Cowboys Miles Austin - Shark Bait for the Jets?
Assume the Jets offer Miles Austin more money than the Cowboys want to match. What would history tell us the Cowboys might expect from a second round draft pick wide receiver? I went back as far as the 2005 draft and looked at all wide receivers drafted in the second round up to and including the 2008 draft.
The 2008 draft is an anomaly in regards to the number of wide receivers selected. You also see more than one of these second round picks who had an immediate impact for their team.
I included the 2005 draft because we've all heard the adage that a wide receiver takes three years to develop and come into their own. I wanted to see who among this group we would be willing to trade for Miles Austin.
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Pick |
Player |
Team |
| 33 | Donnie Avery | Rams |
| 34 | Devin Thomas | Redskins |
| 36 | Jordy Nelson | Packers |
| 41 | James Hardy | Bills |
| 42 | Eddie Royal | Broncos |
| 46 | Jerome Simpson | Bengals |
| 49 | DeSean Jackson | Eagles |
| 51 | Malcolm Kelly | Redskins |
| 53 | Limas Sweed | Steelers |
| 58 | Dexter Jackson | Bucs |
| Pick | Player | Team |
| 44 | Sidney Rice | Vikings |
| 45 | Dwayne Jarrett | Panthers |
| 51 | Steve Smith | Giants |
| Pick | Player | Team |
| 36 | Chad Jackson | Pats |
| 44 | Sinorice Moss | Giants |
| 52 | Greg Jennings | Packers |
| Pick | Player | Tean |
| 35 | Reggie Brown | Eagles |
| 39 | Mark Bradley | Bears |
| 55 | Roscoe Parrish | Bills |
| 58 | Terrence Murphy | Packers |
| 61 | Vincent Jackson | Chargers |
I don't think the Cowboys will let Austin go to the Jets. I remember screaming at the TV in past seasons when a ball would hit him in the hands and he would drop it. However, this past season it looked like a light clicked on in his head. He gained confidence. He does seem a little delicate but does have speed and he has discovered what his hands are for. I also saw him using his body to gain position and screen defenders. I think this is also what the Jets coaches see and they are weighing that against what they could pick up in the draft.
Who would you trade Austin for - from the 2005 draft?
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Don't you feel stupid
Wasting everybody’s time with this?
by brettgardner on Apr 9, 2009 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sidenote about your user name
If its referring to the Yankees centerfielder. I work for the Yankees Triple-A club in Scranton, and you’ll never meet a nicer guy than Gardner. The kind of dude that re-instills your faith that every athlete isn’t an overpaid crybaby.
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by BigDinSC on Apr 9, 2009 2:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
It’s actually my name, and I’m hoping for failure for the Yankees CF’er because I don’t want it to follow me around for the rest of my life.
by brettgardner on Apr 9, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its easy to pick who you would trade him for now.
Almost every guy on your list ,somebody was in love with on this site. I liked Steve Smith, Greg jennings ,Malcolm Kelly, Hardy, Devin Thomas, Eddie Royal, and Desean Jackson. At this exact moment I would take Avery, Parrish, Royal, and Desean Jennings. All deep threats. I still have hopes for a few but those guys would fit our needs best.
by squidlo97 on Apr 8, 2009 7:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Where did this question come from?
Did the Jets make an offer? Did I miss something or are you just randomly making up a scenario?
by StillHateTheGiants on Apr 8, 2009 7:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Jets are
reportedly interested in him
by j1veturkey on Apr 8, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No offense but...
you seem to make a lot of threads about hypothetical draft picks
Every thread ends the same though: You show picks and players that prove that the draft is a crapshoot
by j1veturkey on Apr 8, 2009 7:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
None taken..
..you jiveturkey. It is a crap shoot, but the players know what the odds are when they shoot craps in Vegas. By taking a look back to see what happened before in the draft, perhaps we can get an idea of what those odds are on a certain pick at on a certain position. That’s why I take a look at those things.
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by Jim Vance on Apr 8, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only difference
between Austin and Stanback is Austin has played a few more games.
The jets want to give us their number 2 I’ll take it in a minute.
Austin is still unproven and needs to stay healthy.
Take the 2 trade it in this year’s draft for a # 1 and sign a FA wideout.
The pats won with deion branch as their #1 reciver
by oneforthethumb on Apr 8, 2009 7:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
Has Stanback made a play yet? I don’t remember even one. I agree Austin is far from a proven commodity but Stanback has shown absolutely nothing. Austin has at least half a dozen highlights.
by StillHateTheGiants on Apr 8, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There was that one...
…twist around catch in the end zone in one of the later pre-season games a few years ago. :) Unfortunately, I think that’s it. He’s got the build/talent, but that’s half the battle. Let’s hope at least 1 of the 3 Hurd/Austin/Stanback super-talented projects really really pays off this year.
If so, we’ll be alright.
Cya!
by KaceOFbass on Apr 9, 2009 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huge difference between Austin and Stanback....lol..
Austin knows how to be a WR. Stanback does not. Not even close….
by Boyzfan94 on Apr 9, 2009 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
-1
I can only guess you are talking about his lack of experience in the position. I believe Austin was drafted 4 years ago and Stanback 3. Stanback has plenty of time to understand the position even though he was a half back/qb in college.
I would certainly say that there isn’t a ‘huge’ difference between the two.
by Mojoness on Apr 9, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not even close and if you can't see it I can't help you....
Austin is a WR, was in college and is considered a veteran at the position. Will only get better..
Stanback was a QB in college, played very little WR and hasn’t shown much other than flashes on special teams and getting injured. He has a long long ways to go before he is where Austin is now. Austin will be the #2 WR on this team, Stanback is light years away. Stanback may not even be on this team come this time next season. He has to show something this year or see ya….
by Boyzfan94 on Apr 9, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand the-
‘Look he caught a touchdown!’ syndrome… It is generally understood that the last guy to do something for the team is the guy that gets the love.
And hey I like Austin. He has started to come on and definately is the front-runner for a starting position. But-
Austin has gotten injured as well and the guy has… What was it 18 CAREER receptions and he is untouchable?
Any one of our recievers can have the ‘light come on’ and have a great year. Thats the way the position tends to work…
by Mojoness on Apr 9, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I kinda like Stanback… And as far as Austin is concerned? I am not drinking the cool-aid yet.
by Mojoness on Apr 9, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you.....
On Sirius yesterday, Shein and Solomon Wilcox were saying that it would be a great deal for Dallas to get a 2nd round pick for Austin.
by texstar on Apr 9, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As far as trading Austin
I would for sure trade him for Jackson, he has been good and is getting better with San Diego. Reggie Brown hasn’t been bad but I don’t think he has that much upside. He is probably about as good as he’s going to be. Bradley has been a major disapointment but might be getting better with Kansas City. Parrish is a solid return man. I don’t think that Murphy is still in the league so he’s out. Really only Jackson is the player I would trade him for.
by jack dein on Apr 8, 2009 8:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Vincent Jackson
In a heartbeat. That guy’s good.
I do love me some Austin, though. He’s the only guy currently on the roster I’m comfortable with starting opposite Roy Williams.
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by the red scare on Apr 8, 2009 8:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Interesting bit of info about Jackson
It took him 4 years to take the next step, he had a bad first year, 2 average ones (with 23 starts!) and then he blossomed in his contract year… I’ve heard about players wowing people in their contract years and then they fade into obscurity again…
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by Chandus on Apr 8, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jackson also came out of a small school in Northern Colorado. That’s really not none for producing NFL players. He has steadily gotten better though in all four of those years. He’s big and has good speed.
by jack dein on Apr 8, 2009 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't matter
What wide receivers are there, what matters is the best player available. I’m sure there would be a better player than Austin on the board, it would be up to us to figure out who.
by DoomsdayD75 on Apr 8, 2009 8:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
I highly doubt if JJ lets Miles go for and gets a 2nd in return he’d use it on a WR. No Way. In fact I’d bet on it. Theres no way they would use the pick they get from the jets on a WR. We have plenty of playmakers on Offense. The cowboys need valuable depth at OL DL LB S.
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by thebigham on Apr 8, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For those who flippantly say trade Miles Austin for a second rounder, consider this...
… the majority of rookie WRs seldom make an impact their rookie season. In fact, for most wideouts, their third year in the league is when they finally put it all together.
Do we wanna have to wait a few years before this 2nd round receiver finally contributes?
Austin has several seasons of our system under his belt.
Think about that. The delay of adjusting to the pros AND learning a team’s offensive scheme AND adapting to the higher level of physicality, mentality, and aptitude.
That’s a lot. And let’s not discount that.
Miles is ready now. He’s pass all of that.
I’d rather have that than having to impatiently wait for some rookie to endure the learning curve and take time to develop.
With #19, there’s no more learning curve that we fans have to wait on. It’s just a matter of him staying healthy and being a more consistent playmaker.
With TO now gone, Austin finally has more of an opportunity.
I pray that he takes advantage of it this upcoming season.
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by silverblue5 on Apr 8, 2009 8:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
To me it's really only a matter of can he stay healthy
I really believe he is ready to break out if he can stay on the field.
Regarding trading him, I don’t think there’s any way. If TO was still here I’d say there was a chance but with the depleted depth there now, no way.
by StillHateTheGiants on Apr 8, 2009 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he is banged up, because he had to play ST, if
he is left to play WR only he’ll be fine
by dcfanz on Apr 9, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Austin didn't get hurt playing special teams though....
by texstar on Apr 9, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes he did
Or at least at the first of the year he did.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 9, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
In the preaseason after he had a nice little drive he got hurt on special teams.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 9, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about the one that happened during the season?
or am I confusing him with Hurd?
by texstar on Apr 9, 2009 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't remember what happened during the season
I’m sure he got hurt, but this whole “he’s brittle” thing is a LITTLE blown out of proportion.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 10, 2009 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He scored a TD...
…and then on the ensuing kickoff he hurt his shoulder covering the kick. I believe it was the Green Bay game.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Apr 10, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the argument isn't "take a WR with the 2nd"
But just take a player who may be more valuable than Austin. It may also provide Dallas with enough options to trade back into the first round. Not saying it’ll happen, or even that it should. It’s just an interesting option.
I’m a huge Austin fan, though. I’d hate to see him go. With his youth, potential, and speed, he’d be extremely hard to replace. A guy like Holt would be interesting, but he wouldn’t have the longevity Miles has. Austin, if he pans out, could be our #2 for a very long time, and that’s exciting.
But man, two back to back picks, in the second round no less, is very tempting. Not something to scoff at. We still have an absurd tight end duo, an awesome trio of running backs, a Pro Bowl receiver, and a Pro Bowl QB. That’s 4 Pro Bowlers(Romo, Witten, Williams, and MB3), and 3 great young players with loads of potential(Felix, MartyB, and Choice). I think it’s pretty much a win-win situation either way.
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by the red scare on Apr 8, 2009 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Without Austin
I’m not sure we have anyone to stretch the field. I don’t think this can be understated. In very limited nfl time, we’ve seen austin beat quite a few cbs deep. Without TO and without him, defenses will have a much easier job containing our offense I think.
by foyesboys on Apr 8, 2009 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do agree there, to a certain extent
But this offense still has a speed demon or two. Felix, for instance. Assuming he stays healthy, they’ll have plenty of speed on offense. Roy’s no slug, either. Plus, they could still target a faster guy in the draft, or go after a guy like FA Matt Jones. There’s plenty of options not named Miles Austin. I’m still hoping he stays, but at the end of the day, if he’s gone, we’ve got a lot of ammo in the draft to do pretty much whatever we want with.
I do really like Austin, and on our current roster he is in fact the best available option to start as the #2 guy. The option to have two back to back picks in the second just has me salivating at all the possibilities.
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by the red scare on Apr 8, 2009 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What Red Scare said ...
I would take the 2nd rounder for Austin, but I wouldnt use the pick on a WR. Instead I would use our bevy of picks to get two WRs later in the draft (4th, 5th or 6th round.) We have so many needs (S, CB, NT, ILB, OL) that are more pressing in my eyes than WR. I would love to develop a young stud who can turn into a #1 one day. But that same statement can be said about S, CB, NT, ILB, OL, etc. I think we take the BPA as long as its not a RB or TE where we are stocked. Every other position on this team could use some help.
I love that people and other teams are excited about Austin. I hope he takes huge strides this season to being a Pro Bowl type player. But knowing what we know about him at this very moment … he is not as valuable as the 52nd overall pick in this draft. Dallas could plug in a stopgap receiver for a year or two from free agency. We would be fine. And we all know this is a mute point because the Jets wont make him an offer Dallas doesnt match.
by TCBinNYC on Apr 9, 2009 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cowboys will sign Austin
as this isn’t the Raiders we’re talking about, it’s the Jets and Rex Ryan isn’t going to overpay for a WR who has potential only at this point.
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by Terry on Apr 8, 2009 9:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
IMO we still should sign a veteran
Stanback and Austin are both injury prone. Can they stay healthy? How many WR’s not named TO were injured last year? Even if they don’t get injured the 2009 Cowboys would be taking a big chance not having insurance. If they do get injured, they are screwed, glued and tattooed. This might limit Austin, but what if he gets hurt again? Sam Hurd? I don’t think so.
Torry Holt
Amani Toomer
who else comes to mind?
by torchindefenses on Apr 8, 2009 9:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Holt
Isn’t in Dallas’s price range.
I’m a HUGE Holt fan, but that is not happening more than likely.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 8, 2009 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Toomer
From what i’ve read, his play REALLY dropped off last year. We’re much better off with austin than him.
If we did do the trade, I’d be for signing holt – we’d need the help and hed probably come cheaper than most expect – theres gotta be a reason he hasn’t been signed yet.
by foyesboys on Apr 8, 2009 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, but Austin's injury history pales in comparison to Holt
Yes, Holt has already accomplished a whole heck of a lot more, but click on this link to see his list of injuries over the course of his career and what body part is listed the most?
If you said “knee,” you’re a winner.
And here’s one team with a stable of young WRs, who expressed some worries about the veteran receiver:
The San Francisco 49ers are one of several teams cautiously contemplating signing the former All-Pro wideout, but the right knee concerns have them worried.
The 49ers are keeping the door ajar for Torry Holt, but they are very skeptical about the veteran receiver’s right knee. Holt, who has been to seven Pro Bowls, was recently released by St. Louis, which owed him a $1.25 million bonus that was due tomorrow. Holt’s agent has not contacted the 49ers and Holt, according to the Nashville City Paper, is currently vacationing out of the country. Other receiver-needy teams have said they have no interest in Holt.
Holt’s knee problems began in 2005, causing him to miss two games that season. Though he played in all 16 games in 2006, he was limping badly after the season finale and had surgery in February of 2007 to repair torn cartilage in the knee. Despite the surgery, Holt caught 93 passes for 1,189 yards and seven touchdowns that season, and he was voted to his seventh Pro Bowl.
This past season, however, all of Holt’s statistics dropped. With rookie Donnie Avery in the lineup, Holt, 32, said in late October that it felt he was being phased out of the offense. He caught 64 passes for 796 yards and three touchdowns in 2008. The 796 yards was his lowest total since his rookie season in 1999, and his 12.4-yards-per catch average was the lowest of his career.
Here’s the source of the info mentioned above.
Miles Austin hasn’t been in the league that long, and has a lot less tread than the likes of Torry Holt and Amani Toomer.
And he knows our system. Heck, he’s very experienced in our offensive scheme. Let’s not discount that. This isn’t fantasy football.
Austin was injured twice last season and that makes him “injury proned?” Prior to 2008, his problem was hanging on the ball. And he corrected that this past year.
So let me get this straight, he’s entering his fourth season, and out of the previous three seasons, he had one where he suffered two injuries and he’s considered “injury proned?”
You wanna know Austin’s NFL injury history, here you go…
But two knee injuries – one suffered in the preseason and another in Week 11 at Washington – kept Austin out of four games last season, just as he appeared on the verge of becoming a bigger part of the offense.
Two knee injuries – both in one season (2008) – and none in the two seasons before that. Granted, I am concerned, but when you compared his 08 injury history to 2006 through 2007, it’s inaccurate to describe him as injury proned.
How da heck does that make Austin injury proned? Let’s compare this to the Torry Holt link at this stage of his accomplished career. This isn’t the Holt of his first four NFL seasons, mind you.
No, I’m not comparing their achievements. Not stupid here. Holt has the more decorated stats and an SB ring and seven pro bowls. I loved watching him in his prime. But he’s past that thanks to the knee problems at this stage of his career. Let’s not discount that. We’re not contemplating signing the Big Game Holt of yesteryear.
Guess it’s just me, but I won’t allow the facts to get in the way. I’ll take the ascending receiver who’s seasoned in our system, thank you.
As of this post, Miles Austin is NOT injury proned.
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by silverblue5 on Apr 9, 2009 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember that preseason one occured against the Broncos covering a kick just after he caught a TD from Brad.
Hopefully, he won’t be on that unit anymore, especially during the preseason.
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by Aaron Novinger on Apr 9, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good post.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 9, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The most important thing for me...
…is the DECADE in age difference between the two. You lose Austin and sign Torry Holt, and you’ve still got two big problems:
1) You don’t have a deep threat WR on your roster; Holt’s a possession guy, not a burner, at this point in his career
2) You’re looking for a #2 WR again next season, because Holt has 1 year left of productivity. 2 years max.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Apr 9, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup.
Austin > Holt at this point in their careers.
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 9, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matt Jones
Red and Black!! Red and Black!! Red and Black!! Congrats boys first time in team history over .500
by aussie_cowboy on Apr 10, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Personally...
I think alot is being made of nothing. The Jets haven’t even made an offer yet.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 8, 2009 9:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dallas
has already indicated what they feel Austin is worth. He has potential but if the Jets or anybody else is will to part with a 2nd I think Jerry will take it . I too would love to see Holt on a short incentive laden contract but only if Austin goes. Got to give the players a chance to show what they have got. Could they really be willing to give up a second with his past injury problems. I can’t see it.
by oldboysfan on Apr 8, 2009 9:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What I'm saying is that we need a veteran even with Austin staying put
We need another WR with experience.
by torchindefenses on Apr 8, 2009 10:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i don't really think so
Crayton and Hurd are good enough for depth purposes – stanback is entering his third year too. One of the more disappointing aspects of last season was that Romo’s connection with Crayton kinda dissolved with the Roy trade, In 2007, Crayton was a dependable player for us, ESPECIALLY in the red zone where I remember him having a few huge plays. Once Roy was brought on…the only memorable play by crayton for me was the td against the giants.
I think Roy, Austin and Crayton combined with our talent at wr and te should give us more than enough to work with.
by foyesboys on Apr 8, 2009 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Jets...
Poison Pill for him then who says that we have to draft one that early, there are still some good guys out there ex. Torry Holt, Marvin Harrison, I think Jerry Porter is also out there too, we could draft another guy in the later rounds that is the same as Austin, Demetrius Byrd, Tall, and real Fast and let him develop and we would have better positioning as well as more freedom in the second round as well
by nicholas.rodriguez on Apr 9, 2009 1:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
NO...to Harrison, Holt...
We got rid of an old WR who is better than those two. Why would we want another old WR who isn’t as good. Expect to draft a WR with our 2nd rounder or move into the first if we lose Austin. Macklin or Harvin would be nice…
by Boyzfan94 on Apr 9, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Off-topic, but I'll worry when Austin actually gets an offer-But what an interview by Troy Aikman on the whole TO/Romo/chemistry thing.
All I can say is,
“What he said.”
Everyone here needs to read what he said.
by Realist Larry on Apr 9, 2009 1:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If we get a second
I say it would be wise to use some combo of picks and players (Carp?) to trade for a slightly more accomplished Miles clone. Drafting on the first day pans out less often than not and often in a guys 3rd yr…
by Goyogringo on Apr 11, 2009 2:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather have Miles than a hypothetical Miles clone, though
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Apr 11, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
s/b "...drafting a WR on the first day..."
Yeah I would too but there was some talk of a front-loaded contract making him an unrealistic sign so i think I wouldn’t freak out too much if miles left. I like the idea of trading for someone like him (with a pick and carp eg) and the greater likelihood that we hit on a LB in the draft over against a WR.
by Goyogringo on Apr 11, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry, off my game today,
that was for you TW
by Goyogringo on Apr 11, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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