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Dallas's WR's and the case for Matt Jones.

Is Matt worth it? I don't know but he's certainly an intriguing option.

 

Since being Drafted in the First Round in 2005 expectations were high for Matt Jones'. His freakish athletic skills (Combine measured 6'6” 242 pounds, 4.37 Forty, 391/2” Vertical) and the potential they brought got him Drafted much higher than his play at Quarterback in college would have. Big things were expected and Jones', so far, has failed to deliver and subsequently he's often labeled a bust. But just how bad has Jones actually been when you look at his stats and consider that, regardless of his Draft position, this is a college QB transitioning to NFL WR.

Star-divide

Matt Stat!

While Matt has never been dominant he hasn't been nonexistent either.

In Four seasons he has; 166 catches, 2153 yards (13.0 avg) and 15 Td's.

In comparison, Patrick Crayton in Five seasons has; 159 catches, 2266 yards (14.3 avg) and 18 Td's.

Now who would argue that Patrick Crayton, at least in 06, 07, and 08, has had a better QB throwing him the ball and a much more pass happy offense than Jones had in Jacksonville.

In 2008 Jones had his best season and showed that, while he'll probably never live up to his first round billing, he's still capable of being a good #2. He had 65 catches and 761 yards and 2Td's in 12 games (10 starts) and was one of the few bright spots on his unit (passing offense) for a poor season for Jacksonville. That's a solid season and a better one than any of Dallas' current WR's, bar Roy Williams, has ever had.

Matt Jones Playoff experience.

His rookie year Wildcard Playoff performance against New England, in a game in which NE dominated, was good; 6 catches 94 yards 15.7 avg, longest 41 yards. He also had 3 catches for 48 yards and 1 Td, 16.0 avg, longest 29 yards, two years later in a Divisional Playoff game (another loss to NE).

While Jones' 9 catches for 142 yards and 1Td might hardly seem like much Playoff experience consider this; Roy Williams has never been to the playoffs, Patrick Crayton has 6 catches for 69 yards and 1 Td (plus a few crucial drops and an unforgettable failure to complete game winning route) in two games, Miles Austin has 0 catches in two appearances, Sam Hurd has 0 catches in two appearances, and Isiah Stanback was of course injured and missed his chance in 07. Jones' has more Playoff receptions and yards than all the Dallas Cowboy WR's combined.

Off-field Trouble.

With his play on the field seemingly on the up-swing why has the still young (26 years old) WR found himself on the free Agent market? Answer; Drug suspension then broken probation.

Matt Trouble Summary; Matt did crack, Matt got caught, Matt got convicted and Matt got suspended by the NFL. While on probation Matt drunk some beers and failed an alcohol test and that was against the rules. Matt went to jail for 5 days, Jaguars say bye-bye Matt and the NFL fined Matt 50,000. Matt stupid, Matt now Free Agent.

While Matt Jones' has made mistakes I don't know if they're bad enough to cross him off the list of consideration. Gerald Sensabaugh, another player Jacksonville let go for off-field reasons, has had a similar experience and has already been picked up by the Cowboys. Sensabaugh career has taken a similar path to Jones' as well (minus the high draft pick). Like Matt, Gerald had an up and down first three years but put together a good fourth year in 2008. Like Matt, even though his unit (pass defence) was poor, he was considered one of the few bright spots. Like Matt though, he also found trouble.

Gerald Trouble Summary; Gerald speeds a lot, Gerald got caught a lot, Gerald had unlicensed gun, Gerald lost license, then Gerald got caught driving without license but Gerald had learned something, this time the guns found in his car were legal! Well done Gerald :) Gerald stupid but learning, Gerald not resigned by Jacksonville, Gerald now Dallas Cowboy.

Now everyone has their own opinions when it comes to off-field discretions about what is acceptable and what isn't. Personally I'm not overly bothered by either Matt's or Gerald's offenses. Matt dabbled in drugs, big deal. Most people have. He never hurt anybody or (as far as I know of the circumstances) didn't behave in a dangerous or aggressive, threatening way. His probation violation of having a few beers while dumb on his part, because whether he likes it or not that's what Big Brother demanded and Big Brother will not allow itself to be ignored, is hardly a big deal. Gerald frequently sped, big deal. Most people have. He never hurt anybody or (as far as I know of the circumstances) behaved in a aggressive, threatening way. His driving without a license while dumb on his part, because whether he likes it or not that's what Big Brother demanded and Big Brother will not allow itself to be ignored, is hardly a big deal. Gerald, hopefully in a sign that he's learning from his earlier mistake with firearms, now seems to have the correct permits for his guns.

While I can plainly see that these guys are both risky signings, because both have shown a tendency to repeat behavior that their current employer (the NFL) has clearly stated is unacceptable, I don't think there's nearly enough evidence to label these guys as bad or crazy. Perhaps just a little stupid. And we all know if we took all the stupid players out of football that'd only leave us with Peyton Manning, Larry Fitzgerald, Jason Witten and Felix Jones, a great offense for sure, but who would they play against?

Why Jones and Sensabaugh concern me much less than the like of TO and Pacman is that neither seem to have anywhere near the raging egos or big mouths that those guys had. I've never heard either off them causing locker-room friction (though I'm open to correction hear).

Sensabaugh also signed a relatively cheap one-year deal and can be easily cut if any more discretions arise and the team wishes to part ways. In the meantime though he's an improving young player with some experience at a position of dire need for Dallas.

I see Matt Jones' the same way. He could be signed to a relatively cheap one-year deal so he can be easily dismissed if he messes up again. In the meantime though he would be a young improving player with some experience at a position of need for Dallas.

Some Jacksonville fans were disappointed with the release of Jones (and with Sensabaugh too). It seems that while many were calling for Jones' head after the 2007 season he became the teams most dependable WR in 2008 and changed some people's minds. After years of watching his inconsistency and apparent lackadaisical approach some claimed they saw a new Jones in 2008, one who was becoming a solid player and just as that began to happen and the future just maybe looked brighter for the Jags 1st Rounder, the team gave up on him.

Will Matt Jones be a Cowboy?

As a First Round Pick was Jones' a good investment, no way. He'd never even played the position that he was Drafted for. He was all potential and no proof (I suppose all Rookies are but Jones' much more so than the average draftee).

As a cheap Free Agent, however, he can and does offer some interesting skills. Is Matt Jones a dominant player, will he become one, would he solve all our WR problems? I'd say it's very safe to assume the answer to these questions are No, No and No.

But let's ask some relevant questions; is Dallas' WR depth questionable, is injury history a concern for Dallas' WR's, has Matt Jones become a solid WR, could a solid and experienced WR help this team? I'd say the answers here are Yes, Yes, Yes and Yes.

Personally, I'm still on the fence on this one a bit. I'm certainly interested but there is a character risk here. Without actually knowing the guy personally it's difficult to know how big that risk is. Dallas seems to be pretty serious about gathering hard working, trouble free players but has also shown their still open to the idea of a more risky signing of a low-key young player. This is one of those situations were I'll be happy whatever the team decides because they'll be able to get way more personal information and game footage of Matt than I could ever get.

So, will Matt Jones be a Dallas Cowboy?

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absolutely not

Jerry has made a commitment to get rid of all the garbage on the team (Tank, Pacrat and T.O.) so he’s certainly not going to bring in another problem player like Jones, that simply makes no sense whatsoever.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on May 28, 2009 8:05 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

God, I'd like to see them sign Matt Jones...

…just to watch Terry do a complete 180 on this.

by Bye, Dawk :( on May 28, 2009 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

will never happen

I was against the Cowboys signing Pacrat and was always on record I didn’t like it even after he was signed.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on May 28, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1!

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on May 28, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

wrong again

T.O. was Romo’s go to guy and I never did a 180 on him.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on May 29, 2009 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

despite any talent the guy might have, signing him would be counterproductive to the cuts and draft picks made this offseason- which all have one issue in common: character.

jerry and the coaches can’t afford to lose anymore respect than they have. i get the sense that there are several cowboys players who feel that TO was let go unfairly, but have accepted it and are ready to move on. but bringing in matt “nose candy” jones would be seen as hypocritical, regardless if he’s a thug or not. and you know that ESPN will highlight that point for at least a month.

by Barbie Carpenter on May 29, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes!

matt jones is nothing like Tank, pac or TO… hes never spoken out, and hes not a thug… like i said before, jerry should bring him in, see if hes stayed in shape, make him pee in a cup… and sign him… because even if he just ran back up behind roy, he’d be worth a low money contract… because if roy gets injured (like he has the last how many seasons?) then we have a backup and our offense doesn’t take a hit

by CowboysFan4Life on May 28, 2009 9:26 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

plus

like someone else pointed out… imagine roy, jones on the outside and witten, bennett on the inside with barber in the backfield… are you kiddin me, auto red zone td’s

by CowboysFan4Life on May 28, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

whooo-hooo!

that was my comment! My comments are being heard!!!! lol

Booyah!

by what_the_crap on May 28, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, if they improve in the red zone the offense won't be so dependent on big plays.

Every yard must count this year. Can’t just make it up right before the half.

Is it too early to ask what round I should aim for Felix in my fantasy football league?

by Aaron Novinger on May 28, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, he's just a coke head

thats really so much better…give me a freakin break.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on May 28, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Michael Irvin?

Chris Carter? Lawrence Taylor? Not that they are comparable on the field, but they would all party together!

Also look at the dude for the Denver Nuggets. The “Birdman”. He was out of basketball for two years, turned his life around, and is now a great player.

by DoomsdayD75 on May 28, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Irvin and Taylor didn't have Goodell as commish

That in and of itself is a huge difference, not to mention the fact Irvin and Taylor are HOF players and Jones is an average WR at best.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on May 29, 2009 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So he snorts powder and gets arrested for DUI but...

he’s better than Pac.

It never ceases to amaze me how fans just love someone’s triangle numbers and block out EVERYTHING else about a player in order to justify a reflex free agent signing.

No thanks, Dan Snyder can have him.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on May 28, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on May 28, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+2

Matt Jones has never produced and has a drug problem. I don’t get the love affair..

"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z

by Wmillion on May 28, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tall with good straight line speed...

It’s really more about the idea that the long bomb is still on of the most exciting plays in football and Dallas may not have very many of them with this offense’s personnel.

I say so what?

As long as we move the chains and run well, I am happy.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on May 28, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

not true

Austin and Williams are both capable of getting deep.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on May 29, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not consistently

T.O. was always a hip fake away from going the distance.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on May 29, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

true, but Austin can get there

his potential is off the charts…

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on May 30, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Potential doesn't pay the bills!!!

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Jun 1, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

never produced...

his production in 10 games last year was rather impressive, considering that crap offense he was in… that crap team he played for…

and if austin gets hurt, we have no down field threat… aka 8 in the box, aka our running game has a hard time… doesn’t matter how many good backs we have, if we are playing against a run stopping defense, than they won’t live up to potential…

and im not saying pick him up just bc of injuries, but bc he is low cost solution to our depth problem… low cost, low risk, high reward(possibly)… i don’t know what more you can ask for…

by CowboysFan4Life on May 28, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Solves depth problem but also

…re-creates character problem.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on May 29, 2009 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am 50-50 on signing Matt but...

Jones’ stats should not be compared to Austin, Hurd, or Stanbreak, even if we are just talking about the playoffs. He saw a bunch more playing time than these guys so you cannot really compare. I am not rejecting the idea that he may be a good pick up and could work out but Jones does the same things that Crayton does.

I would rather the Boys take a flier on someone who could be shifty in the slot or 4th WR position who could stretch the field and take some safety pressure with him. Someone like a poor mans W. Welker, T.Glenn, E. Royal, or D. Jackson. Unfortunately, there is no one avalable in FA with this skills set that i can recall.

by TEXMSMRFC on May 28, 2009 10:08 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

agree

Jones doesn’t offer anything more than Hurd or Crayton.

by CowboysFanatic on May 29, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jones is a LOT faster than Crayton and Hurd

He wasnt used in a roll where he was asked to run deep routes in Jacksonville, but he has the speed.

by TCBinNYC on Jun 1, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't want him but if he does become a Cowbou

I’ll root for him to change his life and be productive

"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards

by nicholas.rodriguez on May 28, 2009 10:34 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Heck yes!

Matt Jones WILL be a Cowboy.

He’s young, talented, and can be had for little less than the vet minimum. He’ll also be highly motivated and (hopefully) has learned his lesson.

It would close the only (perceived) hole left. A great signing.

Res firma mitescere nescit

by Fighter15 on May 28, 2009 10:51 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Less than the vet minimum?

How can you get less than the minimum? :-)

by John Boy on May 28, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The movie is escaping me

I can hear the line, but can’t place it. Help a brother out.

by TCBinNYC on May 28, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Michael Keaton

And it was 220…221…whatever it takes

by doomsdayreturns on May 29, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What was the other one?? When he was dreaming and his wife shot him??

What did you use?? A .38??

38, 39…..Whatever it takes…

You can do a lot of things in life. You can't stab a teammate with a pair of scissors. - Kevin Smith

by kameleon_o on Jun 2, 2009 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hopefully?

we said that with Pacman…hopefully he has learned…yet he hadn’t. we said that about TO, that hopefully he has learned, and yet he hadn’t. we hope that matt jones had learned, but after getting caught, convicted, suspended, he went and got drunk and got caught against the terms of his probation….yeah…he has learned.

plus he is not talented. I don’t get the point about him being talented. why? because he is 66" and ruan a 4.4 40 dash. he is an average football player in this league full of average football players. he is not a difference maker and based on his off field issues he will never be dedicated enough to be a difference maker.

by CowboysFanatic on May 29, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Matt dabbled in drugs"?

Can a person dabble with coke? I never tried it so I do not know.

Is that like opening a bag of Lays potato chips and eating just 1 or 2 and then closing the bag? He dabbled with potato chips.

I dabble with speeding. I just go 56 or 57 in a 55 mph zone. Except for the time a got caught speeding in the Nevada desert between Salt Lake City and Reno.

I guess if he just dabbled with coke we should give him a second chance, but if he is a massive coke head maybe we should pass.

On second thought maybe just wish him the best somewhere else.

by christmasisdraftday on May 28, 2009 10:54 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

lol

It’s nice to think that Matt Jones can resurrect his career and be a consummate professional, but the Cowboys ‘dabbled’ with these types of players in the recent past and no long-term talent has been able to help the overall team.

Is it too early to ask what round I should aim for Felix in my fantasy football league?

by Aaron Novinger on May 28, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dabbled?

As in won 3 Super Bowls with these kinds of players?

by DoomsdayD75 on May 28, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Different.

If you are referring to Irvin & the Gang, or Hollywood, they drafted those guys. I’m talking about castoffs from other pro teams brought in, guys like Alonzo Spellman, Demetrius Underwood, PacMan, Tank, that 400 lb. tackle dude.

Call me conservative, but I think investing a draft pick in a guy you know has talent but self-control issues trumps paying a 1-3 year conditional-laden contract for some dude that flunked his first few years of playing in the pros. Those are the, for lack of a better term, “free agent guys” that I would refer to as “dabbling”.

Is it too early to ask what round I should aim for Felix in my fantasy football league?

by Aaron Novinger on May 28, 2009 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I think Stephen Jones’ influence is showing here.

He is steering Jerry down a better path.

DON’T TARNISH THE STAR!!!

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on May 29, 2009 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What scrap heap coke heads did Dallas sign to win 3 Super bowls?

We drafted a few, but who all did we sign?

Haley? No
Deion? No
Novacek? No

Who did I miss?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on May 29, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm....

The case of Matt Jones…yet again. As someone with experience in the field of illicit party favors, this is always going to be a crap shoot. Jones does seem to be declining in substance used (alcohol vs. Coke is a whole different crap shoot) from a legality stand point. The question is behavior and value to the team.

Comparisons can be made to plenty of other individuals and all are equally valid/invalid. Just because Tank didn’t fit the scheme, Pacman was still Pacman, and TO a prima donna doesn’t make Matt Jones a good or bad idea.

I couldn’t tell you if signing him is a good idea, I don’t have enough information to make critical analysis neccesary. I young athelete with undiminshed skills and a immature outlook can be fixed, and we could use another quality WR.

He could earn a job at camp….

Deo Vindice Veritas,

by SmittyCityMo on May 28, 2009 12:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think he could definitely earn a job in camp if

a) he kept his nose clean
and
b) Patrick Crayton got hurt. Then, Dallas would need to bring in somebody who could contribute on a weekly basis.

Is it too early to ask what round I should aim for Felix in my fantasy football league?

by Aaron Novinger on May 28, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was just trying to replace Jimmy Smith.

Maybe he thought cocaine could take him to the next level like Smith. It worked for LT, didn’t it?

Given that 4 out of 5 Cowboys receivers are almost always hurt, we need to sign as many receivers as we can.

by Baked Potato Soup on May 28, 2009 12:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Regarding Matt Jones... with our depth @ WR -- and no need to rely on him -- why not?

Sign Jones on da cheap and provide clauses and incentives that make it easy to cut bait if he yields to temptation.

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YOU Decide...
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by silverblue5 on May 28, 2009 12:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

if there is no need to rely on him

then why even sign him?? Makes no sense to me, just like signing Pacrat made no sense to me last year.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on May 28, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because most of our receivers can't stay healthy.

Plus are either unproven or not that good. If he’s cheap and still has skills, sign him. If he wants a lot of money, don’t.

by Baked Potato Soup on May 28, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thats purely speculation on your part

Just because our receivers have a history of injuries doesn’t mean they will all get hurt this season.

Signing Jones should only done if or when these injuries you are predicting will happen, until then, no veteran FA WR signings.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on May 28, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stanback and Hurd are hurt already.

And they haven’t even put the pads on yet.

by Baked Potato Soup on May 28, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

but it's only May

If I’m the Cowboys I don’t make any moves in this regard until I have to.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on May 28, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you mean...

wait until when some other team takes a chance on a low money free agent with breakout size and speed, who showed progress last year…

then we have no one to replace our injuries… i don’t see the problem with at least picking him up and having him run back up routes behind roy, just in case…

by CowboysFan4Life on May 28, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

nobody is going to touch Jones before camp

He’s too much of a risk

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on May 29, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Keep in mind that M. Jones is an ex-Razorback.

Aren’t there two other Cowboys with the last name Jones who played at Arkansas?

Just sayin’…

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YOU Decide...
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by silverblue5 on May 28, 2009 12:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

that made no sense at all

Jerry is a smart business man, and not a sentimental one. otherwise he would have kept TO around and wouldn’t be moving to a 1.4 billion dollar stadium. if your logic were correct, we would be picking a razor back every draft, every round.

by CowboysFanatic on May 29, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes it does make sense, because they are all ex-razorbacks, however...

all i said was keep in mind that their razorback affiliation is something to keep in mind.

DID I SAY THAT DA KING WOULD SIGN MATT JONES?

NO.

DID I SAY THAT DA KING IS MORE SENTIMENTAL THAN SMART?

NO.

THERE WAS NO IRONCLAD, LOGICAL PREDICTIONS MADE…

Just something to keep in mind.

Sheesh.

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YOU Decide...
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by silverblue5 on May 29, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Move would make no sense

Matt Jones is nothing more than a name. He’s decidedly mediocre as a player. And, as a hard drug user, who’s to say he’s going to stay clean? I certainly wouldn’t bet on it.

by VAfan on May 28, 2009 4:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

awsome

+10000000

he is an average player in a league full of average players.

by CowboysFanatic on May 29, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My take

First, take the football out of it. Can Matt become “clean?” Of course he can. It all depends on if he WANTS to. I am not the type who automatically thinks that he’ll be a cokehead for life. I think he can quit. If he never quits, or has no passion to quit, then of course the Boys need to stay away from him.

If he chooses to quit, I think the Boys should bring him in, if it’s a cheap contract. He’s a 6’6", 218 pound guy who can run a 4.37 40. Plus, let’s not forget, dude’s only 26 years old! Crayton is 30 now.

I’m on the bring-him-in bandwagon. As a fan, I don’t like that the Boys have to rely on Crayton and Austin. Austin is still unproven, although he has shown flashes of being good. Crayton, to me, is not a #2 receiver. For the people who say Jones hasn’t done anything while in the NFL …. compare these stats.

Player A = 166 receptions, 2,153 yards, 15 TDs
Player B = 159 receptions, 2,266 yards, 18 TDs.

Player A is Jones. Player B is Crayton. So if people wanna argue that Jones "hasn’t done anything, " what does that say about Crayton? Mind you, Jones was drafted in 2005, Crayton in 2004 (and to be fair, Crayton was injured most of 2005 cause of a broken ankle.)

I think the Cowboys should be OK if they pass on Jones, and I think they will. If they do sign him, and he’s clean, I think he could be a huge steal, and a nice addition to the WR core. and like I’ve posted on here before …. put RW (6’3") on one side, put Jones (6’6") on the other, Bennett (6’6") and Witten (6’5") in a 2 TE set, and Barber in the backfield …. that’s a nice red zone package right there.

But I’m sure my energy drink filled post is moot, cause he probably won’t even sign. Time to clean my house!!

Booyah!

by what_the_crap on May 28, 2009 5:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

well, lets look at this way

based on the stats you put up, which I have done the same, crayton and jones are similar players, then why bring another similar player to the fold, since Hurd is also the same type player.

the fact is after 4 years, there is no upside to matt ones. he is what he is. a possession type WR with average hands. he reached his peak. the 4.36 speed is meaningless unless you plan to run him fly routes only. he is not very quick, mostly symptom of really tall WRs that don’t have feet quickness and are long striders, which also tends to make them round their routes and are not quick in an out of their cuts so they can’t get separation.

all of which fits matt jones stats so far. he is also not very good in the red zone given that as a full time starter he has only managed 15 TDs in his career. that’s less than 4 a year. and in his best statistical year, he had 2 TD receptions in 12 games, slated to3 over a 16 game season. that’s awful.

by CowboysFanatic on May 29, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

probably

cause deep down, I’m not a Crayton fan at all, and i think he’s overrated! Plus, I like Jones’ height and speed combo. But like I said, if they don’t sign Jones, and they won’t …. I don’t care. I think the WRs will be OK, nothing great, but OK.

Booyah!

by what_the_crap on May 29, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the dude smoked crack

crack is one of the heavy drugs that pull on you for a long time after using.

Do we really want to be one bad night away from losing a player a la pacrat?

Pass

The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.
-Winston Churchill

by HudBaby on May 28, 2009 7:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think he just snorted coke in the back seat of a car...cracks me up thinking about it--pun kind of intended.

Still, I’m with you. Pass.

Is it too early to ask what round I should aim for Felix in my fantasy football league?

by Aaron Novinger on May 28, 2009 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

as in "puff-puff, pass?" -- LMAO!!!

Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/

by silverblue5 on May 29, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

first off

I don’t believe Jones’ mistakes are as serious as those of pacman and tank. Jones, like Plaxico Burress, is just an idiot who hurt himself with his decisions. That being said, I don’t want to have to depend on another idiot player to stay out of trouble, I don’t see how hes worth it. Like Pacman, you get the feeling Jones WILL have more problems with the law.

by foyesboys on May 28, 2009 9:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Matt Jones would be the next in line of storied Cowboy wide receivers

Like Billy Howton, Lance Rentzel, Dennis Homan, Mike Sellers, Golden Richards, Doug Donley, Mike Renfro and Patrick Jeffers.

by DavidH22 on May 28, 2009 9:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Rentzel was the best of all "those people"

Richards was so overrated. But Renfro was solid! His 1985 season and his 1987 Thanksgiving Day game were things of beauty.

by DavidH22 on May 29, 2009 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chemistry

is the reason TO had to go. TO destroyed the chemistry in the locker room. Jones just made a stupid decision but he is not a locker room cancer like TO. It really is a tough call but IMO they should give him a call. Speed, talent, he can play now….they can always cut him if he goes off the reservation. How he interacts in the locker room would be a huge factor. No doubt he can play and maybe step in at #2 receiver. JJ should have a lot of info on Jones with the Arkansas background.

I really like the changes Jones is making in the off season. They are about chemistry. Who will play for the coach. I would give Matt Jones a call.

by cowboy1966 on May 28, 2009 10:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well said

T.O., Pacman, Tank, etc. were distractions for one reason or another. Tank bitched about his role, Pacman couldn’t stay out of trouble, and T.O. was a destructive force in and of itself throughout the later part of the season. We’re not going for “character” with our FA signings…Sensabaugh proves that. Not saying that he’s a bad person, but can be seen in the same light as a guy like Tank Johnson. Perceived as a character risk, but generally a good guy who happens to like guns. The point stands, though. We were creating a cohesive team through free agency and the draft.

Matt Jones is a freak of nature. Sign him to a minimal contract loaded with incentives, let him compete for a job, and bolster our WR depth. This is of course making a huge assumption that he’s still in football shape…Maybe he’s getting fat and turning into a couch potato(long time since I’ve seen that term used…Hello 1994!), who knows. If he’s still the physical specimen that had Jacksonville drafting him in the first round to play a position he had extremely limited experience playing, he could be a huge addition to the team to be had on the cheap.

Epic Fail since 1985

by the red scare on May 28, 2009 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Red,

from what I’ve read it’s claimed that Matt has been working out several hours a day and very much wants to keep playing. However, his agent was the one who said that so take it with a grain of salt.

by Luke. on May 28, 2009 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+10 or 12...

good stuff Red….

Deo Vindice Veritas,

by SmittyCityMo on May 29, 2009 1:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

co-sign

Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/

by silverblue5 on May 29, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the reason Jones would be a distraction

he would be a distraction because he would bring attention back from the media, since we worked so hard to clean up our image and get rid of distraction, now signing a player with a past and convicted one at that, would bring same attention back to the team.

plus he is not a freak of nature. he can run straight ahead pretty fast. but he is not very quick, doesn’t have quick feet, takes a little while to get to top speed and has average hands. 40 yard dash is meaninless if he is not a very good WR. Alexander Wright was 6’3, 200 lbs and ran a 4.25. he then should be considered a freak of nature as well

by CowboysFanatic on May 29, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree

TO is a distraction because he runs his mouth. No one in the NFL runs their mouth more than TO. If Jones does not make controversial statements the media will chase another story. They can always find a way to criticize Jerry Jones if they don’t have another story.

by cowboy1966 on May 29, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great post

The only thing that I disagree with is your assertion that Jones wont become a #1 WR. I think his progress last year showed that his transition from qb is well on the way, and I wouldnt be surprised if he was the #1 WR for somebody next year.

by aussie_cowboy on May 29, 2009 1:41 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Jerrah

Isn’t going to take a chance on Mat. He seems to be trying to change things in regard to team chemistry.

BTW I don’t consider Sensei’s past issues to be…umm issues… His problems with the law were paperwork screw-ups not drugs. (I even remember Jerry talking about not drafting people with drug problems.)

McGruber!

by Mojoness on May 29, 2009 10:29 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

one flaw with the original post

Matt Jones is the #1 reciever (TEs and WRs) on his team. he has been the primary WR on most pass plays. he gets more chances. Crayton is the #3 recieving option on the team, so he gets less plays, less being a primary WR. true that Jones ends up playing against better CBs but he also gets ton more chances. in comparison to other #1 recievers on other teams he is barely average at best. Matt jones is over rated, a name that cirulates because of draft status and buzz a few years back. it has been proven that he is nothing but a possession WR that can not change games. Plus recent history says he has a drug problem, which he can’t control since after getting caught he went off drkining again and got caught again.

why bring a headache in to the fold when we got rid of so many this off season.

by CowboysFanatic on May 29, 2009 10:32 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That may be true

but its also important to note that Jones didnt have a top notch QB throwing to him and had garbage across the field at the opposite WR. Jacksonville hasnt had too many weapons on offense lately, which puts a little more pressure on him.

The part of his game that bothers me the most is why he has been a possession receiver. I havent seen more than a few Jags games per season, so I dont know. With his speed, he should be getting deep every so often. Is it because they dont have another possession guy, so it was by default? Or is it that Garrard cant get the ball downfield?

by TCBinNYC on May 29, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

excuses

if he is really a difference maker like an Andre Johnson was when he went to Houston, then he would be able to put up stats regardless of who is throwing him the ball. he should be able to make his teammates better and his QB better. by the mere fact that he couldn’t lift his team, and wasn’t even a starter on the team, speaks volumes about his ability.

now, people have a misconception about 40 yard dash speed. most tall WRs like him, are long striders and don’t have the quickness of smaller WRs, they tend to round their routes, run lazier routes and have difficulty getting separation because they are not quick. so the deep speed is over rated often unless you plan to run them deep on fly routes every time. plus long striders like him take a little while to get to top speed. Smith in carolina gets to top speed very quickly and gets on top of the CB, jones doesn’t. so CBs cheat and may give him a cushion and thus only give him underneath routes. plus him not being very quick allows the CBs to react and get back on him on most plays. 40 yard dash for a WR is the most over rated metric.

by CowboysFanatic on May 29, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm getting the feeling you would be against a Matt Jones signing.

Maybe its because of the 12 identical posts you’ve made in this thread telling us how Jones is average and 40 yard times mean nothing. Actually, you are making some sense, though. Although I do think he has amazing tools (the height/weight, the speed, the leaping ability) I’m not claiming he is an elite WR in this league. And I certainly never compared him to Andre Johnson, who is easily the 2nd best receiver in the NFL behind Fitz. But I think where people get enamored is with the ceiling. He has more physical tools than maybe any receiver in the game, but that doesnt make him a great player. However, the allure is that some team (or coach) could teach this kid to be a better player and motivate him to succeed. If that happened, you would have a remarkable player at very little cost.

by TCBinNYC on Jun 1, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

kinda like

how we taught patrick crayton to succeed…

and miles austin is starting to succeed….

i think we could work on him, while hes still young, and eventually turn him into a 1/2 with roy like arizona has with fitz/boldin… (im not saying right now, im saying he could be, possibly, he has the potential and we have the right coaches and offense and qb)

by CowboysFan4Life on Jun 1, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So the guy likes a little nose candy; so what?

Something this team seriously lacks is proven commodities at wide receiver. And yes, in the context of this conversation, Jones’ couple of 600-yard seasons qualifies as proven when compared to Austin, Hurd and Stanback.

The guy might very well be a damn fool but as far as genuine moral objections go the guy didn’t punch any puppies or “allegedly” order his goons to gun down the patrons of a strip club.

I’m not fanatical either way and I understand the whole business about changing the culture of the lockerroom, but how many of us will be singing a different tune about having another reliable receiver on the roster if Austin goes down or the guys we already have don’t make that big breakthrough?

Personally, I’d rather draft a legit prospect in the 1st three rounds occasionally so this team can develop bonafide talent at the position, but I guess it’s so much more rewarding to rummage through other team’s trash and make them the reclamation project of the month.

by MadMick on May 29, 2009 10:33 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i would guess

that we are an injury to anyone but Roy Williams away from signing Jones.
His size, potential, arkansas alum (aka Jerry friendly), and now free agent cost (low), would lead me to think this.
I don’t think Jerry and Co. would go into a season after someone like Austin or Crayton getting hurt and HOPE inexperieced WRs could step in.

however, i think an injury to Roy Williams puts us in the Boldin running. assuming of course his situation is not worked out before this pretend injury to Williams.

by stephena on May 29, 2009 11:23 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Randy Moss

We passed on him because Irvin and the boys were getting wayyyy out of hand and we’ll pass on Jones because JJ is trying to clean things up.

I would love for the boys to take a look at him as I live in Jax and saw a huge jump in his game last year. I think he is hungry and is going to be a player but we’ll pass because timing is everything.

by Billito on May 29, 2009 5:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't rule it out

If there are injuries on ANY team out there in camp, someone will take a chance on him. You can count on it. Better to have a WR that has experience even if he has issues and has not performed well. That is just how the NFL is. I really don’t want him, BUT if we have injuries in camp at WR, what are some other alternatives? Not many.

by Boyz4Life on May 31, 2009 12:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Here's a simple way to look at it (that works for me)

Here’s how and why I think we should go for Matt Jones — if we can sign him for an unguaranteed contract.

Weigh Stanback vs. Jones. Assume its an either-or decision. Would you prefer to have Isiah Stanback or Matt Jones in training camp this offseason? (assuming you can sign a non-guaranteed contract with Matt).

In that case, we’d still be able to keep one of the rookies if they impress at camp as the 6th receiver. Or, if its the way to go, cut either Jones or Stanback and keep a rookie as the 5th receiver.

As a receiver, I think its an easy decision. I’d take Jones over Stanback. The only argument against that is if we’re worried that Jones would do something stupid during the season and get a suspension — in which case we really would need to keep 6 receivers on the 53 squad.

As a special teamer, I don’t rate Stanback as much. He’s too often hurt and while he looks fast and powerful, I don’t think his production hasn’t been special nor has it been near Felix’s at the KO return. And he doesn’t return punts. Other ST roles for Stanback? Doesn’t much matter this year since every other 2nd teamer on the squad will be a special team contributor. I assume Jones doesn’t contribute on special teams.

Wildcat? Get serious. No player on our squad has shown anything suggesting they deserve to be on our squad in order to run a wildcat formation once or twice per game. And if we really want to go to wildcat, we have other options — Crayton or Felix Jones.

So, for me, I’d be happy to cut cords with perpetual-injury Stanback if we can get Matt Jones for an unguaranteed contract.

by Eagles suck on May 31, 2009 4:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Jones is the better player, but ...

that’s not the only consideration. To me there is some value in “cleaning up the locker room.” I would probably take a chance on a player that could put you over the top, eventhough he had some problems. But I dont think Matt Jones is that.

Sidenote: Why wouldnt they consider Jones as the Wildcat? He was a scrambling QB in college anyway. Seems like a pretty obvious conclusion to me.

by TCBinNYC on Jun 1, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The arguments against this guy have been well-stated and are right on....

and I’ll add one more:

Get rid of the mentality that you are going to BUY an NFL championship!
Many of you sound like Dan Snide or the “old” (I hope) JJones…..

If it’s not Matt Jones it’ll be the next loser out there who’s available, who’s ‘talent’ will overrule your common sense.

Let Washington and Cincinatti have these players, and how about if our team learns a lesson: You don’t BUY a winner, you BUILD a winner.

by Realist Larry on May 31, 2009 6:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You're right

The Patriots made a big mistake signing Randy Moss. Whether or not you like Randy, TO, Matt Jones, Pacman, Tank, even Columbo each case, each player and each team situation is different.

by Eagles suck on May 31, 2009 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amen

Epic Fail since 1985

by the red scare on May 31, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic ....

If so, forget the NE comparison.

First, they have Belichek. That equalizes a lot.
Second, they built a team the right way first, THEN added one questionable guy. The Cowboys and JJ seem to be making it a pattern lately, w/ too many fans here supporting this approach.

The Patriots have added Moss and a few other vets who were at the end of their careers and maybe came from some bad situations-but only after having the “Infrastructure” in place to deal with them—that’s organization-wide, along w/ Belichek.

The Boys do NOT have the type of organization nor personalities in coaching or players to deal with these kind of players.

You’re right, Moss has been an exception to the rule—But Here’s a Test For You: Do you think he would have worked out so well in Big D? I doubt it.

If you were agreeing w/ me and not being sarcastic, sorry. Based on your other post above I assume you want Jones, though, so were making an ‘argument’ (one player) in favor of him.

by Realist Larry on Jun 1, 2009 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Much more than one player

Cory Dillon, Randy Moss, Junior Seau, Ty Law, Joey Galloway, Leigh Bodden, Alex Smith (TE), Shawn Springs, Fred Taylor…

The list of malcontents, aged veterans, and problem children signed over the past decade is long and distinguished…but you give them a pass because of Belicheat?

You’re neither a realist nor objective.

Res firma mitescere nescit

by Fighter15 on Jun 1, 2009 7:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's not realistic

because they have Brady, Vrabel, Wilfork, Logan Mankins, Jarred Mayo, Ted Brushchi, Jr. Seau, A. Thomas, Matt Light, Nick Kaczur, and yes bilicheat and a strong cast of assistant coaches who are now head coaches in the NFL> they can absord some of these malcontents. and by the way galloway, seau, alex smith, fred taylor and shawn springs aren’t malcontents, but veterans. there is history, culture and strong leadership on teh team, that some of these malcontents don’t have a choice but fall in line. plus winning cures a lot, with the likes of Moss or Cory Dillon who came from losing organizations.

by CowboysFanatic on Jun 1, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here we go.....

As usual, I’ll actually respond to your emotional response w/logic, we’ll see if you have the guts to respond:
1) I clearly said,
 “and a few other vets who were at the end of their careers and maybe came from some bad situations”

But that would require you actually read my post instead of just seeing my avatar and ripping me.

2) By the way, as usual, you addressed nothing I raised—I clearly did not say it was all because of Belichek, I stated, again clearly,
“but only after having the "Infrastructure" in place to deal with them—that’s organization-wide, along w/ Belichek.

The Boys do NOT have the type of organization nor personalities in coaching or players to deal with these kind of players."

3) And as for anything else, “Cowboys fanatic” has basically explained it to you.

You are really embarrassing yourself with these lame posts you do attacking me. Entertaining, though.

4) I have to add, just because you copy everyone’s nickname “Belicheat” doesn’t take away from what the guy has done and accomplished , nor does it make any actual point.

5) You didn’t respond to my question: " But Here’s a Test For You: Do you think he would have worked out so well in Big D? I doubt it. "

6) Nor this point:
“Get rid of the mentality that you are going to BUY an NFL championship!
You don’t BUY a winner, you BUILD a winner. "

Embarrassing.

by Realist Larry on Jun 2, 2009 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where's the logic?

NE can have those type players but we can’t? Since it’s the organization, what about the 90’s “White House” team?

The fact that NE used quite a few malcontents and over-the-hill vets during their dynasty proves that getting a few FAs to plug remaining holes is quite feasible and reasonable. T.O. was a very productive player for us. Even Pacman (when not suspended) was decent. The team clearly can handle those types.

And yes, Moss would have worked out for the ’Boys.

What’s embarrassing is your stance that nothing the Cowboys do is right and whatever anyone else does is fantastic. Your only logical argument is that it can be done.

Res firma mitescere nescit

by Fighter15 on Jun 2, 2009 6:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"quite feasible and reasonable."

“quite feasible and reasonable”—and so are my arguments.

We disagree.

But I’m not way out in left field to have the opinion that the Patriots have a better organization the Cowboys-As a matter of fact, a hefty number of Cowboy fans/posters on this site would agree!

I could just as easily say “What’s embarrassing is your stance that nothing the Cowboys do is right and whatever anyone else does is fantastic. Your only logical argument is that it can be done.” but change it to “Everything” instead of “Nothing”
in your case. You find no wrong w/ your team.

You have no proof Moss would have worked w/ the Boys, I disagree.
It’s ALL opinions.

What I wouldn’t do is attack some guy I don’t know on the internet personally over and over because I disagree strongly w/ your views on a football team.

But if that gets you off, It’s fine.

by Realist Larry on Jun 2, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, we disagree

My central point that I will always disagree with you is that I am optimistic that the moves our team makes will be in the best interest of the team.

I also believe (with very good reasons, backed up by stats, mediot opinions, and the stated opinion of the coaching staff) that this team is better right now than they’ve been since ’96.

Fact is this team can compete, and win, a Super Bowl this year. I’ll debate you on every point you’ve made to date to discredit this opinion. That’s what gets me off. To date, you have made no serious argument…just regurgitated mediot kneejerk negativity.

I’m writing a fanpost that will, in detail, debunk most (if not all) of the common myths and ignorant opinions that you (and others) seem to cling to. As a teaser, I agree with the Romo’s not clutch (yet) argument.

But the bottom line is that I’m a fan. I’ve been a season ticket holder since ‘71 and a fan quite a bit longer. But I’ve also been a very big bettor and fantasy player that looks at much more than just the Cowboys…I don’t live in a vacuum.

The thing I ask most is that you look at the team from an objective perspective rather than immediately presuming that whatever has been done is the wrong move.

Res firma mitescere nescit

by Fighter15 on Jun 2, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

People disagree all the time, but not everyone makes it personal.

1) Negative (I’d say objective and realistic) vs. optimistic (your own words)—you’re just as biased as I am by always looking at the bright side of things.
  We’re two sides of the same coin.

2) You have no more insight than anyone else here, season ticket aside. That is not a credential. So your opinions are no better than mine (same credentials, except the ticket, seeing as I don’t live there.

3) You can be as optimistic as you want-I hope you’re right of course-but you can’t ignore the plateau set the last few years. Believe in all your heart they’re the best team in the league, but they have yet to prove it.
  And have a little sense of humor about yourself, and try to grasp that, unless your a member of the organization in disguise, you have no more knowledge than the rest of us.

Where we agree:
1) “Fact is this team can compete, and win, a Super Bowl this year.”

I’ve stated earlier our talent is not that different from any of the playoff teams.
I see something subjective, mental lacking, though. Maybe this year that changes, we’ll see.

2) “The thing I ask most is that you look at the team from an objective perspective” I agree-don’t be too overly optimistic, if you think I’m too overly negative.

by Realist Larry on Jun 2, 2009 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The kind of guy to take a chance on:

Columbo.

Not a ‘glamor’ position, had bad luck, not stupid choices.

Who not to take a chance on: Guys like
TO, PacMan, Tank J, Matt Jones

by Realist Larry on May 31, 2009 6:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jun 1, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed...

Except I would take Tank off the list. His legal issues weren’t that big a deal in my opinion. In fact they fell into the ‘Bad Luck’ catagory.

He got the boot because:
Lack of production
Maybe his mouth
To help make an example to the team.

McGruber!

by Mojoness on Jun 1, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd agree with all that.

If it were just Tank, maybe it’d be different.
It’s just become too much lately. I think JJ needs to step back from these signings for a few years.

by Realist Larry on Jun 2, 2009 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

- 1,000,000,000,000,000

just say no to low character players

by tb0n3 on Jun 2, 2009 3:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Definition of Insanity

Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

If Jerry Jones and fans that want to win at ANY COST keep bring in low character players and expects a TEAM to appear on Sunday…THINK AGAIN

by tb0n3 on Jun 2, 2009 3:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah, just like...

Michael Irvin, Tuinei, Haley, Deion Sanders, etc, etc.

Sure, Galloway, T-Glenn, & a few others didn’t keep us on top (though Aikman’s cuncussions, Irvin’s broken neck, and Erik Williams car crash had more to do with it than lack of production).

But you’re right that Tank, Pacman, Rivera were busts. Not off the field, save Pacman (and arguably t.o.) but performance-wise…and that’s why they were cut, not this “chemistry” b.s.

But to say it hasn’t and won’t ever work is crap.

Res firma mitescere nescit

by Fighter15 on Jun 2, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

huh?? Tuinei wasn't a bad character guy

The other guys are HOF or HOF caliber players, if Tank, Pacrat were that good, they’d still be on the team.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jun 2, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well after he retired

During his playing days he was clean

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jun 3, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he would have been one of the few on that team

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Jun 3, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No more knuckleheads!!!

Is it too early to ask what round I should aim for Felix in my fantasy football league?

by Aaron Novinger on Jun 3, 2009 11:38 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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