Martellus Bennett: Too Good to Stick Around Long?
The Dallas Cowboys have a pair of immensely talented players at the tight end position. Jason Witten is the best tight end in football, and will someday find himself in Canton barring catastrophic injury. Martellus Bennett may be the most physically gifted tight end in the game, and is an emerging star. While having such a wealth of talent at one position may be a luxury now, it may prove to be a problem in the near future. How long can we realistically expect Martellus Bennett to sit quietly behind Jason Witten? Another year? Another two years? Then what? Jason Witten isn’t going anywhere. He is signed through 2012, so Bennett has to know that his turn will never come in Dallas. This might be a different situation if Witten were 36, but he is 26. Sure, the Cowboys can employ more double-tight end sets and get Bennett more involved. But why should Bennett settle for 35-40 receptions every year, when he has to know he is capable of being one of the best in the game elsewhere?
I’m not sure that Cowboy fans know what they have in Martellus Bennett. This is not a backup tight end we have on our hands. Martellus Bennett is a star waiting to explode. His physical tools are unmatched by any other player at the position. Yes, I said any other player at the position. Kellen Winslow, II may be close. Yeah, Antonio Gates was an okay basketball player in college, but Martellus Bennett received a 2nd round grade from the NBA’s draft advisory board out of high school. In addition to his great physical attributes, Bennett has very natural hands, and seems to take pride in his blocking. Bennett is also ridiculous after the catch.
Take off your HBO Hard Knocks glasses for a second here. Let’s say Jason Witten had gone down for the season at some point during last season’s training camp. Being a rookie, inexperience and immaturity and all, do you think Bennett would have caught any less than 55-60 balls in a first full season as a starter? That sounds like a legitimate NFL starter to me.
Before I get tarred and feathered, or burned at the stake, let me clarify. I am not in any way suggesting that the Cowboys part ways with the best tight end in football, Jason Witten. What I am saying is that I think Martellus Bennett will be a top 5-10 tight end himself. If he continues to improve, Martellus Bennett would be completely justified in asking out of Dallas after this season or the next. You only get one NFL career, and if you are a stud, you should not have to spend it playing second fiddle to anyone. It’s all peachy now, but don’t be shocked if we have an ugly situation on our hands in the near future.
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Great write up...
but I think his maturity will stop him from reaching his full potential.
by MdFan24 on Apr 5, 2009 11:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He's 22
I don’t expect him to be Peyton Manning just yet.
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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Apr 5, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again...
…I think it’s FAR too early to be making predictions like that.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Apr 5, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
trade???
why not trade the immature t.e. 4 def……………
by whynotrade on Apr 5, 2009 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trade value not high enough
Unfortunately he wasn’t painted in a positive light on HBO’s Hard Knocks and the recent youtube incident has further damaged the kid’s rep. I agree he has a ton of talent, but until the perception changes on him, his trade value does not justify actually trading away the talent.
If we are stacked at a position, I am all for making the trade. But right now, we could get way more for Witten than for Bennett…and F trading Witten.
Let Bennett show his talent again this year and then we might get some value for the kid or maybe we can keep two top tight ends…could lengthen both the guys careers…I hope he does not try to force his way out just because we have Witten.
Another thing I like about this artcle is that it proves a point that I like….that we do not need T.O…this roster has a ton of talent in the passing game…Witten, Bennett, R. Williams, and the younger WR’s….. I like T.O. as a player but nobody can dispute he is a divisive figure…and Dallas needs to be a more disciplined team.
If we are going to trade anything..I’d say let’s trade Wade and Garrett. Those two jokesters aren’t going to get any respect from this team. What would you trade you ask…..I’d take a case of Pabst Blue Ribbon for those jackarces.
by tb0n3 on Apr 6, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Garrett will...
From what’s coming out, he’s being quite the hardass.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 6, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also........
I understand our other TE isbeing compared to Gates.He must be good if we cut Tony Curtis and kept him.Anyone forsee a three tightend set in the red zone?
by TCB Orange Dino on Apr 5, 2009 11:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
anointing oil...
What has he done? I don’t think he has established himself as anything but a work in progress…
Let’s see a couple productive years first.
by dndvalles on Apr 5, 2009 11:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Slow down on Bennett
One season, 20 catches and $23,000 fine.
And you are annointing him the most physically gifted TE in the NFL?
He has potential. But he also has the mind of a 4 year old.
So I think any other teams in the NFL looking at him are asking themselves if his 4 year old mind would be able to handle being a #1 TE in this league.
The kid already put his brains on display with that stupid Youtube video. That was when no one even knew who he was. He also called out Carpenter on a public broadcast.
Now he’s got a blog in the DMN.
Can you imagine the publicity he would be getting in a big city market where he was the #1 TE who was putting up ‘Witten Like’ numbers every week?
I think he would last about a month before he said or did something so stupid he would turn into the ‘misunderstood’ player very team seems to have these days.
Half of the NFL is mental. Do we even know what his rate of errors were last season? Do we know how many blocking assignments he missed? Do we know how many times he missed a blitz read on his option route?
Do we know if he even knew who he was supposed to block on special teams?
I see the potential in him just like you do.
But writing him up as if he’s the next Shannon Sharpe is just going to far IMO.
Go Cowboys!
by DCFanatic on Apr 5, 2009 12:03 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Shannon Sharpe is a good example...
…to prove the point that physical talent is just a small component of what makes a great NFL player, and that Martellus’ physical tools don’t guarantee him anything. Vernon Davis is certainly more physically talented than Sharpe was, and Sharpe was not the fastest TE in the league at any point in his career, but he’s one of the best TEs of all time, because of all the other things that factor into NFL success outside of just physical ability.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Apr 5, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah really....He isn't close to being the most gifted TE IMO......putting the Cart before the Horse here....
If he is that good than I would expect him to replace Witten after the 2012 season, but as it stands right now that aint happening.
by Boyzfan94 on Apr 5, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where does the "most gifted TE" come from - his agent?
Every year several TEs get drafted first day. They’re all too big for a DB, too fast for a LB, but there’s only one Gates, one Gonzo and one Witten. Those three are the elite. Marty B has a long way to go to get to that level.
Now if Witten still looks good when Bennett’s contract runs out, will somebody offer Bennett, the Canty Cash – most likely. Will Jerry find a quality replacement – absolutely.
by birdness on Apr 6, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glory, I agree with your premise, but...
Tellus has shown flashes of brilliance and a whole lot of stupidity. He is a kid in a man’s still growing body, with the maturity level of, perhaps Beavis on a good day. I say that with all due respect to his abilities and I agree he has great potential. To quote the great Winston Wolf from Pulp Fiction, Lets not start sucking each other’s d**** just yet. Hard Knocks was not kind to him, granted. Since then, he has had the Youtube rap incident, fines, etc. I hope Coach Garrett has that saddle still strapped to his back and continues to ride him every second of every day. Potential is another way of saying you aren’t there yet. Grab some pine and continue to learn. He may be a second year player, still a rook in my eyes. Definitely from a maturity standpoint. He COULD be great. He is not. Not yet. The NFL is littered with coulda shoulda woulda that didn’t make it.
by cowboymikemc on Apr 5, 2009 12:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Carls point is justified....
In that he is talking about the sure natural talent that MartyB brings. it didn’ take us all season to see the potential of Felix Jones, or for that matter Jason Witten when he came on the scene.
Correct me if I’m wrong but the point of the article is that he is no Tony Curtis who will sit around as the #2/3 for 5 or 6 years until he is eventually cut. MartyB with another season or 2 under his belt could easily push for the #1 spot on any given roster with the exception of maybe 3 teams. He is a gifted athlete and if he can some how manage to stay out of his own way will demand starters money from some team.
Sure maturity is an issue NOW… but at 22 the fact that he can find the practice facility on his own is an accomplishment. Kids coming into the NFL have very little sense of loyalty they never known the NFL before the salary cap and free agency. So they are looking at it more like a business more so then some of the veterans. They are more willing to move to where the money is then they are to stay with a team just based on loyalty alone.
So I think Carl has a valid point, if he continues to improve i think the only thing that will keep him in Dallas is the prospect of winning a Superbowl.
Semper Fi.
by UnNecessary Roughness on Apr 5, 2009 12:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
by kameleon_o on Apr 5, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be a good problem if we have two top 5 TEs
NFL teams OWN the rights on players. It is part of the NFL deal, the owners have made a league that 20 year olds can make millions, but those 20 year olds do not have much say in where they play for the first five years or so.
He is under rookie contract, he will then be a restricted free agent and then he can walk to a big contract. Think Michael Turner, while it might not be “fair” that he had to play second fiddle to LT for two years after it became clear that he was a stud, that was his life.
If he becomes a stud fast the Glory gets props for seeing it first.
by Trey, on Apr 5, 2009 12:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Rookie contract pays the same.
Whether you need shades for the bright lights or tweezers to pull splinters out of your butt.
by birdness on Apr 6, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carl's nailed this one.
The talent here is without doubt. The maturity level may or may not in time. He is definately a free spirit which will not be reigned in easily. I can see him being used as another wr, to get him on the field more. Will his personality allow him to settle for this bone. I doubt it. Jerry will have trade bait going forward.
by oldboysfan on Apr 5, 2009 12:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
As airforcebat would say
Sometimes he has a major case of " DUMB-ASS".
by oldboysfan on Apr 5, 2009 12:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
True true
But I do love me some Marty B.
I don’t care if he did play for a school who overvalues their program more than anyone else in the country.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 5, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not like MartyB didn’t produce year one, his stats were very good for a rookie TE that played behind the best TE in the game…Did anyone see anything out of Fred Davis this year? I surely didn’t.
Everyone wants to call this guy immature, but he works hard, improves his game, takes pride in blocking not just the flashy receiving aspect, and has fun while doing it…So what he’s not like Jason Witten, he’s his own guy and I’ll accept him for what he is, let me know once he starts getting arressted for doing coke or failing drug test then I’ll care.
Until then, nobody has a reason to gripe…When he was dropping all those passes early on everyone was calling him a bust, and all he has done is get better since then…I competely agree with the thread that eventually it’s going to be a problem, I don’t see any scenario where Bennett will end up re-signing with us.
It’s not a stretch to say he is the most physically gifted TE, it’s pretty easy to see when you look at a guy his size move so quickly that used to be a basketball star as well, he’s got the physical aspect down and had he been used better at A&M he would of been a top 15 pick.
by LonghornsLegend on Apr 5, 2009 12:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Having great talent on the team anywhere gives a team options.
Maybe when his contract is up Witten will be breaking down. This can be used as leverage when trying to resign Witten. If resigning Witten is to costly, resign Bennett and let Witten walk.
If Bennet is going to walk, franchise him. The tag for TE’s isn’t reasonable and then the team gets something back in a trade.
As far as his attitude, it’s really not that bad. He’s not a thug, he works hard and performs well on Sundays. Nuff said.
by T. on Apr 5, 2009 12:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
Witten is a stud and he is only 26 but he has already put quite a few miles on his body. If Tellus turns out to be the freak Glory thinks he will be, maybe he becomes the #1 TE in 2012 and Witten becomes #2. He will be entering his 7th NFL season this year and I doubt he will end up playing another 10 years.
Who knows but having too much talent at one position is a problem I’ll take any day.
by Billito on Apr 5, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mercy....
…no offense but I hope I never hear “let Witten walk” again in my life in any context.
by KaceOFbass on Apr 5, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
in 2012 Witten will still only be 29 and will still have more years in the tank, If Tellus ever has a problem then trade him.
by nicholas.rodriguez on Apr 5, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
Witten has proved it on the field. It’s great that Bennett has shown some athletic ability, but if both remain healthy I can see Bennett leaving in FA if he isn’t traded. Assuming he continues improving.
In the meantime it’s great to have 2 TE’s that are legit weapons on offense. I just hope the Cowboys take full advantage as long as they have both of them. How many teams don’t have even one decent TE?
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Apr 5, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This seems wildly premature on a number of counts
1) It is entirely possible to have two of the NFL’s top 10 tight ends on one team for a number of years. The Colts did it with Dallas Clark and Marcus Pollard for a few seasons. So I don’t see why Bennett would feel compelled to leave or grouse anytime soon. Especially because…
2) HE HAS PLAYED PRECISELY ONE YEAR OF NFL FOOTBALL. The praise of Bennett as a potential top five TE just seems very very early to me. I agree he’s a talented athlete, although I don’t think being a projected NBA pick means he’s a better overall athlete than, say, Tony Gonzalez or some others— Bennett has some great physical tools that others do not (leaping ability, speed, etc.), and he probably lacks some that Gonzalez and Witten and others have (strength, solid foundation for blocking, etc.). But he’s turned in nothing more than a pretty decent rookie season at this point. At this point in his career, Jeremy Shockey was miles ahead of Bennett, and I think we saw with him that it’s very possible to never really live up to that early potential. Many other things come into play— work ethic, injuries, understanding of the game beyond just physical ability, route running, blocking, etc.
3) Speculation that he would be justified in “asking out” seems a bit early as well. I understand we’re just batting ideas around here, but most players would be glad to be able to learn at the side of the NFL’s best player at their position, and to benefit from a top 5 NFL offense with a good coordinator and a very good QB. It just seems like we’re trying to see fire where there isn’t even smoke yet.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Apr 5, 2009 12:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Very good points
To all of you who want to knock ’Tellus for his 5c head, i have one question:
Do you really think other teams will be hesitant to sign an incredibly physically gifted player who is 25 years old and has shown flashes of immaturity?
Carl’s point isn’t that ‘Tellus will be the next Witten. It’s that some team will pay him like he COULD be — (see also: Bryant, Antonio).
If you are young and gifted physically teams will look through a lot.
I was floored by how well ’Tellus played this year. When a lot of folks were freaking out (and saying cut the kid) my main take away from Hard KNocks was that he looked like a college basketball player. HE JUST TURNED 22, a full year in the conditioning program will do him wonders. He may prove to be a waste of talent, but he is a talent. And people will pay for that talent (and end up looking like morons or geniuses for it).
by 325424 on Apr 5, 2009 12:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Right...
…but isn’t that decision (on whether or not to pay him) 2-3 years away? Why are we worried about it now? We lost to the Eagles 44-6 in our most important game of the season last year, I feel like we have more pressing issues, no?
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Apr 5, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who's worried?? It's just an interesting take on one of our guys.
In a few years he might be worth something to the Cowboys on the trading block. If he keeps developing. That’s all Carl is talking about.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
by kameleon_o on Apr 5, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
barring any major disciplinary action, if his production on the field picks up his last season with the Cowboys I will put money on it that the Cowboys will be getting offers for him. His physical tools can lead one to only imagine what could happen if with the right training, the right instruction, and more playing time the type of player he can develop into. Like I said before if he can get his mind right… the sky is the limit.
Semper Fi.
by UnNecessary Roughness on Apr 5, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
True dat, true dat.
"Attitude reflects leadership." - Remember The Titans
by USMC2847 on Apr 5, 2009 12:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
we should all be happy if what carl says is true….. if he is gonna be truly one of the best te’s in football then we should be thrilled and if he wants out we should get all we can from him and be happy because we can rebuild from there.
by regaberto on Apr 5, 2009 1:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The guy is 22
Some of the dumb stuff I was doing when I was 22 would make Martellus look like a Rhodes Scholar. He had a decent rookie year . If Carl is right in his prediction (and it’s ok to be early when you make a prediction) and Tellus fills out physically and mentally – he could be awesome.
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
by Jim Vance on Apr 5, 2009 1:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
Somebody’s personal maturation process is too easily debatable. I think Marty B is funny—does that make me more mature, or more immature. It’s so subjective. This isn’t Lawrence Phillips. The fact that Bennett is blogging and letting the Cowboys’ world in on his days shows that he has nothing to hide. That, to me takes maturity.
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed.
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 5, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A glass half empty...
The guy hasn’t begun his second training camp, and we are worried that he may turn out to be so good that Jerry will have to give him a superstar contract, or trade him for a first and second this year, a first and second next year, and a player to be named later.
At this rate maybe Ciskowski can find us another TE in this year’s draft. You suppose?
Unlike a Cowboys' season, in life, there may not be a next year.
by Reno Cowboy on Apr 5, 2009 2:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm holding off on the annointing oil for Marty B...
I like what I saw in 2008, he put together a nice rookie season for a backup TE. Plus, he seemed to get better the more he played and his blocking has come along nicely. But I need to see it for a couple of seasons in a row to start thinking of him as potentially one of the best TE’s in the league. No doubt in the physical-gifts department Bennett has the goods. The question is can he translate that to production on the field, on a consistent basis over a couple years, while accepting the backup role. Then, we might have a problem keeping him, because someone will see the potential and want to pay for it. But even then, since he hasn’t been a starter unless something I don’t want to even think about has happened to Witten, the question will still have to be answered if he can light-it-up as a starter.
The kid looks good, has plenty of athletic potential, but has a ways to go before we can get a proper read on his future.
by Dave Halprin on Apr 5, 2009 2:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Waaaaaay too early
He’s shown flashes, but so have a lot of other backup talent around the league.
by bryangene on Apr 5, 2009 2:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He has the tools...
no one is arguing that point. As a 2nd rounder, I think his rookie deal was for 4 years. So we have him for 3 more. There’s a whole lot of water to go under the bridge before his and Witten’s contracts run out. Lets see where we are in a couple of years and make a decision then. Both guys will still have at least a year left on their contracts….
by Ridgelake on Apr 5, 2009 2:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice problem to have
We got rid of one of the best WRs in the history of the game in order to give Miles Austin a shot at starting. We may have to go the same route(trade Witten) in the future at TE and if we do, it will justify the 2nd round pick they used to get him. But Bennett isn’t going to command anything until he makes a name for himself outside of Youtube
by cow_fanatic on Apr 5, 2009 3:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh please! You want to wait till he accually .......
puts together a outstanding season or at least makes a real difference every time he comes in before we proclaim him the next Tony Gonzales or even Jason Witten? God it has to be the off season.
by bad knees on Apr 5, 2009 3:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Everybody on here makes predictions. What's wrong with that?
Think about Kevin Burnett feeling “pigeon-holed” by the team; or Keith Davis (last year) wanting to go somewhere else for a better chance to start. If, and Glory did say “if”, Bennett does improve over the next coupla seasons, he may just feel the same as these other players.
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed.
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 5, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes but in both of your cases
those players played out their respective contracts so I think that this idea is not one year away but more like three years away.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
by cowboy78 on Apr 5, 2009 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, me 2.
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed.
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 5, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well i think we should..
cut him so we dont have to worry about it…and i also feel we should get rid of felix jones before other teams notice him….
I don't need a compass to know which way the wind shines....
by hashishkabob on Apr 5, 2009 4:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm actually inclined to agree with Glory...
…but it’d be a pretty nice problem to have. I’m pretty sure that I read in one of his bios that Bennett was briefly planning to put himself up for the NBA draft out of high school until the draft advisory board mentioned that he had a good chance of going undrafted. Is the 2nd round thing corroborated? I mean, he’s got sick athleticism, so the point is still there, but that detail might not be accurate.
by BackInTown on Apr 5, 2009 4:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
BTW
Cowboys vs. Bengals on NFL Replay at 4:30 (PST)!
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed.
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 5, 2009 4:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's a good point and very plausible
in the meantime, we’re going to enjoy having the best TE tandem (and the best RB trio) in FB for as long as it lasts!
by scottmaui on Apr 5, 2009 4:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Amen
It’s an interesting issue that GD88 brought up, but way too early to start worrying about the “what if’s”
Live in the present and be thankful the scenario is even possible down the road.
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Apr 5, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We Should Play Him In The Slot
We need to try to get Tellus on the field and the ball in his hands. Witten could use the breather that an emergence of Bennett would provide. Garrett needs to get Bennett in motion and create mis-matches. Roy and Austin at the WR spots, Witten at TE and Bennett in the slot . . . this would be especially attractive in the red zone; Bennett could block for one of our running backs or slip out to slide along the middle . . . if Bennett works out, then last year’s draft class just gets better and better; but . . . color me sceptical that Bennett is mature enough to handle stardom.
by Iowacowboy on Apr 5, 2009 4:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Throw Felix in the mix
able to line up on the outside as well, and you have serious mismatch potential, if JG can exploit it
by scottmaui on Apr 5, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just move him to wide receiver
All of our wideouts will be hurt by week 6 anyways.
by DoomsdayD75 on Apr 5, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
YES
Another Eeyore!
Welll….looks like its going to rain…
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 5, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
thanks for noticing me!
lofl
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed.
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 5, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is my point.
Martellus Bennett is a starting caliber NFL tight end. You only get one career, so if after this season he is not happy, he should force his way out. He’s too good to be a backup, and Witten is too good for Bennett to ever supplant him.
In the mean time, let’s just enjoy having them both.
I gave up torture for Lent. Between now and Easter plagiarists will be humanely euthanized.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Apr 5, 2009 5:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree, but I say he'll be here longer.
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed.
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 5, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree on the "too good to be a backup" statement
Martellus Bennett is a good player so far in his role, but there’s nothing saying that NFL players have the inalienable right to be starters just because they’re talented. We’re paying Bennett quite a bit of money, and that gives the team the right to use him however they want. As I said above, the Colts held onto both Marcus Pollard and Dallas Clark for a number of years, and both produced good numbers. Jake Delhomme was a backup QB for the Saints for a while as well, and I am sure he benefited from the experience. I believe Trent Cole had his best season for the Eagles when he wasn’t even a starter, but a guy brought in in particular situations.
Bennett should be happy to be in the position he is— getting a decent number of snaps in a very good offense, with the league’s best TE to learn from and a very good QB to throw him the ball.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Apr 5, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel that the idea of this being one year away is far-fetched, he would benefit from learning all he could from
Witten, to say that he is going to learn all that he needs to know from one of the best TEs in the league in two seasons is the part I find hard to believe. Now the case could be made for him if witten goes down for the season and he fills in as the starter and lights it up, then he may feel like he should start somewhere else. I would also worry about his maturity if he was so concerned about his role in a team that he knew that he should be a starter and force his way out. I think this will be a problem 2-3 seasons from now.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
by cowboy78 on Apr 5, 2009 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we let our backup TE whine his way out
We might as well give up, because we will officially be a joke of a franchise.
by DoomsdayD75 on Apr 5, 2009 5:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He wouldn't have to cry his way out.
He could just not resign with Dallas and PRICE his way out.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 5, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good Write-up
I am glad we have a very capable back-up.
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
by Wmillion on Apr 5, 2009 5:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well hopefully thats the case...
Because of the rest of the league think that, than either….
A) Dallas will retain him and will have the best physical mismatch in football. Being able to go in no huddle situations with the defenses having no physical matchups that can compete with the double tightend package. Or….
B) He’ll unload for a couple of awesome draftpicks.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 5, 2009 5:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Boy Felix looked great.
What was up with Carp, KDavis and Jenkins on that KR though. Enormous hole!
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by Aaron Novinger on Apr 5, 2009 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I brought up the fear of eventually losing Martellus a while back
But I just figured it was me being paranoid. Now I’m twice as paranoid.
I think he’ll at least play out his rookie contract, though. Doesn’t come off as the whiny brat type like Cutler, Boldin, Ocho Cinco, etc. to me.
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by the red scare on Apr 5, 2009 8:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No doubt about the talent this young man possesses. If we can get two or three years of
great play out of him, before he gets the itch to move on, I’ll be satisfied.
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by CowboyMan on Apr 5, 2009 8:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not a problem
I don’t expect him to have a full grasp of the NFL game till he has some serious reps under him. And with his situation here, that maturation point will prolly be about 4-5 years out. Which puts him at his peak. That would also mean that would put Whitten at the twilight of his career.
I think that decision – either way – will work itself out.
I think it would be stupid for Dallas to not utilize both of them in the meantime.
And for you fullback lovers, we’ve been slowly transitioning to a pseudo-spread offense ever since Bill P. was here – even back with Chan Gailey.
That’s why we got Fasano and now Bennett. There have been plenty of viable FB to draft over the years, we just haven’t needed one.
by rotovibe on Apr 5, 2009 8:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Jerry can do another Herchel Walker trade
Tellus is awesome but think of the king’s ransom if what Carl says is right. Maybe like a 1st, 3rd and a couple of late round picks.
by quincyyyyy on Apr 5, 2009 10:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Or maybe we could get the first pick in the draft and get a premier left tackle
that would make me really really happy.
by quincyyyyy on Apr 5, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A different angle...
When Bennett was drafted, Jerry said he was not drafted to play back-up tight end, but to add a new dimension to the offense. He also talked about implementing more 2 tight-end plays.
What if, in typical Cowboy fashion, the Boys actually are intending to make the standard formation 2 TEs & 1 WR? There is nothing to say they must play with 2 or 3 receivers.
Since we know how difficult fielding safeties and linebackers who can actually cover, imagine the coverage problems this would create.
by BVandy on Apr 5, 2009 10:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That fits with the plan to emphasize the run more
I think that Garrett will use the 2 TE sets a lot this season. Both Witten and Bennett have the ability to line up on the LOS, split out wide, or even in the backfield. Having those options available could create a lot of mismatches since defenses wouldn’t be able to make substitutions.
They could also run the 2 TE sets with any combo of 2 RB’s and 1 WR, or 2WR and 1 RB. Just opens up a lot of options for Garrett.
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by APerfectStar on Apr 5, 2009 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the Hback role will be more prevalent than a traditional FB or TE in our system. Insert MartyB and Wit.
With the trend of the 3-4 scheme and speed outside rushers dominating defensive philosophies, one of the ways to neutralize these defenses is to force them to scheme around a hybrid blocker/reciver who could run routes. Leverage the scheme and force defenses to deal with multi-applicable positions. Not some juggernaught FB.
by rotovibe on Apr 5, 2009 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
That’s what I was trying to convey, but I like the way you describe it better. “Multi-applicable positions”
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by APerfectStar on Apr 5, 2009 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so like 2 TE's and a FB?
hmmmm, that should be interesting given defenses are becoming faster and smaller lately
by quincyyyyy on Apr 5, 2009 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
more like no FB...
You don’t need a FB in a double TE set. Either of the TE’s can used as a lead blocker.
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by gee-roj on Apr 6, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looking at the past couple of seasons...
our scouting department is looking better and better. This is how dynasties are built…keep good players coming and never put yourself in a postion where you are limited in options…
by CaliFanInTx on Apr 6, 2009 6:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Isn't Bennett in a way similar to Tashard Choice.
Both have flashed, and neither has proven that they can do it for 16 games.
Still, everyone on this blog is ready to trade Marion Barber, but the same people scoff at the idea that Bennett may want out a few years down the road?
And yes he is under contract for four years, but you only get one career. I hate it when players cry over money. But if a guy wants out of a place so he can start elsewhere, I say kick and scream. Those years are too valuable to waste.
10% of the people control 90% of the wealth...so goin' against the grain oughtta get me pretty far.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Apr 6, 2009 6:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well MB3 is in a position that has shown to wear down players around 29 years of age,
Barber is also a RB which has shown to be a position that can be filled in the following draft and find a RB that can fill in for at least a year. I also think it is the combo of Felix and Tashard that gives weight to the idea of letting barber go, not to mention his large contract and the fears that he may not live up to the production demands that his new salary is based upon. I do not think that they are the same situation, because as you have said Witten is durable, has had very good production and is under a reasonable contract. I still think that Bennett prediction could be a reality in 2 seasons from now at the very least not one. I would also contend that yes it is only one career but I think he would be selling his career short if he felt that he really believed that he learned everything he needed to know from witten about being an elite starting TE in the course of two seasons. Bennett’s one career would be better served to make sure he learns everything and anything from witten then in his 3rd or 4th year (most likely 4th) he could then want to stretch his wings.
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by cowboy78 on Apr 6, 2009 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Personally...
And maybe I get his personaltiy all wrong, but I think that he likes the fact that he’s a Dallas Cowboy.
Don’t get me wrong, he’ll want the money eventually, but he’s a texas grown guy that grew up watching the Dallas Cowboys and all of his family and friends are from Texas so he might have more incentives than just playing time.
We’ll see, this is going to be a while down the road. Good article anyways Carl.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 6, 2009 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather have an excellent player
a couple of years and then get some type of compensation for him than a second round bust.
IMO if we have to worry about Martellus Bennett being too good… that’s a good thing to worry about.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 6, 2009 8:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Just seems like
We should be worried more about our half backs…
It doesn’t seem like Bennett is the sort that has the focus to be great. It looks to me like he is getting by on physical ability without doing the little things. He also doesn’t look like a guy overflowing with drive either.
I think Choice will be more of a problem.
But hey… Maybe one day….
by Mojoness on Apr 6, 2009 8:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bennett has light years to go
before he is considered one of the best TEs in the game. He has the potential to be special and I said that as soon as we drafted him, but he has a lot of growing up to do and learning from the best TE in the game today.
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by Terry on Apr 6, 2009 8:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree here.....lets tone down on Bennett..He isn't that good..
by Boyzfan94 on Apr 6, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I agree...
He’s not that good YET.
However, he’s got LOADS of physical talent. He’d be a starter on quite a few teams already.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 6, 2009 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bennett loves attention
I have no doubt he’d rather play for Dallas. If Dallas startes enjoying post season success and he can get a contract to play TE for Dallas that finacially puts him on equal footing with a starting TE, he will probably stay. He has “Legion of Doom” tattooed on himself somewhere, that’s the group of TEs that played at A&M. He’s a team player.
Also, I’ve wondered what Dallas could do with to very good TEs. What sort of mismatch do they create, and can they be as valuable as having two great WRs, like Isaac Bruce and Torry Holt together?
by AustonianAggie on Apr 6, 2009 10:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
personally...
i think martellus is a monster.
i know im in the minorty, but i thought witten really regressed last year (as did our entire offense). but, it seemed he regressed in areas … that make him better than most TEs. blocking, primarily.
i know we got against beasts in the NFC east… but i saw our boy witten get blown off the line SOOOO many times last year. it made me remember the good ol days of dan campbell.
witten is still an elite TE. but martellus is an elite athlete.
and personally, im a lot more fond of martellus’ ridiculous martian rants, than jason’s “oh, woe is me… how did i ever get involved” statements.
i still love witten. but if you dont see that martellus can and WILL surpass witten in talent and production… your not watching the film.
that being said… via twitter:
MartyBTVLOL it’s wayyyy to soon to even entertain the idea of me leaving I mean come on really. I’m part of Americas Team
by JoeGalvan on Apr 6, 2009 12:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Really disagree with you here
For all the reasons that many of us stated above, it is far too soon to know what Martellus Bennett’s career arc will be like. As was said, Jeremy Shockey looked even better than Bennett does at this point in his career— he was an athletic freak, and people were already reserving him a place in the Hall of Fame— and I think Shockey’s career path is an excellent example of how easy it is for a player to not hit his ceiling in terms of potential. Physical talent is only one of the many components a successful NFL player needs. And Jason Witten has all of them.
Your Witten statements are where I disagree with you most strongly. You’re off the reservation here. In order for Bennett to “surpass Witten in production,” as you say he will, he will need to do things that only 4-5 tight ends IN NFL HISTORY have done, including putting 5,000 yards receiving in the first six years of his career (Antonio Gates is the only other tight end that has ever done that) and post an 1100 yard season (Shannon Sharpe only did this once in his 14 year career). In addition to his receiving prowess which puts him alongside greats like Sharpe, Gonzalez, Ditka, etc., Witten is an EXCEPTIONAL blocker. In 2007, his last relatively healthy season, he was one of the top blocking TEs in the league, in addition to being a potent receiving threat. Martellus Bennett had a productive rookie season. I like him a lot. But saying that he will surpass Witten is ridiculously premature and somewhat insulting to #82, who has done nothing but produce for this team.
In terms of Witten regressing last year— I think our offense regressed, and I think Jason was SEVERELY injured for a significant part of the season (yet played through it). And despite that, I didn’t see much regression from him. So unless you point to some actual examples, I have trouble knocking a guy who gritted it out and played for us in what must have been phenomenal pain, suffering from a floating rib cage and a separated shoulder.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Apr 6, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That could have a lot to do with the fact that he played with damaged ribs for most of the year.
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by cowboy78 on Apr 6, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Campbell isn't a better blocker than Witten
Witten is actually one of the best blocking TEs in the league, no TE combines both great receiving and blocking ability and talent like #82.
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by Terry on Apr 6, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
right...
thats was one of the things i said separated him from the pack. was his blocking skills. maybe he did regress a bit due to his injuries.
regardless…. martellus has the speed and power to create some real lanes in pulling situations (as he showed last year) that witten doesnt. again… not saying witten sucks/cant do these things. im just saying martellus can potentially do them BETTER.
i dont have any stats to back up my statement/theory … lol. nor will i pretend that any part of my argument is anything more than my own here-say.
and im not knocking witten for anything other than his interviews. i love the guy. im just stating that martellus has a MUCH HIGHER ceiling than jason did when he came into the league. and given his proper burn … he CAN out produce witten.
will he? probably not. and that will be romo and garrett’s fault. if we dont see the 88 formation more next year (double TE) … i might lose it.
with TO gone, i think witten will now be the focal point for defenses. that leaves things open for the running game and … subsequently … martellus being marked by a LB or safety.
ill take that matchup 12 times outta 10.
martellus is only a 2nd year player. i understand that…. but witten is no football jesus. he’s a really good player who plays balls out.
you combine that type of drive with the natural ability and athleticism of a cat like marty b… and youve got something REALLY special.
i just wish witten would do a bit more to take him under his wing.
by JoeGalvan on Apr 6, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear you on the 88 formation
It’d be great to see them both on the field on a regular basis next year.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Apr 6, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Other recent notable TE's Rookie Seasons
Throwing these numbers from nfl.com up here for comparison and discussion. I am really bored at work.
In no way am I trying to say Bennett is going to be as good or better than the TE’s listed or Witten.
Yes it is very early in Bennett’s career but Glory isn’t too far off base in his conclusion.
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by pretty ricky on Apr 6, 2009 1:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Let me add that I think Witten will go down as the best TE to ever play the game
Game Recognize Game
by pretty ricky on Apr 6, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no doubt about it, totally agree
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by Terry on Apr 6, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I admire most about Bennett's game..
Is that he is a punishing run blocker and a complete TE, much more so then Shockey ever was(who could never hold his own in run blocking the way Bennett can) or Winslow, or any of those other flashy receiving TE’s.
Bennett doesn’t mind getting his hands dirty and putting a guy on his back, and nobody has any room to question his work ethic with the constant improvements he’s shown from the OTA’s into the season…He started to figure things out more and more, but this is the best situation for him to really grow into a complete player.
I remember telling people had Atlanta drafted this guy, he’d be their TE1 and an every down back, he’s a better prospect then Pettigrew who is going in the 1st round this draft, again he hasn’t shown he’ll get in trouble off of the field and he produces on the field so outside of that who really cares.
Living in this day and age what players do will be under a microscope, but as long as he’s not taking any mugshots and continually get better we will have a good problem on our hands, people would easily give up a 1st and maybe more if they think they are getting a Gates type of talent.
by LonghornsLegend on Apr 6, 2009 1:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
All I can say Carl is...
I’m Happy Martellus Has shown flashes of ability, because I wasn’t on board with drafting him last year. Yeah, we might be talking about “Anthony Fasano Syndrome” (Develop a Top TE, then let him go to another team and be a pro bowler type for them), because you also may know or remember Carl that I wanted a certain type of WR opposite T.O. (or Roy), and last year I wanted Eddie Royal. This year, it is Jarrett Dillard. Now true that Dillard doesn’t have deep speed like Royal, but both me and you know what kind of reciever he is, and that means alot. So the real question is this…
Do we draft 2 recievers in this draft? A Possession type and a Deep threat? If we do, then we go after Dillard and Byrd (Gil’s son). I’ll be happy then that we drafted Martellus. I like Martellus alot. But this reciever thing isn’t resolved in my book, and we should have used last years second round pick on Eddie Royal (even if we had to move up to get him).
Main thing is that we fill out the roster in area’s we are WEAK rather than draft strategy BPA, because if we address the areas we are weak, then we will be a threat when we do make the playoffs. BPA is a good philosiphy, but I don’t think it totally serves the Cowboys in this Draft. I actually want us to Draft OL with our 2nd rd pick.
I also like that reciever from North Carolina if he is around when we draft in the 3rd and 4th rd.
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by DallasPalace on Apr 6, 2009 2:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand why they both can't get the ball.
This is the ultimate 2 TE set. One blocks, one stays in. The defense has to guess which it is. This could be an effective weapon. Along with Martellus getting some of those balls they’re gonna throw at the second WR. If you have a talented player, don’t you have to use him?
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by SB Six on Apr 6, 2009 7:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Smart post.
I love the 2 TE formation as well. It also makes it much harder for the defense to guess if it’s going to be a run.
That is one of the hard things about this team, getting the ball to your talented players.
I do know that Bennett looks like an animal with the ball in his hands.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 6, 2009 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im happy...
we have bennett. He is a big man that may do big things. I realy dont think that he is a 50-60 rec / yr. TE. The thing that realy got me Carl, that made you loose ALL credibility, Witten is the best TE in the NFL?! I have a ton of love for Jason! He is my favorite player on my favorite team. I just dont think you should let biases get in the way when you say anything in life not just football. Your bias is all over post. That siad, I hope Bennett sicks around long enough to learn to be a pro like Witten. Not just between the lines.
by cowboysforlife on Apr 6, 2009 9:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's not being biased....
Chris Collinsworth and John Madden have said the same thing.
Witten isn’t the best receiving, and he isn’t the best blocking, but he’s the best at the the two combined.
He also is so good at getting vertical, that he’s almost impossible to prepare for. If he’s one of the best.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 6, 2009 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who's the best if Witten isn't?
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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Apr 6, 2009 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tony G.
When (cuz I think it will happen) Jay Witt. dose it for as long as Tony. I feel it is safe to say he is the best.
Career Stats Receiving Fumbles
Season Team G Rec Yds Y/G Avg Lng TD
1997 Kansas City 16 33 368 23.0 11.2 30 2
1998 Kansas City 16 59 621 38.8 10.5 32 2
1999 Kansas City 15 76 849 56.6 11.2 73 11
2000 Kansas City 16 93 203 75.2 12.9 39 9
2001 Kansas City 16 73 917 57.3 12.6 36 6
2002 Kansas City 16 63 773 48.3 12.3 42 7
2003 Kansas City 16 71 916 57.3 12.9 67 10
2004 Kansas City 16 102 1258 78.6 12.3 32 7
2005 Kansas City 16 78 905 56.6 11.6 39 2
2006 Kansas City 15 73 900 60.0 12.3 57 5
2007 Kansas City 16 99 1172 73.3 11.8 31 5
2008 Kansas City 16 96 1058 66.1 11.0 35 10
Career_______ 190 916 10940 57.6 11.9 73 76
He has led his team in rec. since 99 as a TE! Has not had a great supporting. He had Andre Rison in the his first 3 yrs (as Rison was on his way out of the NFL). Eddie Kennison was there (I think we all can agree he was never a top flight WR in his career). The last 2 yrs hes had Dwayne Bowe (Bowe is a pimp and will be for yrs to come). So most of his career he has seen dlb teams, spied, and bracketed against.
by cowboysforlife on Apr 7, 2009 1:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Witten will smash all of that
"I see the door, I just get off on running through the wall." - Young Tripp
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Apr 7, 2009 4:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he sure could!
He isnt Tony G yet.
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by cowboysforlife on Apr 7, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Gonzo is how old?
Witten is only 26, I think that puts him above the future HOF TE in KC. Not putting Tony G down, but you have to look at the age factor.
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by APerfectStar on Apr 7, 2009 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gonzo can't block as well as Witten
and his receving skills aren’t that much better, thereby making Witten the best all around TE in the game.
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by Terry on Apr 7, 2009 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can make a case that has helped him too...
As he’s been the #1 option on the team and the only real threat.
Look at the players that Witten has had to share the ball with.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 7, 2009 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For sure you could make that case
It wouldnt be a good case but you could do it
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by cowboysforlife on Apr 7, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How would it not be a good case?
I think its an excellent case.
I guarantee Tony G has gotten more targets than Witten. Hell I’d almost gather that there has only probably been one year that Witten had more targets than Gonazlez.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 7, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What would you were a D coordinator?
I would take away the Os only option and make the rest of the unprovens beat me.
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by cowboysforlife on Apr 7, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
it helped immensely that they always hada 1500+ rusher.
I wouldn’t say it was the only option, and Eddie Kennison was a decent receiver.. but he definitly was the BEST option.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 7, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think its
like 5 times in his 11yrs hes had an 1000+ rusher witch has helped.
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by cowboysforlife on Apr 7, 2009 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you missed the blocking component
Tony Gonzalez has been used as basically a possession wide receiver for the past 4-5 years. He no longer blocks like a real tight end. He, Dallas Clark, Kellen Winslow, and Antonio Gates don’t have nearly the same level of blocking responsibilities or prowess that Witten does.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Apr 7, 2009 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He dosnt reseive...
or run routs like a “real tight end” He blocks just fine (not the same as Witten)
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by cowboysforlife on Apr 7, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Witten is the very best
and it’s not even close, you can’t name one TE that has the pass receiving skills and blocking ability of Witten, he’s the ultimate total package.
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by Terry on Apr 6, 2009 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tony G.
5th in TDs, 4th in REC, 12th in Yards, 2nd in 1st downs Thats all reseivers in 2008. He has blocked for some successful RBs in his day.
by cowboysforlife on Apr 7, 2009 2:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no way can he block as well as Witten, not even close
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by Terry on Apr 7, 2009 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It wasn't him that was paving the way for those runningbacks.
It was that offensive line that might have been one of the best in football.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 7, 2009 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just look at the way he was used
Gonzo is split out far more often than Witten. I believe he was second in the percentage of snaps he was split out amongst TEs, behind Kellen Winslow. Raf had some numbers on this a while back.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Apr 7, 2009 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just cuz isnt asked to block as much dosnt mean he cant.
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by cowboysforlife on Apr 7, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He can...
But its pretty league wide known that he’s not that good of a blocker, he just try’s really hard.
Matter of fact they mention it alot on NFL’s Top 10 Tightends.
I’m not going to say that Jason Witten is the top tightend of all time, and neither did Carl.
But right now… he is the best/most complete tightend in football.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 7, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry cant agree.
"I work hard for what I have and I will share it with who I want to. Government cannot force me to be charitable."
from Glenn Becks 9 principles to believe in
by cowboysforlife on Apr 7, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's cool.
To each their own.
The entire discussion came out of the fact that Carl said that Witten is the best tightend and you basiclly came out and said that his biasedness made him lose all credibility.
But I don’t think that is that biased, there are alot of coaches and NFL broadcasters who call Witten the best tightend in the league. It’s not like Carl was just saying that because the dude was a Dallas Cowboy.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 7, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
I did. What I read looked bias to me.
I feel that Tony G is the best hands down TE in football right now. I dont think that that can be debated with the career hes had and is still havin. And in sayin that I think that Jay Witt will have had a better career when its over. (barring ingury)
But like you said to each thier own.
"I work hard for what I have and I will share it with who I want to. Government cannot force me to be charitable."
from Glenn Becks 9 principles to believe in
by cowboysforlife on Apr 7, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It can be debated though.
That’s why it is debated all the time.
I think it can even be thrown in that a healthy Gates could be in there.
Gates and Gonzalez might be the best receiving tightends in the game.
Witten is the most complete IMO.
There are a TON of people who think Witten is the best tightend in football, alot of them aren’t even Dallas Cowboys fans.
It’s not like Carl said “Patrick Crayton is the second best receiver in football.”
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 7, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In my lil brain it cant be! Hands down!
"I work hard for what I have and I will share it with who I want to. Government cannot force me to be charitable."
from Glenn Becks 9 principles to believe in
by cowboysforlife on Apr 8, 2009 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're definitely in the vast minority
especially among Cowboys fans.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 7, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats cool
I dont follow the crowd cuz its the popular way of thinkin, not sayin that all do.
"I work hard for what I have and I will share it with who I want to. Government cannot force me to be charitable."
from Glenn Becks 9 principles to believe in
by cowboysforlife on Apr 7, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He helped.
"I work hard for what I have and I will share it with who I want to. Government cannot force me to be charitable."
from Glenn Becks 9 principles to believe in
by cowboysforlife on Apr 7, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i wonder of jason's balls are sore....
due to all the cowboys fans dangling from them in this thread of comments…
by JoeGalvan on Apr 7, 2009 10:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Strange thing for you to worry about
To each his own.
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Apr 8, 2009 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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