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Cowboys Draft Redux

Roy Williams is the one of the keys to this draft, even though he played a partial season with the Cowboys last year. If RW can get in-sync with QB Tony Romo and produce a season worthy of a #1 WR, the 2009 draft must be viewed in a new light.

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Roy Williams is the one of the keys to this draft, even though he played a partial season with the Cowboys last year. If RW can get in-sync with QB Tony Romo and produce a season worthy of a #1 WR, the 2009 draft must be viewed in a new light.

Another draft is in the books and I saw these related comments from some experts on how they feel the Cowboys did.

Mike Mayock is one of the few draftniks that I respect. He gives a dispassionate opinion on players and their abilities and he doesn't have that annoying delivery that Mel Kiper displays.

Mayock recently said the Cowboys trade for Roy Williams was probably a good deal for the Cowboys since they wouldn't find that same quality at the 20th pick in the draft. Here is the entire article.

Another guy I respect is Mike Lombardi who is at National Football Post.

"DALLAS: Looks like a special teams and depth draft to me. If I were a pro guy in the NFL, I might want to watch the ‘Boys this summer and make sure I know all these picks before they play in the preseason. They can't keep all of them."

Now that the draft is over has anyone graded the mockers? There is a site called The Big Lead that posted and compared and graded a number of mockers to see how they fared. The best of them was only right about 1 out of 3 times. The best was Mike Mayock.

John Czarnecki is the first draft grader that I've seen who gave the Cowboys a C and acknowledged that Roy Williams was the Cowboys 1st round draft pick. He's the Czar from Fox Sports. You can see his draft grades here.

I know that we won't be able to really understand how effective this draft was until we have a few seasons to analyze the players at the NFL level. Judging from the comments I've read this was an emotional draft for many, it was for me as well. Now that some of the smoke has cleared I am beginning to view the Cowboys draft in a more favorable light. What about you?

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Colin Cowherd

Guaranteed that Roy has twice as many catches as any rookie receiver.

by Baked Potato Soup on Apr 28, 2009 3:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I hope the Turd is right for once

Ever since he came on ESPN radio, I’ve exclusively listened to The Ticket.

by GhostofGaryHogeboom on Apr 28, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

nevermind

found it.

I hate him sometimes, but i like the point he made. The Giants lose Burress, and replace him with Hicks, and they’re supposed to be better. Yet the Boys get rid of Owens, and replace him with RW, and they’re worse?

This suit is NOT black!!

by what_the_crap on Apr 28, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We will be fine.

We should have plenty of motiviation going in to this season.

"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z

by Wmillion on Apr 28, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh

i know they’ll be fine. Big D!!

This suit is NOT black!!

by what_the_crap on Apr 28, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes

Roy Williams is not anywhere near the playmaker that T.O. is. We can’t compare Roy to Terrell Owens, who is 3rd on the all-time touchdown list.

I think T.O. is as big a jerk as anybody, but they can’t be compared on the field.

by DoomsdayD75 on Apr 29, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

but

Hicks is just as big a playmaker as Burress? That’s my point.

This suit is NOT black!!

by what_the_crap on Apr 29, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

at this point in their respective careers

I disagree with that as T.O. is certainly not the player he once was and RW should be entering the prime of his career.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 29, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

He has never had a QB like Romo. I can’t wait to what they can do now that they will be on the same page.

"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z

by Wmillion on Apr 29, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mike Lombardi said...

The Pats had a great draft getting backups and Special teamers, the boys do the samething and had a horrible draft.

by dallasfansince75 on Apr 30, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mayock is as close as you're going to get

to a real scout on TV or in the print analyzing and evaluating these players.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 28, 2009 3:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I feel the same way

at first I was disappointed, but after a few days disseminating the picks I’m on board with this draft.

by DCowboy on Apr 28, 2009 3:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

very cool

It doesn’t surprise he still works out as he looks pretty good for being 50. That would be great if you did ask him what he specially thought of our draft.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 28, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I will let u guys know what he tells me

He is in very good shape…he works his azz off when he is working out…..

by scandrick32 on Apr 28, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

as a former pro athlete

that doesn’t surprise me.

 Thanks for asking him his opinions on our players. You can tell him I really enjoy his reports on the NFL Network, he does a tremendous job.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 28, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was so disappointed that we traded out of round 2...

then completely aggrevated when we failed to draft guys that I liked that were still on the board in rounds 3-7.

One thing that seemed to help me the most, was watching the post-draft press conference, which lasted about 40 minutes. Hearing what Jerry, Steven, and Wade had to say about the guys they drafted, gave me a different, and better, perspective.

I now feel that I have a measure of optimism.

by BishopWest on Apr 28, 2009 3:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It was disappointing

I mean you wait over 5 hours and realize your team isn’t picking, however, I’d rather they did that than select Loadholt, which is who they were going to take at #51 if TB didn’t want to trade.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 28, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not always...

but a lot of the time, your perspective on a draft has much to do with your player expectations going in. Following guys for months and really liking their skills, or liking what other people are saying about them, binds you to that player on an emotional level. He’s your guy and you really want the Cowboys to grab him. It’s a feeling of vindication in some ways if they do. I know last year I had us taking Felix and Jenkins in a couple of mocks (only in reverse order), and when it happened I thought “Man, this is turning out to be a perfect draft!” It’s only natural. What I have to do when they don’t take the guys who I know and want, like in this draft, is to look and see what the team’s plans for the players are. Besides NT, I think they hit most of my real weak spots. Safety help, linebacker help (both inside and outside), another corner. I would have liked to see another lineman taken late, or a different WR, but overall they hit the spots (besides NT). Since I don’t know a lot of these players very well, I have to trust that Jerry and Co. (re: Tommy C.) made the right choices. I do like the fact that most of them seem to be hard-working motor guys with good character.

by Dave Halprin on Apr 28, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well said Grizz

I was highly disappointed when the lions selected Delmas with the first pick in the 2nd rd, but as a fan, you have to regroup and hope the Cowboys make the right choices anyway.

I had the same feeling that you’re describing Grizz in 2005 when I wanted Ware and Spears in the first rd and it happened, sometimes the draft falls your way, sometimes it doesn’t.

And you can’t really hit every need in every draft as well. We didn’t address NT but I thought with the amount of picks we had, Jerry and company did a good job of hitting on most areas of need.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 28, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I knew after the 4th round that my wish for Nick Reed would not be granted.

I know Wade loves pass rushers, but grabbing him in the 7th would have buried the guy on the depth chart. He may fit better as a 4-3 end in Seattle, much like Delmas should be able to easily grab a starting spot in Detroit.

Trust them...they know what they're doing.

by Aaron Novinger on Apr 29, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, it is just a lot less exciting to get a bunch of guys you’ve barely heard of on day 2 than to get a couple big picks like last year, but we just have to adjust our expectations. given 1) how well they did last year with the second-day guys (Choice and Scandrick), and 2) how little we know about most of them, I tend to just give them (esp. Tommy C) the benefit of the doubt as to their overall strategy (depth/ST) and their individual picks. Now I’m just eager to get to know these guys and watch them over OTAs and TC to see how they develop.

by scottmaui on Apr 28, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

we had our big splurges last year! This year, they have enough bodies to completely turn over the bottom of the roster and push some underachievers to either live up to their potential or get off the team.

Trust them...they know what they're doing.

by Aaron Novinger on Apr 29, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

I am amazed at how many guys there are on tv and in cyberspace who are so certain that they are way smarter at picking players than the veteran professional coaches and scouts.

You are right, Grizz. These experts rank the prospects, then applaud the teams who follow their advice and ridicule those that don’t.

I think we have a scrappy bunch of no-names ready to deal some damage to the doubters.

Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.

by OskieOskie on Apr 28, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And don't forget

Justin Tuck said none of these guys can help the team.

Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.

by OskieOskie on Apr 28, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe Canty will step on his foot.

Trust them...they know what they're doing.

by Aaron Novinger on Apr 29, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Roy Williams contract

Friends – Can someone confirm what is the exact contract we have with Roy Williams part 2? I know it averages to $9 million or so, but is that with a 5th or 6th year with a $20m salary? In other words, if Roy performs more like an average receiver, when would be cut him and how much would the real average cost have been at that time?

by Eagles suck on Apr 28, 2009 3:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Robert Brewster

This Brewster kid looks awesome in his highlight film (I know), but still. He looks very athletic and nothing like I was expecting for his size. The knock seems to be his strength, but that is fixable, looks very quick.

by rha on Apr 28, 2009 4:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking his biggest problem is that he is "bow-legged"

Which makes it harder for him to play OT in the pros and therefore will most likely play OG

by BishopWest on Apr 28, 2009 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I feel better now then I did on draft day....

I mean i have seen some mock draft boards that had Mickens as a2 4th rd’er and 1 that had Hamlin the 2nd best safety and on a lot of boards I find both the UDFA we signed highly rated, our first round pick has a great up side , but will be even better after ayear in the wt. room-as will most of them, However its hype time now, so all the potential good is being pushed to the forefront. Will the team we put on the field accually be better this year? not a lot will change except we will have a couple new faces will these faces be better than what was there? Hard to say- but I can sure see how NY and Philly have upgraded what they put on the field last year.

by bad knees on Apr 28, 2009 4:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

if the boys don't trade for roy williams...

then after austin goes down, t.o. is the only receiver that can get open, so he ends up getting plenty of looks, and is a somewhat happy camper. our record winds up the same is my best guess or maybe get a wildcard (loss). so instead of getting rid of him during the offseason, either a trade is made for one of the other malcontent wr’s or we find a way to draft crabtree/maclin.

and t.o. has his meltdown this coming season, wasting yet another year.

by billstickers on Apr 28, 2009 4:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

TO got plenty of looks

looks is not an issue with him – winning is. He’d still be unhappy.

by foyesboys on Apr 28, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

even after the first washington game

when we forced the ball to him a ton in that game, he was still complaining about getting more touches.

by foyesboys on Apr 28, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1 again

Trust them...they know what they're doing.

by Aaron Novinger on Apr 29, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Trust them...they know what they're doing.

by Aaron Novinger on Apr 29, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pro Football Weekly

Only gave out three grades: Outstanding, good and questionable. Here’s what they had to say about our draft:

Dallas Cowboys — The Cowboys were without a first-round pick after dealing it, as well as third- and sixth-rounders, to Detroit to acquire WR Roy Williams, but owner Jerry Jones shrewdly moved down several times to pick up more late-round picks. Most of his selections were solid — even if he was forced to draft nickel LB Jason Williams earlier than he would in a normal draft — and have developmental potential. OG Robert Brewster, QB Stephen McGee and CB DeAngelo Smith could all become solid pros in time, and LB Stephen Hodge and PK David Buehler could both make an impact in special-teams coverage. Adding an elite receiving talent to a talented roster and filling many specialty roles gives this draft promise.
Grade: Good

Note they recognized Dallas was drafting for real value, not high-visibility names, and that Roy Williams was part of the overall deal.

I’ve got my concerns about next year, but our drafting process is not one of them. I really like what Tom Ciskowski is doing, and that Jerry is following his advice.

by kindablue on Apr 28, 2009 5:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That's good.

I actually enjoy pro football weekly.

The grade doesn’t matter, but the fact that someone is educated enough to know WHY they made the picks at least entitles them to a solid opinion, even if it had been negative.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by AirforceBat on Apr 28, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Profootballweekly

also wrote an article saying how we were as bad as the Raiders and Bengals. They said we would never win another championship with Jerry Jones as our GM.

They wrote that in the middle of last season, I doubt this draft changed their minds.

by DoomsdayD75 on Apr 29, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice.

It takes some vision for PFW to see through this draft.

Trust them...they know what they're doing.

by Aaron Novinger on Apr 29, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

still disappointed

at most, half of these guys will make the final roster. and of the ones who do, it’s pretty unlikely that they will contribute much this year other than maybe on special teams. they needed at least one player out of this draft that could step up now and play. and with 11 picks there’s no excuse for not getting that done. while i do think they got a few great 2nd day picks, i’m not going to be fooled into believing that this makes up for the botched round 2. jerry can try to shine that turd all he wants, but the fact is that they dropped the ball there in round 2 and got cheap when they should have been aggressive. they had the picks to get an impact player and still be able to snag most of those 2nd day guys.

by Barbie Carpenter on Apr 28, 2009 6:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

question

at 51 what player do you think would have come in and started?

"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z

by Wmillion on Apr 28, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

prolly..

duke robinson or there other offensive tackle or maybe a good cb or even Jarron Gilbert who i think should have goon late first early second

by KidCowboy on Apr 28, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Duke Robinson

Had motivation concerns and fell to the bottom of the fifth round, and you think we should have spent a second rounder on him? That would have been a waste.

by kindablue on Apr 28, 2009 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Duke

I think Holland or the kid we got has a better chance starting there.
You say a good CB, but who, and who would start over Scandrick or Jenkins?
Gilbert is one I could see logging quality minutes, but I think J. Williams long term could be a star with great speed. Can’t remember last time we had a ILB who with size and speed.

"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z

by Wmillion on Apr 28, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

huh ?

Duke…5th round…what second round OT plays over Flo and Columbo ????

no CB in this draft picked after 50 could have been drafted and start over Newman, Jenkins, or Scandrick…

Gilbert would have been oiur 5th DE behind Igor, Spears, Bowen, and Hatcher…..

c’ mon…..be realistic…….There was not one player we could have drafted at 51 that would have started here..period……nobody.

by My_2_Cents on Apr 28, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

nope

the kicker they drafted will “start” when kicking off.

by Joey2zs on Apr 28, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol...ok..you got me....btw

he hasn’t made the team yet…

by My_2_Cents on Apr 28, 2009 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you take Max Unger

in the 2nd not to start but for depth which they desperately need.

by Barbie Carpenter on Apr 29, 2009 6:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I need to send you the link to watch Duke Robinson and Herman johnson and then send you the link to watch Brewster. It’s no comparison. Herman Johnson has the worst feet and movement. His Highlite film , well half of it was him getting blown up, blown around and knocked down. His combine footage is so horrible to watch. Yes if he gets his big body on you , you have to dissappear however with strong and quick def. lineman, they will destroy him. Why don’t we rip the cardinals for taking him in the 5th. Duke is not much better. But if you watch Brewster you can see the feet, the movemnt and the agility. In a passing offense last year he gave up only 2.5 sacks. I admit never hearing about him but the footage doesn’t lie.

by cowboyjohn on Apr 28, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No one said anything about starting, but...

Even first rounders often don’t start as rookies for championship caliber teams. There were still some damn good DBs available at 51—all of whom could have logged significant playing time. I was really high on Sean Smith, CB/FS, Utah. But even if it weren’t Smith, others still on the board at #51 that I would have drafted rather than trading down, and who will likely become starters within 2-3 years, include, in no particular order: Jarron Gilbert, DT, SJSU; Andy Levitre, G, OSU, who was selected with that pick by Buffalo; Will Beatty, OT, UConn; William Moore, S, Mizzou; and Sherrod Martin, S, Troy.

Unlike a Cowboys' season, in life, there may not be a next year.

by Reno Cowboy on Apr 28, 2009 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He said

step up now and play..

In 2-3 years I think both of our 3rd picks could be starting.

"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z

by Wmillion on Apr 28, 2009 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

my point is

that they should have moved up ahead of 51. i won’t argue that they didn’t see any value at 51, but jerry himself said they had a list of players in the 2nd round they felt could contribute immediately. so then with a ton of mid-round picks and coming off that loss to philly, how do you not package a couple and trade up a few spots to get one of those guys?

by Barbie Carpenter on Apr 29, 2009 6:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

if all these players from last year are back, we have 44 roster spots for 53 players

Flozell Adams
Deon Anderson
Miles Austin
Marion Barber
Martellus Bennett
Tashard Choice
Marc Colombo
Patrick Crayton
Leonard Davis
Doug Free
Andre Gurode
Montrae Holland
Felix Jones
Jon Kitna
Kyle Kosier
Pat McQuistan
Cory Procter
Tony Romo
Isaiah Stanback
Roy Williams
Jason Witten
Alan Ball
Stephen Bowen
Keith Brooking
Bobby Carpenter
Marcus Dixon
Greg Ellis
Ken Hamlin
Jason Hatcher
Bradie James
Mike Jenkins
Terence Newman
Igor Olshansky
Jay Ratliff
Orlando Scandrick
Gerald Sensabaugh
Junior Siavii
Marcus Spears
Anthony Spencer
DeMarcus Ware
Pat Watkins
Nick Folk
L.P. Ladouceur
Mat McBriar

by AustonianAggie on Apr 28, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's right... we need bodies

Its not that we need all 12 picks, necessarily, but our ‘09 Cowboys will have 9+ players on the squad that was not part of the Cowboys the day prior to the draft. And that’s assuming none of the bottom roster gets churned (yeah, that means you Cory Procter). We have the room and need for the bodies we drafted.

by Eagles suck on Apr 28, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Room for lots and lots of Rookies

I did not check your list to make sure no one is left off, but odds are 3-5 of those players do not make the squad. If 3 of the following dozen players then the roster has room for 12 new players. I expect at least 8 rookies to make this team and would not be surprised if they have 10+ rookies on their opening day roster.

Alan Ball
Bobby Carpenter
Cory Procter
Deon Anderson
Doug Free
Greg Ellis
Isaiah Stanback
Junior Siavii
L.P. Ladouceur
Marcus Dixon
Pat McQuistan
Pat Watkins

by Trey, on Apr 28, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

with most players on that list are not a lock to make the team. The only players that might stick around are Ladoceur ( a lock IMO outstanding DS ) Ellis ( experience ) and Carp ( experience )

by DCowboy on Apr 28, 2009 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And what does that say about our roster?

Most NFL teams do not have 10 or 12 new bodies in any given season at the bottom of the roster. We will. And let’s be clear, Siavii and Marcus Dixon are also new bodies at the bubble. That might take it up to 12 to 14 new faces at the bottom. (I’m ignoring big free agent signings — which to me includes anyone that’s a definite to make the team — players such as Olshansky, Kitna, Brooking)

What does that say about our beloved Cowboys? To me, it means we’ve not drafted well over a player’s lifetime (say 5-7 years) and/or have mismanaged our B-level players to the point that our 2nd stringers and special teamers became sub-par NFLers.

Does that seem to describe the Cowboys of ‘08 properly? I say 100% yes. We’ve way too many unproven bodies that the coaches appear scared to put into action. That’s the truth.

And as a result, we needed some serious house cleaning at the bottom of the roster. Jerry’s 12-pick draft wasn’t a clever strategy… it was a necessary strategy.

Now, let’s hope they hit on at least 3 out of every 5 selections and free agents so we can actually field the 12 bodies we need.

by Eagles suck on Apr 28, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Pat Watkins and Greg Ellis are two people that could be gone..........

Pat Watkins & Courtney Brown are going to have to beat out guys like Deangelo Smith and Mike Hamlin. Same for Alan Ball. Deangelo Smith is pretty much a shoe in when you can play safety, corner and return punts.

And I love Greg Ellis. He’s been a good Cowboy since 1998. But from what i understand they can shave 4 million off the cap by letting him go. i personally don’t want that to happen but it wouldnt surprise me.

by TARHEEL PAUL on Apr 28, 2009 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How about...

…our new 2nd kicker boy wonder? Seems he’s kicking-off and covering kicks and why not learn to deep snap too while he’s at it? j/k LP is as safe as safe can be on the roster. He’s on our team for the next 5+ years.

by Eagles suck on Apr 29, 2009 3:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I though that I read

That he has worked as a deep snapper.

"So you can’t stiff arm at all? What about the throat?"- Marion "Barbarian" Barber

by DC_fan on Apr 29, 2009 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I see these guys getting their walking papers...

Carpenter = Matt Stewart, Keith Brooking, Jason Williams, Stephen Hodge…no room for Barbie and his 3 million salary
Procter = hopefully one of the camp free agents plays Center…
Ellis = 4-6 million salary for situational pass rusher on a decline < Butler/Williams combined; less than 50% of Ellis’ salary
Watkins = salary cap prohibitive, limited skills, health issues…< DeAngelo Smith, Mike Mickens, Mike Hamlin
Dixon = practice squad unless he beats out Bowen or Hatcher
McQuistan = has not progressed < replaced by Robert Brewster
Hurd = 1.56 million salary is cap prohibitive for the anticipated amount of production..

by My_2_Cents on Apr 28, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

our picks

i have no why we took that Brewster kid so high and not Duke Robinson or Big “herm” Johnson but the two Cincinnati cb’s are good

by KidCowboy on Apr 28, 2009 6:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Tommy C decided before the draft to select players with certain qualities

1) tough, hard workers
2) football smarts

Duke Robinson failed as a tough, hard worker.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1263331

Work Habits: Robinson needs to have his offseason program monitored, as he does not show great work ethic. He will never be known as a great practice player and needs a “kick in the pants” every now and then (inability to follow team rules led to him being benched for the 2008 Chattanooga game and suspended for part of the Texas Christian contest).

However, the report on Brewster is different

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/556758

Work Habits: Has above-average strength and does the extras in the training room to improve his athletic skills. He is a self-starter and well-respected by teammates. He takes well to hard coaching, but the staff says he is not the type that will ever need guidance or need to be pushed. He is a steady performer and alert technician whose field savvy compensates for most of his athletic shortcomings.

by BishopWest on Apr 28, 2009 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow...talk about night and day....now I know why they took Brewster....good to see that...

i’ll take a good player with desire to excel over a talented player with no fire in his azz.,,,,,that’s how I looked at our team the whole year….they had no desire, no motivation, not playing angry, no in your face, no hard hitting, no fighting for that extra yard…etc….

I want team bad azz….I want pile driving sacks, bone jarring hits, and some rough housing after the whistle….I know it’ll be hard…but I want guys like Romo and Ware grabbing facemasks and getting in players faces if they’re slacking off, and blowing assignments….I want Wade to put the blame on the players…call them out, instead of accepting responsibility for the lousy play of an individual…I want Wade to fine them for anything he deems neccessary….only way to hurt a player is to take his money………Jerry gave Wade some ability to bring in “Wade” players…..I like that….no more of this “Parcells’ picks” crapola…..Parcells is gone…His draft sucked worse than ours….and he hasn’t won a thing in nearly 20 years…..the days of Parcells are dead here…as far as I’m concerned….

The team I saw last year came in on sunday, went through the motions, showed some glimpses of talent, but realized they weren’t as good as they thought they were, and then went home, and played some golf, and went off to far away tropical islands……no biggie…..they got paid…what do they care ?

enough of that crap…….I want 12 hungry rookies making this team…….I want the other 41 veterans to know they might be next on the chopping block after the season…….and play like its their job on the line in ’09..

by My_2_Cents on Apr 28, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Angst

2 days removed from the draft, I have calmed down and am resigned to accept what we got and hope for the best. However, my angst over this draft is not over who I wanted vs.who was selected….I will not criticize the players we got, I don’t know enough about them, but just because I’m not a pro scout doesn’t mean I can’t have an opinion on how the draft was managed. I saw several major problems:

1. In a weak draft, I beleive you use your ammunition to go up and get one or two players you think will help you, not accumulate more picks at the bottom of a weak class. We should have gone and gotten Unger, Robiske, Delmas or even Masaquoi

2. WR. If Roy W. goes down (which he has a history of doing) or simply doesn’t perform, this WR core is betting on a bunch of long shots and unprovens.

3. Why draft a QB in the 4th, when you hope he won’t play at all in the next 5 yrs? Especially with guys like Daniels, Harell, Reilly and others that are going to be available late or as UFA’s.

4. I have had my arguments with several on this sight regarding the Kicker pick already. I understand what they are doing, but I still think it is a product of past errors (despite the fact I DO LIKE FOLK). On a team with weakness at WR, Safety and Corner, AND a 3-4 team, who needs to load up on LB’s, I think it will be Costly having to carry 2 kickers on the roster.

5. 12 men surely cannot make this team. So why did we not trade some of our picks for picks next year. If you tell me, who was willig to trade with us, I say look at all the teams that were able to find partners willing to give picks next year.

Again, I’m willing to route for every guy we got and hope for the best, but I do stand by my opinions.

by Gmunny on Apr 28, 2009 6:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

hmm

1- Your logic makes sense, if Dallas feels there is somone worth moving up to get. The one player I really wanted was Delmas. I am not sure what it would have cost to go up there and get him.
2-Usually if your #1 Wr goes down your in trouble, that is the NFL
3-4th round is not high
4.It is the 5th round the bust numbers are higher then boom. Why not go for a guy who can help our ST and D right away?
5.I like our late round picks, why wait another year?

"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z

by Wmillion on Apr 28, 2009 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think it is a given that 44 return in October.

More on the order of 30-35 are near locks and the rest better win their jobs because viable replacements are possible.

by lee3022 on Apr 28, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Couldn't have said it better myself!

Unlike a Cowboys' season, in life, there may not be a next year.

by Reno Cowboy on Apr 28, 2009 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trade marion

Does anyone think we could trade marion for anquain boldin straight up or maybe choice and a second next year for him it could e possible

by KidCowboy on Apr 28, 2009 6:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No

Boldin is the best receiver in the league, and you’d have to give two first rounders to get him.

Barber is probably worth a second rounder, Choice maybe a third.

It’s like trying to buy a new $60,000 Lexus by trading in a 2001 Camry and tossing in a couple thousand bucks. The salesman would just laugh.

by kindablue on Apr 28, 2009 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whoops

What was I thinking…I got my Arizona receivers confused, somehow I thought you were talking about Fitzgerald.

The offer you’re making is probably too low, but at least within negotiating range.

Not that Boldin would be the solution to our problems.

by kindablue on Apr 28, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Best WR in the league.?! I dont think he is in the top 15.

He hardly ever goes against the #1 corner and when he does he doesnt fair as well.

The Democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson

by squidlo97 on Apr 28, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry didnt see your last post.

The Democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson

by squidlo97 on Apr 28, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no thanks

Don’t want pay the price..

"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z

by Wmillion on Apr 28, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can't trade Marion, he just signed a big contract with a large bonus

He’s untradable. Choice is the most marketable and tradeable back. No bonus to hit the cap.

by StillHateTheGiants on Apr 28, 2009 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

uh....

ruining the relationship with Jimmy Johnson…
trading two #1’s for Joey Galloway…
effectively trading Steven Jackson for Julius Jones and Marcus Spears…
hiring Barry Switzer….
Hiring Chan Gailey. . .
Bringing in T.O.
Bringing in PacMan.

by Gmunny on Apr 29, 2009 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

help

he would help and he is an improvment on what we have and we would still have two rb’s

by KidCowboy on Apr 28, 2009 6:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

WR's

I don’t think we have to get Boldin. I’d take him for a good price of course, but there are other options. what about Braylon or even Ocho Cinco? Granted Ocho, with his mouth, would go against everything we’ve done this off season…but I think Braylon could be a great compliment to Roy and Cleveland drafted 2 or 3 WR’s. Thoughts?

by Gmunny on Apr 28, 2009 6:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

bad hands

braylon edwards has sucky hands and he cost more than boldin

by KidCowboy on Apr 28, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chad Johnson is the better WR.....and would fit what we need better than Boldin...

Arizona already drafted a top RB ummm…(.first rounder Beanie Wells)…so you can forget that trade scenerio anyhow……….Cincy…on the other hand (Cedric Benson)…needs a more dynamic rugged RB like MBIII………..

but you would think your new 1st round WR will get a season to show us what he’s all about before we hit the panic button…

by My_2_Cents on Apr 28, 2009 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

MBIII is staying

Guys,
  We would be much better served to have 3 backs that could start if necessary (witness last year). We have several receivers and 2 good tight ends that can fill in for one another.
Thats just on principal. If you look at the salary cap numbers there’s no way we could do what you propose.

by Boyz 2006 on Apr 28, 2009 6:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

y

choice is to good to warm the bench

by KidCowboy on Apr 28, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

who said choice was warming the bench this year?

He’ll get playing time.

Angst about WRs should be aimed at Jason Garrett.

He has plenty of weapons, how he uses them, and what type of game he calls will be the driving factor behind success in the offense. I would also add injuries and turnovers to that list, but garrett cant control that.

by THEjarhead on Apr 28, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I want to see MBIII return to his closer role.

Start and use him in first quarter with Felix, then use Choice and Felix in 2nd and third quarters and MBIII in 4th.

by lee3022 on Apr 28, 2009 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So a guy with his contract sits the 2nd and 3rd quarters

I don’t see that happening. I love having 3 really good backs. In fact, I want 4. The problem is, it’s the NFL in the salary cap era. You can’t afford that kind of depth at 1 position without sacrificing another. Choice has great value right now, it should be explored.

by StillHateTheGiants on Apr 28, 2009 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, I thought we were talking about football

Name one other back paid like Marion who is a 1/2 time player.

by StillHateTheGiants on Apr 29, 2009 6:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BTW, why would you sign braylon edwards or chad johnson to big contracts? Maybe they can sign a FA WR next year, but the cap wont let them this year.

by THEjarhead on Apr 28, 2009 7:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

brilliant #2...lol....

many many many FA’s next season…..Jerry’s purging the roster to load up after the season……

by My_2_Cents on Apr 28, 2009 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was not disappointed in this draft

with no early picks and Roy Williams already on board the issues were clearly depth and special teams. The picks seemed to be likewise addressed. The addition of Roy to the receiving corps is better than any rookie or FA available this year.

A factor not discussed much is the intangibles: hunger and locker room compatibility.

    a. The intensity of competition for the back-up jobs will only produce the realization that the have to win every play. The real dividends may be seen in December.

    b. I believe that the organization put a premium on character in this draft and will weed out anyone not on board before the season. Greg is quiet this year because he knows that includes him, contract year or not.

 I was thrilled that we drafted a kick-off specialist. I am intrigued with Wade’s pass-rush emphasis.

When did the TV/print “experts” ever understand the middle-late round picks?

by lee3022 on Apr 28, 2009 7:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm ok with our draft

I really am. But after reading this, I’m upset all over again.

Jarrett Dillard was my favorite receiver in this draft and was the only player I really, really, really wanted. Tear*

by sublimezg on Apr 28, 2009 8:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

awww,,,poor sub....

The one player I wanted, and declared my “pet cat” was ILB-Jason Williams….so I guess I have something to smile about…

by My_2_Cents on Apr 28, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really wanted Dillard as well.

He should have been one of our 5th or 6th round picks.

by Gmunny on Apr 29, 2009 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Surprised is what I was.

We traded out of the first day. Did not draft a safety, WR, or OL that will compete for playing time. We selected QB and a K that will never play. And we did not pick a NT at all.
All very strange to me!

by eightball on Apr 28, 2009 9:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not satisfied, despite all the attempts around here to put a good face on it.

1) We had SO many lower round picks—as many have pointed out, (assuming there was a willing partner) we could have packaged some of those to move up a few spots and grab one of the OLinemen that were available. Backup OLine on this team is a disaster.

2) Most agree this was a weak/mediocre draft-so I asumed we’d send some of those picks away and get returns for next year. Nope.

3)That all said, we STILL would have been able to do what we did anyways! We still would have had maybe 7-8 2nd-day picks, and they can bring in UFA’s. Did they really need 12?

I thionk we could have accomplished the same thing we did (a bunch of “potential”, long-shots, and injury histories) and also gotten one more player that would be graded higher, and maybe a few picks for next year.

by Realist Larry on Apr 28, 2009 9:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Here's the deal... the way I see it

In this draft Dallas didn’t have a 1st any longer because of Williams trade. They had a mid round 2nd. All the players that Dallas wanted of value were off the board. Of course they traded down. That’s a resounding DUH!

This team at this point doesn’t need any starters. We have all the starters set. May be a DT but that didn’t fall to us. So what does Jerry do? He picks good, solid, special teamers and back-ups. He makes competition at different spots on the defense. Ware can and will get a breather. Just think what that will mean in the 4th QTR to opposing QB’s!!

One more note:

Dallas could still pick up a vet FA WR… food for thought

by torchindefenses on Apr 28, 2009 9:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1....great points torch....

does everyone recall how dominant we were against Baltimore to start that game last year, ( i thought we were going to bury them in the first quarter)….by the second half…what happened ?…we got pushed around, we got tired, lost mental focus. had breakdowns everywhere,.and lost painfully…………….it’s good to have some quality subs throughout the game, and remove some of our starters from playing special teams as well, giving them more time off to re-energize…

I’m done seeing the same names at the bottom of our roster that have been cashing checks and not producing anything for years

the Carpenters, the Watkins, the Rodgers, the Octavians, the McQuistans, the Proctors, etc….they all have to go …

by My_2_Cents on Apr 28, 2009 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Realist Larry

“1.) We had SO many lower round picks—as many have pointed out, (assuming there was a willing partner) we could have packaged some of those to move up a few spots and grab one of the OLinemen that were available. Backup OLine on this team is a disaster.”

you need to have a trading partner first. They did draft one solid looking guy. We shall see. Plus, they know something we don’t. We are going to run more this year, my guess.

2) Most agree this was a weak/mediocre draft-so I asumed we’d send some of those picks away and get returns for next year. Nope

Weak and mediocre, too soon to tell. Tell us this after next season, or actually a few years down the road.

I’ll bet you this draft puts our defense over the top. How much? This year, our defense will be in the top 5. No doubt in my mind. This league wins with DEFENSE. Hello Pittsburg! We have enough offense to get the job done. Put it on the DEFENSE!

by torchindefenses on Apr 28, 2009 9:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

hell yeah

and like i just said, hell yeah

by Joey2zs on Apr 28, 2009 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What is your point????

Didn’t I say, as you even quoted, “assuming there was a willing partner” ?? I took that into account and and answered your criticism before you even said it.

Also, it’s a copout to say “After next season, or a gew years down the road”.

Actually, it’s an asinine thing to say on this blog and in this post, since the entire point is to discuss the draft. Of course everyone here knows nothing will be clear for years.

Did you want Raf and Grizz to shut the blog down, because, they—and you—and Joey—-don’t know squat about this draft either.

Neither do the geniuses in the “Warroom”.
We’re all expressing opinions.

Are you just argueing to argue?

by Realist Larry on Apr 28, 2009 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh-and nice prediction about the Top 5 Defense.

I’ve been reading that on this (Raf’s) Blog for years.
Led the league in sacks and we weren’t Top 5.

I guess some castoff Safety and Lower-Round rookies are going to make all the difference!

Doomsday III here we come!

Comments like yours justify my Realist tag.

by Realist Larry on Apr 28, 2009 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wade Does Know Defense

In 2 years he took our defense to the top of sacks department. When he gets the players that play his system we will be better. I think this draft has Wade written all over it. Not Jerry. Jerry has been doing better about listening to those that know football and going with their judgement. In other words, actually letting those people to do their jobs that he pays them for.

This is a very blue-collar draft. Each of the players hustle, are tough and are good. The only thing is that most of them didn’t go to big time schools. Look at the youtube video of Brandon Williams. You can see that is why Jerry said that Wade was getting on the table demanding that we take him. listen on dc.com the call from Jerry to Brandon and how he tells him that wade thought so much of him.

Wade, in the press conference after the draft , answers a question about what he looks for in stand up ends to put in the 34. Wade just says he can’t explain it but he knows it when he sees it. The years of experience tells him which guys can make that move and who can’t . He undoubtably believes that Butler and Williams will be able to make that move. he also loves and I mean loves what Jason williams brings. An inside backer with speed unlike we’ve seen. I physical guy with speed and bigger than burnett.

So you tell me if that is a sucessful draft. Look ,Hodge may never see the field on a regular basis except special teams but I differ with that assesment. I look at the videos and see that this kid averaged almost 10 tackles a game. How he played linebacker/ safety and is all over the field making plays. His arms and upper body look like Dexter Coakly. Again , another defensive player that looks like he hustles every play and is all over the place. Again I say a type of player Wade is looking for. Give me 53 guys like that and we will win but for now just let us start with 12.

by cowboyjohn on Apr 28, 2009 10:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Great post

"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips

by MrMinority on Apr 28, 2009 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

draft

i thought back up o-linemen weren’t drafted in the higher rounds. so all this talk of moving up to get an o-lineman is garbage. back up o-line is drafted in lower rounds, imo.

by maxdout on Apr 28, 2009 11:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Carpenter, Watkins, Brown, et al

I am glad Burnett and Canty are gone and hope to see Carpenter, Watkins, Brown and the other potentially good players follow them out the door, especially Carpenter. They had plenty of opportunity to produce and just did/have not.

Let’s start hurting some people again, like a couple of years ago. If you recall, everytime a team played Dallas, we filled up their training room. We sent several players with NE to the sidelines, and we we physically beat up people. Even Strahan said that (sadly after beating us in the playoff game).

We need to go back to that place.

by rha on Apr 29, 2009 7:44 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

After watching the draft.

I am glad NYJ passed on Miles Austin.

"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z

by Wmillion on Apr 29, 2009 10:06 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Austin

If the Jets had taken Austin, we would have absolutely had to address the position, either by trade or draft.

does anyone know what WR’s are currently available as FA’s? I assume that will change as well after June 1st and/or training camps, but just curious for now.

by Gmunny on Apr 29, 2009 12:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

Not a WR at 52 better then Miles. You can’t put a price tag on his years of experience.

"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z

by Wmillion on Apr 29, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The logic that Roy Williams was the 'Boys first round pick is inherently flawed.

Forgetting the fact that he cost a third rounder as well, Roy Williams signed a 5 year, $45 million dollar deal. Last year’s 20th pick Aqib Talib signed a 5 year, $14 million dollar deal. So you’re talking about not only a first rounder and a third rounder lost, but 6 million per year in salary cap space that could have been used to sign someone else pretty good. Would you trade the first rounder, the third rounder, and a good free agent for Roy Williams?

Of course not, which is why the the trade was unequivocally a bad one.

by Brendan Scolari on Apr 29, 2009 1:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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