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Cowboys Offense '09: Is it Tiki Barber Time for Felix Jones?

Another year, another running back controversy. 

Debating running back carries and value has become the favored topic among Cowboys' faithful.  In '06 and '07 the Marion-vs.-Julius debate was in full roar.  Last year, there was much preseason debate about Dallas' selection of Felix Jones, and whether Rashard Mendenhall should have been the pick.  Once Jones showed big play abilities, a hint of a Felix-vs.-Marion debate began, though Jones went down with injury before it could erupt.

That didn't mean MarionBarber was safe.  He was the people's choice over Julius Jones, but when Tashard Choice showed he could handle a heavy load in December -- while Barber gimped around on a dislocated pinkie toe -- some fans were in fact calling for number 24 to be shipped out of town for the first big-name receiver available. 

The bigger question, entering 2009, is how the Cowboys will use their lode of rushing talent? 

Answering the big question means first answering a series of smaller ones.  To begin, how much will Dallas run the ball?

Star-divide

Let's begin by looking at Dallas' run/pass blends for '07 and '08.  The Cowboys ran almost exact play totals each year -- 950 in Jason Garrett's first year and 948 last year.  That's just over 59 plays a game.  To keep things simple, I'm going to:

a.  assume that Dallas keeps the same number of plays this year and;

b.  round the total to 60 plays per game.

Let's now look at the percentage or runs and passes Garrett called each year.  In '07, when Dallas ranked in the top five, it ran 44% of the time and passed 56%, a ratio in line with other top-ranked offenses.  Last year, the blend was more extreme, a 42-58% run-pass mix. 

That makes Garrett seem as if he's gone all Mouse Davis on us, but his play sheet didn't vary that much.  Going from a 44 to a 42% run mix means he called an average of one fewer run per game, compared to the season before. 

Let's now assume that Dallas will tweak its game plans to get closer to a 50/50 mix.  For argument's sake, let us say that Dallas goes to a 48/52 run to pass ratio.  (Those road kings, the Giants, were at nearly 50/50, in case you're wondering.)

Getting to 48% means Dallas calls four more runs than last year and three more than in '07.  Consequently, that means four fewer passes.  Again, assuming 60 plays a game, that means 29 running attempts a contest and 31 pass attempts.

The second question, is who gets those carries?  How can they be distributed to maximize each runner's skills? 

I'm going to begin with a second assumption that might not make some fans happy.  I think 29 carries are too few to split three ways.  I think Dallas is going to give heavy carries to its top power back -- Barber -- and to its speed back Jones.  Choice will get on the field, but his total carries will be far fewer. 

Look at New York's blueprint.  They had the NFL's best ground game last year and averaged 29 rushes per contest, the number I'm assuming Dallas will call this year.  Giants OC Kevin Gilbride distributed the touches thusly:

  • Brandon Jacobs -- 14 carries per game;
  • Derrick Ward -- 11 carries per game;
  • Ahmad Bradshaw -- 4 carries per game.

Bradshaw may have wanted more, but who can criticize the results?  Jacobs and Ward both topped 1,000 yards.

I think Dallas will split the carries in a similar fashion, and I'm not using New York's benchmarks as my only guide.  Let's look at Dallas' '07 distribution.  Recall that Julius Jones started those games and that Barber took a bigger role as the games progressed, taking over completely in the 4th quarters:

  • Barber -- 13 carries and 2.6 receptions per game
  • Jones -- 10 carries and 1.5 receptions per game

As you can see, Marion and Julius carried the ball about the same amount that the Giants' guys did.  And those numbers worked well for Barber.  He averaged 4.8 yards a carry and made the Pro Bowl. 

Last year, Barber carried a much, much heavier load.  One reason may have been to justify his immense new contract.  The more likely reason was the uncertainty over Jones' and Choice's readiness.  Whatever the case,  Barber went from 16 touches a game to 25 (20 carries and five receptions) touches last year, and his production suffered.  Barber's yards per attempt dipped to 3.7, about what Julius averaged in his last year as a Cowboy.

I think Dallas will dial Marion's touches back to his '07 numbers, figuring a fresher player will be better able to finish games the way he did that year. 

The team also needs to give Felix Jones a much bigger role.  Last season he got half a dozen touches in his healthy month and a half.  I'm going to predict he'll get Julius' '07 workload:  the starts, and 10-11 carries per game. I'm also going to assume he'll get at least half of Dallas' running back receptions.  Barber and Choice both averaged 5 catcher per game and both topped 8.0 yards per reception.

I can see Dallas keeping that five passes per game average to its backs.  I can also see it rising to maybe six catches per game for the group.  I see Jones getting at least two catches per season, maybe three.  He caught only two passes last year, but he's the most dangerous receiving threat.  Jones made linebackers look slow and stupid every day at Oxnard catching simple circles,delays and flares.  Garrett ran screen passes to backs and tight ends very effectively last year, but never to Jones.  There's no reason for Jones to finish with fewer than 32 to 35 receptions in this coming campaign.

I  want him to catch even more.  When I see Felix Jones, I see a younger, slightly bigger version of Tiki Barber.  Like Jones, this Barber entered the league as a "change up back," who returned kicks and caught far more often than he ran the ball.

Starting in 2000, his OC Jim Fassell began to platoon Barber with power back Ron Dayne, with carry splits very similar to Julius' and Marion's from '07.  Barber showed he could be the feature back and soon made Dayne the change-up:  between 2000 and 2006, Barber averaged 1885 yards from scrimmage, 1359 on the ground and 526 through the air.  He caught an average of 63 passes a season, roughly four a game.

Jones has Barber's game.  He's fast and elusive.  He can catch the ball.  He's also bigger.  Tiki played at 5'10", 205.  Jones is 6'0" and weighed 200 or 205 lbs. last year, depending on your source.  The Cowboys site, which is very accurate with player weights, now lists Felix at 212 lbs.  He's used his rehab time wisely. 

Felix averaged 8.9 yards a carry as a rookie.  He's a touchdown threat every time he gets the ball. He was underused last season.  He's that Tiki-like torch who can ignite the offense and offset some of T.O.'s lost production. 

2009 should be Tiki Barber Time for Felix Jones.

 

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First! Nice You said Tiki Torch!mwahahaha.

From your mouth to red headed jesus ears raf. how do you think Choice will be utilised? Or is he going to be primarily depth?

Don't believe everything you think.

Your causes are cute!!!

by stoproyce on May 13, 2009 3:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, we can call Felix "The Tiki Torch!"

Dress people up in Hawaiian shirts! Get the Mai-tais mixed!

by Rafael Vela on May 13, 2009 3:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I should add

Tiki Barber was a Cowboys killer his last three or four seasons. It would be nice to turn his clone loose on the division.

by Rafael Vela on May 13, 2009 3:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yay!

Thanks Raf!

You know… I can’t think of anyone in the division I hated facing more than Tiki.

Westbrook maybe?

McGruber!

by Mojoness on May 13, 2009 3:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I couldn't agree more Raf, great post

However, not only is Felix bigger than Tiki, he’s much faster as well. The kid is special, no question about it.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on May 13, 2009 3:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The kid is special, no question about it? comments from Terry during the 08 draft day

 MENDENHALL!!! PLEASE!!!

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 26, 2008 2:31 PM PDT reply reply actions actions 0 recs

…FELIX IS ANNOUNCED AS THE PICK…

 can’t believe Jones passed up

the best back in the draft

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 26, 2008 2:41 PM PDT reply reply actions actions 0 rec

ABOVE TERRY IS TALKING ABOUT MENDENHALL AGAIN

this totally sucks

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 26, 2008 2:52 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs

 wow, what a reach!

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 26, 2008 2:52 PM PDT reply reply actions actions 0 recs

 ESPN also said Mendenhall was our 2nd rated back

guess Jerry doesn’t go by his scouts or board

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 26, 2008 3:24 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs

 I agree, I can’t understand how Jones

complements MB3 better than mendenhall as he is just as fast as Jones but is a much better blocker.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 26, 2008 4:31 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs

THIS NEXT ONE ISN’T ABOUT FELIX BUT IT IS A FUN READ

 so glad Philly took Jackson

he has bust written all over him

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 26, 2008 4:55 PM PDT reply reply actions actions 0 recs

 Jones is a really good back

but Mendenhall is much better, will be a star with Pittburgh. I thought Jerry blew this one.

Jenkins has the measurables, but looks lazy a lot of times to me. Cason will be a better pro.

Bennett was a good pick, needed a dynamic TE backing up all world Witten.

I’d grade our first day B-

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 26, 2008 6:38 PM PDT reply reply actions actions 0 recs

I live overseas so I don’t see any college football, so draft day is learning about the new Dallas Cowboys players. The draft is my second favorite day of football behind any Cowboys win.

by christmasisdraftday on May 14, 2009 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hahaha,

That was pretty funny. I guess we’re all wrong on the draft from time to time. What I’d like to read is Terry’s comments on his lord and saviour Romo when he first got here as an undrafted free agent :)

Terry and Tex are like two polar opposite peas in a pod. One damns and attacks Romo in nearly every post and the other one praises or defends him in nearly every post. One posts very rarely and obviously has a sense of humor about his charge and the other one posts incessantly and seems to have no sense of humor about his.

by Luke. on May 14, 2009 2:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Continuing w/ Terry and Tex...

… and one is right, Romo is a great QB that has proven it on the field… while the other is an incessant pessimist.

LOL … I am also a big Romo fan. And I don’t understand how people can be so down on the guy. All he did last year was run for his life behind a patchwork line. Even when the line was together against the Giants in the playoffs, Romo was under WAY TOO MUCH pressure. Yet how it’s all Romo’s fault is beyond me.

The guy is a stud. He’s shown up in MANY big games for the Cowboys. He even almost won that Giants game, despite all the mistakes by everyone around him. The facts of QB rating speak for themselves.

I understand how a casual fan can point to a few Romo mistakes and then try to blame our troubles on him… but any real fan that has watched Romo every week and sees the many times he has been our saving grace, how can you not see Romo is a top-tier QB? If Peyton Manning didn’t get that Ring, would he be a failure? Playoff wins will come, give the guy some time.

Having said the above… this clip of Terry comments – and all the draft nay-sayers – is great. I can’t wait to see a similar clipping after this year.

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by DalaiLuke on May 14, 2009 3:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I never said anything against Romo so you don't need to defend Romo to me.

I’m one of his biggest fans and have been as soon as a saw him play. But like many players on this team Romo’s not perfect and needs to improve some aspects of his game. He needs to work on ball security and continue to improve his decision making. Of course everything that goes wrong is not Romo’s fault, that’s just silly, but conversely saying nothing is ever Romo’s fault is silly too.

There’s plenty of players on this team who need to improve their game and Romo’s not the top of the list of concerns by far but he does need to continue to improve (like others) and because he is a very good player who works hard I think he will succeed. In fact I was writing up a Fanpost today about how I see that possibly unfolding.

by Luke. on May 14, 2009 3:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The thing about Romo is...

when we take the field with him at QB I always feel like we can win any game, any time, anywhere. And after many lean years I really love having that feeling.

by Luke. on May 14, 2009 3:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

how true is that?

I remember feeling like that with Staubach … didn’t matter the score. He started that legend against the 49ers in the playoffs, rallying the Boys to three late scores for the victory. And then he just did it again and again and again.

I didn’t mean to leave you the idea my reply was directed at you… I was just continuing the Terry – Tex theme.

And, I agree Romo has room for improvement – lots of room. But when you are arguably one of the top – 5 guys at your position, you shouldn’t be blamed for the team’s failures.

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by DalaiLuke on May 14, 2009 6:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was surprised

that we took Felix over Mendenhall as well. Obviously I didn’t realize Felix was much, much faster than his 40 time had us believe. Just another reason to trust the freaking tape.

Mendenhall and Jones are both going to be good players and it would not surprise me to see them both starting in the next couple of years. I’m glad we took Felix though, I love that guy.

Terry was dead on about Jenkins though. From what I’ve seen he fits that mold to a T. I wish we had taken DeSean Jackson over him.

by DoomsdayD75 on May 14, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just for the record Luke

I have never said Romo is perfect or without flaws or doesn’t have a lot of room to improve, I actually wrote a post right after the season saying as much. I described him as a wild mustang, who definitely needs to be tamed.

Just because I defend him against unfair criticism doesn’t mean I think he’s perfect.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on May 14, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Idon't know if he's much faster

Tiki ran in an option atack at VIrginia and he had wheels. I still remember him getting to the corner repeatedly in the Wahoos upset of Florida State.

I’d be happy if Felix were just as fast.

by Rafael Vela on May 13, 2009 3:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Felix is pretty explosive

at least from what I saw, maybe you and Grizz will have a much better perspective when you’re live and in person at camp.

You can give a full report on how fast and explosive Felix really looks.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on May 13, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess we're talking about early and mid career Tiki...

…not late career Tiki, when he started taking HGH (I believe), his head swelled to about twice the size of his twin brother Ronde’s, and his weight went up to the point where he could be more of a powerful, every down back. Because Felix is definitely faster than that version of Tiki, which is the one that is freshest in our minds. But recall Barber’s coming out game, the game that made him more than a role player in the league— the one where he beat the Cowboys with a 4th quarter punt return (either in 1999 or 2000, can’t remember which). That Tiki was much more explosive.

God I hated Tiki Barber.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on May 13, 2009 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I find the shell game to be interesting...

Similar to the Gs last year we have a-

Who are you going to prepare for? Power running or speed back?

McGruber!

by Mojoness on May 13, 2009 3:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Even our Qb has a little elusiveness

I would hate to be an opposing d-lineman watching film for game day

McGruber!

by Mojoness on May 13, 2009 3:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

All Active?

At the beginning of last season, with all 3 RBs healthy, were they all active on gameday?

by doomsdayreturns on May 13, 2009 4:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes.

Because Choice played special teams as well.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by AirforceBat on May 13, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It depends on RW, but...

I can see more passes for the rbacks this year than what you are forecasting. I agree that the runs will be pretty close, simply because where do they come from. Well the only place is they can come from is longer time of possession.

You know…if we could hold on to the ball for 48 minutes a game, the backs would be happy, the receivers would be happy, the defense would be happy, I would be happy…yeah, yeah, lets do that!

by shaneshot on May 13, 2009 4:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Tiki was a great example of addition by subtraction in NY

I really hope the comparisons of felix to him stop at the running style.

by THEjarhead on May 13, 2009 5:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It's all about the O-line

I think the three players are all capable in their own way. Better to have the three than just one to keep them fresh but their effectiveness will be fdetermined by the O-line play. I hink Barber suffered his decline last year because he ran into walls all the time.

by ManTab on May 13, 2009 5:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice article Raf

But I was wondering if you mixed up the words ‘season’ and ‘game’ in this sentence?

I can also see it rising to maybe six catches per game for the group. I see Jones getting at least two catches per season, maybe three.

by hiafex on May 13, 2009 5:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Raf - key problem with the article and its critical but flawed stat (run/pass mix)...

…is that there’s an implicit assumption in your write-up that the run/pass mix is somehow the offensive coordinator’s choice independent of other game management concerns. As if a coach could decide or will his way towards a 50/50 mix. This is not reality. The run/pass mix is more so an outcome of the game, not a strategic choice during the game. Please read on if you’re willing to give me a chance to explain.

I’d bet big (for me that’s a $1 bet) that if you look at the 10 most losing teams in the NFL, you’ll find a much greater number of passes in the run/pass mix. Why? Two primary causes (1) they’re losing and have to pass to score and (2) they’re failing on 1st and 2nd down and have 3rd and long to go.

Could the “poor” mix be a result of the offensive coordinator being a moron and just predictably calling pass plays? That’s extremely unlikely. Extremely. If that team is netting 2 yards on 1st and 2nd down (run or pass)… the coordinator is probably throwing on 3rd and long. Moron or not.

And if you look at the top 10 most wining teams in the NFL, you’ll find a much greater number of runs in the run/pass mix. Why? Same exact causes: (1) they’re wining and want to run-out the clock and (2) are probably succeeding on 1st and 2nd and have 3rd and short more often.

So, is it reasonable to “assume that Dallas will tweak its game plans to get closer to a 50/50 mix.” I say no. That 50-50 split would be a result of the Cowboys being effective on 1st and 2nd down and/or taking leads late into the 4th quarter. The mix is not a choice, its an outcome.

Raf, I don’t have the stats for my argument but I think they stand to good football reason.

by Eagles suck on May 13, 2009 6:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice counter-argument

Those scenarios should not be discounted when analyzing run to pass ratios.

by hiafex on May 13, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dallas was committed to the pass 1st leading towards a high pass mix

We can tell from games like Minnesotta 2 years ago that Jason Garrette calls an intellegent, creative game that favors the pass to open up the run. There have been many others.

If Dallas is going to have an assertive Run game, Dallas will have to be more committed to the Run game, knowing that plays will be wasted going 1 yard to find the one that goes 10 yards.

Furthermore I conject that Tashard Choice did not enter the season earlier because Dallas under practiced running plays and never saw the extent of Talent at RB for that reason.

by AustonianAggie on May 13, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

disagree on why Choice did not get in

When you have a feature back (MBIII) … and then you grab a play-maker with your first-round pick (Felix)… there simply are no touches left for your #3 back. He’s there to play special teams and as insurance against injuries. More running plays (we’re talking 3-4 plays here) would not change this scenario.

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by DalaiLuke on May 14, 2009 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are correct sir (Eagles suck) pretty much.

5 Worst Teams:

Lions……..509 Passes 352 Rushes
Rams…….520 ………… 417
Chiefs……541…………. 379
Bengals…513 …………. 420
Browns….488………….. 409

Five out of Five had more rushing attempts. Most over or near 100.

5 Best Teams

Titans……. 453 Passes 508 Rushes
Giants…….503………… 502
Steelers….506…………. 460
Panthers…414…………. 504
Colts……….585………… 370

Titans,Panthers………..Edge on running
Giants……………………Dead Heat
Steelers…………………Edge on Passing
Colts……………………..Huge edge Passing

I would say this tends to support you argument. Certainly with the losing teams.
The Colts are obviously a passing team. So too, the Steelers, to a lesser degree, with ‘Big Ben.’

by GeoMak on May 13, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Titans, Giants, Steelers, Panthers and Colts all have expensive running backs

and a long standing commitment to run; their success came from their runs. Dallas had a better passing attack than the GIants the last two years but that did not net them the success of the Giants
How often does Dallas open a game with a slew of passes? Then before we knew it Dallas had another 3 & Out. Dallas was not usually more than a score out of a game last year. The many 8 straight pass calls when the came was undecided clearly re-enforces that Dallas is pass 1st.

A commitment to running requires running even when the passing game isn’t working. Dallas tried to pass it’s way out of bad passing games. If Dallas didn’t pass it’s way to a quick lead, it’d keep passing

by AustonianAggie on May 13, 2009 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Says Eagles Suck:

“And if you look at the top 10 most wining teams in the NFL, you’ll find a much greater number of runs in the run/pass mix. "

Uh, no. Not even close.

The top four seeded teams in ’07, run/pass ratios:

Patriots 43/57
Cowboys 44/56
Colts 45/55
Packers 41/59

Four pass-happy teams.

Let’s look at the final four playoff contenders last year:

Ravens 58/42
Steelers 46/54
Eagles 41/59
Cardinals 35/65

The Ravens were the only team over 50% in its run percentage, and that’s cause they were protecting
Flacco. I’m guessing his passing ratio will go way up this year.

“Raf, I don’t have the stats for my argument but I think they stand to good football reason.”

You don’t have the stats cause they don’t exist .

by Rafael Vela on May 13, 2009 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

One reason we're seeing such skews is that a lot of teams,

and I mean a lot, Dallas included, pass first and then run late.

Very few teams have the patience to run for four quarters. First, you need a big time defense to pull it off. See Baltimore. Or they have a decent QB and a not so good WR corps . See Tennessee.

Dallas, in the glory days of the ‘90s, was a 50/50 team. They passed for leads and then turned Emmitt loose in the second half. That’s what Jason Garrett has done in Dallas and what New England has done with Tom Brady.

But even then, the first half calls skew so heavy to pass that even if you’re grinding it out, you’re not getting to 50/50. There are a lot more teams that call games like the Colts than there are who call games like the ’08 Giants.

by Rafael Vela on May 13, 2009 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yoo are somewhat misrepresenting Eagles suck

He said: if you look at the 10 most losing teams in the NFL, you’ll find a much greater number of passes in the run/pass mix.

I crunched the worst 5, and they were all ‘pass heavy.’ He was 100% correct there (in that SMALL sample).

Conversely, he said: And if you look at the top 10 most wining teams in the NFL, you’ll find a much greater number of runs in the run/pass mix.

Looking at the best 5, you get 2-2-1. He was basically 50% correct there.

You misrepresented him there because:

A). He was talking top and bottom regular season. You went with the final four. That’s incorrect. That’s not what he was talking about.

Why? You have to go apples to apples. Regular season (winningest) to regular season (losingest).
If you use the four Chamionship teams as your winningest, then what are the four ‘losingest’ teams?
The four teams with the worse records (cause there is no ‘opposite’ of playoff teams’? If so, then those would be the four worst REGULAR season teams. Then to keep it ‘apples to apples’ you would have to compare them to the four best REGULAR season teams.

That’s why all records in sports are based on regular season and not the postseason.

The fact is this: Some teams, through personnel and philosophy, are built to pass (Eagles, Cardinals and Steelers) and some are built to run.

Beyond that, he makes a valid point. Often, losing teams have to pass more because they are behind early and often. Conversely, sometimes ‘passing teams’ will run at the end of the game to chew up clock.

by GeoMak on May 13, 2009 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A lot of the logic is circular here...

I don’t know that Eagles Suck really has what is cause and what is effect distinguished correctly.

GeoMak, on your last point there, I would contend that the Eagles actually have current personnel better built to run. They’ve got an OL of run game maulers and questionable pass blockers, they’ve got a top RB who CAN run inside despite stereotypes that say otherwise, and they’ve got a QB with questionable accuracy and a noted tendency to get tired or erractic in big moments. The only weak spot is the TEs.

Andy Reid often forces them into pass-heavy gameplans due to his own predilections, but their personnel does not dictate that they should be a pass heavy team. The only times Reid seems to put together a savvy, sane gameplan that effectively mixes both runs and passes are against the Cowboys, which is always where Reid has done his most inspired work.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on May 13, 2009 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm just saying what they do.

Remember after McNabb was benched that one game last season? I think that they then won three out of their next four.

An analyst said that, prior to the benchining, the Eagles were 75-25 or even 80-20 pass to run. After the benching, they were more 60-40 pass run.

This analyst said that they were now winning due more to a balanced offense than anything else.

It’s kind of strange. Seeing how Reid was a former O-Lineman, you would think he’d want to be more ‘smash mouth’ than ‘pass happy.’ But he’s really not.

by GeoMak on May 14, 2009 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Am happy to contribute to

.. an intelligent discussion here. btw., I don’t have the stats because I’m lazy; let’s get it right. Thanks GeoMak.

by Eagles suck on May 14, 2009 3:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not a huge fan of 'stats & numbers'

To me, it’s more important when and how well you do something.

The Arizona Cardinals limped into the playoffs last year at 9-7. They were known as being a passing team. They were the worst rushing team in the NFL last year.

And I thought that their playcalling in the post season (not so much in the SB) was excellent. Starting with their first series in their first game, against the Falcons.

Warner and his pass happy team started the game with three consecutive runs to Edgerrin James, which netted them a first down. On their fourth play, Warner again handed the ball off to James, who pitched it back to Warner, who threw a TD pass to Larry Fitzgerald for a quick TD.

Four plays: Three rushes, one pass, and one TD. That’s 75-25 pass/run ratio.
Obviously, that’s misleading.

They caught Atlanta somewhat off-guard, and the execution on the flea-flicker was flawless.
That’s great football.

BTW: Their % of passes in those four games was:

Atlanta: 53%
Carolina: 42%
Philadelphia: 49%
Pittsburgh (SB): 82%

The Carolina game supports your position. It was their lowest passing percentage. It was also a blowout, so they were chewing up the clock late in that game.

Atlanta & Philadelphia were close to 50/50.
They couldn’t or wouldn’t run in the SB. It was almost all pass.

by GeoMak on May 14, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Steelers and Colts

are passing teams.

Pittsburgh had 1,689 rushing yards as opposed to 3,607 passing yards

Willie Parker: 791
Mewelde Moore: 588
Roethlisberger: 100

Indy had 1,274 rushing yards as opposed to 4,180 passing yards.

Addai: 544
Rhodes: 538

Both teams had a big difference in passing/rushing yardage, as opposed to a team like the Titans, who had 2,902 passing yards and 2,199 rushing yards.

Likewise, the NY Giants had 3,353 yards passing against 2,518 yards rushing.

Clearly, the success of the Steelers and the Colts came from passing, not running, as I stated earlier.

by GeoMak on May 13, 2009 8:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Good stats.

Personally I think you go with whatever is effective anyways.

I don’t think that Raf is saying(and maybe I’m wrong) that he thinks the Cowboys should end up having more rushing yards than passing yards. Just that the ratio of attempts should get closer.

And if it is effective… then that isn’t a bad thing because a more effective rushing game by theory should open the pass up.

Plus, I think that with Felix Jones is not just all about carries. You have to get this guy involved in the passing game.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by AirforceBat on May 13, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Felix Jones is not 6'0"

Nice article Raf and I’ve been thinking the exact same thing about how they’ll split the carries. Also the Tiki – Felix comparison is spot on. I remember using that to try and convince people why we should draft him last year.

As a side note, Jones’ isn’t 6 foot though. His official combine measurements were 5’10" 207. Around camp 08 time Felix said he was just over 210 so being about 212 now sounds about right. I think 5’10" 212 is a better height/weight for a RB than 6’0" 212 anyway.

And yes Felix must get involved in the passing game. Remember preseason, when the armless Johnson would just dump it out to Jones in the flat and then he’d turn it up the field skipping past 3, 4 or even 5 defenders for a 20 or 30 yard gain. Any receiver who could make the 08 Johnson look good deserves more catches.

by Luke. on May 13, 2009 9:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, the Cowboys don't fudge on weights

but nobody told me anything about heights.

I’m with you on this one. I stood next to Felix in camp last year. I’m 5’10". I could look him in the eyes.

by Rafael Vela on May 13, 2009 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1....Felix is 5'10"...recorded at Scouting Combine......

of course, like anyone who’s ever played football, he fudged his measurements a bit in school…..but he’s surely a solid 212 lbs. +…and will probably put on another 5-10 over the next few season or so with no lose in speed or quickness, and I’d probably compare him to Marshall Faulk, if anyone..

by My_2_Cents on May 13, 2009 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good arguments on both sides, although Raf disproved the old theory of winning teams alwasy run.

Even assuming they would have had leads and would then run to protect those leads, it doesn’t always work out that way anymore.

At some point in the last 10 years, gradually, the pass overcame the run as the meat of NFL offenses.

950 plays, 48% runs @ 4 yards per carry = 1824 yards.
950 plays, 52% pass @ 6.5 yards per attempt (last year’s stat) = 3,211 yards.

So, a fairly even split in ATTEMPTS doesn’t equal a fairly even number of YARDS gained.

I’ll take whatever works and leads to wins.

by Realist Larry on May 13, 2009 10:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Felix Jones

I posted a couple of days ago that if Felix stays healthy then he will be a big contributor to the offense. I would wait a few seasons yet to compare him to Tiki but i can see the comparasions. On another note Rafa, now that Goodell has said we might see 2 regular season games here in the UK,will the Cowboys want to come, as the away team?

by scotsman55 on May 14, 2009 4:52 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Just curious...

This is from Peter King’s column this week:

“The Cowboys have 25-, 24- and 22-year-old running backs — Marion Barber, Tashard Choice and Felix Jones, respectively — who last year rushed the ball 360 times for 1,623 yards (4.5-yard average) and 12 touchdowns. Meanwhile, their quarterbacks dropped back to pass 578 times. When your backs are that good, they shouldn’t be handed the ball on 37 percent of the offense snaps. I’m counting on Jason Garrett to make the run game much more of a presence this year. If he does, it’s not a very distant limb to walk out on and say the Cowboys should win their first playoff game since 1996. But I’ve got to see it to believe it.”

The percentage of run plays cited by King (37%) does not jive with the percentage Raf cites above. Is it possible that other run plays— Romo, TO, etc.— make up the missing percentage points?

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on May 14, 2009 10:42 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The Number of Pass Attempts

was 547, not 578

The total number of rushes was 401 (which included rushes by Romo (28) & TO (7) and others like Anderson, Johnson, Crayton and Roy Williams). Based on that they rushed on 42% of their plays, as Raf said.

by GeoMak on May 14, 2009 11:23 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

So Peter King just got the pass attempts number totally wrong?

That seems sloppy, even for him. Is it possible you’re not counting Brad Johnson pass attempts?

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on May 14, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm no fan of Peter King

so I’m not trying to defend him but there’s different ways of looking at the Run to Pass ratio. When you take into account things like QB "runs" and Sacks (which aren’t registered as Pass Attempts) the ratio can move quite a few points. I just wrote a Fanpost about this attempting to take those other things into account and how much it altered Dallas ratio. And as King suggested it skews it much further towards the Pass.

by Luke. on May 14, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tim

Romo……450
Johnson…..78
Bollinger…..17
Crayton……1
Witten…….1

by GeoMak on May 14, 2009 3:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

Sloppy work by King. Awful for a pro journalist.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on May 14, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

FYI

There’s a great website that I use and like a lot. It’s called pro-football-reference.com.

Maybe they are wrong and King knows better. I doubt it though.

What I do is type in, say (2008 Cowboys reference) on google and it’s usually near the top.

At the top of the site it says (previous season/next season) for easily checking from year to year.

Below that are all 16 games plus postseason. You can click on ‘box’ for the box score for each individual game.

Below that are all other stats (passing, rushing, etc) which makes it easy to check things.

I could easily see the 547 pass attempts and who made them. It also shows the opponents 508 attempts.

Likewise with rushing ttotals and anything else.,

It’s a great site. I’m lost without it.

by GeoMak on May 14, 2009 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm pretty sure they're right.

NFL.com has romo at 450 attempts.

The rest seem pretty accurate.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by AirforceBat on May 14, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

Pro-Football-Reference and Football Outsiders are the two I use most frequently.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on May 15, 2009 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

King is a buffoon

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on May 14, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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