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Why I've come to peace with the Cowboys' draft

There are many ways to build a team.

There are also many ways to evaluate those who do so.

It is odd that I find myself in this position, because during the draft I never thought I’d be the one tapping the brakes, tempering the panic, assuring the rest of Cowboys fandom that Jerry and Co. had not lost their collective minds. As I look back at the events that transpired, however, I’m coming to the belief that the front office did what they could and made the best of their situation despite the dice adamantly refusing to roll in their favor.

Example A: Trading out of 51. The bounty received from Buffalo for surrendering this pick was pretty meager. The team cannot be faulted for the decision, however; they obviously believed that no player left for the taking was worthy of that selection. There’s a reason everyone was under the impression they had passed; Jerry was likely pounding every phone within reach trying to get the best offer possible. Why? Because Seattle chose to trade up and steal the last player the Cowboys were really coveting at that spot. To me, this doesn’t lend to the theory of incompetence, but to simple, unavoidable bad luck.

Example B: The Jason Williams pick. It was emblematic of the Cowboys’ draft, as most experts seem to think Dallas reached on the majority of their picks.

You know what? I have no problem with that. I respect Scott Wright, Walter Sobchak, Mike Mayock, Mike Lombardi, and even to an extent Mel Kiper. They devote hundreds of hours to intensive study of these players. A team’s scouting staff, however, it composed of several people who do the same thing for a living. They don’t publicize their views in videos, blogs, or radio appearances, but they are professional player evaluators just like the aforementioned pundits. If the Cowboys felt Jason Williams was a better pick than Rashad Johnson, or didn’t think highly enough of Jarron Gilbert to trade up a few spots, I’m perfectly content with that. You have to trust your scouting department, and Jerry’s certainly got the resources to assemble a good one. So, Robert Brewster wasn’t as flashy a prospect as Jamon Meredith. I don’t care. The Cowboys seemed to like his versatility, his pass-blocking acumen, hell, maybe they fell in love with his glasses. Whatever it was that swayed their judgment toward a certain player, we can’t fault it just because we hadn’t read up on that particular player.

 

Example C: David Buehler. I’ve seen the team lambasted on many different sites for choosing to draft a kicker while Nick Folk, he of the pinpoint leg, solidly occupies a roster spot. This is a flawed argument for a reason most pundits aren’t aware of; the simple fact that there is too much minutiae to keep track of. I can’t honestly expect Todd McShay to know tat Folk didn’t register a single touchback last year; the number of people outside of the Metroplex/Fanbase Venn diagram who are aware of that stat can likely be counted upon two hands. Buehler adds a new element to the Cowboys roster and will likely bring about a massive shift in hidden yardage. There’s not a doubt in my mind that he was a worthwhile selection and will constitute a very constructive roster spot. My point being this: These evaluations are usually cobbled together within a very short time span, consisting of a hurried assessment of player scouting reports correlated with a basic Team Needs chart. There was even one evaluator who stated that Victor Butler and Brandon Williams were brought in to offset the departure of Chris Canty. This particular pundit looked at Canty’s position (DE) and the positions Butler and Williams played in college (DE) and drew together a conclusion, failing to realize that a 3-4 DE is an entirely different position from a 4-3 DE.

Lastly, the bottom line is as such: It is folly to evaluate a draft this early in the process. The current Super Bowl champions, for instance, draft very unconventionally: The majority of their picks are raw athletes and good character guys who fit the scheme well but rarely contribute in anything more than a backup/ST role during their first year or two. These players are given time to ease in the system and when they are fully ready to contribute, a roster spot has opened up and they suddenly look like a bunch of geniuses. An evaluation of that same draft class one year earlier, however, would have come to the conclusion that the Steelers reached for a bunch of depth. The lack of prophetic vision prevents the pundits from seeing the Pittsburgh trophy case, now slightly heavier. 

 

I was initially very frustrated with our draft this year. I had a hard time finding good value picks, I didn’t see the team address areas of need (WR, NT), and was agitated by the lack of a primo pick. The more I look at it, though, I find myself liking what transpired on April 25th and 26th of 2009.

 

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well written and solidly argued, I agreed all the way

by scottmaui on Apr 29, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

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Totally how I feel. Let them stick their noses in the air while we prepare for another dynasty.

Trust them...they know what they're doing.

by Aaron Novinger on Apr 29, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kicker Options

I really liked your explanations and ever since I found out (on BTB) that Folk never had a touchback, I’ve been a lot happier with Buehler.

Not only did he get 55% of his kickoffs to be touchbacks last year, but he outran and outbenched Maualuga. Imagine lining up Folk and Buehler on kickoffs. Folk could fake or kick an onside kick and then Buehler could kickoff if there was a fake. Every team would be focused so much on the kickoff and not just assume we are going to pin it deep. Also, Having a chance to have your coverage guys get a break a couple times a game because of touchbacks is huge. They don’t expel as much energy and the return team doesn’t get the hidden yardage. Lastly, can you imagine Buehler destroying a returner? If he is as fast and strong as his combine numbers show, he could be an extra tackling option on kickoffs.

Hopefully our special teams coach has thought of the same things and we can be pioneers with using 2 kickers. Last year, it was the Wildcat formation. Maybe this year the fad will be using 2 kickers to mess with the minds of kickoff teams.

by futurecoach on Apr 30, 2009 6:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Terry you must be one of the most positive people I know.

I hope you are in a profession (like teaching) where you can use that skill to rub off on others.

I don’t consider myself I negative person, just a realist. But to say this draft was a positive one is just silly. Let’s be real here. We swung and missed. Honestly I don’t even know if Jerry to the bat off his shoulder. He might have been caught looking. Honesty I don’t think he had any intentions to hit a Home Run let alone a single.

If the Cowboys could only play like a team with passion and unity like my beloved
Boston Celtics, I would be happy.

by Captain Comeback on Apr 30, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

its just as silly to say the draft was a negative as well

The fact is the Cowboys took players who they scouted and who fit what they want a Cowboys player to be, tough, athletic, productive, hard working…tell me Captain, what the hell is wrong with that?? I got news for you, you can’t hit that homerun in every draft and in reality, nobody knows for sure its even homerun or strikeout.

What is silly is saying for certainty that they know the draft was good or bad because the fact is that won’t be known for at least 2 or 3 years from now.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 30, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Terry, we should just give up and stop answering this kind of posts...

It’s obvious that the detractors wanted this kind of guys:

- Unger. Too slow footed and weak to be considered a Tackle prospect. Best as a Center prospect. Not as good to seat Gurode and Gurode was very average as a Guard.

- Beatty. One year wonder Beatty. There’re questions about thoughness, love for the game, coachability, desire and hard work. Exactly the opposite of what the Cowboys were looking for.

- Sean Smith. I didn’t liked him very much (I liked Sherrod Martin much more and thought that he fitted the profile much better) because this guy has thoughness questions, he’s a bit stiff and he’s raw. And isn’t known for being a hard worker.

I don’t really know who else would have been our team saviour other than these 3 guys, but according to everything that I’ve heard this is the conclusion that I’m getting: “our team obviously missed when they didn’t picked the guys that I liked because who cares about their weaknesses? I only care about the weaknesses of the guys that our team actually picked”.

Viva México! Go Cowboys!

by Chandus on Apr 30, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

No one should respond to him...

This is the same guy who halfway through the philly game got on and started bashing all posters calling them idiots.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by AirforceBat on Apr 30, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why is it that people cannot state a contrarian viewpoint on here?

The nature of good decisionmaking is all about vetting all points of view.

What he is saying is as valid (and invalid) as any other poster’s viewpoint, but because it isn’t positive, you’re deriding him. What happened to his right to voice a different opinion?

When did this become the ‘whatever Dallas did, it must have been the best thing ever’ site?

I think you all need to be careful not to stifle the opinions of others, regardless of their slant, because without provocative discourse, disagreement and dialogue, this could end up a very boring, totalitarian Cowboys blog.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Apr 30, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I applaud the different point of views and subsequent discussions.

It’s more a matter of guys bringing up our team choices weaknesses while they totally ignore:

a) Giving their opinion on which should have been the Cowboys selections, or

b) Your favorite prospect weaknesses.

Just like your case, when your 2nd Round saviour would have been a one year wonder that goes totally against what our team likes in their prospects…

This kind of discussions aren’t constructive and are boring.

Viva México! Go Cowboys!

by Chandus on Apr 30, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

So, why not argue the facts rather than things about the poster?

You may not like a pick or someone else’s pick, but why the outrage over a differing viewpoint?

It’s like the hypersensitivity around someone who says “Beatty would have been a good pick” is personally offensive to you. I don’t get that.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Apr 30, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh no...

don’t get me wrong, my statement was going towards that remark itself.

I just have a big time problem with a guy getting on and saying something like “all of you who thought we would go to the playoffs and had any hope are complete idiots” which he did.

I’ve never had a problem with your opinions either. Never have I said, “I totally disagree with you.” I didn’t really like the draft either, but I didn’t put a post up every 3 seconds of continous bashing.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by AirforceBat on Apr 30, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Okay

They way you wrote it sounded like you didn’t want people to respond because you weren’t interested in a dialogue around WHY he felt the way he does.

I think the best discussions on this blog are the ones where multiple viewpoints are flushed out.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on May 1, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry about that.

No, he’s a guy that used to be on BSR.

He would make statements about being ashamed of the Cowboys for signing Marion Barber’s contract and just silly crap.

And then when he went off on everyone that posted here, calling them fools for hoping that their team would win.. well it just pissed me off.

I hate fairweather fans.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by AirforceBat on May 1, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

What makes a positive draft to me is whether or not the team improved, overall.

And just because they didn’t snag an instant starter, doesn’t mean this class won’t contribute or won’t force some underachieving Cowboys outta town.

Last year’s draft may have received high ‘grades’, but none of those guys were projected as starters either, aside from special teams.

Trust them...they know what they're doing.

by Aaron Novinger on Apr 30, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

True

I was the first to blast Jerry/Cisky on the ’Tellus pick.

I started eating my hat when he broke 500 receiving yards. In fact, I think Dallas could now use him in a base double TE offense now. That was what we hoped to do with Witten and Fasano.

I also thought Choice was a luxury pick, but he may end up the best of the 3 backs and make us regret paying Barber all that money.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Apr 30, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well...

I will say that, at the time, I knew the David LaFleur thing had bust written all over it. same with Dwayne Goodrich and Kareem Larrimore. Oh, the pain…

The fun part of the draft IS the buildup, hype and hope that your favorite players get picked. That’s why there are so many mocks on SB Nation. You may not want to or like people judging the draft prematurely, but generally people see that as a logical extension of the mock draft process. It’s fun to get an “A” from Peter King or Mayock or whoever in the same way it kinda sucks to get a “D”.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on May 1, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

as to the entertainment purposes of it, but any serious and knowledgeable fan knows it’s just that and nothing more.

When the Cowboys got "A"s last year, it didn’t make me any more or less excited about our draft class because I wanted to see them play first before I passed judgment.

Regarding those late 90s and pre-Parcells drafts, those were the work of Larry Lacewell who I always thought was one of the worst talent evaluators of all time. For some strange reason, Jerry liked him and listened to him..why, I don’t know.

I think Ciskowski is a great talent evaluator and as long as Jerry follows his board, I’ll always be confident in good drafts for the Cowboys.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on May 1, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Ciskowski is a great talent evaluator and as long as Jerry follows his board, I’ll always be confident in good drafts for the Cowboys.

A little story:

Bill Parcells liked Marcus Spears and had him rated as high as Ware and wanted him with the 11th pick. Jeff Ireland wanted Ware and didn’t budged. They had a big argument about who to pick. In the end, Ireland won because his information about Ware made him think that he was the way to go and that they could end up being lucky and walk out with both guys.

Ireland’s main job? He was an information collector, the advise and most of the information came from Ciskowski. That’s why the first thing that Ireland and Parcells tried to do was taking Ciskowski to Miami, Jerrah said: “No way, no how”.

Viva México! Go Cowboys!

by Chandus on May 2, 2009 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

exactly

most Cowboys don’t realize he’s the man behind all our great draft picks that are currently on the team.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on May 2, 2009 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

This draft haul is going to be very telling about Cisky's abilities

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on May 2, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

2nd post but what the hell

Im starting to think many of these so called experts are bashing our draft because guys like Kipper say we reached on some picks. I bet these guys have no idea what our draft was all about. Some guy named Brian McGovern on Sirius radio very casually said we "whiffed" but couldnt elaborate why. Nothing. Said we could’ve got Brewster in the 5th. Big effin deal. Nice homework dude. This draft should make us better and deeper. Period! If these guys would take some time to look a little deeper, the might learn something

by fretman on Apr 30, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good Post

Great points made

I thank God everyday i wasnt born a Eagles fan!!!!!!

by regaberto on Apr 29, 2009 2:00 PM CDT reply actions  

That is some Grade A justification there... (tip of the cap)

The front office must love fans like you, and I dig the level with which you’ve talked yourself into those picks.

But come on now… That was an awful draft.

by JimmyK on Apr 29, 2009 2:45 PM CDT reply actions  

meredith

i’ve followed the gamecocks for the last 15 or so years. meredith was not much of a prospect,imo. the running game at sc has been crappy for a while. even while meredith was there. he may have the measurables but that’s it. he couldn’t pass block but he made up for it by not run blocking either. i am a big gamecocks fan and i wouldn’t have drafted anyone from that offensive line. last year the offensive line is the main reason garcia started a few games at qb. garcia has more mobility. line couldn’t block anyone including meredith. i never heard spurrier exclude meredith. i would be very surprised if meredith was ever a starter in nfl.

by maxdout on Apr 29, 2009 5:22 PM CDT reply actions  

thanks for that input max....I had researched Meredith heavily...and knew of his difficiencies, but I never expected him to drop down as far as he did...

I will say this…I am disappointed in the lack of attention put forth towards revamping the reserve OL canidates…sure, from much I read, Brewster may one day occupy the LG spot…wonderful, although it will be a complete positional change from what he’s played for the past several seasons at RT………If I wanted a OG….I usually…look for an OG……..better yet, a L OG…….but I’ll copncede to our scouts who obviously saw something in him, as out of the 100’s of prospects I reviewed extensively, HE was NOT one of the many OT prospects I felt were impactful and early draft worthy (first 4 rounds)….not to say I overlooked him, or undervalued him, but I never even considered drafting him……..I had posted a while back that if Dallas was going to draft any OL prospect at all, they better do it in the top 4 rounds, and preferably before the end of round 3….well, they stayed true to course and my wish, they just didn’t draft the guy I had in mind…oh well….out of all the questionable decisions Jerry made on draft weekend, this one still bothers me the most.

I hope he turns out to be a Andre Gurode, or a Flozell Adams, but I’m thinking Jacob Rodgers, and James Martin right now…..

EVEN MORE SO….is my disappointment in Dallas not aggressively obtaining the top undrafted talent that was available out there…..It’s one thing to draft a questionable OL prospect in the 3rd, but there were several highly skilled, and rated OL prospects that went undrafted, and were scooped up within seconds of the draft ending….

 You mean to tell me there aren’t several tens of hundreds of undrafted talented guys that would love an opportunity to play for the Dallas Cowboys out there ? especially the OL talent who were probably well aware (as we are) in our very weak, and feable OL reserve depth, you don’t think that they wouldn’t have had a possible preference of trying to make it here, as opposed to several flunky teams that picked up great talent after the draft…..i mean c’ mon…..you think our draft was bad…..take a look at our urfa signings….terrible class..( I will say I like Ogletree, and I can’t say QB-Carpenter sucks…but.) but damn….the rest is the who’s who in who…as in….c’mon….I will say this…they all project out at LG….so now we have about 8 guys vying for that back up OG spot….hope one turns out worthy….

OL Bright , Turkovich, and Isdaner are all slow as malases, have several technique flaws, and from what I know of them, really don’t stand a chance of making this team….ugh….OL- Gerald Cadogan, OL-Joel Bell, OT-Jason Watkins, OT- Corny Lewis, and Alex Boone to name a few that assuredly were rated higher, project to be better than the stiffs we brought in as camp fodder……..

 .I don’t even wanna get into the other positional players that were available for our chosing if we actually were prepared properly ( NT-Chris Baker, DE-Pedescleaux, etc, etc, etc,) and if we had staff doing dilligent work in obtaining the top rated undrafted talent, like as soon as the draft ended…calling these agents on speed dial….geeeez……

I’m really starting to think Jerry doesn’t devote enough money, personel, and resources to the whole scouting /personel department…It’s quite obvious……out of all the “pro day” reports, private workouts, etc, etc, etc reports that I scour the internet daily for, ,…..seldom, or nearly ever did I hear about the Cowboys having representatives there………nowhere did I get this info…I’d sure love to know what prospects were actually visited by the scouting staff over all this evaluation proccess…granted, not all scouts are going to become public knowledge, and may just have been left out of the reports I’ve read…but the media heads that cover all this, (including small time town papers , usually announce the scouts and the teams that were represented at these workouts and pro days….The whole time( over the past 4 months, I hardly ever hear of any Cowboy reps in attendance…..ahhhh…..let’s hope for the best….

by My_2_Cents on Apr 29, 2009 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think that even when they were recruiting UFAs....

They were still using the same prospect molds that they used during the whole Draft, we want though football players that love the game, with great work ethic, good motor and that have leadership qualities and no character red flags.

I know that Cadogan, Boone and Baker don’t fit those profiles.

Viva México! Go Cowboys!

by Chandus on Apr 30, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not a fan of Boone, as it is...just mentioned him because he was 4th-6th round material...although I think he sucks...

as far as Cadogan….don’t know much of his personal life or lack of motivation.., just know he was also 3rd-5th type talent…as far as Baker, also a 3rd-5th talent……he’s got a damaged image to mend, and that hurt him……..but i would have been willing to bring him in for a lousy $20,000 signing bonus to see what he brings….Denver had no problem signing him within minutes of the drafts ending….

by My_2_Cents on Apr 30, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Boone and Cadogan weren't 3rd-5th Round talents

They went undrafted, they might have been rated higher by analysts and people that believe the hype. Saying that someone had x round talent and went undrafted is one of those things that I’ve never understood… It’s obvius that the NFL didn’t agreed…

And about Baker, I just don’t believe that it was only a damaged image red flag. In 2007 the Broncos drafted Marcus Thomas in the 4th, a guy with a seriously damaged image, just because they liked what they saw on film and decided to take a flyer. No team in the League wanted to invest a draft pick on Baker. That tells me a lot on the guy.

Viva México! Go Cowboys!

by Chandus on Apr 30, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

I personally didn't view them as 3rd-6th rounders.....the supposed "experts" did.......

Boone wouldn’t even have been on my draft board, and I wouldn’t have taken a flier on either Baker or Cadogan untill after round 5…

by My_2_Cents on May 1, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's not exactly true though

Just because they didn’t get drafted didn’t mean that a team didn’t have them rated as worth a pick in a certain round. Examples like Witten and Romo. Romo had a 5th round grade on him and Witten had a 1st round grade on him. They didn’t get drafted by the Cowboys in those rounds but it doesn’t change the grade. It just didn’t work out because they had someone rated higher at those spots that they liked more.

You can do a lot of things in life. You can't stab a teammate with a pair of scissors. - Kevin Smith

by kameleon_o on May 3, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, Romo wasn't drafted in the 2nd day....

Because his phone died and teams didn’t had another way to contact him, at the end of the draft one of his friends went to his house to tell him that his phone was dead and Romo inmediately contacted his agent.

As soon as was posible, Dallas was on the phone with Romo, the rest is history.

And about Witten, he had a 1st Round grade with Dallas? I know that the front office has walked up and said such a thing, but how can you make such a case when they rated Al Johnson, a 2nd Round talent Center, ahead of him? Logic says, if you have 1st Round rated talent in the 2nd, it’s a no brainer. I don’t think that the front office is being totally honest in this case, I think that they’re doing some self promotion.

Viva México! Go Cowboys!

by Chandus on May 4, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

You don't not draft a guy because his phone is dead.

You just draft him and tell him later. Guys with draftable grades go undrafted all the time. Hell, look at Miles Austin. I remember the year he went undrafted. Mel Kiper had him rated as his #6 ranked WR I believe.

As for Witten, most draft rankings I saw at the time had him ranked as the #1 TE in the country. From what I remember, the Cowboys had Johnson ranked as a 1st rounder at a position that they needed more than TE. They went with him and then were surprised as hell that Witten was still there in the 3rd round.

Then there’s Scandrick. I forgot about him. They had him rated as a 3rd rounder but he went in the 5th. It just happens.

You can do a lot of things in life. You can't stab a teammate with a pair of scissors. - Kevin Smith

by kameleon_o on May 4, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

thats not true

Teams will never draft a player unless they can talk to him right before they draft them or at least see them on TV.

The reason being is because the player could have just got into an accident or even killed.

Teams just don’t draft players and tell them later. If Romo had a operable cell phone, he would have been drafted and not be a Cowboy right now.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on May 9, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Really??

Absolutely, positively never in the history of the draft has someone been drafted that the team didn’t talk to the guy on the phone before they picked them??

Anyway, it’s really besides the point. My point was that guys who are draftable go undrafted all the time. And guys that may have high draft grades slip to later rounds. It does happen and it seems quite often.

You can do a lot of things in life. You can't stab a teammate with a pair of scissors. - Kevin Smith

by kameleon_o on May 10, 2009 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

maybe very late rounders

but absolutely yes to early to mid rd guys. Teams aren’t going to waste a valuable pick on a player who just sustained a career threatening injury or worse.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on May 11, 2009 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

I emailed Rick Gosselin about it. Here's our exchange:
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Usually there’s contact a couple picks before. Not Jones calling but one of the underlings. In fact, a player might hear from 2-3 teams that he’s going to be their pick when they go on the clock. Most players supply a second contact number. I know when the Cowboys drafted A&M CB Kevin Smith, he told them the other teams that had called him and that was how Jimmy Johnson knew he had to trade up to get him at 17. If a guy doesn‘t answer the phone, the team will call the agent – just to make sure he hasn’t broken a leg in the last 24 hours.

 

 

 

From: kameleon_o@*****.com [mailto:kameleon_o@******.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 10:16 PM
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Subject: Draft Phone Calls

 

Hey Rick. Long time no email. I was wondering if you could settle an argument I’m having with someone else about draft day phone calls. Since you know more about the draft than just about anyone I thought I’d ask you. I know that teams usually call the player they’re about to draft right before they turn the pick in but do they ALWAYS get through to the guy?? If the Cowboys had not been able to get Jason Williams on the phone would they have not drafted him?? I can certainly understand wanting to talk to the guy before you draft him but I can’t understand letting someone you have highly rated slip on by because he didn’t answer his phone. Just curious what you know about this process. Thanks Rick. Patrick

You can do a lot of things in life. You can't stab a teammate with a pair of scissors. - Kevin Smith

by kameleon_o on May 11, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's funny

We passed on Romo because he wasn’t in our Fab Five.

;-)

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on May 11, 2009 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great Post

That was a great post, and not just because I agree with your logic and conclusions.

I hope you have the time and ambition to put up fanposts more frequently.

by Cowboy Louie on Apr 29, 2009 8:17 PM CDT reply actions  

I used to be a lot more active

Under the usernames BudLight (Play on words,don’t ask) and Or Moyal (My name). I settled on this moniker, and coincidentally I’ve become a lot busier lately. I still read everything on BTB, but I don’t have the time to do many extensive, 1500-word roster rundowns anymore :(.

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by Conjunction on Apr 29, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Love the Colbert quote

He’s a genius, he’s catapulted Stewart on the comedy ladder, IMO.

Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.

by APerfectStar on May 2, 2009 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well Said

You are probably right. Dallas did reach on many of their picks. After missing Unger and Gilbert they may have thought. There’s our guy lets take him. Jerry did promise some changes. Well he didn’t lie. You have to do your homework, but this is not a bad draft.

by oldboysfan on Apr 29, 2009 8:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Damn good post

I for one am really stoked on the two pass rushers we picked up, and also the more I read up on Jason Williams and the DBs we picked up, the more I love this draft. Stephen McGee was a good call, too.

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by the red scare on Apr 29, 2009 8:23 PM CDT reply actions  

What do I know?

While I follow the draft closely, I freely admit that my knowledge of players pales in comparison to the Cowboys scouts. I do like to watch how my personal picks compare to what we actually did over time. For example, James Marten (and Stanback I think) vs. Josh Wilson, Bobby Carpenter vs. Manny Lawson and Felix Jones vs. Chris Johnson.

This year will be William Beatty vs. Jason Williams/Victor Butler and DeAngelo Smith vs. Victor Macho Harris. Having NFC East rivals grab the guys I wanted made it hurt even more.

I would’ve liked to see us go after some top tier o-linemen, either trading up for Unger or grabbing Beatty. On the other hand, I do like some of the picks we made, it seems like we have a lot of talented players coming in the door. Our pass rush should be fun to watch and maybe just maybe we finally have some secondary depth.

Only time will tell.

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by cowboysuberfan on Apr 29, 2009 11:42 PM CDT reply actions  

All this reminds me of 2006...

the last year when the Eagles were getting A+ grades from most draftniks and pundits. They caught a bunch of “sliding” players that year as well—Broderick Bunkley in the 1st, Winston Justice in the 2nd, Chris Gocong in the 3rd, Max Jean-Gilles in the 4th, plus a handful of late picks including Olympic darling Jeremy Bloom in the 5th. Eagles fans were rejoicing over “stealing” a top 5 talent in Bunkley at 14 and another top 20 guy in Justice at 39. And Cowboy draftniks were moaning over Dallas passing on a future-star guard with the size and speed of Jean-Gilles to draft unknown Jason Hatcher in the 3rd.

Gocong is now a decent player, and Bunkley is a key rotation guy in the D-line, but they’re hardly Pro Bowlers. But Justice sucks (just ask Osi’s 6-sack game) and Jean-Gilles only got on the field last year due to Shawn Andrew’s injury. Bloom, of course, is out of the league. Grade that draft now, and you’d give them a C at best for getting one and a half starters and two contributors (J-G and WR Jason Avant).

Bottom line – there are good reasons that players slide in the draft. Maclin was available at 19 because no team before then thought that highly of him. McCoy wasn’t a first-round talent, no matter how many mocks had him up there, because he lasted all the way to 53. Give the Eagles credit for picking guys with great potential at positions of need, and for giving their fan base hope with name-recognition picks, but there are few true “steals” in the draft. Some gambles pay off, and a handful of guys are “reaches,” but most guys go pretty close to where their value is.

Of course, the Cowboys pretty much get an F for the 2006 draft, so let’s not take the comparison too deep…

by greatwhitenorth on Apr 30, 2009 2:22 PM CDT reply actions  

the draft is a crapshoot any way you look at it

There is absolutely nothing scientific about it because no scout can really be certain how a college kid is going to project to the next level. It’s simply all guess work, nothing more, nothing less.

If you hit on half of your draft class, you did an outstanding job, but unfortunately you won’t know that until 2 or 3 years down the road.

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by Terry on Apr 30, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

to me it was never about who we picked...

I know that there are some quality players we drafted, but we drafted too many. We could have packaged 2 or three of our 11(later on twevle) picks to have moved up earlier in the second and taken a guy like Ron Brace. We still would have 8 other picks to improve special teams, and add depth.

My other issue was WHEN we drafted some of these guys. Williams in the third ok, but Brewster in the third? Even he didn’t think he’d be drafted before the 6th round…what gives? Buehler,…Buehler…, well I like the pick, but in the 5th round…really? with only 3 kickers taken in the entire draft, and one of those being Mr. Irrelevent don’t you think we could have waiting until at least the 6th?

After reflection, and my “Worst Draft ever” tirade I feel better, I needed to get it out. It wasn’t a great draft, and I doubt more than three of these wonderful wonderful people will be on the roster in 2010. It seems an awful waste of time to find three guys among 12 picks.

Final draft grade upon reflection C-/D+; there could have been far more value for the pick that what we achieved.

If special teams is improved the grade good go as high as C+, but for now…ick.

by SmittyCityMo on Apr 30, 2009 3:07 PM CDT reply actions  

To move up to get a guy like Ron Brace...

you have to have someone to trade with you.

Who knows?

Maybe they were trying to move up, but even then, how would they have known that the Patriots have wanted them.

You only think three people will be on the roster?

You think all the backups are that good, or that all the rookies are that bad?

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by AirforceBat on Apr 30, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

a combination of factors really....

how many make the roster this year….I’m saying 6. Of those only three will make any real contributions on the field. It’s not as if our back-ups are great or these guys suck…there’s just too friggin many of them. It’s unrealistic to think that 9 or ten make the team, we’d be relying on these (in my opinion) not NFL ready players to hold critical positions. Then factor in next years draft, I see it being very deep and these guys who seemed so neccessary this year will be just not good enough when next years crop gets here.

These are hold over guys from a weak draft. I hope some of them work out, and I’m totally wrong, but I’ve seen enough round-ups by now to know that most of these guys won’t be with us in 2010.

by SmittyCityMo on Apr 30, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

On Brewster

check out Gosselin’s Top 100 rankings. Goose had Brewster rated in the early 90’s, meaning quite a few teams must have had him in their top 100. I thought that it was a bit high where we got him, but I really don’t think he would have been around for the 4th round. If they wanted him, they had to get him in the 3rd. I’ve got no problems with that.

by greatwhitenorth on Apr 30, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I talked to Nick...

a guy who personally knows Brewster who talked with him about his being picked in the third, Brewster was shocked(happy). He wasn’t expecting to go before the sixth round because he is still recovering from an injury.

I think that this guy is really pretty good but I have questions about his ability to stay healthy. We needed someone for Flo to groom, but he’s being projected as a guard rather than a tackle.

by SmittyCityMo on Apr 30, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not injury prone

4 year starter.

He played his senior year while injured (knee), but other than that he has a clean slate of health.

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by Chandus on Apr 30, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

he’s probably the worse draftnik out there

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by Terry on May 1, 2009 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good Post

generates lots of discussion.We are like Forrest Gump’s box of chocolates.We won’t know what we got till after the preseason games.

So we didn’t get any of the big names.So what.We can cut any of these guys lose and not
hurt the team.

We didn’t blow our bankroll on a bunch of primadonnas.

I consider what the Jets,Tampa and yes Detroit to be huge gambles.I don’t see those guys as makeing a huge impact for those teams next year and maybe they never will.

For me the beauty of this draft is that we will still have money or players to improve our team through free agency or by trades.

You want to look at bad drafting check out Oakland for the past few years.

by TCB Orange Dino on May 1, 2009 4:43 AM CDT reply actions  

My peace with the draft is...

That it’s in the past and unchangeable! So I just take the Cowboys as they are and hope they address the areas that I’d hoped they did in the draft with someone in free agency or someone surprises from within… So I say “Movin On…”! Let’s go Cowboys…

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by CodeNamedG on May 6, 2009 11:33 PM CDT reply actions  

areas that I’d hoped they would but didn’t*

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by CodeNamedG on May 6, 2009 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Draft was a very good One

5bling, I would like to say that John Mckay saying that is a part of your post is still one of the best lines ever spoken by a coach. Cracks me up!

Now about that draft, I really believe that Jerry didn’t draft a Shante Carver this year and that means we learned a lesson from the post Jimmy days. Dallas is going to be very good this year, but until they do, all I am speaking is my mind and voicing my opinion. Which is all those pundits are doing. I watched NFL Network and they didn’t think Dallas did all that bad. ESPN bores the living crap out me anymore, they are way to smart and way too negative for my tastes.

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by damnarab2 on May 11, 2009 8:58 PM CDT reply actions  

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