Jets might make a run at Miles Austin
Todd Archer reports that the New York Jets are scheduled to meet with wide receiver Miles Austin later this week. The Cowboys have a second-round tender on Austin, a restricted free agent, and would have one week to match a Jets offer should it reach that stage. The Jets pick in the second round is, funny enough, #52, right behind the Cowboys.
After the release of T.O. and all the talk the Cowboys brass has done about Miles Austin being a key part of their future plans, I wouldn't get too worried about this yet. If the Jets offer Austin, the Cowboys will probably match it, making Austin a bit more scratch per year and some bonus money. But I don't think Jerry Jones is going to let Austin go unless the Jets do something ridiculous. More than likely nothing will come of it or the Cowboys would match any reasonable offer. Just don't do anything nutty, New York.
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I have no clue why Jerry didn't slap a first round tender on him
it wouldn’t be that much more. Dumb move.
how are you going to slap a 1st rt
on a guy who has done next to nothing? I like Miles, he’s full of potential, but let’s be real here.
because it only cost you a few hundred thousand dollars to do so that's how
and you are not precluded from putting a first round tender on a player from lack of production.
yea I get the money part
But I think Jerry is being realistic here. To actually receive a 2nd round pick for a guy who statistically hasn’t done anything, nor cost us a draft pick is a great deal. Especially considering all the good receivers in this draft. I want to keep Miles too, but have a little faith in Jerry. They know what they have in Miles more than any of us do.
all the good
“college” receivers.
Right now they’re just unknown draft picks.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
All the good recievers?
The only reciever I can even name in the draft is Michael Crabtree, and that’s only because I am a TTU alum. There are really no “wow I gotta have” recievers I can think of. The last "wow I gotta have reciever I can really think of is Rocket Ismail. How did he turn out? We need to stop fooling ourselves thinking that NFL quality recievers just fall off trees. The only thing that college stats mean is that you are good against college players. I think Crabtree is a good reciever, but he did play 9 of his games against Big 12 defenses which are not the best in the nation especially when you add that he played against Baylor, A&M and KState.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
That Maclin guy looks good.
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 8, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
My point...
Is that those second round picks are even more unknown than Austin.
And while last year there were contributing rookie widereceivers, generally that isn’t the case.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
Yeah, as many times as fans
have pointed out how little Austin has done in the NFL so far that’s still more than some college kid who we only know because of Mel Kiper. When TO was here getting a 2nd rounder for Austin would have been great. Now it sucks. Better watch the “poison pill” Jerry.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
here's the problem
there isn’t a receiver we can draft in the second rd who is going to be as good as Austin.
In Romo we Trust
Ever, or in this coming season?
Either way, I’ll take that bet. You can have Austin and I will take every other WR drafted in the second round or later.
I'm in for a six pack of fat tire on that one...
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
It's a bet.
I assume we are using pure statistics (catches, yards and TDs) as our measuring stick, correct? You get Miles Austin and I get every WR drafted in this years draft from the second round on. Do I understand the bet correctly?
Fair enough
I would suggest we use 2009 stats since career stats would mean the bet could go on for 10+ years. I’m a fairly young man, but I don’t see staying interested in this wager that long.
So we will take the big 3 stats (catches, yards, TDs) and the winner must take at least two of the three.
So, now, what are we betting?
(btw, you know i will actually be rooting for you to win this bet, dont you? i would love nothing more for austin to emerge as one of the premiere deep threats in the game and go off for 65-1100-10 this year.)
whatever, it doesn't matter to me
because I am going to win the bet as this will be Austins breakout year.
In Romo we Trust
I wonder if the Jets make him a big offer for some reason and Dallas thinks that its to much for him, that could be a very big problem. It would make us draft a WR with one of those picks which might not be a bad thing because there are some good WR’s that will be available in the 2nd round.
NOOOOOO!
Again, I feel like the Viking dude on the Snickers’ commercials!
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
Who cares if they give him a big deal
Next year we could just cut him if he doesn’t work out without worrying about the cap hit because it will be an uncapped season next year. And we are currently carrying a lot of dead space this year that won’t be there next year if for some reason there isn’t an uncapped season.
It's not the money part of the deal we have to worry about. It's the poison pill that they'll surely put in it.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
i say take him
with that extra second round pick we could move into the first round and snach up someone real nice… :-) and we could pick up someone like derrick williams in the 3rd round who would replace austin as a deep threat
Yeah, real smart...in return we get a 2nd round pick that isn't any better than what we have now...lol
If we lose Austin we have to package some picks and move into the first round to get the best WR available. Percy Harvin will be available mid or late first round.
who says we need to take a wr
i said take a reciever in the third round……For all we know Austin could be a bust and hes injury prone so if we can get a quality starter in the first round that would play many years i say it would be a win.
think man....lol...Did you watch Austin or what??
He is no bust. You really want to go into next season with RW and Crayton as the 1 and 2….LMAO!! yeah ok….We lose Austin were picking a WR or making a trade for one.
ya hes had like 30 catchs in 4 years
were losing alot.. Look at Tom Brady he did it with alot less than RW and Crayton. Your team is what you make it and i dont see Austin as a franchise player we could do better plus we have 2 great tight ends hes def expandable
Hopefully the Jets offer alot
then maybe JJ will considering bringing in Matt Jones
Red and Black!! Red and Black!! Red and Black!! Congrats boys first time in team history over .500
by aussie_cowboy on Apr 8, 2009 1:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I was thinking something along those lines
Matt Jones would be awesome. If we can keep Austin, great. If not, they could go the free agent route, with a couple of quality receivers like Matt Jones and Torry Holt out there. As long as it’s not Marvin Harrison I’ll be happy.
Epic Fail since 1985
by the red scare on Apr 8, 2009 4:18 AM CDT up reply actions
When did Matt Jones become a quality receiver?
"I see the door, I just get off on running through the wall." - Young Tripp
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Apr 8, 2009 6:48 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree
Why would we want Matt Jones, who has never shown anything whatsoever and is in legal trouble, or Torry Holt, a #2 receiver at this point in his career with maybe 1-2 years of productivity left, over Miles Austin, a young, inexpensive receiver with decent production last year who looks to have considerable upside?
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
Matt Jones
Did more last season than any receiver we currently have on the roster…
Holt is old, yeah. But he’s also proven. And if Austin were to stay on the roster, we wouldn’t need him. But if he’s not, the only other “veteran” receiver we’d have is Patrick Crayton, who’s nothing more than a solid 3rd option, with a big mouth…who just so happened to contribute a great deal to the T.O. vs. Jason Garrett/Romo/Witten drama.
My only point is we’d get a 2nd rounder, and likely bolster the receiving corps with at least one quality reciever through free agency. Doesn’t sound like a bad deal. I’m practically an Austin fanboy at this point and I’d instantly be willing to trade him for a second if the Jets offered something I didn’t feel like matching.
Epic Fail since 1985
by the red scare on Apr 8, 2009 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I assume you meant he...
“did more” drinking and drugs than any WR on our roster.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
His production this year
The dude outperformed every receiver we currently have on the roster.
And he’s certainly not the only professional athlete to drink and partake in recreational drug use. He just so happened to get caught. Guy’s are high on Spencer around these parts, and he GASP! drinks! The whole public intoxication or whatever charge they hit him with proves that. It doesn’t matter.
Epic Fail since 1985
by the red scare on Apr 10, 2009 1:00 AM CDT up reply actions
No...
But he is a wideout that got caught with narcotic, got off pretty light and violated his parole.
The thing with Spencer is totally different. That was the first violation he’s ever hard and he isn’t known as being extremely lazy.
I was a HUGE Matt Jones fan, but he got off light after being caught with cocaine and all he had to do was keep his nose clean.
He didn’t.
He’s going to be suspended for probably 8 games.
A LITTLE different.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
Matt Jones had a pretty nice season last year
He had 65 catches for 761 yards in a run-first offense. He was their leading receiver and had roughly 20% of all Jacksonville receptions. Compare that to TO who lead Dallas with 69 catches for roughly 21% of all completions. Any Jags fan will tell you he finally came around last season. Maybe it was the coke (rimshot!)
I believe Matt Jones will be a Cowboy next year, although its a deal I wouldnt personally do. I just think Jerry will give his fellow Arkansas alumni an opportunity. He loved him coming out of the draft a few years ago.
Even if you sign the dude...
He’s not going to be available the first few weeks.
I’m guessing he will at LEAST get a 4 game suspension.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
When did he become a quality locker room presence?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
-100 Matt Jones....lol
Give it a rest already…..he is a bum and looking at suspension for at least 8 games…
Yeah, but
Romo ain’t no Brady.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
He can be if they stop bringing in big name WRs from other teams.
Not his fault.
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 8, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Please dont compare Romo to Brady.
You know Romo is never going to be Brady’s equal. And how does bringing in big name, established WRs hurt his development? You think a Miles Austin helps Romo more than a guy like RW or TO?
Never say never.
I was referring to regaberto’s comment up there about the pre-Moss Brady.
And just because Romo hasn’t won 3 superbowls by 9 last second points (how many were controversial?) doesn’t mean he won’t reach that pinnacle by the end of his career.
I think any decent WR will continue to further Romo’s development. It doesn’t hurt that Miles has been here.
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 8, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
You read it yourself
Look at Tom Brady he did it with alot less than RW and Crayton.
My response: Romo is no Brady.
That ain’t dumb stuff. That’s true stuff.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
The comparison
was Brady and his receivers versus Romo and his receivers.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
You have got to be kidding?
Brady with SB rings and Romo w/o a playoff win. You still think that Romo is better? Give me a break……
Brady didn't win those SB, Pats did
Actually, if you want to put those SB victories on one player, put it Vinatieri.
I don’t judge a qb on how many rings he possesses because if I did then guys like Jim Plunkett would be better than Marino, Fouts and Tarkenton.
In Romo we Trust
Oh come on.....
You know as well as I do, that Brady was the leader of those teams that just happened to win the SB’s. It takes real leadership to drive your team to win in the last few minutes of the game which Brady did. Remember, he brought his team back against the Rams and Panthers to win the SB.
and Romo has done the same thing many times
they just weren’t playoff or SB games, but he has the talent, leadership and ability to be clutch in those type of games as well.
In Romo we Trust
never?? I got news for you
He has the potential to be better than Brady and thats no joke.
In Romo we Trust
Potential.....Possibly....
but not proven at this point. You can’t say that Romo is better than Brady at this point.
and I didn't say he was
I said I’d take him over Brady, you’re just implying that I think he’s better.
In Romo we Trust
I'm not implying...
You said “I’d take Romo over Brady anyday.” Well, I sure as heck wouldn’t take Romo over Brady unless I thought he was better. Apparently, you don’t. Brady and Manning are the two best QB’s in the league right now and to put Romo in the same sentence as them is a joke. Does he have the potential? Yes, he does. You can’t put him in the same sentence with those two guys until he has proven that he can win in the month of Dec. and a playoff game.
putting romo in the same sentance as brady and manning...
is not a joke…
1 thing brady and manning have that romo lacked last year was an offensive lline…
give romo time, and i wouldn’t be so quick to choose brady or manning over him.
i daresay if romo played behind a line equal to that of ne or indy, hed be a top 3 qb with brady and manning… just my opinion… right now, i would rank manning, brady, romo though
by CowboysFan4Life on Apr 8, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
If thats how you judge qbs, thats your opinion
I just don’t judge players the same way you do because like I said, if I did, I’d have to rate Jim Plunkett as a better qb than Dan Fouts.
If you want to, thats your prerogative.
In Romo we Trust
What are you basing this statement on?
“Romo has the potential to be better than Brady”
I’m sure the organization appreciates fans like you, but you sure come across as having a lack of football knowledge on football websites.
Ummm
Brady did quite well when the Pats brought in a big name reciever from somewhere else.
0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.
ya he did what was it 17-1
dont mean shi* he didnt win it all like he did when he had lesser known recievers……..
50 TDs is not nothing
This conversation is assinine, but I hardly think you can call Tom Brady’s 2007 season insignificant, despite the SB loss.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
i can and i will
when it all comes down to it i believe eli manning had a better season. why might you ask because he won when it counted….
When Tom Brady "did it" with those receiver corps...
…he was putting up about 3,600 yards and 24 TDs a year. That is decent, but it’s not the standard that has been set for this Cowboys offense. I agree that you don’t need a Pro Bowler at every WR position to be successful (see Donovan McNabb’s career, and many of last year’s playoff teams), but I don’t think it’s unreasonable to want a better group than Troy Brown, Deion Branch, David Givens, and David Patten.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
why not? if we win the superbowl
i would do it with sam hurd stanback and crayton if it meant we were gonna win the superbowl idk you guys are overvauluing austin he hasnt done much and i think if romo throws 24 td’s ill be happy caz that means we have a legitiment running game.
I for one would
like to see one more year from him. I still get mad thinking of Jimmy Smith. Unless the Jets pull a Dan Snyder / Al Davis offer out of their butts I see Austin wearing the star next year. If he goes down or doesn’t produce then yeah, let him go.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
Because we WON'T win the SUper Bowl with that group
Those Pats teams had an excellent defense that forced turnovers and didn’t allow points, a low-risk offensive style, and a superb coaching staff. We don’t have those things right now. We cannot win the way they did. We need offensive talent.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
the pats had a bunch of unknown players
there were underdogs in the superbowl by 14 points, the cowboys have talent alot more so than new england had in there first superbowl its all about piecing it together now….
How do figure this..?
The Pats, at that time, had a future hall of fame coach, QB, DE (Seymour), Kicker, and possibly a future hall of fame linebacker in Bruschi. This idea that the Pats won their Super Bowls with a less than talented team is a joke. That team has been loaded with talent this entire decade. They’re just not big celebrities and they avoid the spot light. But come game day those guys can play.
Not to mention you are sighting an era in football that doesn’t exist anymore. 2001 was during a time when the NFL was still adapting to the salary cap and free agency and as result teams were coming and going out of nowhere. This is not the case anymore. The last 5 super bowl champs in a row have all at least been in the playoffs the year prior.
You’re not going to get an opposing defense off balance if they have nothing to fear from you’re passing game. If the defense can single cover all of your wide outs than it gives them a huge advantage. It’s just not smart football to rid yourself of all your best talent at wide out and decided to try and win with a less than talented group just because that seems to be the cool way to do it now.
The Colts certainly managed to win a Super Bowl plus remain a post season presence with a pair of talented wide outs. I’m constantly amused by this contingent of fans who now believe that the receiver position doesn’t matter anymore.
0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.
that was bradys first full year...........
its easy to say there all future hof after they when three super bowls without those you would conisder bruschi one? i wouldnt and poor guys there were dealing with the salery cap when the rams werent huh??? oh btw the rams had two future hof wr’s and how did they do in that game?? oh they lost so why dont you quit trying to support yourself and realize that a team is built on the line not with WR’s.
You're right...
A HOF wide out has never been an essential part of winning a super bowl. I must have imagined guys like Lyn Swann, John Stallworth, Jerry Rice or Michael Irvin. I must have imagined that time that Rams did win the Super Bowl once with that same pair of HOF wide outs you referred to. In fact it’s such a useless position I’m not sure why the entire NFL just doesn’t do away with it completely.
The line certainly plays its part but it is not the only element on the team that needs to be of quality in order to win a championship.
And the fact of the matter is the Pats did win 3 super bowls (and probably still one more to come) with that core of players; which means, brace yourself, they must have talent.
I’m just not buying into your philosophy that making the team less talented will make them somehow better (as if all players of talent are automatically a distraction).
0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.
Im glad you realize im right.
I just dont see why you contradict yourself saying all that stuff about the HOF recievers? How about the Baltimore? Tamba Bay? How about Chicago…If the QB protects the ball and doesnt make mistakes he can win games… you dont need a HOF reciever to win it just makes it nice.
09+24+28+23+82+11+94+41+26+31+90+32+56=2009 Success!!!!
Perhaps you missed the "superb coaching staff" piece of my post
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
they werent so superb
look at how the belicheck tree go’s they all blow they cant coach a nfl team without daddy helping them out. They only constant on coaching is Belicheck…
Good Lord
What are you arguing about? What point is this trying to advance?
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
And he's a constant of the grandfather, Bill Parcells.
Ahh, another link to the Cowboys’ legend.
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 9, 2009 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Because the Cowboys WON'T...
…win a super bowl with that receiving corps you just mentioned.
Brady at least had Belichick devising game plans when he worked with that less than flashy group. Romo has no such help.
Plus those Pats wide outs ran much better routes, (in particular Branch and Brown) than anything I’ve seen from Hurd, Stanback
0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.
your to big on names
There not on the team because they blow…. there all football players and romo is a good enough qb to win games with what we have
Having consistent coaching sure would've helped Romo like it did Brady.
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 8, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Just to play devils advocate...
Tom Brady didnt’ have an all pro tightend either.
It’s funny how he just gets forgotten.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
Cassel in KC
It will be interesting to see how he does.
Ignorance is no excuse, it's the real thing.
- Irene Peter
Prediction on Cassel
At best = Scott Mitchell
At worst = Elvis Grbac
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
Wow. There's not a lot of wiggle room there.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
It forces us to do that though.
Yeah, you could move up and get a guy like Kenny Britt but it would take both of our 2nd rounders to fill a spot that we have filled with Austin now. So it’s not even like we’re gaining a draft pick really.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
He's most likely staying.
Jerry knows that Miles will be important next season, and the Jets will probably give him a modest offer which Jerry will match.
"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips
#52 if they don't match any offer
That’s right on the borderline of having to consider what they could turn that into.
I can’t see the Jets making an outrageous offer for Austin, so the money shouldn’t be a factor.
Still, I’d rather not lose our speed WR after he’s developed into a real threat.
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
We can't lose Austin
I think he is going to have a huge season..
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
+2
Even though they didn’t invest a draft pick in him, they have invested years of developing him. Finally, there is room on the roster for him to see some real playing time.
We have enough draft picks this year to climb up for another 2nd if JJ really wants to.
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 8, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
No way he goes for a 2nd
If there was a WR worth taking in the 2nd round the Jets wouldn’t even be interested in the first place, let’s keep in mind that we would need a WR just like they do if they take Miles, and it would be stupid to expect to use that 2nd on a WR that late and expect him to start.
It doesn’t really matter, the Jets interest shows what we all knew, Miles has alot of potential and teams are taking notice, but we have enough room to make sure he stays, and NY won’t over spend for a guy who hasn’t really produced yet.
This move just shows he’s been getting some consideration different places, but Jerry won’t let him get out of Valley Ranch so I’m not worried at all.
by LonghornsLegend on Apr 7, 2009 11:58 PM CDT reply actions
I agree with you, they will keep Austin
But, hypothetically, if the Cowboys didn’t match any offer, they sure wouldn’t look to take a WR with the Jets pick. It would have to be a different position, otherwise it would be a really dumb move.
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Apr 8, 2009 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions
a low second round pick is not worth Miles Austin
by AustonianAggie on Apr 8, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Is Austin really worth a second round pick, though?
I love the guy’s potential and big play ability, but has he done anything to warrant a team getting rid of their second round pick? It’d be kind of foolish on the Jets part. Granted, I want Austin to be in Big D when the season opens, but I’d be tempted to have two back to back picks in the 2nd round, especially with quality receivers to be had in free agency.
Epic Fail since 1985
Take the pick
The Jets would be foolish to basically trade a 2nd rounder for a WR with “potential.” You trade 2nd round picks for QBs with potnetial to be a franchise QB – Matt Cassel, Matt Shaub, etc. Not undrafted WRs with 18 career catches.
I love the Cowboys as much as anyone on this board, but why is everyone overvaluing Miles Austin? If this guy was on another team, we would all say Dallas would be crazy considering giving up a 2nd rounder for him. He’s fast, but doesnt move really well. His hands are pretty good, but not exceptional. Route running has improved, but nothing special. He was an average Kick Returner. I hope the guy turns in an All Pro season for Dallas, but I just don’t get this notion that he’s worth more than a second rounder.
It would leave us a little thin at WR, true. Dallas would be forced to sign a Matt Jones, Torry Holt, or even Plexiglass. But that might not be a bad option.
Don’t worry, the Jets wont be this stupid. He’s not worth it.
Good business....
I won’t look at 2007 and 2008 because that wouldn’t be fair, but I’ll look at the other years in this decade for the 2nd Round receivers that were drafted:
(productive starters – depth guys or busts)
2006 – Chad Jackson, Sinorice Moss and Greg Jennings (1-3).
2005 – Reggie Brown, Mark Bradley, Roscoe Parrish, Terrence Murphy and Vincent Jackson (2-5).
2004 – Devery Henderson, Darius Watts and Keary Colbert (1-3) (I’m counting Henderson as productive…).
2003 – Taylor Jacobs, Bethel Johnson, Anquan Boldin and Tyrone Calico (1-4).
2002 – Jabar Gaffney, Josh Reed, Tim Carter, Andre Davis, Reche Caldwell, Antwan Randle El, Antonio Bryant and Deion Branch (4-8).
2001 – Quincy Morgan, Chad Johnson, Robert Ferguson and Chris Chambers (2-4).
2000 – Dennis Northcutt, Todd Pinkston and Jerry Porter (1-3).
(12-30)
30 JAGs or busts were drafted in the 2nd Round because they had potential. In Austin’s case he has potential and 3 years of NFL training and development, he may work out, he may not, what’s the diference to other 2nd Round picks at WR?
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
I remember wanting Dallas to draft Tyrone Calico. Gee whiz, was I wrong on him.
I’m back and forth with this Austin thing. I wonder how Da King feels about it.
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 8, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
It doesn't matter if he works out for the Jets or not. We won't know. But what it does do is it screws the hell out of us.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
I think the Jets would be silly to fork us over a 2nd for Austin.
Only thing is, with T.O. gone we kind of have to keep Austin now.
"I see the door, I just get off on running through the wall." - Young Tripp
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Apr 8, 2009 6:28 AM CDT reply actions
I think the Jets would be silly to waste their time....
by bringing him in unless they are truly serious about the possibility of giving up the 52nd pick and making a big money offer that Jerry will be reluctant to match. Why else would they even bring him in? The Jets, like everyone else, are going full tilt preparing for the draft. Why devote precious time and resources to talking to Austin, working him out, looking at his tapes, etc, if they are not really considering the move? The Jets aren’t even in our conference, let alone our division, so it’s not like they are trying to jack up the price of matching Austin just for the heck of it. The Jets may be very serious. And I don’t want the pick. I’d rather have Austin.
by Boundforbeach on Apr 8, 2009 7:02 AM CDT up reply actions
WR would be really thin if Austin leaves. Really thin.
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 8, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Not really Carl, because if you think about it who will be there at #52 that is NFL ready right now??
If they are that desperate for a WR, which they are, then using the #52 pick for a talent like Austin who is young and experienced is a good move for them.
On The Fence
I would like to have Austin for what everyone thinks he could become, BUT an extra 2nd round pick would be nice. To think of what Jerry and company could do with 12picks in this years draft would be fun to watch??
On T.O., tenders and timing....
All the hand-wringing on whether Austin should have been given a 1st or 2nd round tender would likely have been moot if Jerry wouldn’t have vacillated on a decision release T.O. until March. If he had just made the decision earlier, it’s far more likely Austin would have been given a first round tender just to prevent this possible scenario. As it now stands, T.O. is gone, most of the quality UFA’s have been signed, and we can’t expect a 2nd, 3rd, or even 4th round WR pick to step in on day 1 and produce. Jerry is now in a situation where he can’t afford to lose Austin, and will have to match unless the Jet’s offer insane money.
Maybe Jerry is smarter than everyone thinks.
Maybe they would rather have a 2nd than Austin. Had they slapped him with a 1st round tender, they would have gotten zero interest. The 2nd rounder is just high enough to get a little interest, and still get value in return.
If they really thought that highly of Austin, wouldn’t they have just locked him up long term, instead of tendering him?
Maybe the Cowboys’ brass sees Austin on an everyday basis, and are not quite as mystified by his 18 career catches as some others are.
"I see the door, I just get off on running through the wall." - Young Tripp
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Apr 8, 2009 7:37 AM CDT reply actions
Mystified!
Maybe the Cowboys’ brass sees Austin on an everyday basis, and are not quite as mystified by his 18 career catches as some others are.
That’s hilarious.
Possibly
But I don’t think it’s a mystery to why they haven’t signed him to a longterm contract. He is unproven.
In his defense though, it’s not like he’s had alot of opportunities to get onto the field.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
disagree
I think the team thinks Austin is a star in the making, but they thought they could get away giving him the 2nd round tender.
Lance Moore got the same tender and he produced 928yds and 10 TD’s last season.
Letting Austin out of the building would be a huge mistake.
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
Would you say the same about Stanback?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Nobody with even a hint of common sense would say the same for Stanback
Austin has proven WAY more than Stanback has. He’s actually been on the field for more than just one game, actually has a handful of touchdowns in his career, etc.
Stanback has a couple of catches, that were pretty much in garbage time against Cleveland, if I’m not mistaken. No comparison.
Epic Fail since 1985
by the red scare on Apr 8, 2009 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I would be happy with that from Miles.
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 9, 2009 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Me too
And I think Lance Moore is a really great comparison!
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
Lance Moore is a good comparison as a WR
But his stat comparison isn’t.
Keep in mind the Saints had a poor running game and horrible defense, so Brees had to put it up 635 times in 2008. There should be no reason for Romo to have near that many pass attempts in 2009.
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Me too
And I think Lance Moore is a really great comparison!
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
The Cowboys were smart about putting a 2nd round tender on Miles.
While a first round tender wouldn’t have been surprising, it’s tough to give that kind of value to a player that only has 18 career catches and has injury problems his whole career.
Many expect Austin to have a breakout year this season, especially with T.O. gone and the Cowboys using him more and more in two and three WR sets. He instantly became the home run threat any passing attack needs to keep the defense honest, and he’s shown the speed and hands that he can get this done.
But to those wondering why the Cowboys didn’t just go ahead and give him a nice little contract: HE HASN"T PROVEN ANYTHING YET. He’s an above-average kick returner with all speed and no wiggle, hasn’t stayed healthy the past two seasons and has just 18 catches in his career. There’s no WAY the Cowboys lock him down long-term based on his time so far.
This season was to be a tryout year for Austin. If he goes out and has 25-40 catches for 4 touchdowns by mid-season, then chances are a neat little contract isn’t too far behind. But you can’t go ahead and assign value to a player when he has yet to prove anything in the long term. Except first round draft picks, of course.
That being said, I’d be surprised if the Cowboys don’t match a Jets offer. While he hasn’t fully lived up to his potential, at least he’s shown what he is capable of. Even with first and second round draft picks there is never a gaurantee of what a wide receiver is going to do when he gets to the NFL, and it usually takes a few seasons for them to catch up. It’s rare to get a receiver that immediately makes an impact on the field his rookie season, and there’s no way the Cowboys move up enough in the draft to get one of those.
The Cowboys need Miles Austin.
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I see no problem...
Getting an extra 2nd round pick and signing Torry Holt. Crayton, Williams and Holt sounds very good to me and with 2nd round picks we can definetly move up to get a really good safety.
Getting an extra 2nd round pick and signing Torry Holt
I’m thinking the same thing. If we somehow lose Austin, Holt can be a stop gap for this year.
You sign Holt...
…and you’re looking for a WR again in one year. The guy has one year of productivity left, maybe two at most. If we stick with Austin, there’s a possibility that he emerges and becomes our #2 receiver for the next 6-8 years. And he’s a much faster and more potent deep threat than Holt at this point in their careers.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
Tha'ts what I was thinking
If Austin leaves and you get an extra second, sign Holt or another FA and draft a WR in the second or third round to groom. I know the thought of ever drafting a WR early gives a lot of people hives, but I’d like to see us add a young accmplished WR to develop for a change.
But I’d be happy to keep Austin and see what he can do next year too.
i'd much rather have matt jones
than torry holt…
i don’t want to add any more old heads to the roster… we’re relatively young
by CowboysFan4Life on Apr 8, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
There's a chance
They will put a poison pill in his contract keeping the Cowboys from matching. I am not the sharpest tool in the shed with contract stuff but they could say give him an extra 10 million if he plays three games against an NFC East opponent.
I....
don’t think you can do that.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
2010 is uncapped
How much poison can a team really put in at this point in the collective bargaining continuum?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
You can put all types of poison pills in the contract.
Like give him a $14 mill contract with all kinds of incentives that balloons to $50 mill and is guaranteed if Austin doesn’t play at least 4 games in New Jersey (or is it NY). The Seahogs did that with Burleson.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
I believe the contract language rules have been tightened since then...
…but I could be wrong.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
Maybe, but I haven't seen anything yet rule wise.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
Ahhh...the "poison pill"
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 9, 2009 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions
If Austin and his
agent are stupid enough to sign that then see ya. Just because the Jets offer him a contract does not mean he has to take it. If he knows Jerry is going to match any offer from the Jets then just say no to any clauses like that. Who would you rather play with? Romo and a T.O. less offense or a qb to be named later and a recieving core with no one on the opposite side. Look at what happened to Alvin Harper when he tried that crap with Tampa. He went there and sucked while the Cowboys went on to win another Super Bowl without him. It seems like an easy decision for me, but I am a fan and not a player.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
That's really the only saving grace in this.
If Austin tells Jerry what the Jets are offering him and just lets him match it instead of signing some contract with a poison pill in it.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
I actually like this...
Dallas isn’t going to let him go, but the fact that the Jets are even considering it, means that apparently they see something in the dude as well.
To me it’s comforting knowing that another organization thinks that the dude might be worth a second round pick.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
dallas will not let austin walk
I do not want there 52nd pick for austin…Dallas has been grooming austin for 3 years now you got to be nuts letting him walk and drafting another wr to groom….Austin is a big physical wr with alot of upside…jets see this also…I am a big austin fan and want him to stay a cowboy which he will i am sure….
Hey!
Where you been dude? Haven’t seen you post in a couple of weeks.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
Been busy at work ...wish i could have a better excuse ....
how have you been…
Bingo!
Why o why would you develop a guy over 3 years, have him ready to step into the starting line up, and then let him go? For a major crapshoot at 52? So you can hope to develop another guy and hope he’s ready in 2-3 years? Thats a really stupid way to do business.
I agree it would be a stupid move by any organization...
Austin came from a very very small school in north jersey ( monmouth univ).. People expect too much way to fast from this guy…Now he is going into his 4th season and will be given more playing time, I think we will see a much improved Austin who has shown us he has playmaking abilities…We already got 11 picks no need for another even though its at #52…I am sure dallas would match a jets offer but if some reason they did not I be pretty upset about it…
No
He is not physical.
He’s been brittle…fragile even.
For a guy with his size and vertical ability, he hasn’t been able to stay on the field. Would you keep him if he was only available for 10 games? 8?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I wouldn't keep him if I KNEW
he was only going to be available for 8 or 10 games but I don’t know that. We could draft a guy in the 2nd round who has a piano fall on him too. I know what I’m getting with Austin.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
Exactly
You are getting a player with 18 catches over three years. Anything else is conjecture.
I disagree
Austin’s detractors have been focusing on the “18 career receptions” stat to fuel their argument that we don’t know anything about him yet. I agree the kid is not proven yet, but I find the 21+ yards per catch for his career a much more interesting and compelling statistic. I don’t care about reception numbers— I care about production. And Austin gets the most out of his catches.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
Which is what?
a history of injuries?
a lot of unrealized potential?
How do we KNOW what we have when we haven’t really seen it yet?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
A guy that has shown this past season that when healthy he can get open, catch the ball, and make a big play.
Hell, just that fact that he can make the active roster is a lot more than what I know about any WR drafted in the 2nd round this year.
What do you know that you’re getting from any of the rookie WR’s that will be drafted this year??
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
hmm something or even better somehow the WR possition
seems to be baffling to me. Anyone remember when we lost Glen for the season, turned out we didn’t needed him for the regular season, but when TO came to play back from injury we really could of used healthy Glen. Than we fork up draft picks to get a legitimate WR opposite TO, than we cut TO, now there is a chance Austin leaves: to me thats a uncertainty and slow depletion of a receiving corps. As somebody said earlier I am just a fan and maybe management knows more, but it sure looks like crappy job managing your WR’s. Further complicating things is that even if we get #52 for Austin, you can’t replace 3 years of grooming and for everyone that is dreaming for Holt I’d say keep dreaming. First he’ll sign with Tennessee by the time Jets are done with Austin, second he might not even want to be a Cowboy and third signing him will defeat the whole logic behind management rationalization of dealing with the Cowboy’s WR so far.
would you let Austin go if
Jerry took the 52 and some lower picks and traded for another wr???
"Let me tell you sumthin' son ! an ass whippin' hurts no matter what kinda shape your in ! " Stone Cold Steve Austin
Holt...Please stay away from dallas
I do not want to see a young wr with upside leave for an old wr with little left in the tank..Whats the point of that move…I do not get that logic at all…I have no interest in wasting more draft picks to trade for another wr…We just gave up the house for roy williams, I had enough trading picks for a position we should be able to gain depth at in the draft…
just playing devil's advocate....
i myself am tired of Dallas not bringing along their draft picks or ufa’s…to many times we’ve had to trade or pick up someone’s cut guys in to fill spots…here in Houston we’ve seen this with the Astros trading young farm guys for vets..then when they’re hurt or not cutting it, there’s no one to bring up..
"Let me tell you sumthin' son ! an ass whippin' hurts no matter what kinda shape your in ! " Stone Cold Steve Austin
I dunno I say let em have him
The Cowboys have already said they are committed to running the ball more next season and with all of these other weapons in the passing game:
J.Witten
R.Williams
F.Jones
M.Bennett
How much is he really going to contribute then IF he beats out Crayton and IF he stays healthy.
I would like too see the Cowboys use that 52nd pick on a more pressing need like OT,NT,S, ILB. I think those positions are more important than Austin who might just be only a 5th option in the passing game.
Game Recognize Game
I think this years offense is about the sum of its parts.
I realize its Witten and RW as our main threats but to me this offense is about everyone getting open. If you cheat in anyone direction, the opposite guy will/should make you pay. I dont know if we look purely at numbers production and assess pure value. If Austin catchs 40-50 balls and 5 TDs but keeps the safety honest thats playing over Witten or RW then he is worth more. A guy that makes you pay consistently if you ignore him is worth it.
Those WRs in N.E. were way better than their numbers indicate because they would beat you if you cheated coverage. I think those guys were way undervalued.
I see your point
Maybe I am undervaluing Austin but the needs I listed just seem more important to me for the team as a whole than what he can bring based on potential alone.
If he was proven that would be another story.
Game Recognize Game
by pretty ricky on Apr 8, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree that would be the reason to let Austin leave
To try to turn that pick into NT,S,OT,OG,OC,LB
He has had some injury concerns, but he’s also improved enough to challenge for the #2 WR and only deep threat currently on the roster.
Tough choice, but I’m on the side that wants him to stay. It’s a risk, but so is any draft pick.
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None of those guys are a deep threat
Field needs to be stretched.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
Yeah...
I don’t think you can do that. If so, you’d have already seen it done.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
well we saw it done w/ Minnesotta
I bet it’s a league pressure thing, more than a league law. It’s new management that tends to pull these stunts, as in the case of Minnesotta signing Steve Hutchinson.
by AustonianAggie on Apr 8, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
True...
I had forgotten about that.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
The league wanted to make rules forbidding these but I don't think any where made
before the high publicity crime sprees of Pacman Jones, Mike Vick, and that Love Boat thing also in Minnesotta
by AustonianAggie on Apr 8, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
They say that the Jets GM is the guy that really initiated the poison pill type contracts.
I’m sure he’s planning on it.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
It's all a distraction
Management knows Stanback is going to surpass Miles this TC, so they spent all off season building up Austin’s stock in order to get a solid draft pick for him. They have the league just where they want them! Muahahahahhh!
/conspiracy
Stanback????
What evidence supports that?
The moment that dreadlocks become the standard by which NFL WR’s are judged is the moment Stanback will surpass someone on a depth chart.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I'm pretty positive...
he was joking
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
Stanback..lol
Stanback is going to surpass Miles this TC
LMAO!!!!!!
Now that’s funny….the player can’t even stay healthy and hasn’t shown he can make a transistion from QB to WR. He will be lucky to be active this season…Forget about Stanback. He will be nothing but a special teamer and a 4th or 5th WR on the depth chart.
Kenny Britt, Louis Murphy, Brian Robiskie, Brandon Tate
Those are the names you might get access to if you get #52.
Personally, I am a fan of Austin’s, but his injury history has robbed him of valuable playing time with Romo and his speed is more ‘straight line-ish’ than the kind you see from WR’s with looser hips.
all things considered, I’d take #52 and see if you can find this year’s Eddie Royal.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Boy, I sure would like Robiskie.
I’m 55/45 on this Austin thing. Whatever works out, works out in the Cowboys’ favor.
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 8, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
I would rather have Robiskie than Austin.
Not sure he will be there at 51/52 but he can play. And with Robiskie playing in a pro style offense at Ohio State, he’s probably on par with Austin regarding their development. Austin might be slightly ahead, but RObiskie’s upside is higher.
I dont know. Robiskie has the pedigree and polish but his speed is in questions.
Another RW type WR with size and hands but without verticle speed doesnt seem to be a good fit for us. If we had a established home run guy I would love getting Robiskie but he seems more of the same to me.
Yes!!!
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 8, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
How is Louis Murphy at 6'2", 200 with 4.3 - 4.4 speed
a guy with any less upside than Austin?
It’s not a question about Murphy in particular, it’s a question about how much they have or have not produced in the league.
Think about it. I like Austin a lot, but I’d still take the pick in a heartbeat, especially the way Ciskowski seems to be drafting…
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Good point
Except the one draft he’s been able to run has got to be our best in 5 years and they chose NOT to draft a WR when they had a chance to. It proved to be the right move.
So maybe, he HAS proved he can draft a WR by proving when NOT to move up to draft a Devin Thomas or a Limas Sweed or whoever.
I wholeheartedly believe that the best deals are the ones you choose not to do. Jerry stayed close to Tom’s board and it went well. If they need a WR, I am confident in Ciskowski’s ability to find the right guy(s).
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
What little success I've seen of Austin
Makes me want to keep him over a 2nd round #52 pick any day.
I'm just scared of another long-term contract for a player who may underperform.
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 8, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
+1
YES!!!!
Romo needs someone who can stretch the D.
He needs a Desean Jackson/Terry Glenn type of WR.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Whether they retain Austin or not, I want the Cowboys to at least consider drafting a smaller WR.
Any of those OU guys would do; Murphy would be a blast!
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 9, 2009 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions
There is no value for that 2nd round pick
That’s why NY came knocking, they need a WR just as bad as we do, if there was so many good WR prospects like we keep saying then why wouldn’t they just keep the pick and draft one of those guys?
If NY is more comfortable with Miles and his 18 catches over a rookie then why shouldn’t we? He might be unproven, but he has proven more then any rookie WR coming out, and we have to HOPE that the rookie can contribute from day one or our offense will struggle.
Austin is all potential right now, but we developed him for a reason, he’s a perfect fit as a #2 WR, let’s see what he can do before we move him off…Everyone wants all these picks that may or may not work out, I’d take Austin over a 2nd every day because Crayton and Hurd would be starters which is scary.
by LonghornsLegend on Apr 8, 2009 11:36 AM CDT reply actions
Yeah, isn't this how New England got Wes Welker off of Miami.
If the Jets are serious, they may need to up their ante. I bet Jerry’s saying, “we’ll match what you throw down $$$-wise.” The Jets may just have to grease him up a little more.
A first, or their 2nd, 3rd, and 4th.
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 8, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Ramses Barden
Remember that name…… Hes from Cal Poly (SLO) and hes going to be legit….. People are talking about Dillard being a sleeper pick from Rice. This kid is legit
6’6 230 pounds and runs a 4.5 idk austin this dude is gonna be available in the 4th round and if he was from a big school would be considered a first round pick. So if they do take Austin there is always a guy who can replace him
Big, slow, and not sudden...
Dwayne Jarrett ring a bell?
If not, how about Mike Williams?
Stop falling in love with gawky, tall slugs and try looking at some player that can actually run a pattern and get open.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
4.5 is pretty fast in my opinion
Jarret Dillard runs the same speed, So does Malcom jenkins, Micheal Crabtree, Knowshon Moreno, Chris Wells, Hackem Nicks, Alphonso Smith…… There are alot of quality players that run a 4.5 I dont think you can just lable a guy like Dwayne Jarret just because of his size. T.O was 6’5 and is a speedster.
Barden ran a 4.68 at Indy...slower than some TE's and LB's
What are you talking about a 4.5?
Where did you see that?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
T.O. is 6'3" and hasn't shrunk
I think you need a better source for your data…
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=61522&draftyear=2009&genpos=WR
The low is 4.48 statement of him being a 4.5 guy seems correct and we all know its how fast you are with pads on not just straight speed. and the T.O. thing i will accept defeat on that one :-) idk why i always thought he was taller.
Does he have short area quickness and the ability to seperate. These big guys never can
get away from CBs which makes them busts.
But look at his level of competition at Cal Poly
I doubt there were many DB’s who could out jump him.
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Yeah well have a look at Mike Williams and Charles Rogers. Dale Jarret and really a host of others
College Tds dont translate.
When they Played Wisconsin is when his name started getting noticed
He played against big ten dbs i dont think there anything to shrug your shoulder against. they were a top ten team throughout the first half of the year before they feel off the map
Those guys I mentioned played in the Pac 10 and they throw alot there.
Im not knocking the guy but you have to seperate. WRs after QBs are the hardest guy to evaluate. Quickness out of your breaks is every bit as important as top speed and size. In fact it might be the most important. It translate into seperation. Speed counts but if it take you 3-4 steps to top speed it almost useless.
And let’s not forget that Austin has been groomed by the Cowboys…
He’s not somebody that was developed by another team and then snagged by Jerry. I want to see what this kid can do before he is shipped off to another team. If Romo and RW get off to a good start it should open things up for Austin. If Austin starts making some big plays down the field it will really open things up for RW and JW; which will REALLY open up the running game.
Somewhere along the line Jerry decided that it was a waste to draft a wide out in the first round which is a shame because the last time the Cowboys drafted a receiver with their first pick he ended up being a hall of famer.
0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.
Alvin Harper
Was a hall of famer?
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
The last receiver the Cowboys drafted with their 1st overall pick was Michael Irvin...
And yes he is in the hall of fame.
0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.
aaaaaaah
That’s kind of splitting hairs a bit isn’t it? He wasn’t the last receiver they picked in the first round though.
That would be Alvin Harper.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
Plus...
And I’m not against drafting receivers, but when Irvin was drafted it was a completely different scouting crew, so that is pretty hard to compare.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
Wrong
In order to be “groomed”, you have to play. Miles hasn’t played nearly enough to qualify as having been groomed.
The whole Austin conversation is not unlike the Stanback conversation. All potential and no results.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
People keep saying...
He hasn’t had a chance to play. It’s not like he had three hall of fame receivers ahead of him. If he could play, he would have played. The fact that Patrick Crayton has kept him on the bench for three years is all anyone should know.
Do you have any idea how many big, tall fast guys there are that can’t play? Hope the Jets sign him then take the second round pick.
The Cowboys are building for 2-3 years later anyway. This is not a Superbowl team yet.
All of the reasons people give as to why this team will be better this year – Austin, Hurd, Choice, Felix, Bennett – are all still unproven. They have had flashes, but not a single one of them has put together two good years yet,
Take the pick and build.
Well in most cases he was the....
4th option on the team dude.
TO, Jason Witten, and Crayton were the first options for a while.
I’m not saying that he will or won’t be good. If I knew that, I’d be doing a different job.
BUT you act like that’s a horrible point.
Oh and are you really going to put Choice,Felix, and Bennett together and say “They haven’t put together two good years yet.”
Ummmm well considering that they are all rookies that would be damn near impossible.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
That's exactly my point
The world is full of flashes in the pan. Safety Roy WIlliams looked like a hall of fame player for a couple years – where is he now?
People are BANKING on unproven commodities having great years. People just assume that Choice, Barber, and Jones will make a seamless transition to a three headed rushing attack. People assume that Miles Austin is going to be a huge threat because he had two big catches last year. People assume that Roy WIlliams will be healthy all year. And people assume that Witten will be unaffected by becoming the main focal point of defenses next year.
Stockpile picks. So Miles Austin was not good enough last year to keep Crayton on the bench but this year since he’s “tall and fast” the NFl isn’t going to know how to cover him? Excuse me, but teams were covering a team with Larry Fitzgerald on one side and Anquan Boldin on the other with Steve Breston in the slot. I don’t think they’re losing any sleep over Miles Austin.
TAKE THE PICK.
If there is a DT, Safety, ILB, or WR at that spot that rates high, then a second round pick for a guy that has never been able to beat out the competition on his team is a steal.
Actually
Austin was starting alot and Crayton was on the sidelines.
Even still that would make him the fourth receiving option behind TO,ROY,Witten.
People aren’t assuming any of these things, I don’t think.
I’m not an optimist to say the least, but you have a very glass is half empty way of thinking about things.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
TAKE THE PICK!!!
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I disagree with this statement
The Cowboys are building for 2-3 years later anyway. This is not a Superbowl team yet.
I think they’ve got the talent to compete now and they have a 5-6 year window with the core players.
They need to continually build for the future. That doesn’t change whether they are SB champs or 0-16.
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
I agree
You can’t suddenly become myopic and say your window is now. If you do, you make stupid moves like trading two #1’s for Joey Galloway (wait, we did that!).
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Undrafted Free Agent
He hasn’t had a chance to play. It’s not like he had three hall of fame receivers ahead of him. If he could play, he would have played.
There’s a thing with Undrafted Free Agents…. Those guys need time to develop, they weren’t drafted for more than just one reason…
We have a QB that went undrafted, didn’t had a single Pro Bowler in front of him that kept him off the field and after 6 years he’s still an unfinished product. And still, he’s capable of playing ball with the best of them.
Just because Austin hasn’t played so far doesn’t mean that he won’t be able to.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
It doesn't mean he will, either...
So what is your point?
How is Austin any more or less a risk than #52 would be?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
WRs have the highest bust rate. They are a much bigger unknown than Austin.
I agree with getting a Desean or Terry Glenn, hell lets take a step farther and get a HOFer. Problem is who is that. Robiskie doesnt stretch the field for us. He is not TG or even DJ, those guys are serious burners. Im not completely sold on Austin it just seems foolish to let go of a guy you groomed to get to a point where he makes or breaks it and you let him go before knowing.
But draft picks do have longer shelf lives and in mid-round 2, there will be WR value...
What if Heyward-Bey drops?
What if Harvin drops?
I just think the draft, especially for a team without a #1, is so critical to future competitiveness. You have to fight to get younger and more talented at positions of need and here is a guy who hasn’t had big results and yet someone might toss up a #2 for him?
Heck, Randy Moss was had for a 4th!
:-)
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
A rookie to bring who would less impact than Austin. I want to get younger but I want to win now as well.
Harvin and Heywood have done zippo. Remember also the odds are that one will be a big fat bust. Do you have any idea who it would be. Plus our number 1 was already spent on a WR. You want to spend a 2nd as well.
Two Words
Eddie Royal
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Two Words
James Hardy
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
Only spend a #2 on a WR IF it's the one we get from the Jets
Sorry if I was unclear…
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
One more thing...
What we DO know about Austin is that, so far, he is fragile.
He is the Andrew Bynum of the NFL.
Potential is there, but can he ever deliver?
Plus, the 2nd rounder has a longer shelf life. If Austin does okay, he’ll be gone in 2010 and we will have nothing to show for it. If he gets hurt again, he’ll be gone in 2010 and we’ll have nothing to show for it.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I m not sold on the fragile. Why do we lose him. If he shows up we can sign him to an extension after 8 games.
If he REALLY shows up...
He’ll be worth a ton on the open market. We’ll lose him.
As for fragility, I dunno, but it sure seems he has missed a lot of games due to injury in 3 years…
Do you by chance know how many he has missed?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
No...
He won’t.
Dallas would sign him halfway through the season if he starts excelling to a longterm contract.
And he didn’t miss alot of games due to injury in the past couple of years. He missed some last year and that was it.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
I wrote this on another thread
I won’t look at 2007 and 2008 because that wouldn’t be fair, but I’ll look at the other years in this decade for the 2nd Round receivers that were drafted:
(productive starters – depth guys or busts)
2006 – Chad Jackson, Sinorice Moss and Greg Jennings (1-3).
2005 – Reggie Brown, Mark Bradley, Roscoe Parrish, Terrence Murphy and Vincent Jackson (2-5).
2004 – Devery Henderson, Darius Watts and Keary Colbert (1-3) (I’m counting Henderson as productive…).
2003 – Taylor Jacobs, Bethel Johnson, Anquan Boldin and Tyrone Calico (1-4).
2002 – Jabar Gaffney, Josh Reed, Tim Carter, Andre Davis, Reche Caldwell, Antwan Randle El, Antonio Bryant and Deion Branch (4-8).
2001 – Quincy Morgan, Chad Johnson, Robert Ferguson and Chris Chambers (2-4).
2000 – Dennis Northcutt, Todd Pinkston and Jerry Porter (1-3).
(12-30)
30 JAGs or busts were drafted in the 2nd Round because they had potential. In Austin’s case he has potential and 3 years of NFL training and development, he may work out, he may not, what’s the diference to other 2nd Round picks at WR?
I can see that you disagree… You should ask Redskins fans about drafting WRs in the 2nd Round… Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly? That’s why that Front Office doesn’t seem to like it’s draft picks…
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
You would think that either Thomas or Kelly will have to contribute this year.
Those two were the cream de las creme of WRs last April.
Hopefully, they both continue to suck.
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 9, 2009 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Thank God it seems that we will be right
That both guys haven’t showed up for weight program and other offseason activities up in Virginia isn’t a good sign of things changing for the(ir) better.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
Hers is the thing about Austin.
His rookie year and coming from a small school doesnt count for much. His 2nd season the guy made the field a little but was still thinking to much and drop alot of balls. This as I remember made some guys dislike him alot because he was wide open and dropped it. Easy catches. I just remember he was wide open and that aint easy in this league. He started seeing the field more his 3rd year and you could tell he was getting close. He finally had a break out game and scored a big TD along with some big catches. Romo looked like he trusted him. Unfortunately he hurt himself on the following KO. Thats a rough area and hard to call him brittle. I think this set him back a step or 2 and like most players probably came back a game or 2 early. He did seem to be rounding back into form later in the season but our whole offense looked a little disfunctional. I really would like 1 more year with this guy. He really looks close and he should be number 2 by the 3rd week of the season.
He will have a better career if he stays here because it looks like he has some chemistry with Romo. He is a good fit with Roy and Witten on the field as his verticle speed should compliment those guys
LOL
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;-)
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I've watched Miles improve noticibly in how he plays
by AustonianAggie on Apr 9, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
He can't stay ahead of Crayton
So how did you see all of this stuff in his play?
On the 46 plays per year Austin actually is healthy enough to be on the field...
I see HUUUUUUGE improvement!!!!
:-)
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
They're different players
Miles Austin is our only true deep threat WR on the roster (I am not counting Isaiah Stanback). Patrick Crayton does a lot of things well, but he is not a speedy flanker WR. I think he’s shown himself to be optimally suited for the slot WR role over the past few seasons. In my view, even if Crayton is getting a lot of snaps, we need Austin on the field, because he can do things which Crayton simply can’t do— namely, stretching the field.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
You can only stretch the field...
If people are afraid enough of you to commit help over the top. If the single cover you, you are not stretching the field.
Teams have to be afraid enough of you to give up stuff to Witten and the running game to keep you in check.
Somehow, I think defenses will say, if you beat us with Miles Austin, we’ll tip our cap.
nicely said (or written)...
Sums my own thoughts on Austin rather nicely
0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.
If they single up I have confidence in him to make them pay deep or at least scare the hell out of them..
He only hase to catch a few deep balls a game to keep them honest. He is also big enough and fast enough to take a slant to the house. You right though if he doesnt catch any thing deep he is useless but he has shown flashes for deep balls. He played in 9 games caught 13 balls and averaged 21 yards per catch. Thats deep balls.

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