Eight is (not) Enough
by HutHut on May 15, 2009 4:12 PM CDT
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PrintI hate to say it, but all I see is 8 for my beloved Cowboys.
Dr. Doom 'N Gloom is here again to pee in y'alls chili.
Much as I'd like to see Dallas go 19-0, I can't help but believe we are looking at an 8-8 season. Plus, the only reason I see us winning that many is we get to feast on the AFC West. Only the Bolts are worth their salt in that Division.
The good news is that this failure of a season will end the Wade Philips era.
Here's how I see it shaking out:
@ TB Win
Vs NYG Loss (I like the Gints to go all the way in '09)
Vs CAR Win
@ DEN Win
@ KC Win
Vs ATL Loss (Last second field goal or TD kills us after Romo turnover)
Vs SEA Win
@ PHI Loss (We will have two reserve OL's starting by this point)
@ GB Loss
Vs WSH Win
Vs OAK Win (Blowout... 'Boys fans have false hope)
@ NYG Loss (Let the late season swoon begin)
Vs SD Loss (Merriman finally gets revenge on Jerry)
@ NO Win (Last second victory quiets Romo critics for half a second)
@ WSH Loss
Vs PHI Loss (Bye Bye Wade, hello Shanahan or Holmgren)
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dude...
I hope I’m never in a foxhole with your hopeless self….
you’re being negative and predicting everything will go as last year, let me enlighten you, they won’t. Just like 08 was completely different from 07, no team has identical season EVER. You are anticipating the worst for whatever reason, but that doesn’t mean you’re right.
I’m not saying everything is sunshine and we’ll win every game, that’s not reasonable either(it’s what I want, and expect). You predict everything to be as Cowboy detractors would, which begs the question why?
Why assume injuries or turnovers by a specific player unless you already harbor resentment? You’ve given up on the season before training camp even starts…what’s that all about? I dropped a deuce on the draft, but I didn’t write off the season…stop being so dramatic.
Why assume injuries? Because our O-Line is fricking OLD! Old players get hurt more often and are out for longer periods of time. Our o-line back-ups are dung. If we lose Adams (which I think we will) Romo will have zero time. When he has some time, his big plays outnumber his screwups. When he doesn’t… well, we saw last year.
Romo is a really good qb. I’m a Romo fan. However, I’m not a fan of our o-line depth and I’m pretty sure that is going to bite us hard this year.
If you think we’re going 12-4 this year, I hope you’re right. Hell, my avatar is a mock-up I made of the Cowboys’ next superbowl ring. But from a coldly objective pov, 8-8 is what I see.
The problem I have with your injury theory...
Is that you’re doing your picks with projecting injuries for Dallas but not other teams.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
Injuries
They happen to every team. I’m not saying we will be the only team beset with injuries, but I’m a Cowboys fan, so I know our roster. I’m not going to scour the rosters of 11 other teams to see which players of theirs I anticipate being hurt. Sheesh!
I get that.
But just a prediction of a mass of injuries is tough anyways. I’m not saying you’re completely wrong, but there were pretty rough injuries last year and the team went 9-7.
I mean a prediction that we’ll have two reserve offensive lineman starting is brash.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on May 18, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
And...
How many last second turnovers has Romo had to cost games?
The one in Pittsburg is the only thing I can think of.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on May 18, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Brashness and Turnover
How is it brash when we were out Kosier last year and were without Flozel two years before that?
What evidence is there that I should not expect at least one game-killing Romo turnover?
Look, I don’t like the idea of going 8-8. I also think 11-5 is possible. However, everything I’ve seen from this team tells me it is a talented team with little discipline and is thin at critical roster spots. To me, that spells 8-8 underachievers.
Dude
I’m just trying to have a discussion. That’s it. No need to get defensive.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
i seriously doubt
we will have any more injuries than we had last year. w/o the injuries we’re in the playoffs in 08. i think 8-8 is only possibly if Romo goes down. Dallas will win at least 9. if you look at the sched its not too bad, also Dallas and NY always have good games. I don’t think you can assume a NYG sweep, Dallas is 3-2 in the last 5 meetings. I think 8-8 is a pessimistic outlook, but to each’s own
Texas Stadium has a hole in the roof so God can watch his favorite team play football.
This is not a hopeless hope
Here’s the silver lining:
“The good news is that this failure of a season will end the Wade Philips era.”
In my opinion, this is a win-win season. Either the Cowboys win a bunch of games and have a nice playoff run or they have a bad season and Jerry realizes the need for a head coach (rather than just two coordinators).
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
Geesh: I meant "hopeless post" in the title line
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
damn Dave...
should I just put you out of your misery now? Your attitude isn’t any better, One let down season and you’re ready to send Wade kicking rocks. With everything bad that happened last year I’m impressed we got 9 wins, these kind of seasons are neccesary every once in a while.
We got rid of the headaches, and are blasting full-speed into next season. Given the current trajectory of the team, the position of other teams within division and conference, schedule, et al ad infinitum things could be a lot worse.
Deo Vindice Veritas,
by SmittyCityMo on May 17, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for the concern
But I am not in misery. Saying the Cowboys are in a win/win situation seems about as positive as it gets.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
dude
This is about as silly a post that I have yet seen. I mean why bother?
Is the guy aloud an opinion ?
I think we split the east and beat GB . So that’s 11 -5, I’ll take it.
I think
If we play consistently theres no way we"ll be 8-8. Every game on the schedule is a winnable game. If we avoid injuries anything below a record of 10-6 is underachieving.
barring major injuries...
12-4
Red and Black!! Red and Black!! Red and Black!! Congrats boys first time in team history over .500
I think you're close...
But I see 10-6, possibly 11-5. I think we split with NYG and Philly, as usual, so that’s 2 more wins, and we beat ATL, so that’s another. Factor in a surprise loss and a surprise win, and I think from 10-6 to 12-4.
It really doesn’t matter, as long as we qualify for the playoffs. This team will be judged in January, whether they squeak in with 9 or run the table and get 16. All that matters for these players as a group, and Wade and Romo as individuals, is playoff wins.
by Baked Potato Soup on May 15, 2009 9:49 PM CDT reply actions
true enough
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on May 16, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Losing twice to the giants?
I know history isn’t absolutely certain to repeat itself, but we play them tough every single game. With Romo we are 4-1 against them with the playoff loss, and we had to blow the game multiple ways to lose that one. I think we win at least 1 game against the giants.
Other than that, I think we lose to new orleans, beat san diego, beat philly. total of 10-6.
+1
Red and Black!! Red and Black!! Red and Black!! Congrats boys first time in team history over .500
by aussie_cowboy on May 16, 2009 7:33 AM CDT up reply actions
great point
that is the part I have the biggest problem with, and if we do go 1-5 in the division I would put our record somewhere around 5-11 or 4-12. I think we would have to be pretty bad to go 1-5 in the division.
First to six!!!
Sweeps by the Giants and Eagles. Thats tough even when we suck.
We split the series with them and I truely believe that will happen and we are 10-6.
The Democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson
8-8 is certainly not out of the question
There are a TON of unknowns about this team.
Can the o-line return to Sparano form under Hudson Houck?
Can Romo reduce his boneheaded mistakes?
Can the d-line create ANY kind of push?
Folk returning from hip surgery and McBriar from a broken kicking foot?
Can we throw without the most explosive WR in the conference?
Wade’s lame duck status with his replacement working for him?
Add that to the Redskins upgrading their d-line with Haynesworth and Philly and NYG both having solid off seasons. We’ll be picked to finish 3rd at best.
Having said that, we could surprise on a lot of fronts, but the point is, there are as many or more question marks about this team as any other in the NFC East.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
It's not out of the question.
But Dallas was 9-7 with less talent under Bledsoe.
This 8-8 prediction lists predicted injuries.,.. but you know the other teams will get injured as well.
When’s the last time Mcnabb went two years in a row without getting injured?
No was does Dallas just win 1 game in the division.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on May 16, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
I guess if you predict doom and gloom, it's hard to be disappointed?
This is the pessimists trap – always wanting to avoid disappointment / failure by expecting the worst.
The thing is, as a fan, I spend a good deal of time defending the Boys against rival teams (I grew up New Jersey, lived mostly in California, so rarely hung out with many Cowboys fans) … so I gotta say it’s disappointing to see so many Boys detractors within our own ranks.
I know, I know, I know … “the voice of reason” argument. Problem is, that ignores all of Romo’s accomplishments, it ignores a record-setting 2007 offense, it ignores the fact our defense was top 5 in the league after Wade took over – despite being worn down late, and it ignores the fact that we upgraded a few positions ourselves. Throw in guys returning from injuries, and ONLY IF WE ARE HIT AGAIN by the injury bug would any of these doom and gloom predictions HAVE A CHANCE.
> The O-line, when healthy, will be fine.
> Romo’s numbers are OUTSTANDING, even when you include the mistakes… not just above average… not just “good enough” … but TOP TIER!
> The D-line, like last year, doesn’t need to be GREAT, they just need to continue to stuff the run and let James / Ware / Ellis and the occasional CB get the sacks. Rat’s sacks are bonuses. Our D-line is never gonna be like the G-men, but that doesn’t mean our D can’t be great.
> Folk and McBriar are expected to be in full health BEFORE training camp… expecting more injuries here?
>TO’s drops killed many a drive…. why focus on Romo’s mistakes while ignoring TO’s? And Romo will improve without TO’s ragging.
> Wade is Wade … his style is to nurture leadership around him. Who knows, it might be perfect this year.
> The Giants, Skins and Iggles are not our problem – we can beat them all if we just play our game.
For all the question marks, there are an equal number of reason why this team could go 13-3 AGAIN.
just saying.
Tar Heels = National Champs in Basketball ... #1 in Baseball ... Top 10 this year in Football?
Question
Do you think the Skins fans on their blog say, “we can beat the Cowboys, Eagles and Giants if we just play our game”?
Or, do the Bengals fans say that about the Steelers?
I bet some do, and some don’t.
If you need to equate fandom with constant belief that your team will win against all odds, or of delusions of grandeur, that is your prerogative and I completely support your choice to do so.
That doesn’t mean that I agree with you, it just means I support your right to challenge the thinking of the majority or the minority. What’s more, I totally appreciate your perspective because it does give me pause.
That all said, I think Dallas has a good chance of being a much better team than last year. I also think that the team is not mentally tough, has locker room fragility, has what amounts to a lame duck coach (see Seattle last year) and could suffer a major tumble if things start going badly for them.
Truthfully, I don’t know what to expect from this team. But given the questions I posed above , 8-8 is probably more likely than 13-3.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
sorry not to look back at this for a few days...
5B, it comes down to this… you posted several question-mark areas, and then made your 8-8 prediction on an assumption that these areas are likely to – for the most part – go badly.
I look at those same areas and assume that we can overcome the majority. We had issues when we went 13-3 … but for the most part things came together.
As for the mentally tough part, I can’t argue with last year’s performance. But I do think these guys can learn from the experience, and getting rid of Cancer-T was a good start.
I’m sticking with 13-3
Tar Heels = National Champs in Basketball ... #1 in Baseball ... Top 10 this year in Football?
no way we go 8-8 if healthy
The only way that happens if the injury bug bites us hard again this season. When healthy, the Cowboys are as good as any team in the league and will win at least 10 games easily, I’m thinking 11-12.
You simply cannot make win/loss projections regarding each game as nobody knows how good a lot of our opponents will be. While our divisional opponents will reamin really tough, we really have no clue how the remaining schedule will play out.
All I know is that the Cowboys will be really good if the vast majority of our front line players aren’t in the training room half the season.
In Romo we Trust
Your right
If healthy, I guess they won’t start a serious losing streak until december and January (see the 2007 season).
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
the law of averages says otherwise
The Cowboys have to play well and win in Dec and Jan eventually, this streak cannot go on forever.
Why can’t this year be the year?
In Romo we Trust
I believe in the other way..
I would rather believe were a playoff contenter instead of thinking we miss the playoffs. If you have no confidence that your team will do good and make the playoffs and actually contend in the NFL whats the fun in following your team week in and week out? I personally think we will win 4 division games Sweeping Washington. And Possibly Sweep the NFC South.
I do believe this year is wades last year unless he wins a Superbowl. But i dont think that we go with a Big Name like Shanahan, Holmgren, or Cower. I believe that we go the other route which is Young i think Garret stays in and becomes our HC, If Wade Sticks around and becomes our DC great that would be IDEAL but unlikely.
+1
I can’t understand the mentality of negative fans for just the reasons you stated. How can a fan have fun following his team if they think the team isn’t going to be any good.
Fan is short for fanatic, not objective observer.
In Romo we Trust
What do you call objective observers who root for their team to win, no matter what?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
objective observers who follow and root for a team
my dad is like that with the Steelers, he follows them and roots for them to win but is the first to criticize them and say they stink.
In my eyes he’s not really a fan but somebody who follows them and roots for them to win.
Fans are fantical about their team and are obviously biased.
In Romo we Trust
"In my eyes he’s not really a fan but somebody who follows them and roots for them to win."
Huh?
So that year the Cowboys were 1-15 I was supposed to be blind to how terrible they were?
The year they played the Bears on Thanksgiving I was dreading the holiday for weeks. I think they lost 55-0 or something?
There was nothing “FUN” about it! Who said being a fan was about being fun?
by Realist Larry on May 17, 2009 1:04 AM CDT up reply actions
+1
Red and Black!! Red and Black!! Red and Black!! Congrats boys first time in team history over .500
by aussie_cowboy on May 17, 2009 2:08 AM CDT up reply actions
thats a completely different scenario
The Cowboys were in complete rebuilding mode, surely there is a huge difference between that team and the current team
In Romo we Trust
somebody who follows them and roots for them to win...
um isn’t that exactly what a fan is?
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
Not IMO
I think fans have a naturally instinctive bias to be positive about their team, not always being negative.
In Romo we Trust
Well...
I think there are different types of fans. I don’t see why people are overly negative all the time, but I don’t think it’s wrong for fans to feel something about someone.
Fan’s as a whole turn Bipolar when a game starts or during the middle of a season. They react to everything like its the end of the world or its the greatest thing since sliced bread.
If things go to crap… i see Dallas 8-8, if things work out beatiful I could see them at 12-4, and so I’ll take a happy medium of 10-6.
Doesn’t make me any less of fan for saying one way or another though.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on May 18, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
"In my eyes he’s not really a fan"
Please, Please lets not open a debate about what being a real fan means. Just ridiculous.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
my different opinion is this:
I have been a Cowboys fan since I was 7. My dad was a diehard fan. I spend lots of money and time following this team. And I root for them regardless. But in a forum where ideas are exchanged, I try to be as objective and realistic as a fan can be (taking into account my obvious bias). But by your reasoning, Terry, because I am not fanatical I am not a “real” fan. That’s not only not a true statement, its somewhat offensive (kinda like someone who says if you are of a certain political persuasion, you are not a real American).
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
Yep.
I agree Dave.
Supporting the team, doesn’t always mean agreeing with everything they do. Same with our goverment.
I will support someone if they are a democrat or a republican because they are the president of my country, but I don’t always agree with everything they do.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on May 18, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not saying real fans can't be critical
I’m saying it’s the fans who are always critcal and negative and really never have a positive thing to say about the team they follow….I can’t just see how thats being a fan
In Romo we Trust
Look people… it’s not that I WANT the Cowboys to do poorly. It’s not that I’m a detractor. I’m merely going by what I see.
Our O-line goes 1-deep. The left side of the O-line is very old. We lost Kosier last year. I think it is likely that we will lose Kosier and Adams this year. We have ZERO back-ups that can step in on the o-line and play at a decent level.
Our defensive backfield is still in flux. I’m as glad as the next guy that Roy is no longer here. But that doesn’t take away from the fact that we are going to be plugging in two new starters in. That is not a recipe for immediate improvement. It doesn’t mean improvement is impossible, but it isn’t likely.
As for the Division, the Giants will have Osi back this year. They have to replace Plax, but their D will allow them to win games ala Pittsburgh. Philly kicked our ass last year when the playoffs were on the line and I have seen nothing to make me think they won’t do it again this year. Washington is schizo so I listed a split with them.
Over the last 5 seasons we have gone 6-10, 9-7, 9-7, 13-3, and 9-7. Which looks like a bigger stretch… 8-8 or 12-4?
Above .500 in the last 4 years... So id say 8-8 is the bigger stretch.
I can honestly say in my mind anything below 9 wins is a failure with as much talent as we have….. We dont have any big holes on the 9 and the pressure will still come at least now we have somebody who can capitalize off of it.
No big holes, just no head coach
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
to play devil's advocate
What team aside from philly has been able to consistently produce quality backups? none that i can think of. Kevin Booth stepped in for the giants a couple games last year and got absolutely whipped, may’ve even lost them a game or two.
Oline health is of great importance for EVERY team because very few have quality in their depth. Jacksonville lost two for the season in week 2 and they promptly were irrelevant.
Looks like
You’re assuming the late season collapse with this prediction.
And what’s with the OL is too old theory? With the exception of Flo, they are all around 30, that is not old for an offensive lineman.
According to this prediction, the Cowboys are 4-4 at home. Doubtful.
I give this scenario a D-
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
I'd say they're old...
LT – Flozell Adams – Turns 34 on Monday.
LG – Kyle Kosier – Turns 31 in Nov.
C – Andre Gurode – 31
RG – Leonard Davis – Turns 31 in Sept.
RT – Marc Colombo – Turns 31 in Oct.
That’s average of 31.6. In the NFL, that’s ancient. I haven’t done any research on this, but that might be the oldest O-Line in the NFL.
Not to bring my team into it and start a fight, but just as a frame of reference, Philly’s 5 O-Line starters average just under 27 years old. (Not sure when they each celebrate their birthdays, so it might push that number up to a shade over 27… But it would still be a difference of well over 4 years on average, which is a pretty drastic difference.
I did the research...
It looks like there is one team that has an O-Line that is older than that of the Cowboys. To my delight, it’s another NFC East team… the Washington Redskins!!!
LT – Chris Samuels – 31
LG – Derrick Dockery – 28
C – Casey Rabach – 31
RG – Randy Thomas – 33
RT – Jon Jansen – 33
The other teams that were old (but not quite as old as Washington and Dallas) were the Raiders, Jags, Bears and Lions.
As an Eagles fan playing in the same division as the 2 oldest O-Lines in the NFL, I gotta say, I’m feeling (as Larry David would say) “Prettaaaayyyy, prettaaaaaaayyyyy, prettaaaaaaaaaaayyyyy good.”
Looks like
It’s not a theory! Second oldest in the league.
Being a fan doesn’t mean you have to drink the kool-aid! When we were awesome, I had visions of 19-0 seasons. When we sucked out loud, I had visions of 3-13 seasons. Right now we have some really strong talent at the top of our roster. However, the middle and bottom of our roster struggles just to be considered adequate. Part of that is the nature of the NFL these days. But my big concern is the O-Line. If we lose any significant time from a starter our offense is going to grind to a halt. And their age makes it a probability that we will lose at least one for several games.
Don't worry
There are all kinds of fans. You are no less a fan for seeing things a little differently. In my opinion, I think 8-8 or 9-7 is more realistic than 10 or 11 wins. Its a tough december again and I think we can expect a Phillips led team to not show up for at least one of those should-win games.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
Although...
Didn’t the same Phillips team win all the should wins in 2007?
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on May 19, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Just because I said that 30-32 is not old for the O-line
Doesn’t mean I am some kind of homer that is blinded to reality. Stick your prediction in file 13 where it belongs.
You want to predict 8-8, go ahead, but your basis for it is unfounded. You might as well skip the season since you’ve already written us off. I’m sick of the Debbie Downers that feel the need to post a complete waste of a fanpost so they can tell everyone on the site how lousy this team is. If they do finish above 8-8, you better be back posting that you were wrong!
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on May 18, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Hell Yes
I’ll do that! I’d be happy as a pig in shiznit to write that post.
Dammit, I don’t want the Cowboys to go 8-8, but that’s how I see it.
Just because I predicted it doesn’t make it so. If that were the case I’d be predicting 19-0.
sheesh!
Language mister
And don’t get all huffy with me, you’re the one that felt compelled to make a post of your dismal prediction. Expect to get some negative feedback, or don’t dare to do it.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on May 21, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Why are you being a DB?
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on May 25, 2009 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Bye, Dawk
what YOU need to worry about is how GOOD an offensive line is and not how old. The devil you know is better than the one you don’t. The Eagles have TWO new tackles if I’m not mistaken and you will still have to play the team that led the NFC in sacks last year. You think that’s going to be some kind of party or something? There is no gurantee that they will play better than Runyan and Tra Thomas or even as well. BTW, how’s that secondary doing? Dawkins? Gone! Sheppard? Gone! Sheldon Brown gonna show up and play or cry all year? You need to worry about your own team’s issues, we"ll do just fine with ours.
Also Andrews is making a move from tackle to guard..
So alot of stuff going on in that line. chances are there not going to be great right away. Plus Osi and Ware 4 times a season….. SCARY
It’s actually guard to tackle, but that’s probably what you meant. Stacy Andrews played RT last year, so if his brother struggles, it’s no big deal – they can just flip-flop. Another note on the chemistry issue… Peters was Shawn Andrews’ roomate in college at Arkansas, and as for Stacy and Shawn Andrews… I’d say they’re pretty familiar with each other, and they’ll be playing side by side.
I’ll address those one at a time…
- Secondary… Yup, we lost Sheppard and Dawkins. Sheppard was our dime back most of the year, and in the playoffs he even lost that job. No loss there whatsoever. Dawkins… Well, my name should tell you all you need to know about my feelings on that issue. But with that said, Qunitin Demps definitely looks like a player (and will undoubtedly is a better safety in coverage than Dawkins was the past few years), and if he’s not ready then we have Sean Jones. Trivia – How many safeties in the NFL have had more interceptions the past 3 years than Sean Jones? 2. Just 2. As for Brown, he recently stated that we can expect to not hear another word out of him this year, so I’m not too worried there. Meanwhile, we added Ellis Hobbs, we have a nice solid CB in Joselio Hanson, a star in Asante Samuel, and in case you haven’t noticed… Quintin Mikell at SS… Phenominal player. I’d say we’re absolutely LOADED in the secondary.
- O-Line – Shawn Andrews – multiple Pro Bowls. Jason Peters – multiple Pro Bowls. Plus Jamaal Jackson is a solid center, Stacy Andrews can dominate at guard, and of all the players on the roster, Andy Reid singled out Todd Herremans the player on the Eagles that should have made the Pro Bowl last year. Meanwhile, both Nick Cole AND Max Jean-Gilles filled in for Shawn Andrews last year and both played great. Yeah, I’d say we’re fine there, too.
So THAT’S the best you got when picking at the Eagles’ team? Back to the drawing board, brother.
Man,
you are seriously dreaming. I will give you that Sean Jones has been a pretty good SS in Cleveland but the rest of the guys you are talking about have done absolutely nothing! The fact you won’t hear a word out of Brown does not necessarily bode well for you either. As for the rest of those clowns Ellis Hobbs, Quentin MiKell and that household name Joselio Hanson!!?? Please tell me what has Joselio Hanson ever done to earn the praise “nice solid CB” and Quentin Mikell is a “phenomenal player!!??” Dude, you need to stop.
Also, think about this little morsel. What team would truly trade a pro bowl left tackle for a lower 1st round pick? If you had a true pro bowl left tackle would you trade him for ANY rookie? Think about it man. Let’s see him make the pro bowl in the NFC east. That’s not to mention offensive linemen changing positions. You all have more problems than you think.
Hahaha...
You’re clueless….
Show me another team in the NFL with more depth at corner…
CB – Asante Samuel – 2x Super Bowl Champion, 2x Pro Bowler (2007, 2008), All Pro selcetion 2007
CB – Sheldon Brown – Highly productive, extremely underrated CB
CB – Ellis Hobbs – 3 year starter on the best team in the NFL. Super Bowl winner.
CB – Joselio Hanson – Could start on plenty of NFL teams. For now he’s our dime back.
CB – Jack Ikeguonu – Drafted last year in the 4th round. Was projected to go in the 1st round last year, but slipped to the 4th because he torn his ACL and stole an X-Box. Maybe he contributes, maybe he doesn’t.
CB – Macho Harris – Drafted this year. Might be safety, might be a corner. TBD.
FS – Quintin Demps – ? Who knows? We’ll see. If he struggles, again, Sean Jones is there.
SS – Qunitin Mikell – Here’s where you really just have no idea. I’ll go this far… He’s our 3rd best defensive player after Trent Cole and Asante Samuel. And if you don’t believe me, that’s cool. Believe the people the 50 sportswriters that vote for the All-Pro team… He made 2nd team… http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80dfd4f6&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true. And just in case you’re don’t want to click on the link, I’ll copy and paste. Note the other players that are 2nd team All-Pro… Pretty good company…
Second-Team Defense
Ends: Julius Peppers, Carolina; John Abraham, Atlanta.
Tackles: Kris Jenkins, N.Y. Jets; Haloti Ngata, Baltimore.
Outside linebackers: Joey Porter, Miami; Terrell Suggs, Baltimore.
Inside linebackers: Patrick Willis, San Francisco; James Farrior, Pittsburgh.
Cornerbacks: Charles Woodson, Green Bay; Antoine Winfield, Minnesota.
Safeties: Adrian Wilson, Arizona; (tie) Quintin Mikell, Philadelphia; Nick Collins, Green Bay
Punter: Donnie Jones, St. Louis.
S – Sean Jones – 14 picks the past 3 years. Again, only 2 other safeties in the NFL have had more… And he isn’t even the starter here!
Of all the things you could potentially pick to bash about the Eagles, it’s funny that you’d bash this group of players. Is there a better secondary in the entire NFL? I’m not so sure there is.
Like John Goodman said in The Big Lebowski… “You’re out of your element Donnie.”
1-5 in the East? No way. That's bubkis.
Is it too early to ask what round I should aim for Felix in my fantasy football league?
by Aaron Novinger on May 18, 2009 10:46 PM CDT reply actions
I think your prediction of the Giants as SB Champs is more puzzling.
They still have a top shelf defense that will get even better with the addition of Canty and a returning Umeniyora and they still have the best o-line in the league thus their running game should still flatten teams, but I just worry so much about little Eli and that receiving corps that isn’t going to be much better than what the Titans have routinely trotted out. The lack of a real receiving corps killed the Giants at the end of the season last year and they haven’t upgraded that unit at all. Even if their defense and running game is enough to lead them to a solid regular season, the lack of a passing game will surely doom them in the playoffs. Perhaps you’re banking on Domenik Hixon being a breakout star? To me, I don’t see the odds of that happening being any better than our very own Miles Austin becoming a superstar. Hixon’s still an unknown as just a wide receiver.
As for the Cowboys, I’ll say 10-6 but I could just as easily see 11-5 from looking at the schedule.
Also...
If someone is going to be high on predicting injuries, why would you not look at the fact that Brandon Jacobs is a walking injury magnet.
The dude is a fierce running back, but he’s so big that he’s sticking his body out on the line every time he runs. He takes tons of punishment.
If he somehow went down early in the season, the Giants would be hurting badly.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on May 19, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Now that you bring it up, I just think Jacobs is way overdue for a cataclysmic injury.
Actually, I’m hoping for it. He’s one of the bigger douches in the league. What kind of sissy taunts other players between whistles then does a Vlade Divac-like flop so he can draw a cheap unsportsmanlike conduct penalty? Jacobs; that’s who.
So what if the punk did go down?
Well, they might have gotten a pretty solid pick-up in the 4th round in Andre Brown. If their line is as good as I think it is, they could still have a solid 1-2 punch with Bradshaw and him or whoever their 2nd option would end up being in such a scenario. But I do agree that their running attack as a whole would suffer substantial dropoff without Jacobs as the centerpiece. I kind of think the Giants line is good enough that they can just plug-and-play like the Broncos have been doing for years and get production out of whomever. But Jacobs is a unique blend of size and agility so he wouldn’t be easily replaced or replicated. If something did happen where the game was finally on Eli’s shoulders, that would be must-see TV for all the wrong reasons.
I can't believe you all aren't seeing what HutHut is really trying to do here
If he predicts we go 15-1 or 12-4, it jinxes our Beloved Boyz.
That’s why he’s going out on a limb and saying we’re gonna go 8-8.
I say we go 5-11.
psst… i suck at predictions, so that means we’ll have a better chance the worse a record i predict for our team
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