The Valley Ranch Review: Potentials at WR Must Produce; Would Jerry Jones Even Consider Michael Vick?

Dave Richard is clueless, Romo will always be an elite fantasy qb especially with Garrett as OC. He’ll throw for 25+ TDs and 4,000+ yds easily.

I’d say there’s not a spot for him because a) He’s not a very good QB b) We already have a backup QB who’s better suited (Kitna) c) He’s not a future or developmental prospect as he’s already 28 and there’s no chance he could beat out Tony Romo d) He’s been out of football for 2 years. That’s just pure football reasons.

Now for the off-field reasons a) The man thinks it’s funny to torture and kill animals b) He’s a PR disaster c) He repeatedly lied to his Boss’s face (the Owner) and this will have severely damaged his reputation as far as another Owner taking a chance on him d) Having a convicted felon at QB is not the sort of stable, reliable, leader-type that teams usually pursue at the most important position.

With those things in mind I wonder if any team at all will decide he’s worth the effort.

There’s very few great QB’s to begin with and then a bunch of guys who are bordering on journeyman. Just think of the nightmares D-coordinators would have if he was in the same backfield with Adrian Peterson. Atlanta got tons of big plays off Vick faking to Dunn or one of the other backs the year Atlanta led the league in rushing and made their last serious playoff push. How many big, big plays could a Vick/Peterson backfield create with similar types of fake handoff plays?

However, hypothetically speaking, I wonder how Vick would actually do as a running back? Would he have durability issues considering he’d take more clean shots taking traditional hand-offs than he’s used to taking as a scrambler? How dangerous could he be as a receiver? I actually think it would be interesting to see Vick end up on a team in the ruts like the Rams or Bengals or whomever and get 15-20 touches as a traditional running back and then get around 10 snaps as a Wildcat QB.

what cracks me up is the so-called “knowledgeable football people,” who says that Vick has a weak arm for a quarterback and he should be a WR.

he’s got a cannon of an arm and can stand flat-footed from his own 20-yd line and gun it effortlessly down the field to the far end zone.

i understand the off the field stuff.

and i understand his inconsistency when it comes to accuracy.

and i understand his being out for two football seasons.

but for those who question his arm strength…

you have no clue.

i know people that know Vick personally and arm strength is NOT a question.

but I think that Michael Vick’s play a quarterback has been blown out of proportion to the negative. Vick was an average passer, but the best runner the game has ever seen at the position. Roddy White, Michael Jenkins and Alge Crumpler dropped no less than 45 balls between them per year. Too bad they didn’t figure out how to catch a ball that hit them in the numbers until Vick was gone.

And for some reason, everybody acts like Vick’s runs didn’t move the sticks as well. Vick was a throwback. He plays the position the way it was played in football’s infant stages. I don’t think people know how to evaluate his playing style.

and that was over 2 years ago, I expect he’ll be much worse after a 2 year layoff, if that’s even possible. His legs were the only reason he even played in the league, and if he lost some of that, no team will want him, he just won’t be worth the soap opera he’ll obviously bring to any team.

the two QB’s your referring too were surrounded by fundamentally sound defenses and both had solid offensive lines.

It takes more than a QB and a corp of wideouts to win football games.

Ask Peyton Manning, who would throw 3 tds but still lose because his defense couldn’t hold.

I’d love for you to say 10 QBS you’d pick over Palmer and Romo.

Palmer’s 2005 season (3800+ yards, 32 TD’s, 67.8%, 101.1 rating) was and is better than anything Vick could ever dream about. Vick never even cracked 57% completions in a season let alone Palmer’s outstanding 67%.

Palmer and Vick have both played virtually the same amount of games (65 Palmer / 67 Vick);

Palmer has more total yards (including both rushing and passing), more Touchdowns (including both rushing and passing), a higher per throw average, a much higher completion percentage and a much higher QB rating. Palmer has also never had media or off-field trouble. Vick is a better QB how?

As Airforce said, both McNabb and Brady had stellar Defenses and very good Olines for many years. They were very good QB’s on very good teams that had average WR’s.

Palmer has had a woeful Defense at a notoriously woeful Franchise. If you think Palmer’s bad take him out of that team and see how it goes without him (see 08). Romo also has had a very inconsistent team around him. And again like Palmer, take Romo out of the team and see what happens (see 08).

Take Vick out, replace him with a rookie and all of a sudden those very same WR’s who weren’t productive now suddenly are very productive and the team goes to the playoffs!! Coincidence? Only if your a one-eyed Mick Vick fan.

and anyone that knows football knows this to be true.

Vick in his prime was garbage as a qb, his only skill was the ability to run really fast and thats it.

Trollsbreath

Oh, wait. I almost forgot. Vick was the first guy to hand the Packers a playoff loss at Lambeau field. Although that’s not nearly as impressive as you might think when you consider an 8-8 Vikings team also took a crap on Lambeau field two years later.

I won’t speak for Romo but concerning Palmer the Bangles defense was horrible the year they went to the playoffs and they’ve only gotten worse since.

Vick’s won some playoff games but let’s not pretend he beat juggernauts or that he ran and passed for 300 yards in each of those games.

I can’t say I agree with the statement that neither Romo/Palmer aren’t top 10 QB’s, but there are certain arguments to be placed for both. First about Vick. Vick was never meant to be a pure QB. But Vick was a threat every single time he had the ball in the open field. In terms of the QB/HB hybrid, Vick was the very best in the position, and if no one takes advantage of it, then it’s a shame in the league.

Anyway, for QBs

1. Peyton
2. Brady
3. Brees
4. Warner
5. McNabb(When healthy)
6. Rivers
7. Palmer
8. Romo
9. Roethilsberger
10. Cutler

But then again, I’m considered an pessimistic Cowboys fan

Eww that was bad.

Dallas needs to focus on football games and not melodrama. TO, Pacman, Tank = Melodrama
 Vick = melodrama

http://www.star-telegram.com/332/story/1387089.html

money quote

he is the Dallas Cowboys’ quarterback for 2009 and for the foreseeable future. The Cowboys are happily married to him.

“Tony Romo is pretty consistent. He is a lot like John Elway was, Jim Kelly — the great ones I have been around,” Phillips said. “They work hard in the off-season. They have a desire to keep going and keep getting better. He is the same kind of guy.”

And he’s not changing.

I still think that Romo will be a top 10 fantasy QB, maybe not top 5, but top 10.

….Than Kitna’s won with his arm. I’m fine with Kitna as the back-up as he doesn’t have a necrotized right arm which is more than I can say for Brad Johnson. However, let’s not pretend this guy’s ever been a top 10 QB just because he wears the star on his helmet now.

I’d guess Vick running the wildcat alongside the three-headed monster would have to be more effective than a rehash of Kitna-to-Roy Williams.

However, I agree with your basic point; Vick isn’t gonna end up in Big D. But saying he’s not in Kitna’s class; come on.

QB is one position that suffers greatly when a player is out of football. I think if anything he comes back as a hybrid backup qb/skill player on ST or the offense for some other team.

besides the team has already voiced their opinion months ago that the answer was: not interested. I think that if Vick is picked up it will be because of injury or some unforseen circumstance rather than a team that is willing to take the PR back-lash by having him on their roster.

I agree with you about Vick, but how the heck is Little still in the NFL.

Christian Peter – Sexual Assault
Lawrence Phillips- Felony Domestic Abuse
Leonard Little- Vehicular Manslaughter
Jamal Lewis- Drug Trafficking

Just off the top of my head.