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Cowboys' Moving of Ellis Would Complete the Cleansing

According to rumors that surfaced this week, the Cowboys may be trading or releasing veteran linebacker Greg Ellis in the near future. Ellis is an interesting character. While he is by all accounts a good teammate, he has in the past had a difficult time properly managing the relationship between he and the team. Greg Ellis is generally liked by teammates, but has repeatedly used the media to voice his frustrations pertaining to issues such as his role or his contract.

Jerry Jones and company have made a genuine effort to turn the Cowboys organization into more of a team. Player who have in the past refused to toe the line are no longer around. Pacman Jones' unreliability made his release a no-brainer, but outspoken players and excuse makers such as Terrell Owens and Roy Williams have been shown the door as well. Greg Ellis is not a cancer in the traditional sense. He is not a bad teammate, but is at times a bad example for a young (and getting younger) team. The Cowboys' recent efforts have been directed at making the Cowboys a closer knit group, much like a family. Families handle their beef in-house. The Cowboys cannot allow old uncle Greg to continue to put family business in the street.

Greg Ellis is still a valuable player to the team and would be sorely missed should he be moved. However, if the Cowboys are truly interested in cleansing the organization, keeping a problematic player around because of his on-field value would undermine the team's efforts. If you are going to clean up a locker room, clean it all the way up. If the Cowboys really want to change a culture that has been lackadaisical and un-phased by authority, then they have got to go through the roster and yank every nail that sticks out. It shouldn't matter if it is the starting quarterback or the third-string tight end. It shouldn't make any difference whether or not the team has a viable replacement on board. You worry about those things later, you just cut the cord and move on.

Keeping Greg Ellis around solely out of fear of losing his on-field production would destroy any credibility the Cowboys have built this off season. Greg Ellis is aging, paranoid, and has repeatedly proved his unwillingness to censor his comments about the organization. If the Cowboys can get as much as a 6th round pick in return for Ellis, they should make it happen. If not, then the Cowboys need to grant Ellis his outright release, therefore rubbing out the final stain in a once-messy Cowboy locker room.

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I'm not buying the arguement.

An Ellis move would be all about cap room and getting something this year instead of nothing next year. I think chances of moving him and his cap hit are slim to none. So, Jerry needs to figure out whether he needs the 4 mil more than he needs a veteran at that position.

by bad knees on May 23, 2009 3:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I never thought of his whining as polarizing the lockerroom.

I dont think its solely about money though we might need more to front load Wares contract this year. I cant help but think Spencer is ready. He will have trouble matching Ellis sack totals this year but he needs to play more if we wont him to finish maturing as a player.
Im not bother by him staying or leaving.

The Democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson

by squidlo97 on May 23, 2009 3:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No but in previous Lunch Break Eps with Darren Woodson he said that the fact that

Ellis would complain to the media about contract and playing time was the wrong way to go about addressing concerns. Woody said that is the wrong type of example to set in the lockerroom because it shows the younger players that it is okay.

Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!

by cowboy78 on May 23, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The cap hit? what 1.5 million? or would it be the full 5.5? I thought that since the last 4 million was in his signing bonus it was

already paid and off the books? I agree Carl if we are going to cut our most productive offensive player in the name of cleaning up the locker room, we need to do it all the way. i’d hate to lose Ellis productivity but we picked up quite a few talented youngsters andwe need to see what we have. Spencer needs to step up and be afforded the opportunity to.

Don't believe everything you think.

Your causes are cute!!!

by stoproyce on May 23, 2009 3:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I heard the cap was 1.5 for releasing him and 5 million for keeping him.

That extra 3.5 would be a nice boost to Wares signing bonus.

The Democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson

by squidlo97 on May 23, 2009 4:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

DallasCowboys.com Article

Said we would create $5 million in cap space if we trade him, and $4.15 million if we cut him.

by kindablue on May 23, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't feel his whining...

..is a disturbance in the locker room IMO. He’s a great guy – well rounded. Let him finish out his contract here in Dallas. He’s proved his worth. I know he hasn’t been GREAT the past few years, but w/e. One more year.

Hooah.

by .FRoST.USAF on May 23, 2009 4:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't really see Ellis in the same category as some other guys

yes he has whined about his contract/role, but I don’t know that it has been particularly disruptive to the locker room, and he has been considered a leader on the defense. And if character was really a factor with him, he would have been gone already like the rest. If they trade him, it will be about cap space, making room for Spencer and the draftees, and getting some value at another position or in next year’s draft.

by scottmaui on May 23, 2009 4:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree with Carl...

Ellis has been a productive player, but he’s at the end or near the end of his string. If we can get some value for him now, it’s worth it. Next year he will be a free agent and some knuckle head like Dan Snyder will pay him $200 Million and we get zip.

I don’t think his public whining necessarily has had a negative impact on team mates but they don’t pay his salary. I’ve seen many on here rip Ellis for his negativity.

Let’s trade him while we can. It’s just the way it’s done, it’s not personal, it’s business.

"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams

by Jim Vance on May 23, 2009 4:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That's a reasonable argument

But, his production this year will be worth more than the 5th-7th round pick we could get for him. Now that we’ve held him out of OTA’s, everybody knows we will cut him. They’ll just wait for him to hit the market. If we were going to trade him, it should have been last year – coming off a double-digit sack, probowl year.

by JimmyJohnson on May 23, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They took him out of OTAs last year. Show case him in Preseason

that he can still get sacks and he will have some value. Maybe someone gets a key injury and needs a pass rusher. If we dont need the money for Wares contract and we dont get a decent offer keep him..

The Democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson

by squidlo97 on May 23, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The way this got out to the public, teams can just wait for us to cut him,

unless someone out there feels they really have to have him, and want sto jump and grab him.

by Realist Larry on May 23, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doesn't this move show that the team is making tough choices about players who are close to the

end of their career and are trying to get value before they lose the player. Now this along with A. Henry shows that they are trying to stick to this plan if they have a player that they can turn to; in these cases it shows that Jenkins/Scandrick, Spencer/the two rookies are what they had in mind. Flozell and Hamlin are better examples that they were unable to address them before their contracts came up.

At the same time you have burnett, canty, davis who were players that had key roles in the team that the team made sure to find comperable replacements at a better value to keep from repeating past deals. So I am not saying that the managment has become the pats in regards to talent aquisition; but they are trying to get to that point. My overall point is that when they show consistency in making this tough choices and having a good return then we as fans will have a little more faith in their ability to trust decisions such as the one with Ellis.

Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!

by cowboy78 on May 23, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which really is a good thing.

I’ve argued before that the Eagles and Patriots both know when to let go of aging stars-they consistently release ‘names’ and plug in younger (cheaper) guys.

by Realist Larry on May 23, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You have strong opinions, Carl, but I think you take this one a little far.

Strong opinions are fine, I have them on rare occasion…….

But, I wouldn’t call Ellis ‘lackadaisical’, he plays all-out. And ‘paranoid?’ He had real concerns when Parcells switched to a 3-4. He didn’t know it would end up working out.
(And maybe playing OLB after years at DE stressed that achilles out….)

It’s extreme to say the team ‘will lose all credibility’ if they don’t cut Ellis. Can’t agree with that.
Finally, if his sin is going to the media, then maybe we’d better think about cutting Newman and others who have spoken out, too.

I’m OK w/letting Ellis go, and you raise the problems that would go with that very well. Spencer and rookies at OLB in a 3-4? He’d better be a big problem, or they’d better have good plans for the $ saved before they do that.

by Realist Larry on May 23, 2009 5:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Agree Realist

This article takes this issue of Ellis being a malcontent too far; I think Ellis will be traded because we will find a trade partner that will give up good value for Ellis by way of a draft pick in next year’s draft – which is an extraordinarily strong class. And, we will save money under the cap. And, we can let Spencer and the assortment of other OLB candidates mature. I would say lastly that Ellis is being phased out due to the make over of the team in terms of character.

by Iowacowboy on May 23, 2009 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My God...........

Larry, you hit the nail on the head my friend. While i respect Carl’s opinion i couldnt disagree more with it.

by TARHEEL PAUL on May 23, 2009 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Carl's point was

Ellis isn’t a polarizing figure or a bad teammate, but his production has dropped and he sets a negative example to the younger players with regards to his going to the media and whining to squeeze money and/or playing time from Jerry and Wade. We don’t want the young guys to think this negotiating tactic works.

Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.

by APerfectStar on May 23, 2009 5:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Point Taken But If Elli Goes

It will be because we snag value for him and we can make sure he goes to the AFC or somewhere he won’t hurt us twice a year; and we are managing the salary cap and we need room on the roster for our new dirty dozen. Ellis is not that bad a teammate – indeed, he has been a model citizen save the periodic contract squabbles which are meaningless in the larger scheme of things.

by Iowacowboy on May 25, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why Ellis can go...

Where are the Lombardi’s that say he’s an integral part of a championship winning team?

We as fans get caught up in keeping guys around who are good instead of looking for something younger and better a lot of the time.

Ellis is on the decline. That’s not a question it’s a fact. He had one big game towards the end of last season against the Giants where he had 6 tackles and 2.5 sacks. In the other games he was average at best. Why should we settle for average play from a 34 year (in August) with a big contract when there are kids on the roster who can hopfully devleop into good players for the future.

The NFL is a young man’s game.

He’s been a cry baby for years now and we can’t expect him to be all happy go lucky now that it’s been established that he will be a situational pass rusher.

And if Ellis was such a team leader why didn’t he go to Jerry and offer to restructure his contract so he could stay on with the team. He certainly isn’t getting that kind of money from any other team on the Free Agent market once he’s released.

Greg Ellis wants out. He wants to go see if another team will allow him to start, probably as a DE, and also what kind of money he can get from a team in need of a decent pass rusher with a year or two left.

I expect him to wind up with the Panthers. They could use some insurance at DE with the Peppers thing and that would bring Ellis back home to Carolina. Plus they are a playoff team from last year.

Go Cowboys!

by DCFanatic on May 23, 2009 5:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Does Cincy need a DE?

Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.

by APerfectStar on May 23, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't you think

that asking your boss for a pay cut or a restructure of your contract to prove you are a team leader is a little bit over the top? The Cowboys coaching staff made Ellis a situational pass rusher and then you argue that he is “average at best”. If the guy is on the field less than half the time due to a coaching decision, you can’t blame the player for being less productive. That makes no sense. As far as being “an integral part of a championship winning team”, if that is the criteria, you would have to cut everybody. Greg Ellis is not the reason the Cowboys went 9-7. He has always worked hard and been productive. If they want to cut him for cap reasons fine by me. Just say that. The rest of the excuses are just plain nonsense.

by jevans1729 on May 23, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ellis isn't asking them...

He’s offering to work with them to stay in Dallas.

His current salary is for a starter, not a situational 34 year old. He knows this because it’s common knowledge.

Cut everybody? No, start getting rid of overpriced aging veterans when there is a young cheaper player waiting to take their spot. Greg Ellis.

They are not excuses, they are facts. He isn’t getting better, he’s getting slower and less affective. Why is that hard to understand?

Amd you are talking about the coaching staff moving him to the situational role as if he was playing on Demarcus Ware’s level. That’s not the case. They felt Spencer would be better against the run on early downs, which he was, and in turn it would give Ellis more rest so he could be more affective in rushing the passer. The latter really didn’t materialize.

You are making my original point is saying you want to keep him because he’s always worked hard and been productive. That was then, this is now.

Nothing lasts forever.

Go Cowboys!

by DCFanatic on May 23, 2009 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree With Your Analysis

It is a young man’s game; the most positive component to today"s Cowboy team is the youth movement. We need Ellis’s roster spot for the young talant, Let’s hope several teams like the Panthers and the Jets get into a mini bidding war for Ellis; then we might get a four or a five pick in next year’s draft.

by Iowacowboy on May 25, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he drop a good bit of weight for playing outside LB.

I guess it doesnt matter if he is a pass rush specialist. Seems he would be a good fit in KC. They are switching to a 3-4. With a higher than expected Cap Kansas City is close to being too low and getting into trouble. Ellis could help teach the young guys over there. Get them some sacks and be more appreciated than he would be here

The Democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson

by squidlo97 on May 23, 2009 5:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That kind of just came to me but he really would be a great fit there.

He whines but he worked alot with Ware and Spencer. Has alot of rush moves to teach. He also fluffs up KCs low cap number. They are very young so if we could get a draft pick it and should be early in the round. Of course I said that about that pick from Cleveland and they went and make the playoffs.

The Democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson

by squidlo97 on May 23, 2009 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

$5,000,000

He aint worth it. He got to go!

by cowboy1966 on May 23, 2009 6:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

financial management

It is not good financial managment to pay him $5,000,000. His annual bitch session makes it easier to cut him loose. If he was still in his prime then he would be able to keep his job.

by cowboy1966 on May 23, 2009 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cincinatti?

The Bengals have to be interested in getting another Cowboys D castoff.
They had 17 sacks last year and would be stupid not to offer a 5th or 6th.

So pardon my disposition; why should I listen to a system that never listened to me?

by NICK L on May 23, 2009 6:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow

DeMarcus Ware had twice as many sacks as the Chiefs last season!

So pardon my disposition; why should I listen to a system that never listened to me?

by NICK L on May 23, 2009 6:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The Patriot Way

I know, I know, I’m not supposed to like anything about them. The only think I like is the way they conduct business. No one, repeat, no one is above the best interest of the team. I think it was Troy Brown that got released and then resigned for less by them. Say what you want, but they’ve won a hell of a lot more than we have lately.

This move is all about business. What Ellis brings is no longer considered worth the price, both monetarily or otherwise. Management has decided to cut ties. Everyone, including Ellis, Spencer, the rookies, and us just has to live with it.

by steelyeyedmissle on May 23, 2009 6:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Greg Ellis

I am very surprised the Boys want to get rid of Ellis. He provides nice depth and Spencer has not proven anything yet. Greg was a Pro Bowl in 2007 and has been very consistent. I’m alittle worried about this move!

Juan Ramirez

by jrmz1980 on May 23, 2009 6:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

What about Crayton and Newman?

The article label’s Ellis the final stain in a once messy lockerroom. What about Crayton and Newman?

Crayton has a big mouth and doesn’t back it up with talent.

Newman has called out teammates in the press on several occasions – including labeling the person who told the press about TO’s delisional behavior a “coward”.

Like Ellis, both are in their 30’s. We have young guys waiting to take both of their places. Should we cut them too?

Purely rhetorical question. I think both are very valuable to the team. But I think both have done more damage with their mouths than Ellis. We could justify cutting both Newman and Crayton by the same criteria we would use to cut Ellis.

by JimmyJohnson on May 23, 2009 8:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This is Craytons last year I believe and his salary is cheap....

I was against resigning Newman so quickly, but that’s another story.

Ellis’s production and salary just don’t make sense anymore the reason for the trade talk. I also think they want to get other players involved without the distractions of Ellis in the mix..

by Boyzfan94 on May 24, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If the Eagles really do want him

If they let him go I worry about our depth and where he might end up. We need to do something to ensure he does not end up at a division rival. No reason to make yourself worse while making an opponent you see twice a year better. As far as following the Patriot way they are one of the teams looking to sign him if we let him go… not sure what that means but pretty sure its not doing what they would do in our situation.

by Tenaciousc924 on May 23, 2009 8:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i doubt they would trade him to the eagles

but if no one wants his contract and they end up just cutting him, which is possible, then it’s out of their control where he ends up….

by scottmaui on May 24, 2009 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We need to keep him.. makes me mad JJ waited until now

WTF? This pisses me off. Put him up for trade now, when teams can now wait for his release? We get nothing in return for his release. We don’t have enough 3/4 LB’s to let him go. Yeah, he has a drama mouth. Tell him to shut it or he’ll be released mid season.

by torchindefenses on May 23, 2009 9:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Cap money and age, not his mouth, would be the reasons to cut him

I have been of the opinion that Ellis is paid for this coming year and that we don’t need his cap money. But if you take $4 million off the cap, that money could go to D Ware on a new contract. That’s potentially one reason to move him.

The other reason would be declining skills. He dropped from 12.5 to 8 sacks last year. Now, if he can repeat 8 sacks, the Cowboys would be CRAZY to cut him. But if you assume he’s dropping off in production, and might only swing 3-4 sacks next year, then those snaps might be better given to Williams or Butler. Ellis is much more savvy than those guys, but his legs may not let him make the plays he once did.

On this last point, it would certainly be up to what the coaches are seeing. From where I stand, who knows if he’s dropping off that much, or has another good year in him?

But I can’t imagine the Cowboys are thinking about cutting him because he complains. That just seems ridiculous to me.

by VAfan on May 23, 2009 9:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Keep Ellis

If for no other reason than he was the pick over Randy Moss. Yeah, Moss turned out to be a great receiver and not the liability as initially perceived but Ellis was chosen for his character and he has produced every year, every game when healthy. Yes, he is now prone to whining but he can still put opposing QBs on their backsides. Trade maybe, cut, no way.

by Keys80 on May 23, 2009 11:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Moss Not A Liability?

Wrong; early in his career, Moss was a deadly cancer combined with the AIDS virus. Ask the Vikings. As bad as TO undermined team chemistry at his three stops, Moss simply disrepected the game on par with steroid baby Manny Rameriz did in baseball.

by Iowacowboy on May 25, 2009 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why create a depth problem in an important position?

I’m all about getting the rookies some snaps. But, Ellis is too good to get rid of this year. OLB is very important to the Phillips 3-4. Cutting him would be a disadvantage to us.

The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.
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by HudBaby on May 24, 2009 12:10 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Two other possibilities...

The main one being Jerry’s wallet… I’ve been saying all spring that you can see a different Jerry this off-season with his reluctance to break out the wallet. I wouldn’t dismiss this as a possible motive. Like the TO move, this one makes financial sense more than football sense.

Ellis can still contribute, that’s the bottom line in terms of this year’s team.

The other possibility is that Jerry held him out of practice as a negotiating ploy – to try and create an atmosphere of urgency to any teams with serious interest. If he’s on the public market, perhaps Jerry thinks he’ll get offers easier than working the phones?

As soon as you pick up the phone and try to shop someone, I would assume the GM on the other line can interpret that in about the same way as this public display of holding him out… this isn’t rocket science.

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by DalaiLuke on May 24, 2009 12:33 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't really see the disadvantage to him not being here

I still think Ellis is an extremely classy player, despite his whining to the media of all people, but we just drafted two guys who at the very least can contribute as pass rush specialists this year. If Spencer can perform well enough, and we can occasionally bring in one of the rookies on passing downs, Ellis is no longer worth the hassle and/or cap hit.

It would be a lot easier to let him go if Ware actually means it when he says he wants to help bring along the younger guys so they can contribute sooner.

Epic Fail since 1985

by the red scare on May 24, 2009 2:01 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If this is nothing

more than a serious STFU command to Ellis, it has probably worked.

Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.

by OskieOskie on May 24, 2009 1:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

For all of our shade tree psycology that could very well be all it is.

The Democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson

by squidlo97 on May 24, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope you're right... I can't help thinking Ellis' absence would hurt Ware's production

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by DalaiLuke on May 24, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont think he draws any attention away from Ware. If a back is chipping or a TE doubling its gonna be Ware.

Nobody else on this team rates more attention than him. In fact you will see a climb in the production of the guy opposite of Ware once he(ware) figured things out.

Spencer had 4.5 sacks as a rookie splitting reps and being targeted for running plays. He missed 3 games this year and came back a few and then missed 2 more. I wonder how many games he actually was football ready(because everyone is dinged up by midseason.) he had 1.5 sacks this year. His and Ellis’s totals were down from the year before but Brady was sent (and connected) on way more blitzes. Was it because he was successful or because Ellis/Spencer werent. I rewatch games but wasnt looking in to that.

I think Ellis still has a few sacks in the tank if you limit his plays a little more. He has more to teach the rookies than Ware does at this point and with 2 more OLBs drafted he could really show them some things. i like the idea alot of turning the reins over to Spencer but im not upset if they keep Ellis.

The Democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson

by squidlo97 on May 24, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If the Cowboys cut or trade Ellis

they surely have to bring in another veteran OLB for depth purposes.

No way they allow only Williams and Butler to serve as primary backups at that position.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on May 26, 2009 7:33 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I kind of thought the same thing, even though i’m for trading him.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by AirforceBat on May 26, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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