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Roy Williams: In The Crosshairs

Roy Williams is growing tired of his critics and appears ready to serve them all a Texas-sized glass of shut-the-hell-up.

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Roy Williams is growing tired of his critics and appears ready to serve them all a Texas-sized glass of shut-the-hell-up.

Cowboys wide receiver Roy Williams has been the object of quite a bit of media scrutiny lately. The media wants to know the answer to the question that has been a major topic on this blog since Williams was acquired mid-season: Can Roy Williams be a number one receiver?

To answer this question, we must first determine what exactly is to be expected of a number one wide receiver. Last season Terrell Owens was the Cowboys’ number one receiver, catching 69 passes for 1,052 yards and 10 touchdowns. I tracked the stats for the top wide receiver for each NFL team in 2008. The top wide receiver for each team averaged 74 receptions, 999 yards, and just over 5 touchdowns. I for one would be satisfied if Roy Williams could match these numbers…but in this offense I think he could destroy them.

Star-divide

Before we evaluate Roy Williams' career production, can we just throw 2008 out the window please? I mean, Roy had to deal with Dan Orlovsky and Duante Culpepper in a mediocre offense for six weeks. Then Roy was shoehorned into a Tony Romo-less Dallas offense, only to limp through Romo's return with a foot injury. 2008 cast aside, Roy Williams averaged 61 receptions, 913 yards, and 7 touchdowns per season in his career in Detroit.

If Roy can post those numbers in Detroit with a much lesser supporting cast, he ought to be in good shape in Dallas with such a wide array of weapons around him. He may be staring down the barrel of double coverage quite a bit at first. But if Jason Witten continues to be Jason Witten, and guys like Miles Austin, Martellus Bennett and Felix Jones can consistently make defenses pay, Roy may see some more favorable coverages. Roy put up decent numbers in Detroit, and now finds himself in the best situation of his career in Dallas.

Roy can run, but doesn't have the straight-line speed of Owens, or even Austin. He is not overly sudden at the line of scrimmage either. Williams does however tower over his peers when it comes to his exceptional leaping ability and body control. Williams also possesses good strength, and is one of the best in the league at high-pointing the football. Cowboys fans should not be expecting to see a lot of the 60 and 70-yard touchdowns that we saw from Owens. What can be expected is a lot more catches in traffic, a lot of first downs, and a ton of jump balls in the corner of the end zone. With Roy Williams, the Cowboys have a touchdown anytime they want one inside the 10-yard line.

DC.com currently has some footage up of a recent Roy Williams interview. Williams was grilled about his work ethic and whether or not he thought he could be a number one. Roy looked and sounded irritated about having to answer the questions, and I have to tell you I like the fact that he was so annoyed by the questions. If you watch the interview, it quickly becomes clear that Roy Williams is confident in his own abilities. To his credit, Williams has been in putting in a ton of work with Romo, and taking all of the right steps toward making a major impact next season.

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D*mn man...

..always seem to rec your posts.. it’s becoming a bad habit.. lol

Hooah.

by .FRoST.USAF on May 16, 2009 7:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Roy will destroy his numbers from Detroit

You can bank on that. I don’t know if he’ll be ridiculous good, but I do know he’ll be far better here than he was there. All the criticism should soon be put to rest and hopefully never be heard of again after this season.

by sublimezg on May 16, 2009 8:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

I hope we here some I’m sorry for doubting you, Roy

"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards

by nicholas.rodriguez on May 16, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha

that will never happen.. maybe on NFLN but never on BSPN.. besides, who gives a damn what the rat bastards think. Us against the world baby!

by sublimezg on May 16, 2009 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He’s either gonna go all or out, or bust… he WILL be a threat….

Hooah.

by .FRoST.USAF on May 16, 2009 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

fixed

He’s gonna go all or out!

by sublimezg on May 16, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

7:30pm.. I made more 3 pointers than Dirk last night… beer pong ftw

Hooah.

by .FRoST.USAF on May 16, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Roy will be fine

our offense will be fine, I don’t get what so many people are clamoring about. There are teams with far less offensive firepower than us and they do just fine.

"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips

by MrMinority on May 16, 2009 8:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Just imagine if Austin develops to a good deep threat WR, Roy than can work underneath

as much as Romo throws him the ball, I also think he can better TO’s numbers

by dcfanz on May 16, 2009 8:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Roy Williams a #1 or #2?

I had a Roy Williams conversation with my stepson that went to U.T. today. He is a huge Longhorn fan and watched and kept up with Roy the whole time he was at U.T. His take is that Roy has #1 receiver talent but a #2 receiver’s heart. He does not want to be great and just coast along on his talent. I am really concerned that Jerry gave up too much for him and he is not any better than we saw last year. I did not and still do not like the trade. I hope Roy changes my mind.

Carl, I hope Roy is working with Romo and he plays up to his ability this year. If Roy can’t draw some double coverage it will be hard to run the ball this year.

by cowboy1966 on May 16, 2009 8:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Guy...

… dont be the 1400000000000000000000 critic on Roy Williams…. give him this offseason…. he DOES have the talent… i was at UT for 2 years and saw him play alot… he’s a BEAST… ever wonder why Barry Sanders retired from Detroit? “He was tired of being on a losing team w/ bad players”.

Seriously, all, drop the RW stuff till the season starts..or…

just watch ESPN.

Hooah.

by .FRoST.USAF on May 16, 2009 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I want Roy to do good.

I want the Cowboys to win. But based on what he did last year and some of the previous years you have to admit he is a long way from a sure thing.

by cowboy1966 on May 17, 2009 7:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So this blog is only for people who say what you want to hear?

The guy gave an opinion, that’s allowed here last I knew

by StillHateTheGiants on May 18, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah... you're right...

I did come off a lil’ hostile.. sorry about that ‘cowboy’…

Hooah.

by .FRoST.USAF on May 18, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Calvin Johnson

made the best of what he got from the same offence in Detroit. I’m not throwing out 2008 for Roy.

by ym on May 16, 2009 9:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

But Calvin johnson didn't switch teams mid-season.

Jerry Jones could go in his sock, slap you wit a stack of hundreds, then catch you again on the backswing wit 3 Super Bowl rings. So who the hell are you makin' fun of?

by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on May 16, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then what do mean by

“I mean, Roy had to deal with Dan Orlovsky and Duante Culpepper in a mediocre offense for six weeks.”
Calvin had to deal with Dan Orlovsky and Duante Culpepper in a mediocre offense for six weeks, too. Calvin had to deal with a mediocre offense for 16 games. I wouldn’t even call Detriot’s offense mediocre. I would call it terrible.
When he came here, in 7 starts he had 19 catches. Our offense was better than mediocre last season.
If he and the team felt that he’s OK to be on the field, I’m not making any excuses for him. If Roy was on the field because of his pedigree, then he was a cancer that prohibited the team’s success.

by ym on May 16, 2009 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That never really got addressed.

The team wanted to use his foot as an excuse-But then why was he playing?

I was sick of seeing him hanging around on the field the last 3 games. I’d would rather have put a young but healthy body out there.

by Realist Larry on May 17, 2009 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You have to take the whole paragraph

Not just the sentence that supports you argument.

Before we evaluate Roy Williams’ career production, can we just throw 2008 out the window please? I mean, Roy had to deal with Dan Orlovsky and Duante Culpepper in a mediocre offense for six weeks. Then Roy was shoehorned into a Tony Romo-less Dallas offense, only to limp through Romo’s return with a foot injury.

And he’s a cancer for playing hurt? Really?

Jerry Jones could go in his sock, slap you wit a stack of hundreds, then catch you again on the backswing wit 3 Super Bowl rings. So who the hell are you makin' fun of?

by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on May 17, 2009 7:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plus...

Calvin Johnson is a freak of nature.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by AirforceBat on May 17, 2009 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

He is a freak. Detroit doesn’t even have a QB in the top 25 rankings for starting QBs and Calvin puts up the #s he does on an 0-16 team? That is sick

by cow_fanatic on May 17, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I read that

and once you’re cleared to be on the field, there’s no excuses.
And yes, he was a cancer. If he was that injured that he couldn’t run, he shouldn’t have been on the field. Both he and the staff felt he was good enough to be on the field for 7 starts out of nine games. He was on the field with Romo on 6 of his 7 starts. The staff should have let other players contribute more, such as Austin or Crayton. If he was on the field because of his pedigree or political reasons, I have nothing but the upmost comtempt for the Cowboys staff.
Players play with injuries all the time. TO played with a broken hand in his first season with us, but none of us makes excuses for his drops. When TO sprained his ankle in 2007, he told the coaches to treat him like a regular player when he’s on the field (he played with a broken leg in the Super Bowl!). Fitzgerald played with a broken thumb and other hand injuries at the end of last season. They made the best of what they had. I see no evidence that Roy did.

by ym on May 17, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The best comparison

Is the Chris Chambers trade from a couple of years ago. He wasn’t very effective during the year he was traded, but the following season he played much better. This is because he had a whole off-season to practice with the Chargers, digest the playbook, and develop a relationship with Philip Rivers.

Last year was just brutal because of what we gave up for Roy and what the immediate results were. I still don’t agree with the move, but it isn’t fair to label Roy a bust just yet.

by DoomsdayD75 on May 17, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's easy to have a good average when you remove the bad numbers.

If we are removing Roy’s worst season, let’s also remove his best season. Since his average yardage including that season is higher than the actual yardage of any season besides that one, it would seem to be the anomaly. So, tossing his worst season and his best season, he averages 54 catches 781 yards, and 7 touchdowns. That’s slightly better than Patrick Crayton’s numbers the last couple of years. The one constant is his TD catches, but 7 is still far less than 12 per year that Owens averaged. Further, his leaping ability is less of a factor because Romo consistently underthrows the fade in the end zone.

I hope that Roy proves me and his other detractors wrong, but the numbers don’t suggest that he will.

by Baked Potato Soup on May 16, 2009 10:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCmK8_Kp_eM&fmt=18

there…i rest my case

"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips

by MrMinority on May 16, 2009 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't necessarily agree with your stance on Roy

But it’s true, everybody has a highlight reel to make them look badass…

Epic Fail since 1985

by the red scare on May 17, 2009 1:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Roy's is longer

AND it’s mostly showing him in the end zone.

So pardon my disposition; why should I listen to a system that never listened to me?

by NICK L on May 19, 2009 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

with romo's abilities..

I have no doubt he will be a star, Fitzgerald style!

by beautifultyrant on May 17, 2009 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

As with all great qbs, Romo can make average wrs look good and good receivers look great.

RW will be just fine.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on May 18, 2009 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Example?

What good receivers has Romo made look great or average ones has he made look good?

by Baked Potato Soup on May 18, 2009 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...

I like Romo, but I don’t know the evidence that he has to back that up, besides that Tony Romo touched a dying woman the other day and all was healed.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by AirforceBat on May 19, 2009 7:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that is not true.......

In fact, Witten had a better year in 2004 than he did last year if you look at his statistics. Witten is a great TE with/without Romo. That’s not a slap against Romo, but Witten makes Romo better and vice versa. You always, say you win/lose as a team, but you never want to give other guys their dues. Witten would be a great TE on any team that had a good QB so don’t take that away from him. It’s these kinds of outlandish statements that get guys all stirred up against you/Romo.

by texstar on May 19, 2009 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I never said Witten wasn't a great TE without Romo

I’m saying Romo makes him better.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on May 20, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

did you not say this?

What good receivers has Romo made look great or average ones has he made look good?

by texstar on May 20, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

look above......

BPS said, " what good receivers has Romo made look great?" You said “every receiver on the roster including Witten.” How is that not saying that Witten is not a great TE without Romo?

by texstar on May 20, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I said Romo makes him a great receiving TE

Without Romo he’s still a great TE, but just a good receiver.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on May 21, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't exactly call 2004 just a good receiver......

when he put up 88 receptions for 980 yds vs. last year 81 receptions for 952 yds (Romo was not QB at the time). I don’t even know why I bother arguing with you, but Witten is a great Receiving TE with/without Romo period. Terry, it’s okay to give someone else credit on the team besides Romo. Just admit it, I got you on that one and so now you’re trying to split hairs by rephrasing it to “great TE just good receiver.”

by texstar on May 21, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...

Witten was putting up good numbers with Vinnie Testaverde.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by AirforceBat on May 21, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love me some Romo....

But I don’t how you can say he has made everyone look better.

He MIGHT have, but you have no substantial evidence to really back that up.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by AirforceBat on May 19, 2009 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you're exaggerating a bit......

After all, Rice is a HOF receiver when Austin hasn’t even played a full season yet. Give him a year and then we’ll see if you can back that statement up.

by texstar on May 19, 2009 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm pretty positive.

Regaberto was being sarcastic.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by AirforceBat on May 20, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry, regaberto.......

I’m getting so used to some guys over-exaggerating that I thought you meant it.

by texstar on May 20, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its all good.

I dont get to worked up I got finals going so my minds eleswere.

by regaberto on May 20, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crayton?

Basically, throw high to Roy; he’s going to win the jump ball.

So pardon my disposition; why should I listen to a system that never listened to me?

by NICK L on May 19, 2009 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

im not sure what you have to back this up

i don’t think theres any evidence at all to support that.

but that being said, I think TO was kinda overrated here and that his one elite year (2007) happened to be when our oline gave our passing game all kinds of time to throw. In 2006-2008, he struggled with the press, and specifically in 2006, we saw some pretty bad cbs shut him down. We’ll have to see how he does in buffalo and how we do without him to get a real feel for what he does for this team. My guess is TO doesn’t have a 1000 yard season, maybe less than 900.

by foyesboys on May 18, 2009 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Care to make a friendly wager on that?

Gift certificate or something to the restaurant of the winner’s choice?

by Baked Potato Soup on May 20, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've never thought our OL was that good

Even in 2007 I would see Romo scrambling a lot in the backfield. If you’re going to say that TO was able to put up those numbers in 2007 because our “good” OL, then you have to say TO put those average numbers in 2008 because of a lousy OL.
TO’s YPA against red corners was miserable last year, but in 2007, he was at the top. Elite-elite.

by ym on May 20, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What's your case?

Every player has a highlight package.

by Baked Potato Soup on May 16, 2009 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you know this is a special guy...

and a special highlight package. His body control, understanding of field positioning, presence of mind…is special. Will he be great? I don’t know…we have to have the other parts (o line) working for him.

I have noticed a new resurgence in Cowboy hating in 2007, which can only mean one thing- We're back.

by nspirals on May 16, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope so.

But for a special guy, he has had one special year, 3 decent years, and one bad year. That sounds more like a pretty good but not great guy. Hopefully he’ll break out, but I guess that if he doesn’t, we can blame the line somehow.

by Baked Potato Soup on May 16, 2009 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he's pretty good.

Whether he’s special or not remains to be seen. As noted, other than one season, he has never had even one more 65 catch and/or 1,000 yard season.

by Baked Potato Soup on May 16, 2009 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

true enough...

I just think (hope) that he will bring his A game…and his A game, in this offense, is damned good. I still think the key is our o line and run game….if that hits on all cylinders, I think even a sub par #1 WR would have a decent year. And we agree, he’s not subpar.

I have noticed a new resurgence in Cowboy hating in 2007, which can only mean one thing- We're back.

by nspirals on May 16, 2009 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

2:35

Ya’ll just dont know… I’d bet my next paycheck on it. =)

Hooah.

by .FRoST.USAF on May 17, 2009 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love all the negativity...

that the media is throwing at this guy…he might have been able to coast on talent before but now, great things are being expected of him from one of the dominant teams in the NFL. He has the skills, he can make a huge difference for us. If Miles can become a legit deep threat and stay healthy, I think our receivers will be fine. I am more concerned about the decline of Flozell and how that will impact us.

I have noticed a new resurgence in Cowboy hating in 2007, which can only mean one thing- We're back.

by nspirals on May 16, 2009 10:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

What if

The Giants picked him up to replace Plaxico?

Would there be so much negativity? Or would Coughlin yet again be a genius (only a few years removed from being nearly fired).

So pardon my disposition; why should I listen to a system that never listened to me?

by NICK L on May 19, 2009 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes.

And a lot of it would be coming from Cowboys fans.

by Baked Potato Soup on May 20, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ahhh, a voice of reason

Before we evaluate Roy Williams’ career production, can we just throw 2008 out the window please? I mean, Roy had to deal with Dan Orlovsky and Duante Culpepper in a mediocre offense for six weeks Then Roy was shoehorned into a Tony Romo-less Dallas offense

Yes we can throw out 08. Did the “experts” expect this guy to pack his bags, come to Dallas mid season, TO screaming for the ball, no Romo, ect, and just light it up? I cant believe so many people are killing this guy.
BTW…His lone TD against Tampa was huge in a game we absolutely needed to win. More of that to come

by fretman on May 16, 2009 11:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Let's also throw out 2006, then.

As noted above, his average yardage, when you toss out his worst season, is higher than 3 of the remaining 4 years. So let’s also toss out his best season, and the average is closer to his real averages.

by Baked Potato Soup on May 16, 2009 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The point of throwing out 2008

is the fact that Roy faced some unusual circumstances. Being hurt, switching teams mid season. 2006 was just a good year for Roy.

Jerry Jones could go in his sock, slap you wit a stack of hundreds, then catch you again on the backswing wit 3 Super Bowl rings. So who the hell are you makin' fun of?

by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on May 17, 2009 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unusually good.

I mean, that’s the point of averages, that the unusually good evens out the unusually bad, and you get a good scope of what is typical for the player. I understand there are a lot of excuses for him, but if you’re tossing his worst year, then to be fair you should toss his best. if you eliminate the worst 20% of most players’ data pool, they start looking a lot better.

by Baked Potato Soup on May 17, 2009 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not buying that argument

He earned those stats in 06. Why take that away? Your argument is based on if Roy just flat out stunk in 08 (dropped balls, poor routes, unmotivated) If that was the case then your right, you cant throw out 08. But that wasnt the case. The circumstances were beyond his control.

by fretman on May 17, 2009 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He played, didn't he?

Does not getting open count for just stinking? He played a full season last year and put up miserable stats, whatever excuses are being made for him. Tossing out his worst year is not an average, that’s the average of his 4 best years.

The truth is that his numbers last year, other than TDs, were closer to his average than his numbers in 2006, and his worst year was closer to his next worse year than his best year to the next best. That means that 2006 was the more unusual year, and if any should be tossed, it’s that one. But to be fair, I say toss his best and his worst or include them both.

by Baked Potato Soup on May 17, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just agree more with Carl

all the things he listed were a recipe for disaster. True, maybe he could’ve done a little more in 08. But being a hopeless optimist (there’s an oxymoron huh?) (good screen name, lol) I truly believe being out of Detroit (still rebuilding) and being on a better team with a better qb, he’ll put up numbers closer to 06 than 08

by fretman on May 17, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope you're right.

I would love nothing better than at the end of the season to say, “You were right, and I was wrong. You’re smart and I’m stupid. You’re good looking and I’m not attractive…”

Besides, that Danny White #11 that I’ve been wearing since i was 9 is probably ready to be retired anyway.

by Baked Potato Soup on May 17, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Special Circumstances

If Roy just had a bad season, we wouldn’t want to take it out of the average for analytic purposes. BUT, this wasn’t strictly a poor performance on his part. As Carl has already pointed out, much of Roy’s failure last season was due to injury, switching teams, playing opposite a whining TO and of course, playing on the LIONS and with BRAD JOHNSON for half of last season.

If we were talking about TO, we could not take away last season because his down year is only minimally attributable to factors other than his own play (e.g. he did play 3 games without Romo, but did not have to switch teams, play for DETROIT, share pass attempts with other #1 receivers, or play with a foot injury)

I think that everyone is still bent out of shape over the slower return, but remember that costs and benefits rarely manifest at the same time.

If you buy a sick new TV, you’re happy when it gets home, but until you have that superbowl/fight party, you have not realized the benefits.

Likewise, in the 1950s, companies saw using asbestos as beneficial only to realize the cost (mesothelioma) over 40 years later. Sorry to be grim, but it makes the point clear.

Start to consider the benefits BEYOND Roy’s 2008 performance:

1.Bringing him in mid-season was a way to try to save a season otherwise clearly lost to injury. Not only did we lose Glenn to start the year, but we all know about everything else that went wrong last year. Bringing in another star, at the very least provided HOPE that not all was lost, and DID WIN THE BUCS GAME!!! Was Crayton going to make that corner of the endzone catch? The Bucs victory in Romo’s absence at least put this team in a position to fight for a playoff spot in week 17 (unfortunately, we all know what happened here as well).

2. Although a few of you are surely unhappy with his current contract, it would certainly have been higher this offseason.

3. We now have a WR who DOES NOT NEED SEPERATION. Roy is a good route runner, but does not even have to break away from most DBs to make the catch. Just lob it up there and watch the best athlete in the area (ROY) jump up there and get it. Roy is too fast for the DBs big enough to jump with him and is too physical for the little guys who can stick with him. His concentration on the ball and body control are something TO never had. If TO (like Miles Austin) doesn’t get open, that’s it. With Roy, rather than TO, I’m not sure where our overall offense stands, but 2 things are certain:
-We now have the BEST redzone offense in the league (ROY, Witten, Martellus, Barber…)
-We are now more equipped to get first downs on third down. TO dropped passes, and often failed to get open, leaving Romo to dump off to Barber a little too often. Now, he’ll have a guy he can trust to make a catch even if there’s a little DB glued to him.

So pardon my disposition; why should I listen to a system that never listened to me?

by NICK L on May 19, 2009 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But that's not an average.

Besides, his best season is further from his true average than his worst, so it is just as much of an anomaly. He earned his statistics last year just like he earned them in 2006. That’s the point of looking at averages rather than just referring to the previous year, to account for unusual circumstances over the course of his career. If your adjusted average is superior than his actual results for every year except his best season, then your data adjustment is flawed. I’m not talking about just last season, I’m talking about his career, but I’m not going to just throw out his worst season because it doesn’t suit me, unless you are also willing to throw out his best – which is just as much of a statistical anomaly.

by Baked Potato Soup on May 20, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know what the experts expected

But I am sure that Jerry Jones expected that.

"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach

by dave33 on May 18, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why

should we judge him under such an adverse situation though. Not making excuses for him and he probably should have shown a little more last year, but the point seems to be everybody is down on this guy based on 08 and thats not really fair

by fretman on May 16, 2009 11:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm worried he's not a real #1

He only put up a thousand yards once as the primary receiver in a Mike Martz pass-happy offense. Why? And he couldn’t get open with TO on the other side. How will he deal with doubleteams as a #1? I hope he succeeds, but I don’t see the reason to expect him to do so.

by JimmyJohnson on May 16, 2009 11:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Dont fret Jimmy

A change of scenery can do wonders for many players. Plus we really dont need him to put up Randy Moss or TO in his prime numbers. Remember New England before they got Moss? Let them double team him and I see wheel route to Felix Jones on the other side for a TD or a pass down the seam to Witten for the score!

by fretman on May 17, 2009 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

#1 receiver talent with #2 receiver heart

sounds about right. As someone else mentioned, Calvin Johnson had no trouble shining despite being on that same mediocre Detroit team.

Maybe being back in the Lonestar State will be a positive change for him though.

by Cowboys4Life on May 17, 2009 12:37 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

All the doubters have good arguments.

But the guy obviously has talent and could do very wery well next year!
We’ll find out in 4 months.

The problem for him is the price we paid.

Like TO, who put up good #‘s but was never really worth what we paid him, if RW doesn’t put up " #1 receiver " type of receptions/yards, the question is going to be “Why did we give up a #1 and a #3 then?”

There’s nothing wrong with 75 catches, 900 yards, and 8 TD’s. But would that be worth the price we paid?

by Realist Larry on May 17, 2009 12:53 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Those numbers

and a SB win. Who cares what we gave up

4 months…ugh! cmon calendar

by fretman on May 17, 2009 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

After I posted I was going to add the same thing.

It’ll be worth the price if we win in the postseason!

by Realist Larry on May 17, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

To the people saying that Calvin Johnson did well with Detroit’s offense and RW didn’t, remember, Calvin Johnson was the one getting the majority of the passes instead of RW. So of course Calvin Johnson ended up with better stats.

by lonewolf on May 17, 2009 1:01 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yep

It may be a tad unfair to compare Roy and Calvin. Calvin Johnson’s an entirely different beast.

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by the red scare on May 17, 2009 1:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

Detroit has been drafting WR’s in the top of the 1st round for like the past 10 yrs. Sooner or later they’d find someone special like CJ. But if the losing continues over there, I wonder what his attitude will be like in a few years.

But the point is, even if we overpaid a little for RW, we dont need him to be as good as CJ. (although we can dream right?) He’ll do just fine in this loaded Cowboy offense

by fretman on May 17, 2009 7:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Numbers not necessarily higher?

I just wonder if his overall numbers will necessarily be higher just because he’s surrounded by more other threats. There’s a point where they help take pressure off him, but there’s also a point where they are taking targets away from him, and there’s only so many balls to go around. We want more touches for Felix, Tellus, Miles, even Choice. Hopefully the offense will be more productive overall with so many weapons, but RW could be an important contributor even if he doesn’t destroy his previous numbers, as long as he’s also helping to take the pressure off them and open up the whole offense. Obviously he has to be a key contributor, but few teams have so many weapons, so we don’t necessarily need huge production from our #1 WR to still be plenty productive on offense if all the parts are clicking together.

by scottmaui on May 17, 2009 8:19 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

100% correct

stats and numbers are for the back of football cards

by fretman on May 17, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Defining a #1 Wide Receiver

My definition of a #1 wide receiver isn’t based so much on the numbers he puts up. I define a #1 wide receiver is a guy who consistently beats and sometimes destroys single coverage, thereby forcing the defense to keep a safety back in coverage and roll him over to double. A true number #1 wide receiver opens up the offense for everyone else, especially the running game that will see far less of eight men in the box.

If Roy Williams puts up 70 catches for 900 yards and 7 td’s against predominantly single coverage then he is just another wide receiver. However, if he puts up those numbers against mostly double coverage, then this Cowboys offense will soar and he will be a true #1.

by Cowboy Louie on May 17, 2009 8:50 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Exactly Louie

Number ones will make you pay for lapses in coverage. Not necessarily by getting 80 yard TD’s, but by extending drives and getting big chunks of yardage. Michael Irvin had a ton of receptions that led to 1 yard TD runs by Emmit. Anyone want to argue whether Irvin was a number one reciever?

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by GunsUp on May 18, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can see him

destroying single coverage especially in the red zone

by fretman on May 17, 2009 9:06 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I actually hope we don't have a No. 1 anything

Because that means the ball is being spread evenly over our 9 offensive skill players who can contribute to a diverse and potent offense.

There’s two ways to look at this:

1. If you have a clear No. 1 WR commanding double teams, that opens holes for others on offense.

2. If you’re spreading the ball around so effectively that the defense never knows where the ball is going they end up playing a prevent defense that can be picked apart.

I’d rather have 9 guys with 5 TD’s each, than 1 or 2 guys with 8 or 10 TD’s and the rest getting table scraps. However, if you have to have a true No. 1 guy on offense I’d much rather it be Felix Jones.

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by SB Six on May 17, 2009 9:47 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

And Romo needs to take that to heart.

This is the best argument for ‘addition by subtraction’ in getting rid of Owens.

Romo was at his best when he went through his reads and released the ball quickly to whichever receiver was open. Spread it around, and dump it off to Barber/Choice FJones if necessary.

Hard to do w/ TO around the last few years, although he still COULD have and just let Owens talk till his head fell off.

by Realist Larry on May 17, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Romo was never on the field without TO

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by DalaiLuke on May 17, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oops. That was supposed to continue,......

and as last season went on it seemed that he and Garrett felt pressure to force the ball TO’s way.

by Realist Larry on May 17, 2009 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he stays healthy

I will be happy. He always seems to have something wrong with his ankles, which are unusually skinny. If he gets hurt this year we will be in bad shape.

His numbers from his days in Detroit are a little bit skewed as well, since he was playing in a pass-happy Mike Martz offense for most of his career. If we throw the ball anywhere near that amount this year, we are destined for failure.

Most of all I hope he just shuts up and plays, something TO couldn’t do. That is Garrett and Romos responsibility as much as Roys though.

by DoomsdayD75 on May 17, 2009 10:49 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure if you are joking or not.

But I just used my eyes to look at him on the tv.

by DoomsdayD75 on May 17, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, it's really hard to say from TV given he's so tall and big in general

he could have big ankels but be large in every other way

He’s missed quite a few games though

by AustonianAggie on May 17, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

as comical as this little ankle thread is ...

this was actually a criteria that stood out in the media way back in the 70s … as something OUR Dallas Cowboys actually took into consideration when measuring draftees. The theory was that, because the Cowboys had so many excellent drafts in the early 70s, they might have been on to something with “ankle size”

who knows … or, better… quien saaaaaaaabe …. or in thai… Mai rooooooooooooo

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by DalaiLuke on May 17, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love this stuff!

It’s really not whether he can be, is, or will be a #1 WR. It’s how the different skill set he brings will change our entire offensive scheme. You really have to compare T.O. and Roy to understand the impacts.

Roy’s hands are so much better than T.O.‘s ever were, it’s not even worth comparing. RW seldom lets balls get into his chest and is a master at high-pointing the ball when in the air.

On the other hand, Roy doesn’t have the explosiveness that T.O. possesses and can’t separate the way T.O. does.

The one area I want to see in Camp and beyond is how Roy runs route trees. Is he able to turn, plant and go without gearing down or taking false steps? Does he know how to set up defenders and shield the ball away from them with his 6’3" 215-pound body?

Either way, RW is certainly no T.O. and that may be a very good thing for Romo, Redball and this offense in the long run.

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by 5Blings on May 17, 2009 11:24 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ummm....
Roy’s hands are so much better than T.O.‘s ever were, it’s not even worth comparing.

Roy does have his concentration lapses, leading to a lot of easy drops.
But yes, his hands are better than T.O.’s.
Just not by that much.

Jerry Jones could go in his sock, slap you wit a stack of hundreds, then catch you again on the backswing wit 3 Super Bowl rings. So who the hell are you makin' fun of?

by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on May 17, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah....

Does anyone else feel like Romo and Roy should work tough on jump balls in the endzone?

I think with him and Martellus Bennett on the goalline, it should be Tony Romo’s dream scenario.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by AirforceBat on May 17, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point.

The Cowboys should be better in the red zone if Romo & Roy get the jump ball down. I just jope he puts in the time with Romo and dosen’t have a negative attitude. IMO his attitude was in quetion last year. Was the attitude/mouth because of T.O last year?

Roy will need to finish his routes and fight for the ball to gain Romo’s confidence. IMO he cut off some routes last year. He does not have to have T.O. numbers. But he does have to play like a #1 receiver most of the time because that is what Jerry is paying him to do. If he dosen’t Jerry hired the wrong guy.

by cowboy1966 on May 17, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is SUCH a good point...

Throw in Marion and even Choice around the goal line, and we should be MONEY in the red-zone

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by DalaiLuke on May 17, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes

more touchdowns and less field goals in the red zone. This could add a win or two over the season. IMO the defense will be better and things like protecting the ball and executing in the red zone and a team first attitude will bring a lot of joy to Cowboy fans next year.

by cowboy1966 on May 17, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he posted 61 catches and 900+yds along with 7 scores a season in Detroit, he will blow that away here.

Witten will force teams to decide to double him or Roy and either way, they both benefit.

If Austin does become the #2, it will allow him to beat teams deep with his speed and all of this is before I get to Felix Jones.

Roy will be fine…my guess is 75 catches for over 1000yds and 9 scores.

by JeffHart24 on May 17, 2009 12:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Austin isn't that fast

He’s a 4.5 40 guy. He is just our fastest receiver. He won’t blow many NFL corners away with his speed.

by JimmyJohnson on May 18, 2009 7:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's pretty fast dude.

PLEASE, 40 times are so overrated.

Felix ran a sub 4.4, but I sure as hell don’t ever see any defender catching him from behind.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by AirforceBat on May 18, 2009 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think

he has all the tools here to succeed. Good QB, good running game, good TE to keep attention off of him. Barring injury, I think he’ll come in with what TO had last year. But my guess is that Witten gets most of the TDs.

Booyah!

by what_the_crap on May 17, 2009 2:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Tellus could actually turn into a bigger red zone threat

not to say he’ll get more TDs than Witten, but we already saw them using him in red zone situations last year and I think that will just increase

by scottmaui on May 17, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

Marty B is a freakish athlete. I think that he needs to be used alot this season. Him and Witten should cause nightmares for defenses.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by AirforceBat on May 17, 2009 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Witten's value is in his speed and separation

These advantages are a bit diminished in the Red Zone, where a guy like Crumpler or – yes – our own Marty B can use their size and muscle to get it done.

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by DalaiLuke on May 18, 2009 5:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Witten is...

pretty big too though, he’s not as lanky, but he’s a big body.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by AirforceBat on May 18, 2009 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Love this

Good post. If Miles or someone can get open deep Roy and Crayton will tear up the mid range game. Roy will be huge in the Red Zone with the fade. If used correctly this offense could be very troubling for defenses. Nickel and dime it down the field and then within the 20 who are they gonna cover? Doubles on any one guy shouldn’t work with all the weapons for Romo. If they sell out to the pass hit em with the 3 headed run game. Hopefully it’s this easy, right? If everyone executes thier role, Roy will have a monster year!

by abelfan007 on May 17, 2009 7:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Makes for a scary red-zone package

Think about it -

RW2 / Witten / Bennett
Felix and Barber in the backfield.

Who can match up with 3 big boys – all who are not just big but good, atheletic receivers.
Match up with them and get Felix on a wheel route or Barber on a draw.

We could run or pass with equal effectiveness.

by Boy from Oz on May 18, 2009 7:59 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The less we focus on Roy Williams, the better

The purpose of dumping TO was to help the Cowboys become a TEAM, not a prima donna driven franchise. Now so many guys want to substitute Roy Williams for TO and debate whether Roy is up to it.

Personally, I hope the focus is on moving the ball consistently, not on getting catches for any one on the team. To me that means spreading the ball around much more effectively, starting with having Romo hand the ball off a LOT more than he has. But it also means actually throwing the ball to Felix Jones (didn’t happen even once last year), and everyone else without forcing it.

by VAfan on May 18, 2009 3:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed that we don't want another prima donna.

But if Roy or Miles or somebody doesn’t catch enough passes to draw coverage from the safety then we will not be able to run the ball effectively. That boys and girls will make us Cowboy fans very, very unhappy and cost Wade and Jason their job.

by cowboy1966 on May 18, 2009 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

The “experts” have picked the Giants and Eagles to be better than the Cowboys. Does either team have a WR as good as Roy? Maybe DeSean Jackson has a shot, but I would much rather be counting on Roy than Hakeem Nicks and Ramses Barden, wouldn’t you?

So pardon my disposition; why should I listen to a system that never listened to me?

by NICK L on May 19, 2009 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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