The 46 and Cowboy packages
by Chandus on Apr 28, 2009 1:28 PM CDT
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PrintThe Draft has haters and has backers, that happens in every Draft, and I'm one of the backers (Cash_BSR may say that I'm always there :D), but the backers have reasons and I'll explain some of it.
This Draft is perfect for what the team has been trying to do and what it seems would like to do more, the Defense isn't a 3-4 scheme only team and that's why this Draft makes sense. Yes, no massive, or Ratliff clone, was drafted at NT, but that probably means that we will see less of a regular 3-4. And last year we saw something close to 50% of the snaps in a regular 3-4.
What have we seen the previous years? Of course, the 3-4. But other than that? 4-2, 4-3, Cowboy package (3-3 and 2-4) and the 46, in that order from Bill Parcells to Wade Phillips. So, what are we going to see this year? After the draft, I'm thinking a bunch of the 46 and Cowboys package, so without further ado let's see the packages:
46 Scheme:
I've seen 3 slight variations, and at the very least, I've seen the Cowboys using 2:
Scheme a:
Scheme b:
Scheme c:
There were three reasons behind the use of the 46 scheme, the first the improvement of Bradie James pass rushing moves, the second was Burnett's solid coverage hability and the third the health of Spencer that made the Cowboy package impossible. With this year additions I can see an improved use of the package by seeing this position battles:
(3) DEs and NT: Spears, Olshansky, Ratliff, Hatcher, Bowen and Dixon (I'm also including NT in the battles because you don't really need a NT to use this scheme, but is useful to have what looks like a NT because you can align in a regular 3-4 and move into the 46 just before the snap, surprize!)
(1) OLB: Ellis, Spencer, Butler and BWilliams (Ware will be the bookend).
(1) ILB: Brooking, Carpenter, JWilliams and Hodge (James is the other).
(1) Safety: Sensabaugh, MHamlin and DSmith (KHamlin would be the other S, be it SS or FS).
Cowboy package:
In 2007 I saw 2 variations of the scheme, the first is what looks like a 3-3 when the players take their initial position and a what looks like a 2-4. In the end, almost all of the players make some moves and the scheme ends up looking like this (in the 3-3 one of the front line DEs was Ellis):
And the Cowboy package was also a benefitiary of this Draft, with the extra depth at OLB and the addition of JWilliams and DSmith we may see more of this package.
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So, that's one of the reasons for which I'm happy with the Draft, there're other reasons but that's the subject of another post in another time.
What do you think of the schemes and the Draft?
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Cool graphics. Seeing these make me want the season to get here!
In that Cowboy package (the last one), who do you see as a starter for that “Star DB”? Is that where Scandrick may play, or a SS-type?
Trust them...they know what they're doing.
No, Scandrick would play in the Nickel
I’m looking at DeAngelo Smith in the Star.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
Okay, so more of a FS/CB tweener opposed to a CB/FS one?
He follows the strong side then?
Trust them...they know what they're doing.
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 28, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Smith is a CB/FS or a FS/CB prospect
Depending on how you’re looking at him… The guy played both positions for the Bearcats.
And yes, he would be on the strong side covering a TE in the picture. In 4 wide schemes with no TE a 4th receiver would be his assignment.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
I am waaay behind on this "Star" db position
What exactly is a “Star” db and why is he not just called the SS?
Game Recognize Game
by pretty ricky on Apr 29, 2009 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions
The plan was to use the star DB position last year
With Anthony Henry playing the position. Well, Newman’s injury and the rookies inexperience made it impossible. In the end the scheme was used in few snaps and the position isn’t really what you would call a SS position, because the DB main responsability is coverage.
I believe that this is why the team put such an emphasis on Safeties that could cover and why they had Delmas and McBath rated as highly.
Supposedly DeAngelo Smith is physical enough to play the position, I guess that we will see.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
Ahh gotcha
Seeing the star db so close to the line I assumed he was a SS type. Thanks!
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by pretty ricky on Apr 29, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Wonderful post
Makes our 1st pick make even more sense. A guy with ILB speed who can rush the passer.
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
This is awesome
Chandus,
This is really nice. I always enjoy your contributions because they’re always well thought out. Do you mind sharing how you made the diagrams?
brilliant. bravo. wish i could post this on my facebook wall.
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Thanks for all the comments.
About the diagrams, it’s only a matter of using paint (paint.net, it’s free and is a really nice image editor) to create the images, according to memories and diagrams that I’ve found on the net (you can find a lot on the 46 but nothing from the Cowboy package, that’s on me), and using imageshack to upload them.
Nothing more than that.
silverblue5:
Go ahead, this is a material contribution to this great site and you can do whatever you want with it.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
Amazing Work. Question for you Chandus
Is scheme B in the 46 the formation the Cowboys were in when the Ravens broke off those huge runs in the 4th qrtr?
Seems to me that if the G pushes the DE inside and the T can occupy the ILB or push him outside that would leave the RB one on one with the safety. And IF I am remembering correctly it was the safety that missed the tackle?
Not saying scheme B is bad just wondering. Missed tackles ruin any defensive formation.
Thanks. I am smarter after having read this post
Game Recognize Game
Yeah, that's probably the scheme in one of the plays
But, if you can see, Burnett, Canty and Davis won’t be on that scheme, or the team, any longer and Spears has to do a much better job than what he did in the first play… The guy was pushed back like 5 yards off the LOS by his assignment.
The thing is, in this schemes you put a premium on finding one-on-one asignments to exploit and that’s where the team failed a few times.
They can do a much better job.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
Scheme B
is the base 46 defense as used by Buddy Ryan. The Bears were almost impossible to run against.
In 1985, during the regular season, the longest run they gave up was 37 yards. Next longest was 36 yards, followed by six rushes for over 20 yards.
And that was it.
Like you say, missed tackles will kill you.
As much as I hate Buddy Ryan
I gotta give him props. His schemes are still being used nearly 25 years later.
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by pretty ricky on Apr 30, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions
He's one f'in SOB
He’s well known for the bounties that he offered to his players when he wanted to take out an opposition player. Troy Aikman was the premier example, the guy received some awful hits from the Eagles…
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
He also punched the OC in the face
on the sidelines during a game when he was the DC with the Oilers.
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by pretty ricky on Apr 30, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
SOB's are great in the NFL.
That rivalry between Buddy’s Eagles and Jimmy’s Cowboys was great. All that stuff about bounties is way overblown.
Buddy’s Eagles sacked, hit and harrassed Aikman something crazy in one game. I watched that game. Troy stood there and took it like a man. There was nothing dirty about those sacks and hits. I gained a tremendous amount of respect watching the way Troy took that beating and knew that he’d have a great future in the NFL.
That’s great football. Both in the way the Eagles beat the living S**T out of Troy and in the way that Troy stood up like a man and took it.
Beyond that, Jimmy Johnson greatly respected Buddy Ryan. He had an autographed picture or football card of Buddy in his office.
And Buddy greatly respected Jimmy. Soon after he became HC of the Arizona Cardinals, he invited Jimmy to come to training camp to work with his new LB’s. Jimmy accepted the invitation at first but then changed his mind, saying that if he did that for Buddy then he’d have to do that for some of his other ‘coaching friends’ like Dave Wannstedt.
Beyond Buddy’s 46 scheme, both he and Jimmy Johnson were old school, demanding as hell coaches. Those are the kind of coaches that you win with in the NFL.
Wasn't Jimmy the one who called out Ryan
in the post game press conference because Ryan ran off the field before Jimmy could confront him? As far as Jimmy’s admiration of and personal relationship with Ryan I know nothing about, but apparently Jimmy felt the bounties were big enough of a deal to bring it up to the media.
The hit’s may have been clean but the actual placing of the bounties is what I think was dirty and classless.
I respect Ryan’s coaching ability as a DC, but it takes some class to win a championship as a HC. Jimmy had class. Landry, Shula, Walsh, Gibbs, Lombardi all old school too, had class and the championships to back them up.
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by pretty ricky on Apr 30, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Absolutely
That was part of the battle between them and their teams.
That’s definitely true. As is everything I said. I know. I moved out to Phoenix when Buddy got the job here in 1994. Everything I said about the relationship between Jimmy and Buddy is true.
As far as bounties, that’s laughable. Guys in the old days were offered things like TV’s and so forth for great hits. That stuff’s been going on forever.
The "Body Bag’ game between Buddy’s Eagles and the Redskins on a Monday night is one of the classic games in NFL history.
Buddy’s defense in Chicago was one of the most brutal in NFL history and yet was one of the cleanest. Pro-Bowl TE Jimmie Giles of TB, who played against Buddy’s Bears, is one record as saying that his guys wanted to take you out, but never wanted to hurt you.
Bill Walsh had class? Not according to Mike Ditka. At the end of their NFC Championship game, the 49ers were leading 23-0. They had caught a big break in that the Bears starting QB, Jim McMahon, missed the second half of 1984 while the 49ers starter, Joe Montana, was just fine.
Nevertheless, at the end of a 23-0 voctory in which the bears were forced to play their back-up QB, offensive guard Guy McIntyre was inserted into the backfield to carry the ball in the waning minutes of the game. There was no earthly reason to do this except to rub it in against the Bears. That’sa not classy. That’s classless.
This, of course, led to Mike Ditka using William Perry in a similar way the following season.
Stuff like this happens all the time in the NFL. It’s part of what had given the league it’s character.
His stint with the eagles and bounty bowl
One of those hate him but respect him type things.
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by pretty ricky on Apr 30, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
i can't wait
to see our speedy linebackers put mcnabb on his back before he has a chance to throw it deep to jackson or maclin… i really hope that is what they are thinking, and if thats the case, our int’s should increase this year (as well as our sacks amazingly enough)
by CowboysFan4Life on Apr 29, 2009 1:22 PM CDT reply actions
Id like to see Hamlin as the SS in the 46
And somebody like Scandrick or Smith be the FS who covers the back of the field. I think it would make alot of sense.
I thank God everyday i wasnt born a Eagles fan!!!!!!
These packages are most likely one of the reasons we selected Jason Williams...
Last year he played mostly as a stand up LB right in front of a G, which in these defenses he would play the OLB/ILB in scheme C, and in that defense he played very well.
by nicholas.rodriguez on May 1, 2009 12:42 AM CDT reply actions
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