The Cowboys Aim to Drain the Stupid Swamp
The stupid. It burns, and it grates, and it chafes, and it frustrates. It makes you snarl at your dog, messes with your sleep and takes the taste out of your coffee.
The 2008 Cowboys were a dumb and undisciplined football team, one which led the league in penalties. Of course, this was not a new problem. Look at the later Parcells years and you'll see a team that ranked among the leaders in penalty yardage.
Early this year I wrote a series of "autopsies" examining the offensive line, the defensive front seven and the special teams, and concluded that serious personnel changes were probably necessary if the team was going to improve, changes which would take a while to incorporate.
Four months into 2009, it is clear the Cowboys have prioritized intelligence. Many disciplinary risks have left. Several penalty kings have also left and others are on thin ice.
We've heard of brain drains, but let's examine the Cowboys' progress at draining the swamp of stupid which has surrounded this team:
Tank Johnson -- He tied for most penalties among defensive linemen, with five. Given that he was a backup, who seemed to show up every other game or three, his departure was a small but real example of addition by subtraction.
Adam Jones -- He made some plays, but he also blew a ton of assignments. He got himself on the suspended list at a time when Terence Newman and Anthony Henry were injured. leaving the team with no veteran cornerback options in the Bucs game. You can't rebuild your secondary with guys this unreliable.
Roy Williams -- The horsecollar penalty was created for him, yet Roy could never stop grabbing collars. His late 4th quarter breakdowns were legendary; one of the enduring images from the past four years is Williams surrending a long pass and then immediately pointing a finger at a teammate.
Pat Watkins -- He's still around, but Dallas drafted two safety prospects and a handful of special team prospects, putting Penalty Pat on notice. Watkins committed a third of the team's special teams penalties last year. Most of them were personal fouls. He took three such flags in the first Eagles game. He made just as many mental errors in the secondary. He took an unbelievable twelve-men-on-the-field flag when he subbed himself in after a time out in the Redskins loss. Watkins assumed Dallas was playing nickel. The Cowboys were in their base. Like Williams, Watkins can't stop bad behavior. For Roy it was horsecollars; for Pat it's grabbing facemasks on punts.
Terrell Owens -- He wasn't a dumb player, or penalty-prone. The team still felt he was disruptive and sent him away.
Some guys are solid starters or rotation guys, and will simply have to clean up their acts. Among them:
Greg Ellis -- He took a high number of off-sides penalties. He's not a starter anymore, so the reduction in downs will hopefully reduce his flags.
Nick Folk -- He's not in any current danger, but he knocked five kickoffs out of bounds last year. Drafting David Buehler should cut this number significantly.
Tony Romo -- His interception percentage was actually lower last year than it was in '07, but Romo's fumbles-lost almost tripled. He needs to take much better care of the football when he leaves the pocket.
Marion Barber -- He never lost a fumble his first three years in the league. Last year, he fumbled more often (seven times) than he did in his '05 through '07 seasons combined. Barber lost three of them.
The offensive line -- Their 33 total penalties was a drop from their '05-'07 penalty rate. That's still a lot of flags. Flozell Adams (13) and Marc Colombo (7) were the most frequent offenders. We're not likely to see a serious dip here until new linemen enter the lineup.
You can't turn over the roster in one spring. The Cowboys have, however, cut several of their most penalty-prone players. That should bring a drop in overall penalties and a more competitive team.
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I can't tell you how many times i yelled these words at the T.V. last year...........
“THAT WAS JUST STUPID”!!!!!!!
Seemed like i was saying it all the time. Great write up Raf.
by TARHEEL PAUL on Apr 30, 2009 10:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I would be willing to bet that Watkins and Ellis could be cut by the end of training camp. We drafted 2 safeties and 2 rush ends and only 1 at each spot has to overachieve and they will be gone. I have to say for being a late round pick Watkins hasn’t been terrible but he’s a backup at best. Ellis had some good years and has been a Cowboy for quite awhile but he is starting to get annoying with his complaining. I think that Folk will become another Vanderjadt type kicker. Someone who is great at kicking FG and XP but sucks at kickoffs. I have no problem with Colombo making some penalties once in awhile because he seems to be the only offensive lineman that shows some fire during the games.
by jack dein on Apr 30, 2009 10:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i agree
Watkins will almost assuredly get cut if any of our new safeties show anything at all. Ellis is less of a sure thing because we would be depending on two fourth round picks to potentially play pretty significant downs this year, and the transition from a collegiate 4-3 DE to a pro 3-4 OLB is one of the hardest ones to make. Now, if the team can get a solid 3-4 OLB with pro experience, then I doubt they will hesitate to cut a guy whose physical skills are clearly slipping, and whose whining skills are only getting stronger.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on Apr 30, 2009 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that Ellis’ future depends on how well Spencer performs also. If Spencer is bad in training camp and maybe even pre season then Ellis probably stays.
by jack dein on Apr 30, 2009 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
to both I think it will take Spencer playing well and either Butler or Williams to play well also
by nicholas.rodriguez on May 1, 2009 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+2
I posted the same thing in a new thread. Spencer needs to step it up, and at least one of the new OLB’s needs to impress, then IMO, Ellis will get cut. But the writing is on the wall.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on May 1, 2009 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
for Ellis to be cut
both Butler and B Williams need to shine in camp and convince the coaches they’re the real deal.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on May 1, 2009 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Regarding Ellis' complaining:
Jerry needs to call up Russ Brandon and ask him if he needs an OLB to complement T.O. on the defensive side of the ball. But since Ellis isn’t quite as disruptive as T.O., he needs to get a 7th rounder for him.
Unlike a Cowboys' season, in life, there may not be a next year.
by Reno Cowboy on May 1, 2009 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And then let Ellis know...
if he doesn’t shape up, he is going to spend the winter in Buffalo.
Unlike a Cowboys' season, in life, there may not be a next year.
by Reno Cowboy on May 1, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta say,
I Think Romo’s fumbles increased because it seemed like the pressure was getting to him a lot more at the end of the year. Either it was because he was injured / tired legs and could not escape like he does earlier in the year, or whether it was secondary to the O Line injury and tired legs. I just know at the end of the year Romo was getting the crap knocked out of him……
Flozell I can forgive his mistakes as long as he is protecting Romo’s blindside well. After all, he is deaf in his R ear, and we knew it when we drafted him. I can accept his jumps. He was playing injured some last year and he was trying to help a horrible proctor. it really affected the above and his jumps.
by cowboyfan on Apr 30, 2009 10:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Partly true.
Then again, as a friend of mine pointed out to me, Romo was fumbling at the slightest of hits last year. Call him “Glass Hands” Romo, if you like. Other QBs — our very own Brad Johnson — didn’t fumble just because they got hit.
I’m not saying Romo fumbles every time, but it’s way too much and many times on hits that shouldn’t result in fumbles. Gotta clean that up.
by Johnny Cage on May 1, 2009 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah he was...
….in that Cardinals game, I tell ya, we’re lucky Romo was only lost for a few games. The way the line was taking the day off, he coulda broken a lot more than a pinky.
by KaceOFbass on May 1, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Last Eagles Game Was A Microcosm Of This Teams Stupidity

by Este on Apr 30, 2009 10:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep, perfect example
btw, that movie sucked so bad
by Burt88 on May 2, 2009 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought that movie was absolutey hilarious
The scene were they eat the hot candy has to be one of the funniest movie scenes of all time.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on May 2, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Left Tackle
I know they’re hard to find. Get a decent one and let False Start Flo walk and we’ll be middle of the pack penalties without doing anything else. It’s not that he has false starts. He has them at times they are just killer. Third and one and the knucklehead forgets the count.
by steelyeyedmissle on Apr 30, 2009 10:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
your LT has to be more than decent
when you have a franchise qb to protect.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on May 1, 2009 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not exactly.
it’s gonna take about four or five or six guys cutting their numbers. Cut Flo and you get about half a dozen fewer penalties.
You still need that type of reduction x 3 or x 4.
by Rafael Vela on Apr 30, 2009 10:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
13 out of 33?!
Crap, I had no idea he was that far ahead of the pack.
by Johnny Cage on May 1, 2009 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hence my signature...
Ignorance is no excuse, it's the real thing.
- Irene Peter
by CounterEMF on Apr 30, 2009 11:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmmmm,
I still think they knew Flo was going to have Offside penalties when they drafted him. That is why he fell out of the early rounds.
by cowboyfan on Apr 30, 2009 11:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep,
Getting this fixed will go a long way towards making us a better team. In that playoff loss to the Giants penalties derailed us there too. Kevin Burnett’s stupid personal foul helping the Giants to a FG, both Flow and Colombo having crucial False Starts in the second half ruining potential scoring drives etc. And all that in a playoff game we lost by 4 points.
by Luke. on Apr 30, 2009 11:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought a critical call in that game was a bad offsides call on DWare. It kept the Giants 1st drive alive and set the tone for the game. But, can’t cry over spilt milk.
by Este on Apr 30, 2009 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish the officials had a clue when it comes to DWare...
About every time they call offsides on the replay he just got a great jump on the ball…. If Flo blocks like he did in 2007 I don’t care if he gets a false start per game… Tank had no excuse, glad he is gone, Watkins will most likely get the boot… Hopefully we cut out penalties alot this year but realistically we will be in the bottom half again this year but if we get to about the 20 spot it could mean we win a few games we wouldn’t have.
by nicholas.rodriguez on May 1, 2009 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
c'mon
he doesn’t walk on water. He has more than his share of idiotic offsides penalties. He’s prone to jump offsides, so if there’s a bang-bang play and an official calls him for it, it’s not the official’s fault, it’s Ware’s… cuz chances are, he’s offsides yet again.
Just because he’s our darling doesn’t mean he’s flawless.
by Joey2zs on May 1, 2009 6:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But in Ware's case it's true
The league had to apologize for 3 incorrect offsides calls on Ware because he was so quick off the ball the officials thought he had to be offsides. Besides, there is nothing wrong with a great pass rusher anticipating the snap every once in a while. Haley did it quite often as well.
I’ll also add, in Flozell’s case, his offsides usually aren’t because of mental error so he can take a pass on those as long as he holds the blindside down for a few more years.
by JimmyJohnson on May 1, 2009 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a thought/suggestion
Wonder if Ware might line up a 1/2 foot behind the LOS rather than right up on it and to notify the official of his intention to do so. Theoretically maybe they’d give him more of the benefit of the doubt in these situations and he’s still fast enough to where that wouldn’t affect his ability to get to the ball carrier/QB.
Not sure if this would make a difference or not, but it’d be one of those “notify the ref” ahead of time to at least put it in their minds.
by Scoobay on May 1, 2009 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's not offsides
he’s just too quick for the ref’s naked eye
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on May 1, 2009 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it's that hard for the refs to get it right....
Offsides should be reviewable.
I do understand that the ref is in a real difficult spot in real time making a snap judgement but that’s still horrible reasoning that it’s somehow Ware’s fault for the zebras’ repeated incompetence because Ware has such an uncanny ability to anticipate the snap count.
The thing that made it even more painful was a week later in those same playoffs KGB was blatantly offsides by a good two yards and got a free shot at Eli but there wasn’t a flag in sight or even a ref reaching for one.
by MadMick on May 1, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he anticipates the snap count
I just think his first step is just so super quick, it just looks offsides because other defenders don’t come off the ball that quick.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on May 1, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Not wearing the blue shades here, but he’s so quick that he’s already a step into the backfield before the OT can even react. You can only tell on the replay though.
I do think that he is both that quick, and can anticipate the snap count.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on May 1, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Work the Refs
Nicolas, You make a good point. I too saw this several times last year.
But in this case I blame the coaches. They should be working the Refs before the game to let them now to keep the hanky in their pocket when it comes to Ware.
This is the treatment Dallas corners that played opposite of Deon use to get. The other teams coach would tell the refs to watch Brown or Smith, because they were always holding. Sure enough they would get some cheap pass interferrence calls, because they had not plans on throwing at Deon. Smith was a All Pro corner before Deon got there and became a pass interferrence magnet when he played opposite of Deon.
Our coaches have to work the refs better before each game.
by I'm a Cowboy Babe on May 1, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kevin Smith was never the same after he shredded his achilles though.
Also, he did have some pretty blatant penalties against speed demons like James Jett.
by MadMick on May 1, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
looking back at this draft
and then at our roster, the only guy we were feasibly close to getting who i really, really wish we had been able to draft is Unger. His versatility would have made him so valuable on this team from a depth perspective. I have talked myself into thinking this draft was okay, but in hindsight, it they could have used a fifth or a sixth to trade up and grab Unger, that would have made a huge difference.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on Apr 30, 2009 11:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I didn't want Unger till
Everyone besides Moore was gone then I wanted him, its too bad we didn’t select him. Its not the end of the world that we didn’t but we mostly wanted to upgrade LG which he could have or Gurode could have moved back there with Unger takin over Center
by nicholas.rodriguez on May 1, 2009 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem with this thought process...
is that Seattle traded up into the 49 slot to pick Unger. So assuming we had perfect knowledge this were to occur, we would have had to trade up to at least the 48th pick, which would cost a mid-5th rounder. In all liklihood, we would not have had perfect knowledge of this and would have had to trade up further than that, possibly losing a 4th rounder.
Second, Unger, while good, would not have started for the Cowboys. He is young, doesn’t know the pass protection schemes and will have to transition, as the Ducks played a spread offense. While I think he will be a good player, he is definately not a sure thing and is probably a couple of years from being able to start.
by BVandy on May 1, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He might not have started
Rookie offensive linemen on championship caliber teams seldom do, but he could certainly have gotten plenty of playing time in relief of Gurode and Kosier. Then, by his second year, there is no doubt in my mind that he would have been starting.
The Cowboys, and the Cowboys.com press corps, can spin this draft any way they they want, but IMHO there was no excuse for trading down with that second round pick. Up, yes. Down, no.
Unlike a Cowboys' season, in life, there may not be a next year.
by Reno Cowboy on May 1, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trading up
should have been the plan. Once Unger started to fall they should have went and got him. He almost fell all the way to us but with each passing pick you really had to expect someone to trade for the pick or the team on the clock to just select him.
My biggest grip with the OL is that they don’t pick up the blitz very well. I know most teams don’t do well against the Pittsburg or Baltimore defense, but I don’t want the Cowboys to be like most teams. IMO the Cowboys need to get a lot smarter in the OL if they are going to do well against the complex blitzing teams. Unger would have made this happen this year or next year. Maybe Brewster will help. But IMO the biggest impact right now would be at center.
The Cowboys really need to run the ball in 2009.
by cowboy1966 on May 1, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One problem...
we as fans too often forget is the money aspect of this game. We are cognizant of contracts, but don’t often take them into consideration when it comes to drafting or signing free agent contracts and how that impacts a franchise’s decisions.
For example, in order to have guaranteed to get Unger, the Cowboys would have had to move up into the end of the first round (say pick 30), as both of the other comparably rated Centers went before this pick (21 & 28). In order to move up to 30 from 51, that probably costs us our 3rd, 4th & 5th round picks. Aside from this, there is a very different pay scale from someone in the middle of the 2nd and the bottom of the 1st. In the 2007 draft, Ben Grubbs (pick #29) signed a 5 year, $8 million contract w/ $5.5 million guaranteed. In contrast, Ryan Kalil (pick #59) signed a 4 year, $3 million w/ $1.5 million guaranteed.
While we as fans don’t find this discrepancy to be much of a big deal, in the real world, this is real money w/ real consequences. This is $4 million guaranteed that a free agent or a proven existing player will not earn to obtain an unproven player.
These are decisions that we as fans don’t have to make. And for the record, Unger was a good collegiate player who will have to learn to transition from a spread offense to a pro-style offense. He is by no means a sure thing, not to mention a surefire starter after his 1st year in the league.
by BVandy on May 2, 2009 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Raf
I always feel a little bit better after reading one of your posts.
by Benthere on May 1, 2009 12:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Raf, Grizz, Vance, Glory
Not sure if you guys have time, but can you give me your thoughts on the Micheal Hamlin draft pick?
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
by Wmillion on May 1, 2009 12:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the team got great value getting Hamlin when they did.
He doesn’t make a ton of mistakes, but he doesn’t make a ton of plays either. I personally don’t think he has much of a chance of beating out Sensabaugh this year. He could probably play well enough to keep Jerry from overpaying Sensabaugh after this season though.
Jerry Jones could go in his sock, slap you wit a stack of hundreds, then catch you again on the backswing wit 3 Super Bowl rings. So who the hell are you makin' fun of?
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on May 1, 2009 6:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thank you sir.
Do you think Dallas should have signed Sensabaugh to a longer deal?
In your opinion how much does Sensabaugh upgrade that safety spot?
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
by Wmillion on May 1, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amen, Sir
Terry will put us on his Death List 5, but amen to that. We’ve seen the unheralded free agent transform into a golden-armed QB, but we haven’t seen the fuzzy-cheeked kid turn into a man. We love Romo when he’s at his fun-loving best, mimicing referees and jumping into Flozell’s arms, but the sobbing pouteybaby who sits on the sidelines with his head down is no longer acceptable. People lead through different philosophies, but they lead nonetheless. Sullen Romo is a boy praying for his coach to sit next to him on the bench, put his arm around him and tell him he’s a special kid. That ain’t happening in the NFL.
by GhostofGaryHogeboom on May 1, 2009 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice impersonation of Tex
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on May 1, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Real men don't cry?
Maybe not, but some HOF QBs certainly do. Look at this photo and let’s see if you still feel that Romo shouldn’t show his emotions.
Unlike a Cowboys' season, in life, there may not be a next year.
by Reno Cowboy on May 1, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Image
Not sure why that image of Y.A. Tittle didn’t come through. Here is the link.
Unlike a Cowboys' season, in life, there may not be a next year.
by Reno Cowboy on May 1, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of the most famous photos of all time in football
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on May 1, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's odd to hear that Colombo had so many penalties.
He has been much better in the past.
Jerry Jones could go in his sock, slap you wit a stack of hundreds, then catch you again on the backswing wit 3 Super Bowl rings. So who the hell are you makin' fun of?
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on May 1, 2009 6:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Lack of discipline
leads to the stupid. When Wade is gone I will not have much to complain about.
by cow_fanatic on May 1, 2009 7:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So Parcells didn't instill discipline?
by Johnny Cage on May 1, 2009 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really
I wasn’t actually comparing Wade to Bill. I’m comparing Wade to every other HC in the NFL that is qualififed to be a HC. So you’re happy with Wade? He’s an embarrassment.
by cow_fanatic on May 1, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Myth: The team with the least penalties wins
Penalties hurt teams. On this, there can be no dispute. But is the significance of penalties overstated? Both teams in almost every game incur penalties. It would be logical to assume that the most penalized team would also be the loser. Or conversely, that the least penalized team would be the winner. But this was not the case, at least for the 2008 Cowboys.
In six of their nine wins, they incurred the most penalties or yards lost because of penalties. In their win over Green Bay, they had just one less penalty (7 vs 8), and in their trouncing of the Seahawks, both teams had 5 penalties. In the final remaining win against the Bucs, they had just two fewer penalties. In almost all of their wins last year, the Boys suffered more penalties than the opposition. So it can be argued that they won in spite of their penalties, or that the issue of penalties is overstated, despite what our pop-warner coaches told us as kids.
A review of the other side of the argument – losses– is slightly different, but the point remains. In three of our seven losses, the Boys actually had the least or equal number of penalties or yards lost. In four of the losses, we were the most penalized. However, in the loss to Pittsburgh, the Pokes were only penalized a meager 24 yards, and in the disaster in Philly, our team actually was only penalized 4 times for 41 yards. Penalties did not decide either of these games.
Lessening penalties is an important goal for every team, for every player. Penalties are frustrating for coaches and fans alike. But their impact is overstated. I’d rather focus on turnovers.
by Boundforbeach on May 1, 2009 7:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It isn't always the number of penalties.
It really has to do with when the penalties are commited. A false start on 1st and 10 hurts but not as bad as a false start on 3 and 1. Roughing the passer doesn’t hurt as much on 1st and 10 from the opponents 10, but it kills your defense when it is 3rd and 10 from the fifty. The penalties that hurt are the “drive killer/extenders” that happen during a game. Those are the penalties that the Pop Warner coaches are adamant about. That is why they want you to focus on commiting no penalties at all. If you don’t commit any penalties you can’t commit a drive killer/extender.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
by GunsUp on May 1, 2009 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Penalties Are Overstated
I looked into the subject decades ago, and commented on this in late March.
Raf’s basic point is sound that stupid play kills a team, but one needs to place that in perspective that taken as a whole, more penalties do not equate to a bad team.
by kindablue on May 1, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ellis had 4 penalties all year
1 holding
3 off-sides
however, he was off-sides 2 other times, but his penalties were declined by the opponents
by BishopWest on May 1, 2009 8:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Flozell Just Bums Me Out
When he’s on his game and playing against someone not super-quick, he’s an elite left tackle. When he’s not concentrating or facing a waterbug defensive end or weakside 3-4 blitzer, he’s a drive killer, pure and simple. And he’s only at the point of decline at his career. The Cowboys need to replace him within 2 years, or he’ll become an extreme liability.
Great write-up, by the way.
by GhostofGaryHogeboom on May 1, 2009 9:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think that's entirely accurate.
Last year he was playing with a bad wing, but the year before that he was owning some of the super quick guys like Trent Cole.
If you’re not healthy in the NFL and you play in the NFC East, guys will get the better of you. This “he’s declining” thing is overblown. Lets see how he plays if healthy all year.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on May 1, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bravo!!!
In this time of political correctness, and coddling the Cowboys, someone had to say it. Bravo Rafael!!!! I’m such a diehard fan of this team sometimes its hard for me to see the truth, let alone speak it. The last ten years have been so darn frustrating that I’m often left disoriented by the sheer stupidity on all fronts. I was giving Romo a pass on the fumbles because he was getting the snot knocked out of him last year, but when whispers started about him not practicing hard I felt like screaming, get your fricken you-know-whats out of the pocket of Jessica’s designer jean pocket and get PISSED OFF!!!! Not only do they need to lose the penalties, but they need to lose this stupid mentality that there is no ONE leader. Everyone police’s each other. WHAT?!?!?!? This team needs the coaches to stop putting up with their lack of intensity, and they need a General on the field to instill some %$#@#$ fire. This team has no heart.
But…in the end, I still love me some Cowboys. Please? Can we finally just get it right?
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now."
--Bruce Coslet
by SB Six on May 1, 2009 9:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
When were there whispers that Romo wasn't practicing hard? I don't remember that.
Go Pacquiao!
by Aaron Novinger on May 1, 2009 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, been away from the computer for awhile.
Yeah, it was going around. You can google it, it’s still out there. Here’s a quote from a story I found.
“According to five sources, several offensive players lost respect for Garrett for his failure to corral quarterback Tony Romo in practice. Romo, sources said, often forced throws in practice and often did not treat practice work consistently. The quarterback’s practice habits were so bad, sources said, that they affected the way he played in games and could have factored into the offense’s problems.”
Yeah, I know, unnamed sources are hard to believe, but this story has been out there for awhile, and comes back around occasionally. It came up shortly after the season ended.
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now."
--Bruce Coslet
by SB Six on May 2, 2009 1:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully he won't be forcing the ball to stubbornly get it to particular players this year.
I’m sooo glad last year is over.
Go Pacquiao!
by Aaron Novinger on May 2, 2009 1:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he was forcing it to Witten in practice....btw.....
and usually “5” different sources has some merit behind it………hopefully he’s on full alert now that two viable replacements are on board..
by My_2_Cents on May 2, 2009 3:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he can force it to Witten when they bbq in the backyard.
His passes up the field and in the middle aren’t what I worry about; it’s on those outs and the hitch & gos up the sideline to Miles and Roy that I want to see improvement on.
Go Pacquiao!
by Aaron Novinger on May 2, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Define viable.
Kitna’s had two good years in his whole career. The rest of his career? More total turnovers than TD passes every other season. Even in his two good years, he still had right around 20 turnovers. So it depends on what you mean by viable. Because you’re certainly not referring to a higher emphasis on ball security when you refer to Kitna as a viable replacement.
by MadMick on May 2, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no kidding
Kitna certainly isn’t a viable candidate and McGee won’t be ready for several more years
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on May 4, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question for you...
Anyone know how many times our defensive penalties extended drives from the opposition? For instance, defense makes the stop, but because of a penalty, the offense stays on the field.
Also, how many times did offensive penalties negate plays that went for first downs?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on May 1, 2009 11:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I've crunched the numbers for you...
I only counted the defensive penalties that extended the drive of the oppositon IF that drive ended with a score, but not in the case where it ended with a punt or turnover.
Here’s the list:
Scandrick – 3rd & 5 @ CLE 42 (1st Q) – illegal use of hands – the pass was incomplete, but because CLE got a first down they continued to drive instead of punt; 14 plays later Anderson to Winslow TD. We still WON the game.
Pacman – 3rd & 3 @ DAL 3 (2nd Q) – pass interference (2 yards / half distance to goal) – incomplete pass may have lead to a FG or CLE could have attempted a touchdown on 4th down? – however, CLE got a first down and 2 plays later Anderson to Winslow TD. This was on the same CLE drive as Scandrick’s penalty. Scandrick MAY HAVE cost us 7 points; Pacman MAY HAVE cost us 4 points. DAL WON the game 28 to 10.
Defense – 3rd & 2 @ DAL 31 (4th Q) – 12 men on the field (who’s fault?) – Portis was tackled by Ware for no gain, but the penalty gave WAS a first down. 7 plays later Suisham kicked a 29 FG. Without the penalty the FG attempt would have been for 48 yards instead of 29 yards. Suisham may have been good from 48, too, I don’t know? There’s an argument that this penalty COULD HAVE lost the game because we only lost by 2; WAS 26 – DAL 24
Ellis – 3rd & 2 @ DAL 2 (1st Q) – defensive holding – the pass was incomplete, setting up 4th down at the 2, perhaps STL goes for the FG or TD on 4th?, but instead they got a first down on the 1 yard line and score a TD the next play, going up 21 to 7. We LOST the game by 20; STL 34 – DAL 14
Ware – 3rd & 4 @ DAL 46 (1st Q) – offsides – Dunn had been stopped for a 1 yard gain by James, setting up a punt, but the penalty by Ware gave TB a first down at DAL 41. Six plays later Bryant kicked a 36 yard FG and TB went up 6 to 0. DAL won the game by 4. DAL 13 – TB 9.
Ware – 3rd & 3 @ BAL 36 (1st Q) – offsides – the play was an INC pass, setting up 4th & 3 and a punt. After the penalty, BAL had 1st down on their 41. Nine plays later Stover kicked 26 yard FG for a score of BAL 3 DAL 7. One of those 9 plays was a penalty on K. Davis of pass interference for 21 yards giving BAL the ball at the DAL 8. The defense held for 3 plays (thanks to James, Spears, and Newman) and BAL kicked the FG. Final Score: BAL 33 – DAL 24
Newman – 3rd & 9 @ DAL 13 (2nd Q) – late hit – gave PHI the ball at the 1 yard line. Next play was a TD and PHI goes up 24 to 3. Final Score: I’m trying to forget this game, look it up yourself :)
It is a little easier to see a 3rd down penalty costing your team points if it helps to sustain the opponent’s drive, but a 1st or 2nd down penalty that robs you of yardage and momentum and forces you to punt actually does the same injustice.
What about Offensive penalties that ended our drive and cost us points?
I couldn’t find any offensive penalty that you could actually say cost us points, except maybe this one….
Bennett – 4th & 1 @ STL 24 (3rd Q) – false start – the DAL offense was in run formation to attempt to gain a first down on 4th and 1. After Bennett was penalized for false start, we had 4th & 6 from the 29. Folk’s 46 yard FG attempt was wide right. We don’t really know what would have happened if Bennett had not drawn the penalty? We could have got a first down. If stopped for no gain, the FG attempt would have been 41 yards. We lost the game by 20 points anyway.
by BishopWest on May 1, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has Phillips seen this?
Unlike a Cowboys' season, in life, there may not be a next year.
by Reno Cowboy on May 1, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Nice job Bishop
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on May 1, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, but...
….don’t say that too loudly….
a few guys on this blog think that I’m being MISLEADING when I do a little research
by BishopWest on May 1, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't worry about that Bishop,
I’d say most of us think you do great work.
by Luke. on May 1, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know WHO you're talking about.
But I don’t particularly agree.
I know that people can bend statistics sometimes to justify backing up their stances, but I think your stuff is quite legit and I like your posts. I don’t always necessarily agree with them, but I like them anyways.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on May 1, 2009 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That should have been...
“agree with all of them” because I do agree quite a bit.. just not all the time.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on May 1, 2009 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's fair enough
i don’t think i agree with anyone ALL the time, nor do I expect it from others
by BishopWest on May 1, 2009 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
I definitly respect your posts. I feel like you project your thoughts as opinions and not cold hard facts, unlike some of the board divas.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on May 1, 2009 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you don't mind me asking
are you active airforce? retired?
by BishopWest on May 1, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
Active but sooooooon seperating.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on May 1, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
cool
i’ve got a lot of respect for all of our military personnel
Salute – to you, Sir
by BishopWest on May 1, 2009 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gracias
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on May 1, 2009 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
separating? ... not retiring? ... How many years?
by GalTex on May 2, 2009 7:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah not retiring
I’m only 26 years old. I enjoyed the military, but I’m ready to get out.
Now if I stayed in, I would pretty much have to stay for 20.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on May 2, 2009 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, once you break 10 yrs, it only makes sense to collect that retirement.
I got out at 9.5 yrs and joined the ANG. I’ve seen 5 different career fields; what do you do?
by GalTex on May 2, 2009 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a major in human resources.
While I’m still in the AF for a couple more months as a ground radar technician, currently a deployment manager, I have a job lined up as a human resource mananger for a Pepsi distribution plant in MI.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on May 2, 2009 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cool and good luck to you.
I always admire anyone that has served our country and my hat is off to you. Thanks for your sacrifice.
by texstar on May 2, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent, but we hate to lose you to Lion Country.
I was a 2E1 (sat/wide comm) at my guard unit and a 1C5 (air defense) active duty, among others. Looks like your deployment mgmt skills will come in handy. Best of luck to you and … Thanks for being on our team.
by GalTex on May 2, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great info, Bishop--brought back some bad memories though.
Go Pacquiao!
by Aaron Novinger on May 1, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice article
Before every game I would say “I hope this is just a good, clean game”. And every time it would be terrible. Even when we would win, it was still a sloppy game full of penalties and missed opportunities. I hope that changes this year.
by DoomsdayD75 on May 1, 2009 1:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget Tony Curtis
Blew his assignment in Arizona and the punt was blocked. He wasn’t resigned.
by Troy H on May 1, 2009 1:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That was a big one
Cost us a game and McBriar.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on May 1, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It may take more
to heal the stupid. But like hitting the bull in the azz with a snow shovel it starts with getting their attention. I think you will see a little more focus this year. Jerry and Wade may have their attention. Good article.
On a different subject. If anyone is still feeling down from last weekend, thebigham has a few classic cowboy videos on the fanshots that will surely cheer you up.
by oldboysfan on May 1, 2009 7:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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