners do in the NFL, I submit Miss Barbie Carpenter.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 27, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
meant to say...
“who has played against inferior competition”.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 27, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, but Williams is a superior ST teams player
and thats what Jones was trying to do with this draft is shore up the ST, I think it was smart.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 27, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apologism
If we drafted for Specials, I think it is the first time in NFL Draft history I have heard of such a stupid thing.
You draft players who can challenge for a spot and the ability to play Specials is a bonus.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 27, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Williams played OLB but not in a 34 defense
So his duties wont be that much different from a wilb in a 34 you forget different systems.
I thank God everyday i wasnt born a Eagles fan!!!!!!
by regaberto on Apr 27, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but when your special teams blow?
I think talent and potential were absolutely #1 considerations in this class aside from the kicker, but special teams play was a close second.
I’m pretty sure most teams, with 5th round picks and later, target players with potential who will also be good special teams players so they can contribute early, like we did.
by foyesboys on Apr 27, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
who is to say these guys can't challenge for starting spots down the line?
I think they have just as much of a chance to compete for starting jobs as the guys who think we should have drafted.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 27, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me
…and every other talking head from Peter King to King Peter.
Have you not been reading my posts?!?!?!
How dare you…
;-)
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 27, 2009 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"some unnerving comments from Carl Shelton about Anthony Spencer."
what were those comments?
by stephen1 on Apr 27, 2009 2:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think they were about the fact that Carl knew people who were close to Spencer
and that he likes to party too much. It centered around the arrest Spencer had back home this offseason
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
by cowboy78 on Apr 27, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh, ok thanks
i wasn’t sure if something else happened
by stephen1 on Apr 27, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
Carl has me scared with some things he said he couldn’t say about Spencer. I think so much of our defense revolves around Spencer stepping up this year. If he can’t, there is no one else on the edge that can consistently win their one-on-one battles.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 27, 2009 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I would have done something like this-
69 – Ramses Barden – WR
75 – Rashad Johnson – S
101 – Jonathan Luigs – C
110 – Vaughn Martin – DT
120 – Troy Kropog – OT
143 – Jasper Brinkley – LB
166 – Herman Johnson – OG
172 – Brice McCain – CB
197 – Chris Baker – DT
208 – Frantz Joseph – LB
227 – Mike Mickens – CB (can’t complain about the value there, excellent pick)
230 – Roger Allen – OG
The one thing about this season that really worries me is the line. All those Flozell penalties are frightening and our depth is pretty horrible.
by NerdVernacular on Apr 27, 2009 2:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Fine with me
I think that most combo’s would be better than how we finished up. Not taking a single OT is what blows my mind the most.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 27, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand the concern
I think our line is gonna be what ends up holding us back offensively. But considering the way we groom lineman, I don’t understand how a bunch of late round picks who can’t contribute elsewhere will help that.
by foyesboys on Apr 27, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
just damage control in the event of injury
and hopefully the potential to start down the road.. I think some of those guys could challenge Kosier sooner rather than later.
by NerdVernacular on Apr 27, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
to elaborate
if Procter gets serious PT this year, we are doomed
by NerdVernacular on Apr 27, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea
at least we have montrae holland now. This team needs to learn how to develop lineman, or we are going to see some amazing players at our skill positions go to waste.
The guys we’ve brought in recently are columbo and davis, both are pretty darn good, and holland looked decent last year. But if you can’t groom drafted lineman, you’re never going to have that depth that teams like philly seem to have.
by foyesboys on Apr 27, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean like last year?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 27, 2009 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh oh...
our top backup OT (Free) was a 4th rounder.
Given what you just said, why not take a highly regarded tackle like Beatty or Go Pork? What was there to lose? Brandon Williams?
Please…
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 27, 2009 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
highly regarded doesn't equal successful
I feel like the majority of very good LTs in this league come on day 1, and are not projects like beatty.
The onyl reason our top backup is a fourth rounder is because all of our picks higher than that have crapped out and couldn’t make the team. Marten was a high third rounder, and going back to the parcells days, rogers and peterman and al johnson were high picks too. All of these guys contributed nothing. This is why we have no depth.
I know the position can’t just be ignored, but I agree with the team’s feeling that there isn’t a can’t miss propsect on board, its not worth taking one. However, likewise, if they wanted Unger they shouldn’t have hesitated to trade up for him.
by foyesboys on Apr 28, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's what they did after they missed on Unger that I couldn't figure out
…and still can’t.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 28, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nor does, "drafted 2 rounds too early"
…but I’ll generally go with “highly regarded” over “who?” when it comes to assessing how we did or could have done, as the case may be.
Actually Foyes, if you re-read your post, I see you contradicting yourself.
First you say “highly regarded doesn’t equal successful” but then you say “I feel like the majority of very good LTs in this league come on day 1”, which, generally speaking, are the more highly regarded players at that position.
?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 29, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
likewise
He’ll be a solid center
by NerdVernacular on Apr 27, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
could you guys stop throwing DL-Vaughn Martin out there in the 4th round like you knew who he was prior to the draft...
I presented this kid months ago in a sleeper profile post of mine, and everyone scoffed at the idea or notion of any Western Onterio Canadian kid would even sniff the draft……..now all of a sudden “we should have drafted him in the round 4 of the draft”….c’ mon……gimme a break….even if you did know of the name (days prior to the draft)…..you no way in the world would have mocked him going in the 4th round…….hindsight works wonders for the naysayers…….
shoulda coulda woulda …………I can come up with a much better “post” draft simulation…but i’m not gonna……cuz I don’t live in the past…and I don’t bother with things I can’t change…..
grow up…….and quit your whinning………all of you…
by My_2_Cents on Apr 27, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had him in mocks
before the draft.. What’s ‘whinning’? If you’re the expert who first noticed Martin and can come up with better post draft simulations, by all means, go ahead. It’s in pure fun. Telling users to grow up when you’re acting arrogant and miffed by a little speculation is hypocrisy at its finest.
by NerdVernacular on Apr 27, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
btw....there's no arrogance here...laying down the facts...any fan from any team can come in after the draft and pick his dream draft after the fact, with players placed where they weren't projected to go in the first place......and
speculation is something you do “before” hand…..not in some hindsight shoulda coulda woulda post draft mock scenerio….
by My_2_Cents on Apr 27, 2009 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're just so much better than everyone else
It must suck to live in a world with us know-nothing’s.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 27, 2009 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it does suck to come to a friendly blog site full of Cowboys fanatics and have "ONE"..blogger spend his entire waking life inputting messages putting down the Cowboys, the draft picks, and everything else
we understand you dislike the draft results….how many times are you going to announce it ?…
do you always argue about something you can’t change ?
every day….again again, and again….that’s all you do is bitch , moan, and cry…..you hate Jerry, your not happy with the Cowboys…..why do you bother torturing yourself each day following a franchise that drives you nuts, and hasn’t won anything in 13 years ???…
this has nothing to do with me believing I’m better than anyone else here……I wasn’t so thrilled with the draft either….you see me bitching about it ?…..you on the other hand have continuously submitted at LEAST 100 + messages and counting, saying how upset you are with this outcome……and what we should have done, and what we should address, and who should have been picked instead……it’s awefully tiring……..i feel your pain…but for once can you come on this site with something positive to say……….
by My_2_Cents on Apr 27, 2009 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I find it incredibly ironic
that someone with the nickname My_2_Cents gets so disturbed by the opinions of others. Then to use the phrase, “friendly blog site” when getting all pompous on fans who are just venting a bit of frustration. Even those of us disappointed in the draft have seen silver lining in Jason Williams’ potential and Mickens’ ability. People had high expectations for this team for good reason. A lot of talent. But I think you should understand the frustration. The last football game I attended (I think you can guess where), was the worst professional football game I’ve seen in my entire life.
People will stop complaining, but you have to give it a couple days. People have been hyped about this draft for months. We had a couple holes to fill. Who knows how the 53 man roster will shake out. I think this thread was more about speculating on who we think will end up being solid football players, wherever they landed, and who we may have wished for, rather than moaning. If you have such a problem with other fans venting, why don’t you just ignore the fanpost? Criticism, while premature, is a good thing. I don’t think people here hate Jerry, but they certainly don’t think he’s infallible. You don’t need to support every decision he makes. But I’ll certainly root for every player drafted when they’re wearing the star.
by NerdVernacular on Apr 28, 2009 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
your absolutely right.........I do apologize to all I've chastised for being negative and disgusted....rant away...I don't really care..to be honest..
The fact is…I was just as, or more so pissed than most of you angry bloggers on here…….but I elected to take a different path, and embrace all these selections…cuz I’ll just stress the crap out of myself, and be miserable for an extended period of time…..and believe me, with finals this week, draft picks aren’t my biggest concern…
.i just hate when people go out of their way to impose their frustration and disgust onto others, in hopes that others will share their views, and continue the hate talk, and continue the comments of disgust, and provoke others to “fanpost” their displeasure….we all have the same general consensus opinion on this draft, and it fell short of all our expectations……..but c’ mon…….bitching about it isn’t going to get anyone anywhere….
So, in an attempt to boost moral, and pull a Jerry (with positive spin), I was looking to revert everyones attention back to the 12 new shiny toys we got to play with. I tried to avoid the fact some of those toys might not work as well as the advertised ones we saw in the sunday fliers (draft sites, guides, etc) And although most of these toys might have been made in china, let’s not judge these toys until we put the batteries in them at least….
Just cuz Jerry decided to shop at walmart instead of fao schwartz, doesn’t mean these toys won’t make you happy at the end of the day…..
but I got my boy Jason Williams…so i’m good……
by My_2_Cents on Apr 29, 2009 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your "2 Cents"
…seem to be worth more than others’ 2 cents.
You’ll excuse me if I make you talk to the hand, but in this country, free speech is a right that cannot be abrogated by small minded people who want others to talk the way THEY want them to talk.
And one more tidbit for you; a blog site might not be the healthiest choice for someone of your narrow-mindedness on this particular topic. You’ll end up stroking out, dude.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 29, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But on this blog
free speech is a right that can be abrogated. 5Blings, you’ve been pretty hostile about this draft, people are going to get annoyed after a while. If you lightened up just a tad, people would be more inclined to discuss it rationally. Everybody has the right to express their displeasure about the draft, it just doesn’t have to be everywhere on the blog constantly, and a little lighter touch would do wonders.
by Dave Halprin on Apr 29, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grizz
While I hear what you’re saying, I think I’ve been relatively fair to Jerry and Cisky. Certainly, no worse than some of the pundits (okay, the notion of drafting McNaab’s mom was a bit over the top).
But, I gave them a D grade and 8 others had them doing worse.
In fact, some other guy has a well-replied-to post that simply says this is the worst draft ever for Dallas.
You and I both know that the following draft would be difficult, if not impossible, to be eclipsed;
2 Sherman Williams Alabama
2 Kendell Watkins Mississippi State
2 Shane Hannah Michigan State
3 Darren Benson Arkansas State
3 Charlie Williams Bowling Green
4 Eric Bjornson Washington
4 Alundis Brice Mississippi
4 Linc Harden Oklahoma State
5 Edward Hervey USC
5 Dana Howard Illinois
7 Oscar Sturgis North Carolina
That said, I’ll drink more and increase my pain tolerance until training camp.
Fair?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 29, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All I'm asking is for people to chill out a bit
by Dave Halprin on Apr 29, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So fess up...
What grade did YOU give Dallas (and why)?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 29, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you always have to get the last word in?
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 29, 2009 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
just a naturally born irritant, who obviously didn't understand the gist of Grizz's message.......
again…worried about grades….tah
by My_2_Cents on Apr 29, 2009 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't have a problem with anyone
criticizing the draft, but give me your own reasons, don’t go by other opinions.
The fact is nobody knows how any of these players will work out and any criticism has to be based on not picking players that the majority of the draftniks had rated higher.
Myself, I have faith in Ciskowski, and I’m not going to pass judgment on any draft until I have a chance to see the players actually play in the league..the way it should be.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 30, 2009 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reasons
1. No OT
2. Hamlin is not a coverage safety
3. No NT
4. Failure to trade up and get targeted choices (I know…you need a trading partner, but who can say if they had one or not?)
5. Ciskowski doesn’t have a lengthy track record, so I don’t share your optimism. Not saying you shouldn’t have it, just disagree.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 30, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1. Brewster can play tackle, he did for 4 yrs in college
2. you don’t know if Hamlin isn’t a coverage safety, you know he does hold Clemson’s record for most INTs in a career.
3. you can’t hit every need in a draft
4. If they had a trading partner, I think we draft Unger.
5. Ciskowski has been compiling our draft board for the past several years, everytime the Cowboys follow it, we have great drafts.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on May 1, 2009 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I won't argue 1-4, since I think we've agreed to disagree
but on #5, do you think they stuck to his board?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on May 1, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 30, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lmao!
God 1st, Family Always & Dallas Cowboys 4 Life!!!!!
by CodeNamedG on May 1, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm guessing you don't agree with me
That’s fine. Make a counterpoint, or better yet, avoid getting into the fray. Either way, just because you don’t like someone’s stance doesn’t mean you can invalidate it. It just makes you look like an arrogant, angry little boy.
Plus, your “I knew about Vaughn Martin before anyone else” stance is comical in how weird it must be to live in your world, so disdainful of others.
For someone with the name, “My 2 Cents”, you certainly seem to think your own opions are beyond reproach, while others should be stifled.
How do you reconcile that so that you don’t look as you do now, horribly weak minded and prejudiced toward only yourself?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 28, 2009 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Something Positive
I’m positive this was a crappy draft for Dallas.
Happy now?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 28, 2009 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just my opinion
I like both of your posts and I don’t think either one of you are entirely wrong.
Blings, I don’t think you’re wrong for your thoughts on this draft. I’m not entirely sold on it, but I do understand some of the moves. Today and yesterday hasn’t been too bad, you don’t like the draft.. understandable. Sunday it was kind of ridiculous, because there weren’t constructive comments, they were just sarcastic ones like “lets draft someones mom”. But I totally understand why you don’t like the draft.
2Cents, I understand how you feel to, it does get a little irritating continuously reading negative comments that at times seem repetitive, but I don’t think that he’s unjustified with most of his comments… probably just could come off as more constructive at times and less whiney.
I don’t think either one of you are uneducated about football, a matter of fact I think you both know your stuff.
I’ve been guilty of acting an ass towards someone, but I’ve tried to tone it down, even when people make comments that make no sense, because I can take constructive criticism(even if I don’t think some of it was warranted.)
You are both exactly the same, because you tend to talk to people like they just started watching the game. Even if you aren’t intentionally trying to do so. You also both sometimes state things as if they were for sure facts. That’s your “blog faults”, mine is that I will argue forever.
In the long run though, you’re both Dallas fans and you want the same objective. You know?
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 28, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Agree with everything you said, except I’m right and he’s wrong.
:-)
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 28, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm never wrong....just misunderstood...
:-)~
by My_2_Cents on Apr 29, 2009 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And come on...
The drafting of McNaab’s mom was a great psychological move. Imagine how he’d play seeing her in a Cowboys jersey playing weak inside linebacker.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 28, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my problem
with the draft isn’t who they finally ended up with from the 69th pick onward—I think when it gets that deep in the draft you have to give the benefit of the doubt to the scouting department. But I can’t understand not using some of those picks to move up in the second round. For example, If they thought that Max Unger could come in and compete for a starting job, then they should have gone after him. The seahawks moved up to take him at 49! I am left to wonder how much they did their homework if they thought that at least one of the guys they were targeting was going to fall to 51 (especially since none of them did). It just looked like they got caught with their pants down in that round.
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by dave33 on Apr 27, 2009 4:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree on the o-line comments
My heartburn is not picking Beatty after he slid to us. LT is soon to be a glaring hole, and we had the last legit LT prospect slide to us at 51. Now we can watch up close how he does w/ the Giants. I agree w/ the comments above that if Unger was the guy, why not jump up 5-10 picks in the 2nd to ensure getting him.
I’ll also be watching how Macho Harris does w/ the Iggles. I would’ve preferred him in the 5th over Smith, but I’m biased being a Hokie grad.
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by cowboysuberfan on Apr 27, 2009 4:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It takes a sPeCiAl team to draft for just Special Teams, lol...
I don’t agree with this draft entirely. I think they there are some picks (the Williams’) that are more than just a specail team need which is good but to ignore some depth issues the way we did just totally disappoints me. Who is confident on a DT that has not played in the last 3 seasons as our primary back up? Not to mention the fact that he is turning 31 this season… HIS CAREER IS DONE (pretty much)!!!!! Behind him we have Tim Anderson (who is the size of a 3-4 DE) who also has been out for a season. We don’t have any interest in a defensive tackle what so ever it obviously seems while tracking our attention throughout the draft and even now with freeagency. We should switch to a 4-3 defense with the lineman we have…
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by CodeNamedG on Apr 27, 2009 6:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Love the headline!!!
Got a belly laugh outta me.
:-)
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 27, 2009 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
INSERTED A POLL
Take your best shot!!!
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 27, 2009 9:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
20 Votes in, we are averaging a D+
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 28, 2009 9:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't see how our picks can be worse than a D untill they actually play
quite a few draft gurus have said that the players we picked have good value. Considering we have a serious need at linebacker, oline and secondary, i think a lot of those were addressed – you can’t devalue them just because we didn’t have a 1st and 3rd round pick to play with. These are all hard playing players with definite potential, and at the VERY least they should at least be able to significantly improve our special teams. And keep in mind we do have roy williams, which means unlike a few drafts this team has had, we will get something legitimate out of it.
by foyesboys on Apr 28, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
every teams draft should get an "I" for incomplete
until 2012 after we actually see these guys play for a while.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 28, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't work that way
If it did, no one would watch the draft and there wouldn’t be a $1 billion dollar business that surrounds JUST the NFL draft.
Besides, were you saying that last year when Dallas got A and A- grades? I doubt it…
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 28, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats simply not true at all
Fans don’t watch the draft to await grades from media pundits the next day, fans watch because its like Christmas Day for us fans.
I don’t pay attention at all to draft grades because they are absolutely meaningless and this is coming from a guy who has watched every pick for the last 25 years.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 28, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Terry...
As you’ve said before, you’re not the everyday fan. You’re one of those elite fans that has a much more cerebral approach to things.
I’m sure you tolerate the masses who wait to hear if their teams draft the franchise QB or the highly touted WR.
Unfortunately, MOST fans do indeed watch the draft because they are hopeful their FAVORITE players will get picked by their team. To make matters worse, MOST fans do take pride in getting high grades from the talking heads.
In fact, Jerry makes a living off of the everyday fan.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 28, 2009 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
grading a draft immediately afterwards
is no different than predicting who is going to make the playoffs and win the SB. At the beginning of the season, nobody really has a clue as nobody can predict injuries or how teams will really come together and gel.
To me, its all meaningless and just something for sportswriters to write about in the offseason. Its certainly nothing to get upset about as a fan.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 29, 2009 7:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And yet there is a multi-million dollar business
…that does just that.
Fight city hall all you want, I’ll choose reality TYVM.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 29, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there are multi-million businesses that do all sorts of silly things
that doesn’t mean reasonable people have to buy in to them and most don’t.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 29, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
They are multi-million dollar businesses because people DO buy into them.
See the connection? If not, I can do a whole Adam Smith on you…
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 29, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I said reasonable people
Of course there are people that buy into all sorts of silly things that support multi-million dollar businesses. It reminds me of a quote by the late George Carlin, the greatest comedic mind of all time, that is very appropriate.
He said, just think to yourself how stupid the average person is and then realize half the people are more stupid than that.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 29, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree on the reasonable end.
See the tabloids.
by Mandmeisterx on Apr 29, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
May he rest in peace
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 29, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I’d guess the majority of fans care about these grades. Most of them will read the brief synopsis of all picks after the 2nd round, read the grades and thats it.
Personally, I don’t care about grades, I think they’re ridiculously overrated. Their only importance is in how they compare to the real grades 3 years down the line, and maybe that can give you some real insight on certain players success and failure. Even that is kinda dumb logic.
Pretty much, grades just serve as another BS way for the media to choose a winner and loser in an offseason and get some attention.
by foyesboys on Apr 28, 2009 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was under the impression we were voting on "your" revised line-up...
which I gave the same C to regardless…nothings changed
by My_2_Cents on Apr 29, 2009 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, grade the real draft...
Sorry for the confusion.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 29, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As far as the grade goes, dont read much into it.
Without a 1st or 2nd round pick you start at a C. You have no where to go but down.
I also dont understand all of this we should have gotten a LT. I just dont think the odds of getting one late are worth it. We will be picking for a LT in round 1 or 2 next year if Martin or Free dont cut it. Somebody this year that late wouldnt be ready next year so whats the point. You cant F around with your QBs backside.
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by squidlo97 on Apr 28, 2009 6:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agree with you on the C as a starting point...
Trading out of round 2 didn’t endear Dallas to the pundits.
If we have to find out how good Free or McQ is (Marten is gone), we’ll not only be drafting an OT early, but it might just be a top 10 pick.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 28, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
its not like we'd be in a significantly better position
had we drafted an OT. Lineman generally take time to develop.
by foyesboys on Apr 28, 2009 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that is overly general and also philosophically incorrect
To think that we would not be in a better (“significantly” is a relative term and cannot be argued without proper context) position from purely a perspective of depth is erroneous. Our depth at OT is suspect at best.
In addition, to say that OT’s take time to develop, and use that as the rationale for not addressing the need is like saying, “the thing I did wrong is in the past”. By definition, having DONE something right or wrong means that it occured in the past. If you need a beer, things have to happen prior to that outcome. By all means, the beer does not come without the distillation of the grains. Even with the distillation, the beer’s impact has a continuum which it must pass through before it ends up in your hands, ready to drink.
Instead, your rationale reaffirms my point; if OT’s take time to develop and we have poor depth at the position, then a case can easily be made for the urgency to take action NOW (knowing that the action may not achieve the desired reaction until some period of time has passed) to address it.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 29, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the problem is however
that quality LTs don’t grow on trees, they are almost as rare as franchise qbs. Like Parcells used to say, you can’t just dial 1-800- left tackles and get one.
The fact is the vast majority of teams don’t have great depth at LT, most teams are lucky to employ a good one to start, let alone two.
Lets just see how Free does this year before we start reaching for LTs in the draft.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 29, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Theres a few things to be optimstic about
http://nonechance.blogspot.com/ towards the end of the latest post
by David M on Apr 29, 2009 12:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's cool about Sensabaugh
46 inches is flying!
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- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 29, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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