The Cowboys Play a Penny Stock - the Case for Stephen McGee
by Rafael Vela on Apr 29, 2009 9:00 AM CDT
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Let's sidestep the Mike Leach vs. Mike Sherman, Tech vs. A&M by proxy through Graham Harrell and Stephen McGee kerfluffle and examine the wisdom of selecting a mid-round quarterback.
The Cowboys' pick of McGee, at a time when they have a solid veteran, suggests to me that the organization is maturing in its draft outlook, that it's taking a longer view, rather than reflexively grabbing players to fill immediate needs.
Quarterback is the game's most needed position. Look at the price the Chiefs paid for Matt Cassell and the much heftier check the Bears wrote to obtain Jay Cutler. Given the heavy demand and meager supply, it's surprising that more teams with sure starters don't invest in quarterback development.
Two teams in recent years have made a habit of drafting quarterbacks, whether they needed them or not. Both reaped handsome rewards.
Let's look at the 1990s Ron Wolf-led Packers. Wolf sent the franchise on its way back to prominence when he sent a 1992 first round pick to Atlanta for a second year backup named Brett Favre. Favre quickly established himself as a top-tier QB but that did not stop Wolf from drafting a quarterback almost every year of his tenure as Packers GM.
Look at this list of prospects:
- '93 -- Mark Brunell, 5th round;
- '95 -- Jay Barker, 5th round;
- '96 -- Kyle Wachholtz, 7th round;
- '98 -- Matt Hasselbeck, 6th round;
- '99 -- Aaron Brooks, 4th round;
Wolf never went more than three seasons without drafting a quarterback. Not all of them hit, but that's not the point. Green Bay always had a young quarterback in waiting in case Favre went down. Because he proved to be one of the most durable quarterbacks in league history, Wolf could trade his prospects and enjoy a handsome return on his initial investment. Consider:
- Brunell cost the Packers a 5th round pick and was traded for a 3rd and a 5th.
- Brooks cost a 4th and was dealt in a package for linebacker K.D Williams and a 3rd round pick
- Hasselbeck was a 6th rounder and was used to help the Packers move up from 17th to 10th in the draft. The points assigned to Hasselbeck add up to a low 2nd round pick.
This decade, the Patriots have adopted the Wolf formula and have struck it rich. Bill Belichick took over a team that had an established vet in Drew Bledsoe, but has picked QBs in five of his ten years running the team.
As with Green Bay, not all Belichick's QBs developed. Rohan Davey and Cliff Kingsbury were busts. But the hits were enormous. 6th round pick Tom Brady's instant superstar play let New England trade the aging Bledsoe for a 1st round pick. 7th rounder Cassell brought the 34th pick this year and could have brought more had the Patriots wanted to accept a first rounder.
If McGee develops, Dallas will have two quarterback assets, in a league where many teams have none. Regardless of whether he hits or busts, the Cowboys should not hesitate to draft another quarterback two years down the line and every second or third year thereafter.
Because you never know when you'll need a quarterback. In 1979 the Cowboys' 3rd round pick came on the clock and a quarterback topped their draft board. The team had Roger Staubach and were happy with backups Danny White and Glenn Carano. They passed on the QB prospect and took TE Doug Cosbie instead.
Cosbie had a solid career and retired with all the Cowboys' tight end records, but the team's quarterback depth quickly dissipated. Staubach surprised the team by retiring the following spring and Carano, a '77 2nd rounder, flamed out. White was quite good for several years, but never got his team to a Super Bowl.
And that quarterback the Cowboys passed up? He had a pretty good career too.
His name is Joe Montana.
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Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
by OskieOskie on Apr 29, 2009 9:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
lol
You guys crack me up…no wonder I’ve been neglecting my Seinfeld reruns.
Trust them...they know what they're doing.
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 29, 2009 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
getting McGee was a good move. It can never hurt to have a good QB or two on the team. “Asset” is the exact word.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
by OskieOskie on Apr 29, 2009 9:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow Joe Montana a cowboy?
Would he be all that he is without bill walsh?
Would Tom Brady be all that he is without bill belichek?
I think Brady would be average but i have no idea about Joe.
What the French?! Toast!
by thebigham on Apr 29, 2009 9:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Montana is some what a product of Walsh and the west coast offense
I’m not saying he wouldn’t have been a good qb for the Cowboys and obviously would have had a good career if we picked him, however, I personally don’t think he would have had the success with us that he had under Walsh and running the west offense offense to perfection.
That being said, Raf’s point is well taken and hopefully the Cowboys will continue to draft mid rd qbs every other year.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 29, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jerry Rice May Have Helped Too
But I’ve always thought that the draft pics should include either a QB an O linemen or a WR. These seem to take the longest to develop and a later round pick can develop into a starter or valuable backup with time.
by staubachfan on Apr 29, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember,
Montana won his first two SBs without Rice.
by Rafael Vela on Apr 29, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
QB's are like girlfriends
You gotta keep bringing in new talent. If you train them well, it will pay off huge when you sell them.. Oh wait…
by sublimezg on Apr 29, 2009 9:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
lmao
that is so inappropriate, but funny
by MdFan24 on Apr 29, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
12 picks and no QB would have been a terrible draft
Based on past history of teams being able to find good talent and taking the time to develop a QB, not taking a QB would have been a big mistake. I just wish it would have been Pat White. Unfournately, he went went to high.
White is going to suprise a lot of people, by the time his carrer is over.
Rafael,
If McGee makes the team, how is having 3 QBs and 2 K on the 53 man roster going to affect the depth chart? Which group will be left thin FB, OL, DB, LB?
by I'm a Cowboy Babe on Apr 29, 2009 9:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope Raf answers you, but I've been thinking the same thing, and I think our FB Deon may be the odd man out.
that’s assuming the kicker can do it from 5 more yards back and makes the team, and that this QB has enough potential to keep. In which case he doesn’t clear waivers for the PSquad.
I’m not sure how the ‘emergency 3rd QB’ rule may help in his case though.
by Realist Larry on Apr 29, 2009 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Reality is we needed a kick off speciallist
Every since I saw Carolina with two kickers last year and the big advantage the defense was given by making the other team start at the 20, I wanted our own kickoff guy. The type of plays a team can run on the 20 and the 40 are totally different. Not to mention how bad kickoffs also lead to terriiiiiiible field position every time we got the ball back. I truly believe the offence had to score extra touchdowns just because of short kickoff.
I would love to see Rafael breakdown how much bad kickoff actually hurt us last year.
by I'm a Cowboy Babe on Apr 29, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Check out BishopWest's FanPost
He goes into detail about the kicking game last year. It’s a very good FanPost.
by Dave Halprin on Apr 29, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Grizz
BishopWest’s fanpost was a good start. If the numbers he came up from college translate to the Pro game then we should expect to see a touch back 1 out of 3 kick offs. Plus much better field position for the Defense and then the offense after a 3 and out.
I still would like to see how the bad kicking game affected the offense and the defense. I know it would be lot of work, but it would really make the point why getting Buehler was such a good thing.
by I'm a Cowboy Babe on Apr 29, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The emergency 3rd QB rule only affects the game-day 45 man roster
We’ll still have to leave a group thin on the 53 to keep 3 QB’s
"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time." -Max McGee
by BigDinSC on Apr 29, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I would have actually became ill and puked if we would have drafted White
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 29, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
White Puck
There are no guarantees with QBs, but in my opionion White will be a winner. White has been developing steadily for 4 years at WV. I think he will continue to develop in the pros.
But we will have to wait and see.
by I'm a Cowboy Babe on Apr 29, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm No Talent Scout
I think most of us got to see White play numerous times at WV and I just don’t see how his game translates to the NFL as a QB. I could be wrong but I just don’t see it.
by Este on Apr 29, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will add that I thought Slaton wouldn’t have a big impact in the NFL but he had a real solid rookie year.
by Este on Apr 29, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who is at risk?
from what I can see, guys like Carlos Polk and Steve Octavien, players who were coverage guys and coverage guys exclusively. The Courtney Browns of the world.
Remember, Buehler was a backup safety. He has pro day numbers that would put a lot of d-backs to shame. He’s a kickoff only guy too, but his leg adds something the Polks don’t.
I wouldn’t worry too much about it. They’re not going to activate McGee on most game days.
by Rafael Vela on Apr 29, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kerfuffle?
You anglophile…
"Oh... Oh, that's giving me a clue. Yeah, ye-yeah, I've got a raging clue right now." Hardly Boy 2 South Park episode, "The Mystery of the Urinal Deuce"
I was StarStruck at TBB/BSR, now...
by icStars on Apr 29, 2009 9:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
1st pick in the 4th is not a penny stock
The 4th round is where you take chances to get bargains – 1st round talent with injury concerns, 1st round on-field performance with a poor combine showing, etc. The 1st pick in the 4th is especially useful. The 4th is where we got Barber, Canty, and Choice. It’s where we (unsucessfully, thus far) took a shot at the athleticism of Stanback. You expect early 4th rounders to make a significant contribution within 2 years.
New England and GB were very successful. But Brady, Cassle, Hassleback were great penny stocks because they were selected in the 6th-7th rounds and turned into top QB’s.
Additionally, late round QB’s don’t become stars on their own. GB and NE have a staff with a track record of developing great QB’s. Garrett and Wilson did nothing to develop the QB’s in Miami and Chicago, respectively. In fact, it could be easily suggested that Romo took a step back under Garret / Wilson compared to his development under David Lee. So there isn’t much reason to believe we are going to turn McGee into the next star QB in the league.
That said, I still think we should have drafted a QB – but we should have waited until the 7th round. There were plenty of college QB’s equal to McGee’s skillset available in the 7th. There were no Safeties, NT’s, WR’s or OLinemen available that late with a skillset approaching what was available in the 4th.
by JimmyJohnson on Apr 29, 2009 9:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
there were no safeties, NTs, OL or WRs
available in the 4th rd that looked that great either.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 29, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The talent dropoff from 4th to 7th is huge for those positions
There was no dropoff at all for QB’s.
by JimmyJohnson on Apr 29, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
I think the talent at those positions in the 4th and 5th rds were not much different than the talent available in the 6th and 7th rds.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 29, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We passed on Sidbury, Robinson, Moore, Luigs, etc.
Maybe they have perceived warts (like Canty, MBIII, Choice, or Scandrick), but they all have 1st or 2nd round talent. There was nobody avalable in rounds 6-7 that had 1st round talent or upside…
by JimmyJohnson on Apr 29, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe the Cowboys didn't like them
just because the so called experts have high grades on those players doesn’t mean the Cowboys feel the same way.
The Cowboys came away unimpressed with Sidbury after interviewing him and personally, I don’t think he’s much better than Butler and Williams.
Moore has talent but IMO and obviously the Cowboys, he’s not much better than Hamlin.
Robinson is the exact opposite of what the Cowboys want which are tough, hard working players. Duke is fat and lazy and is the reason he dropped to the 5th rd.
Lugis is good prospect, but is strictly a center, Cowboys wanted a versatility guys like Unger.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 29, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
4th rounder
I made similar comments as JJ in the last thread and was blasted for it.
I agree with getting a young QB on the staff. But as pointed out, in years past, 4th rounders have turned into great players for us. So why use a 4th on a guy you expect to be a 3rd stringer for the next 4+ yrs? Especially when you can get a guy with similar skills and upside in the 6th, 7th or as an UFA. I point out Graham Harell, Chase Daniels, Rhett Bohmar, Reilly, Brabdstater, etc.
I’m not sayng McGee is a bad guy to have on this team (although saying he was behind Josh Freeman makes me wonder a bit), but I think you take him later and use that 4th on someone who has a chance to make a significant impact in the next 2 yrs. I don’t care about his value. It means nothing if he never gets on the field to contribute or showcase his abilities to make him trade worthy. . .and If you miss him because another team grabbed him, so be it, as I pointed, there were lots of decent QB’s that were available late or as UFA’s. I think Chase Daniels will turn out to be a Drew Brees clone and if Rhett Bohmar hadn’t gotten kicked off OU, he would have been running their offense last year and would have been a likely first round pick.
by Gmunny on Apr 29, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Boys wanted Unger
He was right there. Jerry didn’t make a move. Versatility guys don’t become probowl OGs or probowl centers.
3-4 DEs do not grow on trees and again Gilbert was right there and Jerry didn’t make a move.
by birdness on Apr 29, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually Unger was the most versatile OL in the draft...just saying
And again, you need trading partners to make a move. Not every team is willing at every pick.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 29, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trade Partner
Chicago was openly expressing the desire to trade out of 49. i realize it’s only 2 spots, but if the only guy on the board you really wanted is there, you would have thought Jerry would have at least inquired and let Chicago know to check back with them if anyone comes in with an offer.
As well, there were all kinds of reports that the staff really liked Robiske. Why not trade their 2nd, flip 4ths and give two later picks out of 7 possible from the 5th, 6th or 7th roundes in order to get up far enough to get him. you still could likely have come away with Jason Williams and with at least 9 players, including Robiske.
I also liked Sintim and Barwin.
by Gmunny on Apr 29, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the bottom line is the Cowboys got the players they wanted
and I’m fine with that. It will take a few years before we can determine whether their strategy paid off.
I for one don’t care whether a draft looks good on paper, I want to see results on the field.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 30, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aaron Brooks was a 4th rounder
The Patriots took Kevin O’Connell in the 3rd last year, even though they had a healthy Brady and Cassell on the roster.
Dallas considered McGee at 69. If you feel the QB is good value, you take him.
by Rafael Vela on Apr 29, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All I'm saying is he isn't a Penny Stock...
Aaron Brooks wasn’t either. But this year, by all accounts, there were QB’s of equal value there in the 7th round.
You can draft for the best player available.. and that can work
You can draft for need… and that can work. Like I said, I think we needed to draft a QB. We should have taken the best one available in the 6th or 7th rounds.
But you should never draft because you fall in love with a player. If they considered a QB at 69 with a skillset equal to some UDFA QB’s, that is exactly what Dallas did.
by JimmyJohnson on Apr 29, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they didn't agree
I talked to a scout last week who said a lot of team had McGee 4th, ahead of Pat White. Only the three first rounders were rated ahead of those two, who were jockeying on boards for 4th and 5th.
McGee isn’t a 7th round talent.
by Rafael Vela on Apr 29, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's fine
If he was the fourth rated QB, then the Boys had to pull the trigger. Now why was he rated the fourth QB? The Dolphins didn’t like him better than Pat White, who knows what the rest of the league thinks.
Most the draft sites rate McGee lower than #100, behind Rhett Bomar and Nate Davis. I believe Jerry reached but at least he followed a plan.
by birdness on Apr 29, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dolphins drafted White to run their wildcat offense
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 29, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
First pick in the 4th has real value for other teams
That used to be the first pick of the second day. Owners, GMs and Coaches have an evening to evaluate the first day, and look to see who’s left that can satisfy remaining needs. Now that benefit rests with the top of third. For that reason, I wish Jerry would have traded out for 2010 3rd. That would have been the Ammo Jerry needed to move up in the 2010 first round – Taylor Mays.
Nobody wanted to move up for Dorell Scott, Kaluka Maiava, D.J. Moore, Jonathan Luigs or Mike Thomas? Chances are McGee would still have been available at #110. The next QB prospect, Rhett Bomar was drafted at #151.
by birdness on Apr 29, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
""If McGee develops""
That’s a BIG “IF”.
I still am not happy with the picks. Defense wins in this league.
I hope I am wrong – according to my wife this must be a normal state of being for me so with this in mind this must be a great draft by our one and only team.
I live and die with the Dallas Cowboys
by stxshooter on Apr 29, 2009 9:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
your post confuses me
You’re not happy with the draft but you say defense wins and 7 out of 12 draftees are defensive players, that makes no sense to me.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 29, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah that didn't make much sense to me either.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 29, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha!
Trust them...they know what they're doing.
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 29, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't
Think we filled out “holes” on defense – I was driving and listening on the radio when (was it?) the Raven had not one but TWO LONG runs at the end of the game. Trading down in round 2 just didn’t make sense to me when we have needs. JJ just seems to like to get more picks – how many of those picks will make the team? 3 QB 2 Kickers? How many of those picks will receive playing time? I remember how happy I was last year and wellllll we ended up 9 and 7 so may be my being un-happy, this year, we will end up winning at least one Play Off game. On my next trip to Las Vegas I will not be putting any money on it.
Ref: McGee, I hope I am wrong but I also think a lot of A & M fans are just wishful thinking. If he’s any good will he get past the waivers for the PS? M. Moore didn’t.
Just my 2 cents (this and your still 198 cents short for a Coke in Las Vegas)
I live and die with the Dallas Cowboys
by stxshooter on Apr 29, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess when Romo has another three interception, two fumble day two years from now
we’ll see McGee playing.
by ym on Apr 29, 2009 10:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I seriously doubt it, you don't bench your franchise qb for playing a bad game
you bench him if he plays several bad games in a row, which Romo never does. He usually only has 2 or 3 stinkers a year.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 29, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
But it is an interesting thought experiment. Romo is streaky. He has great games where he looks Staubach-esque… then he has… how do I put it kindly?
We know soon into the 1st Quarter if Romo is having a bad game. It would have to be tempting to replace him with an average (or even slighly below average) NFL QB when he has one of those bad days.
by JimmyJohnson on Apr 29, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Romo
is one guy I have never mistaken for Staubach.
Roger’s trademark was staying cool under extreme pressure, pulling out the impossible win when the situation looked bleak. With Roger at the helm, I never thought the Cowboys were out of the game.
Roger can win this thing.
Late in the season in a crucial game, if the Cowboys are ahead by a slim margin and Romo is on the field, I always have the sinking feeling that he can find a way to blow it.
Tony can lose this thing.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
by OskieOskie on Apr 29, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always feel that Romo can win any game no matter how bleak it looks
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 29, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Buffalo in 2007 comes to mind
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 29, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you on this for the most part, Terry
But, while Romo can be great. He can also have horrible games.
We wouldn’t have needed the comeback and miracle onside kick (another reason Folk is great) in Buffalo if Romo hadn’t had one of the worst QB performances of all time for 3 1/2 quarters.
by JimmyJohnson on Apr 29, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or how about...
steeler 08 game
What the French?! Toast!
by thebigham on Apr 29, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In his first 20 games
Romo seemed like he could always bring the team back. That’s why the local radio station dubbed him the Jedi QB.
However, Since the last 3 games of ‘07, his magic seems to have disappeared. Either he had it or he didn’t, and you could tell, usually by halftime or sooner as to which.
I like to beleive he can always bring us back, but his style lends itself to mistakes under pressure. Boom or bust. Sometimes he makes the impossible happen, but when you play like that too often, you are going to have your fair share of disappointments as well.
by Gmunny on Apr 29, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree completely
first of all, i thought he played pretty well in that giants playoff game, about as well as he did in the regular season.
Then, there were games against washington (2),arizona, philly (first game) and baltimore where he did play well in the second half despite his early struggles.
There is really more evidence to suggest that Romo still have that magic than otherwise. The steelers game is really the only game that he didn’t come through for us.
by foyesboys on Apr 29, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's an opinion
Look, until the end of the ‘07 season, I had all the faith in the world in ROMO. Going through those final games and then the playoff loss, he lost his mojo. Not because he played poorly, He played farily well, but not well enough…because he wasn’t able to magically bring us back.
Same with the ‘08 season. I’m not saying he played terribly and lost us a lot of games, but his magic didn’t work in ‘08 more than it did. He just ddn’t get the majority of the lucky bounces or those crazy plays from the year before, like when he ran back 30 yds against St. Louis and scarmbled back for a first down, or dropped the ball, only to have it bounce right back into his hands.
…and I’m not trying to be a jerk, but look at the results. a flameout in the playoffs, and then a 9-7 season. Granted, he was hurt, but we also lost plenty while he was around.
I’m not down on him, I’m just saying, he needs to improve as well as get some of that mojo back.
by Gmunny on Apr 29, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was the only game in his career
that he truly disappointed me.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 29, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Buffalo
was fun to watch, and Romo gets his props for that.
But it wasn’t a crucial, high-pressure, make-or-break-the-season type of game.
I like Romo, I just think he needs to step it up late in the season to get us to the promised land.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
by OskieOskie on Apr 29, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'l never forget
that game. I always think that before I count Romo ad the boys out.
Also even thought they lost how about those back 2 back TD drives against Baltimore to give us hope twice before the defense collapsed.
Texas Stadium has a hole in the roof so God can watch his favorite team play football.
by iCowboy on Apr 29, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been as critical as anyone about Romo
But I don’t remember a lot of horrible games since he became the starter. To me, his brain farts are more apt to be stretches in games. He rarely sucks all day and in fact, there’s been a number of games he hasn’t played particularily well and finished really strong. He is more apt to pull out an amazing win as he is to snatch defeat from victory.
I think it’s a shame that NFL QB’s can’t be treated like starting pitchers. It could be even better since they could re-enter a game. If a guy is struggling and you have a good #2, why shouldn’t you pull him and let him collect himself. It crazy how emotional they get about it.
by StillHateTheGiants on Apr 29, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
would you have pulled him after the horrific start in the cardinals game?
cause if you do, i doubt that game goes into overtime.
Would you have pulled him after the two turnovers in the second quarter of the philly game, letting them back in? if so, we don’t win that game either.
WOuld you have pulled him after the two early turnovers on the TO slant routes in the second washington game? He played pretty well after those
by foyesboys on Apr 29, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
look what happen
after Mcnabb got benched..
What the French?! Toast!
by thebigham on Apr 29, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they got killed!
and mcnabb didn’t play significantly better afterwards, their defense did.
They were only down by like 7 points at halftime of that ravens game, it very well could’ve/should’ve cost them their season.
by foyesboys on Apr 29, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is an absolutely terrible example
McNabb absolutely 100% cost them the game against washington week 16 by throwing multiple balls to open receivers into the ground, which under any normal circumstances would’ve cost them their season. He really did not play that well otherwise either. He wasn’t some world beater against the giants in the playoffs, or minnesota for that matter- if plax is on their team, they would actually be able to score.
by foyesboys on Apr 29, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reid was also an idiot for benching McNabb to begin with
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 29, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
McGee is a good pick
I just wonder about his arm strength. He doesn’t have the best arm strength for zipping in balls.
by torchindefenses on Apr 29, 2009 10:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
How much tape have you seen of him?
I ask because I’ve seen that in some scouting reports but I’ve also seen others that say his arm is strong. I’ve also heard that about Romo and I know he can make all the throws.
by StillHateTheGiants on Apr 29, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
3 Yrs From Now...
If McGee hadn’t played at A&M but was a longhorn instead where would he have been drafted. I’ve watched him and Colt McCoy play and I don’t see that much difference in talent level. The best thing for McGee is unlike Sanchez he’ll have time to sit and learn what it takes to become a professional QB.
I also think Mickens maybe seen within a couple of years of being a draft day steal. I like how there addressing the CB situation. Adding Scandrick and now the two Bearcats their building a solid group of corners. I’m not completely sold on Jenkins but I hope he turns into a player.
by Este on Apr 29, 2009 10:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Great writing as always, Rafa
And you kind of make the case for Montecito, no?:)
by Sergio Padron on Apr 29, 2009 10:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't see that at all, and I'm a Tex defender
Here’s my take. Tex basically says Romo sucks and should be replaced. Tex is probably happy because he sees a potential replacement for Romo is now on the roster. The ball has started rolling down the hill. Raf is saying it’s a good investment to draft and develop QB’s and goes out of his way to discuss why it has nothing to do with whoever your current starter is.
by StillHateTheGiants on Apr 29, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
StillHate,
Tex defender?
You are aware that Tex is just a troll, right?
He appears just to attack Romo, even when Romo isn’t relevant to the topic… Sure he’s a fan. Sure he is.
by falconPUNCH on Apr 29, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When the crowd is all mindlessly running in one direction, my inclination is go the other way
I’ve supported Tex when people wanted to ban him because they didn’t like his opinion. Everytime he posts, there’s a knee jerk reaction from a crowd of people he would bury in a match of IQ’s and they feel safe because they’re following the group think. He knows exactly what to say to annoy people like poking ferrets in a cage. When he feels strongly about something he’s not afraid to express his opinion. I don’t consider that being a troll. I’m willing to bet his passion for the Cowboys is just is strong as yours and he’s probably been a fan longer.
by StillHateTheGiants on Apr 29, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about a match of IQ's.
I have no problem with his stance.
His opinion is his opinion.
But speaking in the third person and repeating yourself over and over again doesn’t make me gush out of admiration of intelligence.
I could do that too… but I’d rather not come off as a cartoon character.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 30, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not really,
if a “sexier” QB were in the saddle, I don’t know if Tex would be so loud.
by Rafael Vela on Apr 29, 2009 10:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
By the way, Rafa
Ready for Arsenal Man U
by Sergio Padron on Apr 29, 2009 10:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I've been ready for two weeks
Will Gibbs and Djourou be ready? Those are the questions.
by Rafael Vela on Apr 29, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good Luck to the Gunners
No recent news on the injuries yet, less than 3 hours from kickoff. A Barsa-Arsenal final would be nice.
by Sergio Padron on Apr 29, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least it wasn't Graham Harrell
As a UT fan I don’t necessarily care for either, but I played against Harrell 3 times in high school, including in a playoff game at TEXAS STADIUM (which we won) and he was the most classless player for a classless team (coached by his father, so no surprise). I go into a little bit of detail in my most recent post at http://nonechance.blogspot.com/
by David M on Apr 29, 2009 12:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A Visible End Date for the Simpsons Era
Bringing in a young quarterback sends the right message to fans and the team – Romo needs to win a playoff game(s) in the next two years or the Simpsons Era will end in Dallas.
Romo has absolutely collapsed down the stretch for three years in a row, and as they say… once is an aberration, twice is a coincidence, and three times is a trend.
The quarterback position has been sufficiently addressed for this season, but Tex can’t wait to Stephen McGee… who will hopefully turn out to be the anti-Romo in terms of toughness, fitness, leadership, behavior, and performance in the clutch.
PS: Here’s hoping Lorenzen Romo starts going to Kitna’s Bible studies instead of staying out late on the party/ paparazzi circuit with his divorced songstress.
by Montecito Tex on Apr 29, 2009 12:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Kitna's Bible studies?
Did I miss the part where Kitna was a ridiculously successful QB in the National Football League?
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 29, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wolf drafted a late QB and tried to develop him into a player
The top of the 4th isn’t late. So three years from now, after winning back to back Superbowls, Romo injures his knee while playing at the Masters. McGee comes in has a great year and we trade him to (if we had a GM) the GMs new team for a second round pick. How’s going from a 4th to a 2nd over three years creating value.
The Worlf formula is to pick QB late, or even sign a UFA, not burn #100 on a prospect that really isn’t much different than a UFA.
by birdness on Apr 29, 2009 12:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"injures his knee while playing at the Masters"
Too funny…
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 29, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Quarterback of the Future
There are at least 100 quarterbacks, from Derek Anderson and Shaun Hill to Leinart and Leftwich, who could have won a playoff game over the last three years with this loaded Cowboy squad. Based on a sufficient sample of work, it is probable that Romo will never win a playoff game in Dallas and it is to prudent to look forward to life without the slippery-fingered signal caller.
In a short period of time, Romo has been responsible three of the worst moments/ decisions in franchise history, and (knowing his make-up, intellect and toughness – or lack there of), that trend will likely continue… thus the need for a quarterback of the future.
Great move, but if the Cowboys would have “taken a longer view” at the most important position in all of sports two years prior, there would have been a legitimate quarterback competition in 2009 between Quinn and Romo – and the loser would have had plenty of trade currency. Better late than never, see Brian Stewart.
by Montecito Tex on Apr 29, 2009 1:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
not at all
i don’t knwo why im even responding to you – but how many times have we seen romo make something out of nothing. Watch a qb like mcnabb consistently underthrow his wrs and kill drives.
The browns weren’t a world apart from us in terms of offensive talent last year, and neither quinn nor anderson did anything.
by foyesboys on Apr 29, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't waste you time
He’s a Romo hater because #9 was responsible for the qb he is in love with, Drew Henson, to be cut.
Tex is bitter so he spews this garbage.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 29, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
3 Years is the magic number for greatness.
Joe Monatana drafted 1979, Superbowl win in third season. Tex is on to something
John Elway drafted 1983, Superbowl loss in 4th season, a couple more Superbowl losses after that, but nine years later he won back to back and retired. Would Tex have canned an eventual Hall of Famer?
Dan Marino also drafted in1983, lost the Superbowl his second year and never went back. Again, would Tex have canned an eventual Hall of Famer?
Brett Favre drafted 1991, won the SuperBowl six years later, would Tex have canned the owner of every QB record?
Peyton Manning drafted 1998, won the Superbowl in his 9th season, Would Tex have canned the 3x MVP?
Everyone on this board wants the Boys to win. Romo is our best shot. McGee might grow into something down the road, but he’s not even close to sniffing the field in an actual game.
by birdness on Apr 29, 2009 1:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
McGee is more of a project than Romo was
Even though he was a div 1-AA product, Romo at least set all kind of passing records at that level. All McGee did at Texas A&M was mostly run the option and rarely dropped back and read through progressions. When he dropped back to pass and his 1st option was covered, he ran.
I personally believe it will take McGee at least 4-5 years before he’s ready to start in the NFL. Maybe by the time Romo is ready to retire, McGee will be ready.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 29, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I completely agree and...
Since we have Kitna for this year as a viable back up, why couldn’t we wait until next year and take a guy like Colt McCoy in the 3rd through 5th rounds (depending on how he does this year). He may not have the physical tools like McGee, but he is still decent sized (6’2") and runs a 4.5/4.6, has worked out with Romo in the summer, says his play is like Romo, and is an extremely successful QB. Oh, and he proved this past year he is tough and clutch (led the team in rushing and led them on a game-winning drive in the Fiesta Bowl)
by David M on Apr 29, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got news for you
unless McCoy totally falls flat on his face this year, he’s easily a first rd pick. No way he lasts until rd 3.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 29, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he'll ever be a first rounder.
He was projected in the 3rd for this year. Just has no arm. And that seems to be the number 1 tool for picking first rounders. Teams think they can teach mechanics and accuracy.
by Mandmeisterx on Apr 29, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His arm isn't that bad.
He hasn’t had a widereceiver that stretches the field.
I think his arm is as strong as Sanchez’s.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 29, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sanchez doesn't have a rocket arm either
I view McCoy a lot like Sanchez, west coast type qbs. If Sanchez went #5, I easily see McCoy as a first rd pick.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 29, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Colt's playing for a 1st round pick this year
if he has very few turn overs and a lot of TDs he may do it, but he’s not immune to the Graham Harrell Treatment - also see what happened to Chase Daniels this draft. Surely chase was worth a draft pick, right?
by AustonianAggie on Apr 29, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you would think, just like you would think Romo was worth one
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 29, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Sanchez was a first rounder due to how horrible of a QB class this was.
The other part of it is that Sanchez is still somewhat of an unknown. He has a huge boom/bust thing going for him. Same with Freeman. I think with Colt, you know what you’re getting. Solid, but unspectacular.
by Mandmeisterx on Apr 29, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I personally think that Freeman is over-rated....
From what I’ve seen, he looks great against some teams like UT and then he looks pathetic against other teams like Tech. I think everyone just fell in love with him because of his size-they think he’s another Flacco. The problem with Chase Daniel is his height-barely 6 ft. Scouts don’t like his size even though Brees has done well. As much as I like Colt I’m unsure about him being a first rounder. I still think that McGee is going to surprise a lot of people because he’s smart and quick footed. Give him time to develop his mechanics and who knows?
by texstar on Apr 29, 2009 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a Texas fan...
I don’t really think McCoy is 1st round talent… but alot of the scouts have him already projected as a first rounder and some even as a top 10 talent.
I think he’s more of a second rounder than first.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 29, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
qbs always go higher in the draft
than what they really should, happens all the time because the position is so important.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 29, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who was the Hawaii QB?
That guy put up insane munber, but was viewed as a weak armed system QB. McCoy will have to work hard to earn a first round grade. Still the NFL is always looking for the next franchise QB, so there will be interest.
by birdness on Apr 29, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats kid was also 5-11, not 6-3
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 29, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did the NCAAs change the position of KO's last year?
and where is it now in relationship to the NFL?
by AustonianAggie on Apr 29, 2009 2:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Colt McCoy
…has 1st round heart, attitude and football IQ
he has 3rd or 4th round talent
he has 6th or 7th round size and strength.
because of all that, I think he should be a 3rd or 4th rounder, but a lot will depend on how he plays next season and what the rest of the QB class looks like.
I think he could just as easily slide or even go undrafted. As I said in a post above, I think Chase Daniels is a Drew Brees clone, but with better feet – but he didn’t even get drafted. I don’t get it.
speaking of Daniels: Say what you want of Sean Salisbury, I heard him talking about Daniels last week and he said QB height is overated. He’s 6-4 or 6-5 and often couldn’t see over the OL or DL. He said in the NFL you throw through lanes, and if you’ve got "it’, you can make it. He felt Daniels could be a very good QB in the NFL. I guess NFL teams disagree.
by Gmunny on Apr 29, 2009 3:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
7th round size maybe...
but he’s become strong as hell dude.
I still don’t see the comparison between Daniels and Brees.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 29, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, 6-3 ,215 certainly isn't 7th rd size
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 29, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he's
actually six foot three… I’m thinking it’s closer to 6’2 or 6’1
But that doesn’t matter to me either.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 29, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chase Daniel is barely 6 ft tall....
I may be wrong but I don’t think he has a very strong arm either. One other knock against him is he lost to OU, Texas, and I think either OK State/Tech this past year. In other words, there’s questions about him being able to win in big games.
by texstar on Apr 29, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He should be taller
But he decided to roid it up in HS
Pizza face Chase!
by j1veturkey on Apr 29, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Height is overrated in qbs, could never understand that reasoning
although almost all teams covet that as much as arm strength.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 29, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dallas and QBs
How many times did Danny White take the Cowboys to the playoffs despite playing in the toughest division in the then mighty NFC? Throw away Joe would have washed out in the Dallas offense, most of his completions were for 5 yards or less. Anything more than that was because of yards run after catch. Dallas might have passed on Montana but the player Tom Landry wanted that the Niners traded up to draft was Jerry Rice. See Tom Landry’s autobiography.
by pick2568 on Apr 30, 2009 9:29 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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