The Valley Ranch Review: Tony Romo a Top-Ten QB; Michael Irvin on the Current State of the Cowboys
by Aaron Novinger on May 14, 2009 1:36 PM CDT
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PrintTony Romo rounds out The Sporting News' top 10 quarterbacks, ranking him between Eli Manning (9) and Matt Hasselbeck (11).
The Cowboys' plan to run more in '09 speaks to the strength of their running backs and the relative inexperience and lack of depth at wide receiver. It also raises a flag with regard to the coaches' confidence in Romo after an up-and-down '08 campaign. He will be on a short leash as Dallas looks to limit turnovers and costly errors.
Todd Archer takes his own look at the Romo-to-Roy connection, getting Felix Jones back, and perhaps the most important offseason acquisition: ST coach Joe DeCamillis.
CBSSports includes Dallas' releasing of such players as Terrell Owens and Adam Jones as one of its "smartest, boldest" offseason moves.
Let's hear it for Jerry Jones. One minute he loses his mind and signs these morons; the next, he wises up and discards them. Hallelujah. I applaud Jones for admitting his mistakes. Adding Owens I could almost understand. On second thought, no, I couldn't. If Philadelphia was willing to let him go to a division opponent, just how bad could he be? Dallas found out, with the Cowboys reduced to a weekly ESPN soap opera. Maybe it makes for good TV, but it never made for great football.
The Cowboys didn't win a playoff game with Owens. Pacman, on the other hand, is a waste of time. He seeks out trouble, even when it means messing with the security team Jerry Jones hired to keep him out of the papers. You can't make this stuff up. If he has a future it's as a supporting actor in Reno 911!
More VRR after the jump!
Michael Irvin's 4th and Long sure sounds like it will be an interesting show. The HOFer answered some Qs from TSN about his show, as well as his thoughts on the current state of Cowboys and his reaction to the practice facility collapse.
Q: What do you think of the Cowboys' "addition by subtraction" moves this offseason?
A: We'll have to see how things play out. They shook up the locker room, and with the moves they made it's clear they wanted to go back to being more of a team. It remains to be seen if the technique of cutting down on talent for the sake of unity pays off.[snip]
Q: You once were the Cowboys' No. 1 receiver. What's in front of Roy Williams?
A: Roy has experience as the Lions' No. 1 receiver, but it's a whole lot different in Dallas with the expectations and the pressure. He was on a team in Detroit where losing an average of 14 games was the norm; with the Cowboys, a team with Super Bowl expectations, there's a higher responsibility. Before, he could just get away with making a few big plays. Now, not only does he need to make those plays but he is expected to help lead the Cowboys to wins, too.[snip]
Q: What was your reaction to the collapse at the Cowboys' practice facility May 2? You're hosting a benefit, too, during the TV show's premiere party, right?
A: It was scary. It's a sad situation. My heart goes out to Rich Behm. For him to be paralyzed with three young kids, I can't imagine how tough that is. I've never experienced anything like that in practice, but I was once laying on the hard carpet in Philadelphia, thinking to myself I may never walk again. When we debut the show in Dallas (today), we will be continuing to raise money to help (Behm) and his family see through this.
For both legal reasons and out of respect of those victimized by the indoor practice facility collapse, Jerry Jones and the Cowboys' organization have remained understandably quiet. A few veterans recently expressed their thoughts on the accident.
"I thought, 'If you build a building for the weather, shouldn't it hold " he asked. "It was really a disaster. The up against the weather?' whole place was flat like a pancake."
"I talked to one guy and he's still kinda terrified," Williams said. "In our locker room he keeps looking at the ceiling worried that that might come down. I can't explain what those guys are going through."
"The guys that were hurt you were concerned. Then you hear about Rich and that really gets you," defensive end Marcus Spears said. "His life immediately changed. It's been a wonderful outpouring of people showing concern, but at the end of the day the guy can't walk."
Offensive quality control coach, Wes Phillips, will run the special teams activities while Joe DeCamillis recovers from surgery. Phillips will meet with DeCamillis daily to prepare for next week's OTAs and the June minicamp.
What if T.O. was still a Cowboy? VH-1 instead of HBO cameras will be watching, following the wide receiver's day-to-day life for his new reality show. They will arrive with Owens in Buffalo this weekend as the Bills break into their voluntary mini-camps.
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Whats McNabb done
in the last 4 years to warrant that ranking? Whats Eli done? Romo consistently WON games for us (not the running game as in eli’s case) in his first 35 or so starts. If Romo put up a performance like McNabb did against the Ravens, Bengals or Redskins, half of our fans would be calling for his head. A good finish to the season for mcnabb in the AZ game masks what was a poor year. And ranking palmer at 4 is insane.
But other than that, yea, good list.
Palmer always gets love, yet never gets through a season.
The guy will be retired for years and still be a top 5 QB. I don’t get it either.
Is it too early to ask what round I should aim for Felix in my fantasy football league?
by Aaron Novinger on May 14, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah Palmer, McNappy, and Manning shouldn't be sniffing the top 10
I also think Shaun Hill is a little underrated and should be in the top 20.
Hill does have some game.
I really like the Niners’ draft. If their Oline could block for him, adding Crabtree to Gore & V.Davis will really help Hill out after he wins the starting job.
Is it too early to ask what round I should aim for Felix in my fantasy football league?
by Aaron Novinger on May 14, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions
But...
and I’m not saying this is correct, but he played decent in that game.
I personally don’t think he’s better than Romo, but the dude has a super bowl ring.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
QBs
are always given too much credit for SB titles (Namath, Bradshaw, Roethlisberger) and unfairly criticized for no having any (Tarkenten, Kelly, Marino, Fouts).
IMO, the fact that Eli played on a better team doesn’t make him a better qb.
In Romo we Trust
Mine too.
I’m just saying.
And I think Ben now has a good reason to be given credit. He played his ass off in this last super bowl.
I give him props.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
giants had 21
but a grand total of like 50 yards in their super clutch second half where eli and their offense gave us every opportunity to come back.
on that note
eli played alright in the superbowl. Not great. Probably not even “good”. The pass to tyree was pretty much favrelike BS luck. But the non-tyree portions of that drive were pretty good.
But he also played pretty poorly against us – bailed out by poor tackles from our secondary players and godawful coverage by reeves. When things tightened up in the second half, Eli led the giants to like 52 total yards. We were one score away (Fasano, Crayton) from Eli getting ripped by the media for weeks for their pathetic offense.
what?
take off the blinders. he has a super bowl ring. The Cowboys haven’t won a playoff game in FOREVER.
He captained one of the greatest late season pushes ever. No team has ever – EVER – won more games on the road.
And on the play to Tyree… what made it so spectacular? Ok, let’s say the catch was BS… what was his move to get out of the two-handed grasp of a sure sack to wriggle free to get the pass off? Probably just the greatest play ever in a Super Bowl. Yeah, he sucks. Ppfffft. stupid. dumb luck. He sucks. What’s he ever done?
not saying it was a dumb pass
but luck has a heck of a lot to do with this game. If Eli throws an INT there (which probably happens what, 6 out of 10 times?), does anyone remember his move to escape two guys? I can remember 2 or 3 times last seaosn alone that romo made a bunch of defenders miss only to throw an ill advised INT. How about hte Giants playoff game where Romo made a great play to avoid pressure, threw a perfect strike on the run into crayton’s breadbasket and he dropped it.
How about the INT on that drive that sameul dropped?
so every qb that wins a superbowl ring
is elite? Eli comes up short for the giants on a regular basis, and hes asked to do a heck of a lot less than Romo is.
Again…to say he “captained” their late season push (and they were pretty bad in december btw) is garbage. The defensive line lit it up in the playoffs like their lines carried them last year. Do you think Jacobs, Ward and Bradshaw are better than ward, Jones and Choice just because they win more?
Wow
I really didn’t mean to make a stink, I personally would take Romo over Eli every day, but I could understand why some people would “rate” him higher.
Was there luck… hell yeah, alot of it, but it happened.
I don’t think he played phenomenal, but he made plays down the stretch. Lucky, yep? But it still happened.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
im not saying eli is jsut riding on his "luck"
hes not an awful qb by any means. If i rated him i’d have him 11th or so. Just that him getting rated over romo based on one 4 game playoff where he didn’t even play that well is ridiculous.
Yep.
I agree, but it is what it is.
I think it’s crazy, but if someone definitly wanted to have a reason for it.. they have ammo, even if it isn’t sound.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on May 15, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Eh Eli got extremely luky on a terrible throw to Tyree
Eli set his feet and should have had that ball on target. He didn’t. That is why he is not a good QB.
Also, if Law doesn't
drop the int that hit him in the hands that game is over and Eli is just another couldn’t win the big one qb, and Brady is man of the century. Eli has a ring, but to say he captained anything other than a Barge is asinine.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
You mean
Asante Samuels right?
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on May 14, 2009 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Haha
Yeah I gotcha, Ty Law hasn’t played with the patriots for a while. I think he went to the Chiefs after the second super bowl.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on May 14, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Haven't always been known for my smarts.
But I have been known for my audacity.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
Guess you missed Marcus Allen's run against the Redskins? Silly yankee.
And that’s just off the top of my head.
The Patsies rushers didn’t have that clean a shot at Eli. Actually, they were engaged by Giants blockers in a bunch around Eli however Jarvis Green did get a handful of Eli’s jersey but since when doesn’t Romo escape those type of situations once or twice a week? So I’ll grant you it was a cute spin move by Eli to be able to escape a mean old jersey clutch and I’ll leave it up to the individual to decide how much luck was involved in the 5th-string receiver catching the ball with his helmet.
Also, you’ve never even dared try to explain how INT specialist Ashante Samuels dropping a sure pick later on that very same drive wasn’t very fortuitous to say the least for Little Lord Eli? I guess Eli’s Super Magic Post-Season Leadership caused Ashante to drop the pick?
Want to bring up that Romo hasn’t won dick? Fine. Fair enough. Nothing but true. It still doesn’t change the fact that Eli isn’t in the same league as legit franchise QB’s like Brees or Rivers who haven’t won anything yet either.
Not to mention the 2-3 fumbles they gints had that the pats
did not come up with. Everyone forgets those as potential game changers that they were lucky enought to recover
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
Romo
consistently lost games for us as well. Having Romo at QB is a double edged sword. He’s not an elite QB. There’s a drop off after Manning/Brady/Brees in the NFL, but Manning/McNabb/Palmer are better QBs right now than Romo.
How is Palmer
RIGHT NOW a better QB than Romo? Not saying he isn’t, but what is your surefire proof way of knowing that he is better?
And just for the record, there is only one game that I think Romo totally lost the game for Dallas and that was the Steelers.
I don’t even put that Seattle playoff all on him, if you can name others, please do.
One more thing… why is Brees in the same league as Peyton and Brady? He put up ridiculous statistics but hell Romo has put up mad numbers too.
Brees hasn’t had that much playoff success either.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
thats not true at all
Other than the Steelers game, you can’t name one game he lost.
The numbers prove Romo is an elite qb, no question about it.
In Romo we Trust
Romo at 10? Ridiculous
Eli at 9? Barf Eli is a bus driver QB for a team with a good defense and a heavy running attack. Eli has miserable downfield accuracy.
Ridiculous. Well Romo will prove them all wrong this year.
also
Cutler, Ryan definitely have potential to jump into the top 8 or so next season. Not sure about Cutler, but I love the way Ryan played last year. Cutler is too turnover prone – like Romo except more consistent in that regard. Hassleback pre-injury was a really good qb, probably also above eli and mcnabb. And Warner if he plays as well as last year is more like #4 than 8. Watching Warner when hes on his game is a thing of beauty.
Statute of Limitations?
How long before Terrell Owens is no longer Cowboy news?
Just asking.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
Not till the end of the season
After we make the playoffs w/ out him
"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards
by nicholas.rodriguez on May 15, 2009 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, what if there's a Bills/Cowboys Superbowl rematch?;)
Is it too early to ask what round I should aim for Felix in my fantasy football league?
by Aaron Novinger on May 15, 2009 1:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Are you kidding?
Terrell Owens is still Eagles news. I’d say he’ll stop being Cowboy news about 2011.
Jerry Jones could go in his sock, slap you wit a stack of hundreds, then catch you again on the backswing wit 3 Super Bowl rings. So who the hell are you makin' fun of?
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on May 15, 2009 4:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Or probably win he retires
Which might be around then. Father time catches everyone sooner or later.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
he was eagles news
because he was tearing it up with us.
I’m not so sure TO is irrelevant by 2011 with the bills. Don’t get me wrong, i hope he does well, but puttign him on a team with a porous offensive line and questionable qb in a division where he faces randy moss twice a year….things coudl go downhill quickly.
I'd buy Romo in the top 10...
Keep in mind that on any given day guys can slide up and down the list a couple of spots.
I hope you all will indulge me to tap a little into the last threat however:
The Romo debate rages among cowboy fans, but lets just put this "big game" crap to bed (for now). He has played in two "big games." Those were the playoff games. Sure, some regular season games are more important than others (division/conf games), but how much so is clearly subject to debate (and don’t bring up the week 17 debacle – everyone, and I mean everyone, stunk that night). December games are no more important than games in other months so please, stop.
So, Romo’s two big game performances? Playoff stats combined: 35/65 for 390, two TDs, and a pick. These are not overly impressive stats (53% completion wont cut it), but they don’t suck by any reasonable standards (his one pick came on the last play of the gints/boys game in 07). He did fumble the ball once (dropped snap as the holder) but that was not a turnover, so I can argue that the limited "big game" evidence suggests that he can handle the pressure. The only time I’ve seen him come close to "folding" under some pressure was in Pittsburg, but his "fold" amounted to him throwing the ball in the direction of his pro bowl tight end. His bobbled snap in the Seattle playoff game was a mistake, but I would argue not a "fold." He immediately picked up the ball and dashed toward the end zone, which showed more presence of mind than I would bet many in the NFL have.
By way of comparison, lets look at Payton Manning’s playoff games. I choose him b/c he is already accepted as a HOF gimme by the football world. QB rating in parentheses for what its worth:
-Loss to Tenn in Jan/00(div playoff): 19 of 43 for 227 and no TDs/picks (61.9)
-Loss to Miami in Dec/00 (wild card game): 17 of 32 for 194 and 1 TD (82)
-Los to NYJ in Jan/03 (wild card game): 14 of 31 for 137 and 2 picks (31.2)
-In Jan of 04 he made it to the Championship with stellar wild card and div playoff wins against Denv and KC (both games he has ratings well over 100).
-His performance in the CS against NE in 04: 23/47 for 237 1 TD and 4 picks (35.5).
-His loss in Div round the next year against NE: 27 of 42 for 238 and 1 pick (69.3)
-His loss in Div round against Pitt in Jan 05: 22 of 38 for 290 and a TD. In that game, I would argue that he got an interception taken off the board by some very forgiving officials too (my guess is Troy P. would agree with me). He was also clearly flustered throughout that game and threw his O-line under the bus in his post-game presser.
-His performance in the SB was nothing stellar IMO (his offensive line was the MVP – but he IS Peyton Manning).25 of 38 for 247, a TD, and a pick.
And how did he do last year in his "big game?" 25/42 for 310 and a TD (they lost to SD in the WC round).
So its safe to say that the overwhelming evidence in Peyton Manning’s "big game" records suggests that he struggles and/or is less than stellar in the "big games."
Very few in the football world are ready to suggest that he isn’t a "leader" or that he is "a guy who cant win the big game" though, right? My guess, he’ll be a first ballot HOF selectee, even if he never wins another playoff game.
So, there is simply not enough evidence right now to suggest that Romo cant win a "big game." You’ll have to give it a couple or three more years (assuming they get to the playoffs in there). Now, if that happens, and Romo’s numbers look like some of those above, then that label might just have merit. Right now, its bunk.
BTW, Carl Shelton’s second point, that Romo has to take better care of the football, is right on. One can argue that he does need to be more of a team leader too, though how exactly he does so is certainly up to debate.
its true
many qbs struggle to win playoff games early in their careers.
I thought Romo far outplayed eli in our playoff game, but lucky for them, they had jacque reeves to pick on, and unlucky for us, crayton had his worst game as a pro and fasano dropped a sure td.
Also, though Manning mentally and physically is the best qb in the game….the guy does not react well when things get tight and the pressure is applied. Brady meanwhile – when theres pressure, he doesn’t even seem to care. He plays through it. Same with Ben, whose too damn big to be tackled by one player. If down the line, we cna compare Romo’s playoff performances to Manning’s, it will essentially be Danny White’s.
well
that’s a loaded argument bolstered by the fact you conveniently chose to lable a “big game” in a way that’s advantageous to Romo.
I’d say any one of the games in december where the Cowboys HAD to win to even make the playoffs are big games, because they were by definition “must win.”
And, you’re using stats to tell us our eyes lie. You’ve got a straw man argument there.
Ill agree they were must wins and big games
But those werent lost on the offensive side of the ball the Defense didnt show up at the end of the Balitmore game or the whole Philly game.
Absolutely right Joey
Claiming there’s only 2 games to judge his big game performance is BS.
by StillHateTheGiants on May 14, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions
If I had to make a list of "big games" in romo's career
where the criteria is just playoff implications, leaving out all the important early-midseason games that hes done extremely well in, it would go like this:
2006: Week 13 @ Giants W
Week 14 Saints loss
Week 15 atlanta win
Week 16 Eagles loss
Playoffs seattle loss
2007: Its really hard to specificy which are big games here because some games are only big games in hindsight (for example, the philly loss). The biggest games that led to us winning the 1 seed imowere 2 wins over the giants and a win over the packers where Romo played lights out great. Romo was generally spectactular up untill he hurt his thumb in the eagles game, followed by TO going down.
2008: Wins against washington, new york giants. losses to pitt (blame is on him), baltimore, philly. Again these include only late season games.
I think the one constant while looking at these late season games is that the physical, defensive teams have given us trouble. I don’t think you can really look too far into 2007. Parcells was the coach & was VERY conservative. In the saints game, TO was somehow shut down by their cb (fred thomas i think??) a guy who everyone thought TO would rip apart heading into the game. The seattle game, we weren’t nearly aggressive enough, but i thought romo played well aside from the snap.
physical Ds outside the giants
cause for some reason it seems romo and our team always play well against them
Say what you will about McNabb....
…but he actually won some playoff games last year. Something Tony Romo has yet to do in his entire career.
ridiculous
he did not play well in either game, not even close. Romo played jsut as well/poorly in his two appearances, he just didn’t get lucky enough to play the minnesota freakin vikings and a giants team in windy conditions without plax to bail them out.
The AZ game mcnabb played well, but 1/3 better than Romo isn’t good in my eyes.
Kurt Warner, however, did play much better than Romo’s played in the playoffs. Warner stared down the blitz and threw accurate, quick passes to his wrs. Thats the kind of play we need from Romo.
really??
I didn’t see that, I saw the Eagles win a few playoff games. Still cannot understand the concept of one single, individual player being able to beat 22 other players in a football game.
I’d really like to see that sometime.
In Romo we Trust
Big deal.
What is the fascination with winning a playoff game?
The cowboys need to get back to a SB, why rest on laurels after winning a simple playoff game?
because you don't get to the Super Bowl without winning playoff games, and it has been a long time since Dallas won a playoff game
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
it /is/ a big deal
winning a playoff game isn’t the end all, but there is no super bowl without winning 2-3 in a row. poor danny white has been villified unfairly. no one, not even the qb, can win a game single handedly. football is a team game.
i think (and hope) romo will finally get this monkey off his back. just remember that after aikman, we’d have been lucky to have romo or danny white back there, and ended up suffering through a long list of completely inferior qbs.
Umm, no kidding?
are you suggesting someone is a better QB b/c he can win a playoff game instead of a regular season game?
I’d buy such an argument in golf, where individuals compete. Football is a team game. You cant say a guy is better simply after winning one playoff game. There are too many other factors that go into that win or loss besides QB play.
Now, the great QBs have track records of playing well in the playoffs, winning their way to the SB and getting it done in the end. Romo hasn’t done it yet, but his career is not over.
In any event, I still argue no one can lable him “cant win the big game” b/c he hasn’t played in enough “big games” yet.
Is anyone out there going to be satisfied if the cowboys win a playoff game next year?
If they lose the following week, I wont be, though I think a playoff win would validate the path the cowboys are on, it wont do anything else (except hopefully make the team and coaches more hungry).
I wont be satisfied Unless we win a superbowl....
As any NFL fan i dont see how you can be satisfied with anything eles. It cracks me up when team (Eagle Fans) are so proud of being in the post season and so happy with being in the top ten in the leauge instead of actually winning the Superbowl. We do need the monkey off our back though by winning a playoff game, but when we do everybody needs to watch out because as soon as Romo+ Team gets that taste in there mouth i think its a straight shot to the superbowl.
I won't be.
It would at least make it where I don’t have to hear “you haven’t won a playoff game” in blah blah again.
But I want a super bowl.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
huh?
it’d make me happier than not doing it.
Players that step up when it’s all on the line are big time. Players who have never won when it’s all on the line are chokers, until they’re not. It really is that simple.
He fumbled a hold in a playoff game that would’ve (likely) iced it. That right there will define Romo until he wins a playoff game. You can rant and rave and cry and wail and cite objective facts and subjective opinions, but Romo needs to play better in tight situations if this team makes it deep in the playoffs, and, i don’t think this team is able to just land in the playoffs one season and roll to a SB championship. They are going to have to get used to BEATING excellent teams who are used to winning in the post season. See, up to now, Romo’s Cowboys are losing those games.
But, I"ll grant there is too small a sample set to define this iteration of the Cowboys, but I do see a trend.
+1
Preach it, brother.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
Seahawks, Giants and Cards....
…..All recently “just landed” in the playoffs and got to the Super Bowl. Both the Giants and Seahawks had suffered multiple one-and-dones and hell the Cardinals were still just the Cardinals ENTERING last year’s playoffs as lame redbirds.
That being said 10-6 and a lone road playoff win would be a vast improvement for this team. It remains to be seen how talented the leftover receiving corps actually is. I’m a little skeptical. Unless the defense is able to play a whole season at top 5 level or Felix truly does become a Marshall Faulk-quality dual threat in just his 2nd season (he won’t even get enough touches) people thinking 13-3 just aren’t being realistic.
With this young, inconsistent, sometimes gutless group?
I’ll take one and out next year, esp. if it seems to be the start of growth for the next few years.
I’d see it as similar to JJ’ squad beating the Bears then getting wasted in the next game.
But let’s just see if they MAKE the playoffs first-wasn’t that assumed last year?
by Realist Larry on May 14, 2009 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Carson Palmer at number 4 makes that list void IMO
Carson Palmer has done far less than Romo not clearly as good stats over the last 3 years….. He hasnt won in the post season…… He was drafted 1rst overall so that makes him worthy of number 4? i think not. Then Phillip Rivers as numbe 6. lol ya Sporting News Blows my mind Romo is a top 7 QB and the only ones i can Honestly say that are better than him are Manning, Brees, and Brady….
Take Off Your Homer Glasses
I sure as hell would be more satisfied with winning a playoff game then with losing one, or even worse not making it to the playoffs.
Romo has a lot to prove in my eyes. And I’m not giving him a pass on it just because I happen to be a Cowboys fan. Time to step up and show something.
So you have homer glasses on...
Because winning a playoff game isn’t you’re goal?
I want a playoff win, but I don’t think I would necessarily be satisfied with it less or more.
The team needs to step up as whole, the entire failure hasn’t been because of one person.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
No, you have homer glasses if you think QBs who win playoffs games are worse than your QB…who hasn’t won jack.
Obviously we all want a Super Bowl win as the ultimate goal.
by Cowboys4Life on May 14, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Tony Romo
is a better QB than Rex Grossman. Does that make me a homer?
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
Then was Chicago Better than Dallas that year?
After all, they beat Seattle. We didn’t.
So pick one or the other, you can’t have it both ways. That’s what I mean about being a homer….it’s lame to put down the accomplishments of others when they actually did better than you.
Win a playoff game, win a Super Bowl, then we can crown Romo. Until then he has plenty left to prove if he wants to be mentioned in that top 10 list above others.
by Cowboys4Life on May 14, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions
OK....
so thinking that Romo is a better QB then Rex Grossman does make me a homer or doesn’t it?
You really didn’t answer my question.
I mean Trent Dilfer won a superbowl and Dan Fouts and Dan Marino didn’t, does that make them better QB’s?
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
My reply had nothing to do with who had the better team.
I think Carson Palmer is a better QB than Joe Flacco too. And that has nothing to do with my love of the Dallas Cowboys, just me looking and watching the talent.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
i guess
the eagles and giants pass rushers are both better than demarcus ware than.
The Eagles were better than the Cowboys last year
How about that?
And they got McNabb more weapons.
by Cowboys4Life on May 14, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions
i have no problem with that
we got rid of a ton of bad apples, hopefulyl drastically improved our special teams, our qb now has time to actually get to play with RW, and our defense over most of november/december was as good as theirs. Now, they don’t have anyone reliable at safety, lito sheppard was traded and sheldon brown wants out. How are they going ot blitz without anyone there to back them up?
As much as i hate the Eagles
I will Agree they were better than us last year…. At the end they made a run when it mattered most. And there defense was better. But this year we added depth on our defense and they lost A top 5 Saftey and there best defensive Weapon and there Captain.
take your delusional glasses off
QBs don’t win games all by themselves, it takes a team effort. Why single out Romo for playing poorly?? There are 43 other guys who are playing poorly as well, why do they get a pass??
In Romo we Trust
Romo Romo Romo
He is still learning the game fellas. He’s pretty good, period. He has only played 2 1/2 seasons and he was won many a game. More than he lost by far. Give it up, give him time and give the guy some time. You guys are pathetic! Very FEW QB’s play in the NFL at an extremely high level right away. Yeah, he was in waiting but now he’s playing. Was Marino a bad QB? How about Elway? Montana? They all took a few years to get it going. May be Romo turns out to be another Danny White. Really good but not the cut above. The next two years will prove to tell.
by torchindefenses on May 14, 2009 4:29 PM CDT reply actions
I'll never forget, when Giants played the Bills 2 years ago,
Bradshaw scored a long rushing TD and the commentators were chuckling “here goes another Eli victory” or something in that nature. Eli is a joke, not to mention that I lost all the respect to him, when he was drafted. Real men behave differently with pride and honor.
John Elway
said he would play baseball rather than be drafted by the Colts. How is that different than what Eli did?
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
It's not different.
they’re both douche bags.
but, the media ignores it because they have rings.
what they did on draft day is insulting to any hard working individual who can only wish for an oppurtunity anywhere close to getting no.1 pick money.
Elway didn't want to play
on a bad team, with a bad owner, with a HC (Frank Kush) who:
A) Was a college coach, not an NFL coach.
B) Went 0-8-1 in his first season ( the strike shortened 1982 season, the year before Elway came out).
C) And this: During his time at Arizona State, Kush was known for being one of the most physically demanding coaches in the game. His daily football practices in the heat of the Arizona desert are still the stuff of legend today.
The most famous of Kush’s motivational techniques was called “Mount Kush.” Mount Kush was a steep hill near the Sun Devils’ practice facility with several large rocks, cacti, and no shade from the Arizona sun. If a player especially needed discipline in Kush’s opinion, that player would have to run up and down that hill numerous times.
I’m ALL for tough HC’s. However, you have to be a good coach, first and foremost. Kush wasn’t (at the NFL level).
If any one of us had the leverage (baseball) to use to get traded to or drafted by a better team we probably would have used it much like Elway did.
Remember, this was before FA. At that time, Elway was looking at being stuck in Baltimore pretty much forever. I don’t blame him. I’m not advocating for it, but I can see his point.
I have absolutely no problem with what Manning or Elway did
And I think people that call them douche bags for standing up for themselves are hypocrits. If you had talent and were purchased like a piece of prime rib by an organization you thought had no idea what they were doing you would do the same thing…………..if you had the juice to pull it off. Most guys don’t, those guys did. More power to them.
by StillHateTheGiants on May 14, 2009 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for calling me a hypocrit, without actually knowing me.
I appreciate it. I attack two pro athletes who acted like spoiled brats, IMO. And, you attack me. Cool, bro. As you say, more power to you, i guess.
And, for the record, If I was in their position, I would thank God that I was blessed to be in that position and I would prepare to to whatever I could to turn thge franchise around.
What does God have to do with it
Getting drafted is the product of hard work, not prayer.
by I_miss_Switzer on May 14, 2009 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh dear.
You cannot be serious. I don’t want to come off offensive, but really, man?
Let me rephrase, just for you:
And, for the record, If I was in their position, I would thank my parents, family, and everyone who supported me, helping me be in that position and I would prepare to do whatever I could to turn thge franchise around.
… anyway
You can thank all those people
and still control your own destiny.
by I_miss_Switzer on May 14, 2009 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I disagree...
Its the Draft…Were the team up gets to choose the player they want. Not the player gets to choose the team he wants…
Don't draft someone who won't sign
The player has every right to refuse to sign a contract. That is entirely his choice.
That doesn’t in any way violate the team’s right to draft him. Why should the player’s rights be subordinate?
by I_miss_Switzer on May 14, 2009 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Then if he refuses to sign the league
needs to make the player ineligible for two years. That would put a stop to all this “I don’t want to play for a loser” attitude. Missing two years of paydays and being out of football for two years makes you a non issue anymore. Also, if the player refuses, then the team gets to have a compensatory 1st round pick the following year.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
Michael Vick went to jail for the way you would treat human beings
by StillHateTheGiants on May 14, 2009 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Like I said earlier.
I am not always known for my smarts.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
Man
what’s in the water in Lubbock?
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
I live in Kansas now.
I was smart until that happened. I think it is the Arkansas river. Here it is the Ar Kansas river.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
Yep
I’ve lived in Lubbock, and cut wheat one summer in Kansas around the ArKansas River.
Then I smartened up and moved to Central Texas.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
What if they don't make a fair offer
What ever happened to freedom of contract?
I can’t believe how many people like authority.
Why should the dumbass team get another pick? Sign the player or trade his rights.
by I_miss_Switzer on May 15, 2009 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Right on the money
I guess the answer is “because that’s the way it’s always been”. Not good enough for me and certainly wouldn’t be good enough for me if I was that caliber of player. I would want some control over my life, not act like sheep being led to a slaughter
.
by StillHateTheGiants on May 14, 2009 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Your getting paid to turn a team around...
Maybe then they shouldnt have a draft and they should just all be FA’s and pick who they want to play for….. I hate Diva players who think they should get to pick were they go..
How are you getting paid
if you don’t sign a contract?
The asset that the team has required are your exclusive rights.
by I_miss_Switzer on May 14, 2009 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions
If you dont sign it
Then you shoudlnt get to play… Teams pick you knowing roughly how much there going to have to pay you…. As do the players who are going top 5 in the draft. You shouldnt get to pick what team you play for because that makes the draft worth nothing… If the worst team cant pick the best player.
And you don't get to play
unless the team trades your rights.
So they can do the smart thing and get value for an asset, or make an example out of the player to the detriment of the team.
Again, it isn’t picking a team, it is refusing to sign with a team that has your exclusive rights.
by I_miss_Switzer on May 15, 2009 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions
The Player shouldnt Have rights.
Its a draft…… you pick the player whos going to help your team out the most…. not pick the player who wants to play for you.
Wow, did you actually read what you wrote?
The player shouldn’t have rights?
by StillHateTheGiants on May 14, 2009 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes i know what i wrote.
Ok, your the first round pick in the NFL draft and your getting 70 million Dollars to Play in the NFL against the Best of the Best….. Getting more money than any of the top QB’s in the leauge and you want Rights to Choose who your Playing for….. All your rights should be dismissed when you enter the draft and you should play for who chooses you…..
It's not about choosing who you play for
It’s about choosing who you won’t work for – something most of us do throughout our lives.
Why go to a team like the Raiders and let them ruin you? Man up and vote with your feet instead of bending over for Al Davis.
by I_miss_Switzer on May 15, 2009 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Or show up and Play your heart out and leave when your Contracts up?
No player should go to Oakland to get ruined…. Look at Nnamdi Hes the best DB in the NFL his talent prevailed through a horrible team as should a great qb… If you really are talented play your contract out then go sign with who you want.
That is an option
I believe in choice and individualism.
You believe in authority.
by I_miss_Switzer on May 15, 2009 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions
I just believe its a Honor to play in the NFL
And with the money there making they shouldnt be able to Cry untill something Happens… Sometimes life isnt fair and just because you bitch enough it shouldnt change the fact you got drafted by a team you dont like.
Using an inflammatory word like crying
doesn’t help your cause
Since when did negotiating become bitching?
Life isn’t fair – someone you draft may choose not to sign. Or is life supposed to be unfailingly fair for owners?
I don’t see why the money is relevant. The players are fairly compensated for their services, as are we all.
by I_miss_Switzer on May 15, 2009 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Ok man..... As long as people like you exist
There will always be Diva players. Who think playing in the NFL isnt a Privlage its there Right. If its not about the money then why every year do the number 1 picks make more and more? When there Unproven? Eli should be in San Diego…. Phillip Rivers is by far the Better QB and took it all in stride and nobody heard a word out of him when he Went to San Diego…
Again
you choose inflammatory words – Diva.
The high picks make more than established players because of the fairly negotiated CBA and market forces, in my opinion. What do you suggest drives the increases?
You say Eli should be in San Diego, but it seems to me like the Chargers managed that asset prudently, and I gather you agree. It seems like it worked fine for everyone. Eli took the risk that the Chargers would pick him and make him sit.
Playing in the NFL may be a privilege, as is any job, but I don’t see how that means you should just take what is given to you.
My comment with regards to money is that just because they are handsomely compensated does not mean that they should lose all sense of self interest. They have a short, risky career and it behooves them to manage it prudently.
Do you really think individualists promote “Diva” players? I really don’t think my beliefs influenced Elway, Manning, or Eric Lindros any more than your beliefs influenced Stafford. I need you to expand on this theory of yours, please.
by I_miss_Switzer on May 15, 2009 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Im over it..
Its hard to say what you would do and i agree calling them divas is probally not right. If i was drafted that highly i would want to make sure the situation fit me best… Im just thinking that it is a crapshoot and you should be happy to get a chance to make your
Call me a fatalist, but if I was Matthew Stafford...
I’d be down to play for whatever team invested the first overall draft pick on me.
Eli coulda been playing w/LT; Elway coulda resurrected the Colts long before Peyton.
I’m just glad Aikman didn’t get all “I’m not playing for the 3-13 Cowboys.”
Is it too early to ask what round I should aim for Felix in my fantasy football league?
by Aaron Novinger on May 15, 2009 1:02 AM CDT up reply actions
I do as well
The draft is set up so the worst teams have a chance to get the best players and if some of those players refuse to sign w/ a bad team it ruins the philosophy behind the draft
"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards
by nicholas.rodriguez on May 15, 2009 1:09 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't blame the teams drafting though.
If some dude didn’t want to be part of turning around my franchise, I’d be all “hasta bro” like Spanos was.
Although, I think that (correct me if I’m wrong) the Chargers and Colts knew of the players’ and agents’ unwillingness prior to drafting them, which prompted them to do so anyway and then trading them away.
The same may be said for SuperBoJackson and Tampa, but he had a whole other agenda…Rocket Ismail, too.
Is it too early to ask what round I should aim for Felix in my fantasy football league?
by Aaron Novinger on May 15, 2009 1:20 AM CDT up reply actions
But the team
can still deal the player’s rights. If they make a good deal, that can be even better. Look at who won the Lindros trade.
by I_miss_Switzer on May 15, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions
draft
if it’s a privilege to play in the nfl then you have to follow the rules in order to keep that privilege. don’t be a spoiled brat baby. alot of us have bosses we don’t care for. it’s life, no big deal. we’re professionals first so we put our personal feelings aside. that’s what these babies that are drafted and don’t want to play for that team should do.
Aren't you free to find another job if you don't like your boss?
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
whatever. we don't agree so leave it at that.
ok and then what will you tell your next boss in the interview when he asks why you left previous job? cause i’m a little baby and couldn’t man up. i don’t feel sorry for these guys. if they’re so worried about injury then don’t play. they’re getting paid millions to play a game. it’s football not brain surgery. pleaseeee.
So someone who leaves a job
for better opportunity is a baby?
You acknowledge that millions are at stake, but resent them if they manage the only asset they have prudently.
by I_miss_Switzer on May 15, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions
different
and this is different. to me it comes down to purity of the game. there may not be a written rule but it defeats the purpose of draft. what if aikman decided he didn’t want to play for dallas? you can’t let some players do it because then more might want to.
Nobody let's some players do it
They are all free to not sign and hold out, and it seems like about 1/1000 actually does it.
Teams are free to hold their rights and starve them out, but none are stupid enough to do it.
Are you now acknowledging that the “rule” you want them to follow is entirely non-existant, and they are breaking no rule, covenant or promise?
by I_miss_Switzer on May 15, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions
unwritten rule
it’s called an unwritten rule. they need to quit acting like bitches. it’s football not rocket scientist. i think teachers should make more than these stupid ass steroid taking athletes. without teachers there would be no coaches, doctors, lawyers, etc. dumbasses need to be more grateful that they get paid to play a game. i think league will close this loophole soon. they can’t have every unhappy player refusing to sign with team that drafts them. again, what’s the point of the draft if players can say they’re not signing?
How can they stop it? How can they force a player to play?
Frankly, it doesn’t happen all that often to be that big of a deal. 99.9% of the time, it is a ploy to get more money out of the team that drafted them
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
Indentured servitude
is what you are advocating.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
If you think teachers should make more
(and there is some irony there) then spend your time posting on education blogs.
The point of the draft is to acquire a player’s exclusive rights. Haven’t we gone over that.
How do you propose the league will close this “loophole”, which is basically the right of self determination that we all enjoy.
by I_miss_Switzer on May 19, 2009 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions
What is the rule
please cite it?
I guess standing up for yourself makes someone a baby?
by I_miss_Switzer on May 15, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions
It is not an honor it is a job
It is a highly compensated job, but it carries a high risk of debilitating injury
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
Yep, that's the way the owners set it up
And some players have had enough juice to buck the owners system. I have absolutely no problem with that.
by StillHateTheGiants on May 14, 2009 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Does anybody else think the Chargers were acting in a machiavellian fashion in picking Eli?
They knew how hot the Giants were to get him, and by picking him they felt certain the Giants would trade for him. I am too lazy to look it up, but I seem to recall the Giants sending a slew of draft picks to get the rights to Eli, and I think they also traded the rights to Philip Rivers as well. The Chargers got the guy they wanted all along in Rivers, did not have to pay him first pick in the draft money, and got a bunch of other picks form the Giants. What was the risk to the Chargers? The only risk I see is that the Giants might have refused to make the trade and Eli would have refused to ever sign with the Chargers. How often does that happen? I know there is a llot of posturing about how players are not going to sign and resubmit their names to next year’s draft, but the only guy I can recall who actually did do that was Bo Jackson and he said all along he was going to play baseball. That was a realistic threat with John Elway as I think he had been drafted by the Yankees, but who else has actually sat out a year and resubmitted their name to the draft?
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
So you're offended for being called a hypocrit?
But it’s fine for you to call others douche bags. That’s rich.
by StillHateTheGiants on May 14, 2009 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions
So if I call some one a douche bag, am I a hypocrite?
Or, am I douche bag for being a hypocrite?
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
I would say whichever shoe fits.
Using falcon’s terminology, you could also be a spoiled brat (he had plenty of names to call)
by StillHateTheGiants on May 14, 2009 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I need to look up exactly what a douche bag is, by the way.
I love the internet.
by Realist Larry on May 14, 2009 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions
A jerk
basiclly
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on May 14, 2009 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I was being facetious.
Just wondered if there was more to the literal meaning than the obvious, LOL!
I did learn to not use the same bag for a douche as an enema, and that douching is much more common in the Af.-Am. population, though.
by Realist Larry on May 14, 2009 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Haha
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on May 14, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, just what I thought.
How come we never call anyone an “enema bag” ? Wouldn’t that be even worse?
by Realist Larry on May 14, 2009 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with StillHateTheGiants
if you have leverage you use it. There is no honor in obedience. Elway and Eli can do what they want
by AustonianAggie on May 15, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Huh?
You think a guy can’t turn down a job offer and pick the outfit he wants to work (or play) for?
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
Why is it luck
They worked hard to develop their marketable skills. Those teams are looking out for #1, not for the draftee’s interests.
by I_miss_Switzer on May 14, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions
even though i think romo is better than eli
I kinda admire the way elis handled all the criticism throughout his career. Hes quiet, keeps to himself, although i can’t say hes really good, you’ve gotta be mentally tough to handle all that pressure the new york media puts on him. He wasn’t great or anything through their playoff run, but he was solid and consistent and moved the chains on drives that they needed to. Both Romo and Eli have seen their fair share of criticism and neither have cracked, at least yet.
+1000000000
cant agree more. Just imagine if every year you have 3-4 picks do that. its a mockery of a privilege. The privilege to get paid millions to play a game.
It's their privilege to do whatever the system allows!
Welcome to the USA. You feel sorry for the rich team owners and their monopoly on the most popular sport?
I’m not one-sided on this issue and see both sides as spoiled (I can’t stand players who hold out when they signed a contract), but how can you be against freedom and some control over one’s life?
by Realist Larry on May 14, 2009 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll take Romo over Manning (either one) any day. He didn't have a famous father, he worked his
butt off to become a very good QB, hell he even wasn’t drafted, but he is a man, he doesn’t throw his OL under the bus and as someone already noted, with him under center I always have the feeling he’ll do something magical.
The Manning boys are hardly coasting on Daddy's name
Peyton’s work ethic is legendary, and Eli is also known as a hard worker
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
With Romo
I always have the feeling he can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Romo, so far at least, is the anti-Staubach for me. I always felt that Roger could pull it out in the end because he just found a way to do it. With Romo, I can’t shake the notion that he will get the jitters and throw a pick or fumble.just at the wrong moment to dash hopes of a comeback. (Yes, the Buffalo game back when was a marvel, but he hasn’t made that kind of comeback his trademark the way Roger did.)
I haven’t given up on Romo, far from it. But he needs to get something done in the post season before I am convinced he is the QB the Cowboys need to return to the glory days. Not saying he can’t be that guy, just saying he is not there yet.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
Really?
2008 Eagles
2007 Lions, Redskins
2006 Giants
He hasn’t always brought the team back from behind, but I always feel like Dallas has a pretty good chance if he has the ball in his hands in the last few minutes. In the last two minutes of a game, he’s won more games than he’s personally lost and thats not even close.
I’d even say to an extant that he was playing comeback football in the 2008 Ravens game, but the defense just totally collapsed and didn’t ever give him a chance to see if he could bring it in.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
I obviously feel the exact opposite about Romo
as long as he’s under center I always feel we’re going to win, just like Roger.
In Romo we Trust
I'm ready
to join the fan club, but Tony has to show me he can get it done. So far, he’s not there.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
+1.....
it’s almost blasphemy to put Romo and Staubach in the same breath at this point-LOL
Romo hasn't
reached the Danny White level for me yet.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
we'll see after this year......
I really hope that Romo steps it up this year. I’m truly not against the guy but I’m not ready to annoint him “the savior” until he at least wins a playoff game-LOL
what if the Cowboys win a playoff game
and Romo doesn’t have a great game??
Thats why you can’t say qbs can win games, teams win games.
In Romo we Trust
geomak makes a good point
There are time in life when one recognizes circumstances that are very unfavorable. Taking measures, even extreme measures, to avoid those circumstances (in this case, working conditions, and future opportunities) can sometimes be justified.
In Eli’s case, I’m not sure the opportunities were so limited to have a good career in SD. Although in fairness to Eli, I think he had little to do with it. I think his dad was driving that whole thing and Eli was just a young kid going along with it.
I think you're right
His father seemed like he was pulling the strings.
by StillHateTheGiants on May 14, 2009 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Not in any order
E.Manning
McNabb
Rodgers
Cutler
Ryan
Brees
Brady
Flacco
Roethlisberger
P.Manning
Rivers
That makes Romo 12th
sure
next time you watch those teams play, look at what their qb actually has to do for their get Ws. For guys like McNabb, Eli, Ryan & Flacco, its play a controlled style, move the chains, and support the run game. McNabb benefits an insane amoount from having a rb who makes things happen after teh catch – moreso than any other qb in the league at this point.
Romo meanwhile, does not have that run game to support him. Heck, at points last year, he didn’t even have an oline ot block for him. He makes great plays when things break down, which cover up our deficiencies between the oline and route running. I wouldn’t put Romo over 5 or 6 of those guys you mentioned, but you’ve gotta be crazy to take them over him.
Ryan? Cutler? Rodgers? Flacco?
Do you even watch football? Seems your basing your opinions on what the fellows on ESPN say about the QB’s None of those i mentioned put up numbers like Romo has… None of them have won a Superbowl just like Romo so to say that there better quarterbacks are ridicolous.
mcnabb used to be elite
but hes long past his prime. Hes a shell of his former self and that was evidenced in plenty of games last year.
Did you watch him play after he was benched last year
I can’t stand the arrogant prick, but he was one of the best QB’s in the league the last half of the year
by StillHateTheGiants on May 14, 2009 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions
what exactly did he do
tear apart an arizona team that we all know quit the second half of the year and the browns? I guess he played decent against the giants, but their defense was so good and the giants offense was so bad in december, its not like mcnabb exactly had to do much.
Against the competitive teams, he really didn’t do well even after the benching.
Ryan, Cutler, Rodgers and Flacco all have one thing in common, they'll look like D.Bleadsoe, if starting under center for the boyz
they are all more or less statues of liberty compared to Romo. Hate to sound like Terry, but with all his deficiencies I’ll still like Romo better.
Do I watch football?
Quite a bit even played at JMU with Charles Haley. You?
by 69 on May 14, 2009 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions
69, he was a little rude,
but he’s trying to say that Romo does much more for his team than a lot of those QBs. For example, Flacco. I mean the kid was good… for a rookie. People act like Romo looked bad against Pitt. Just watch Flacco against them. He was awfully awful.
Nope ive never played with Charles Haley... You got me there. Mr. Name dropper you.
But it just seems like for somebody to say something so bold as Ryan and Flacco are better than Romo is just Silly…IMO
Wait a minute.
So you will continuously bash Romo for not winning a playoff game, but you’ll put Rodgers and Cutler over Romo who have achieved LESS and been in crappier divisions?
You’ll put Matt Ryan in there, who has had one good season, but has also won as many playoff games as Tony Romo.
Explain.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
Yea...
I don’t understand the Flacco, Ryan, Rodgers, Cutler picks…. I mean you really can’t even put up an argument about those picks. Now personally I don’t think Eli is as good as Romo, Eli drives the bus, Romo carries the offense.
P.Manning
Brady
Brees
Rothelisberger
Warner
Romo
Rivers
McNabb
Thats my list…. with Romo, McNabb, and Rivers all being tied for that spot..
Romo had a down year where there was most likely some lingering issues with the injury which helped increase his turnover rate and he has basically been our offense since he first started… We haven’t had a very good run game for awhile (this year looks promising) so everything has gone through Romo, now I think TO did help Romo alot in ‘06 and 07’ but last year TO had a hard time getting open and IMO hurt Romo with mentally forcing Romo to get him the ball despite his declining skills… We all saw that Owens was getting close to cracking, going off and doing that interview with Deion whining for the ball, while not being able to tell that it was his own fault he didn’t get the ball. Now I’m not going to lie this year will define Romo, good or bad. It is his team now and all of us fans have waited long enough to finally see this team get back to playing Cowboy football in January.
"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards
by nicholas.rodriguez on May 15, 2009 1:22 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't know where to rank Romo, but I know he's a heck of a lot more entertaining than most QB's!
You never know what’ll happen.
But I want more Staubach entertaining and not quite so wild (early Tarkenton?)
Geomac and StillHate
What Eli did was circumvent the entire NFL system by which the worst team gets to draft the best player available in the draft. While I grew up in Alabama admiring Archie Manning at Ole Miss and looked forwward to seeing his sons find better teams than the Sainst in Archie’s day, I still firmly believe in the framework that allows the worst teams to improve through the draft and am disgusted by the Manning “aristocracy” that like the rich, avoids the rules/system as it is designed. I will forever root against both Eli and Peyton ever since the Manning family manipulation of the draft to avoid Eli going to San Diego, who by the way, may very well have won a SuperBowl just as easily there as in NY.
Naw, San Diego's Defense
was never as good as the one in NY. As dominant as SD’s defense was they weren’t carrying him like the one he has. He could throw an interception at the 10 and still have a chance at the opposition just getting a field goal.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
I still consider Eli a bitch for that.
The draft is a crapshoot… you shouldnt be able to determine were you go. What if Stafford said he didnt want to go to Detroit we would all be saying how much of a diva he is and He wouldnt of had it as easy as Eli did just because of his last name.
I never advocated Eli's move.
I just said NY was a better choice. I still think that SD ended up with the better qb, they just happened to be in the same conference with Indy and NE. Any team surviving the NFC East has a damn good shot at going all the way, not so much in the AFC.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
I just disagree
The “system” was set up by the owners, for the owners. It has nothing to do with the players. If you hate the “aristocracy” and the rich, you should side with the players for crying out loud. The system is all about leaving all the power with the rich owners. I have no problem whatsoever with a player asserting their rights. Why would you be so submissive? I just don’t understand that way of thinking.
And for the record, I don’t even see evidence that the “system” works. How frequently have the same teams been at the top of the draft? Detroit is there every year and they manage to screw it up. So was Arizona until recently. There are plenty of examples of teams that consistently draft near the top and always suck. There are also plenty of examples of team that consistently draft later and stay good.
by StillHateTheGiants on May 14, 2009 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
A man’s body only gives him about 10 years to be elite athletically. Why waste any of them being unhappy somewhere. Fight for what you want.
Jerry Jones could go in his sock, slap you wit a stack of hundreds, then catch you again on the backswing wit 3 Super Bowl rings. So who the hell are you makin' fun of?
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on May 15, 2009 4:30 AM CDT up reply actions
I guess I'm gonna be on the fence about this one for a while.
I can understand the teams finishing last needing to pick first to address their deficiencies. I can also understand that players don’t want to spend the begining of their careers languishing on a team not moving in an upward direction. Here is the problem though, until they actually play a down in the NFL, no one really knows if they can even hack it there. It is in the teams best interest to try to get the best players that they can. In return said player should play as good as possible until either the team gets better, or they play through their contract and can go to a better team. I can see some positions being a little different. David Carr was absolutely abused in Houston. He needs to file suit against them for having to play behind that offensive line. But, on the other hand, Michael Irvin played on a horrendous team along with Troy Aikman before Emmit was drafted and they became the triplets. Three years Dallas absolutely sucked, and all of the sudden they are a dynasty. Being at the top of the draft consistently, doesn’t always mean you will always suck. I better stop now. I’m starting to just ramble.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
Rambling means your thinking and that's good
Unlike some of the other posts about this topic who just proclaim the players should have absolutely no rights.
I think your David Carr example makes the case perfectly . The system which is set up by the owners puts no responsibilty on the owners of bad teams to prevent that kind of abuse. If you were being forced to go to work for a company that you thought would abuse you and ruin your chances for future employment somewhere else wouldn’t you want the right to say no? We’re talking about grown men here who are entering the work force. Why would anyone think they should have no say in who they work for or where they work?
The other thing I find hysterical is the arrogance of owners when they draft a player who has publically said they will not play for that team.
by StillHateTheGiants on May 15, 2009 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Good thing
some teams have started contract negotiations with the 1st round pick before the draft so everything is nailed down before the clock starts.
Why draft a player who doesn’t want to play for your team? Work a deal with the team he wants to go to, then go get players who want to be on your side.
I reckon Eli heard an earful from his dad, who is the perfect example of an excellent QB who went to a team that sucked. Now Archie is best known for being the dad of Peyton and Eli.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
I think that was a shot at me....... so ill defend myself
Your ananolgy is stupid….. If we were going to go work for a company and make 70 mil we wouldnt ever have to work another day in our lives so really who cares if it screwed up are chances eleswere…… Id love to be able to say no if i was a elite athlete…….. but when you enter the draft your taking the chance that the worst team will draft you…..And when your Drafted by that team you should have enough self respect to do everything you can to turn that dynasty around instead of bitching about it. What if Aikman said he didnt want to play for Dallas? Then Steve Walsh would of been our QB? we wouldnt have the same Dynasty we have now. And David Carr is my Fav QB and he could of been great he just lost it mentally.
So your definition of self respect
is blind obedience and devotion to an entity that has done nothing to help you achieve your success.
I think there is some principles involved in saying I won’t work for you, even if you offer me $40 million dollars. That sounds more like self respect to me, instead of letting yourself be swayed by the siren call of Mammon.
It all comes down to the amount of money in your argument, but I don’t see that as relevant. We all use the leverage we have to maximize our satisfaction.
You say that when you enter the draft, you risk the worst team taking you. Wouldn’t you also agree that when you draft a player, you risk them not wanting to sign at any cost?
by I_miss_Switzer on May 15, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Im bored with this.....
NFL Draft is when teams pick players they want… if that player doesnt want to play for that team then they shouldnt get to play……. A single player can help turn a franchise around so if you think you have that player in the draft you should by all means draft that player even if he doesnt want to play for your club..
You should also have an incentive
to maintain your franchise to a standard that doesn’t scare away top prospects. If someone is turning down your $50 million dollar offer, you likely have problems.
If the player doesn’t want to be there, he isn’t going to turn the franchise around – but he is still an asset that the team can use to improve.
Why do you hold the wants of the teams so paramount to individual rights?
by I_miss_Switzer on May 15, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Because Im a Dallas Cowboys Fan.... First and Foremost.
Then i like the players second. And im a fan of players who show up and do there job no matter what the scenario is. No player should come out and say i dont want to play for that team, Eli will always be remembered for it, Elway is remembered for his….
How is it their job
when they have no contract?
by I_miss_Switzer on May 15, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
This could be settled by a 2 year max on the contract
and a max on rookie salary depending on draft position. After 2 seasons if the player still wants out and can get a better contract on a better team, more power to him. If he sucks, then the team isn’t out a gazillion dollars for nothing.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
+1
I think this isn’t as big of an issue as the fact that getting the #1 pick is as much of a penalty anymore as it is a reward.
The money has gotten so big, that you have guys like Vernon Davis coming out and being the highest paid at their position.
I understand that the NFL has a smaller lifespan than most, but I find it hard to show much sympathy.
If you can’t live on 3 million a year than your priorities are pretty messed up.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
Either that or you need a smaller "posse".
One of the things that the Players Association needs to provide is financial counseling for some of these goobers. They have athletic talent out the wazoo, but financial accumen beyond what car they are going to buy today is severely lacking.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
True.
I think that the NFL does provide that though.
Unfortunatly, you can’t make someone do anything. I mean, does anyone really NEED a 30 million dollar home or 7 vehicles?
I’m not saying that if you don’t have the money, you can’t buy it, but don’t come bitching in a press conference about needing an extra 4 mil a year to “feed your family”.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
don’t come bitching in a press conference about needing an extra 4 mil a year to "feed your family".
Thanks, now I have to clean coffee out of my keyboard.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
Not really
Eli did not circumvent the system. San Diego was amply compensated by the Giants in a trade for his rights. The more I think about it, the more I think San Diego’s GM was playing a superior game of chess by picking a player he may not have wanted knowing that a team a few slots down was dying to take him and would pay a steep price for his rights.
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
Then Eli was just a pawn in a game between owners.
It doesn’t really matter in the end, but I wish Eli had sucked even worse than he does. I just hate NY that badly.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
Not entirely
San Diego’s chess game may not have worked if Eli did not make it known that he wanted to play for the Giants.
That situation worked out for everybody. Eli got to play for the team he wanted to play for all along; The Giants got the player they wanted all along; The Chargers got the player they wanted all along at a lower cost, plus draft picks, some of whom became pretty good players I think
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
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