Cowboys Hybrid Rookies In Transition Phase
With veteran outside linebacker Greg Ellis now out of the picture, DeMarcus Ware and Anthony Spencer will bookend the Cowboy defense. Ellis' departure means that in 2009 the Cowboys will always be one injury away from having to throw a rookie into the fire. Making the switch from college defensive end to NFL linebacker, rookies Brandon Williams and Victor Butler have a difficult transition ahead. However, recent history shows us that amongst converted ends, there have been more hits than misses, and few have been able to contribute right away.
I took a look at the last 5 NFL drafts. I charted every college defensive end selected to play outside linebacker in a 3-4 system. While I found a few guys who have to this point made virtually zero impact, I found a comparable number of success stories as well. This list is not all-inclusive, but a collection of highlights and lowlights.
2008: Obviously the jury is still out on anyone drafted in 2008, but it is fair to say that none of the converted ends made an impact in their inaugural season. Most famously there was New York Jets 1st round pick Vernon Gholston, who struggled to get on the field and was at times a healthy scratch. The Steelers took UCLA’s Bruce Davis in the 3rd, and New England took Cincinnati’s Angelo Craig in the 7th. Neither player logged a stat in 2008. 2007: Cowboys’ 1st rounder Anthony Spencer fought nagging injuries, but had a decent rookie season. Spencer logged 36 total tackles and 3 sacks in limited action. Spencer probably could have been a full-time starter if needed, but filled in pretty well in a secondary role. Pittsburgh Steeler Lamarr Woodley had a similar rookie campaign. In a secondary role as a rookie, Woodley managed 4 sacks, before blossoming into a star in his second season. Woodley may or may not qualify for this conversation, being that he played both defensive end and linebacker at the University of Michigan. 2006: First round selection Kamerion Wimbley rewarded the Browns with an admirable rookie season. As a first-year player in 2006, Wimbley tallied 62 tackles and 11 sacks, garnering some consideration for defensive rookie of the year honors. The 49ers Manny Lawson however (1st rounder as well), has been on the opposite end of the spectrum. The ultra-athletic Lawson did give the 49ers 12 starts in 2006, but recorded only 2.5 sacks. Lawson has struggled with injuries, and to this point has just 5.5 career sacks to his credit. Lawson’s teammate Parys Haralson has been slightly better from a production standpoint, despite being a 5th round selection. 2005: Jackpot!!! With back to back 1st round selections, the Dallas Cowboys and San Diego Chargers selected Troy’s DeMarcus Ware, and Maryland’s Shawne Merriman respectively. Both had stellar rookie seasons, and quickly ascended to ranks of the league’s best at the position. 2005’s class of hybrids was not without it’s misses. Transitioning back into a 3-4 at the time, the Baltimore Ravens invested a second round pick in Oklahoma’s Dan Cody. Cody was ravaged early by the injury bug, and has to this point been a non-factor. 2004: The only real hybrid keeper from this class was San Diego 4th rounder Shaun Phillips. Phillips was a standout situational player as a rookie, and became a starter late in year two. Phillips has since become a nice bookend to teammate Shawne Merriman. Brandon Williams and Victor Butler face a daunting yet achievable task. In a perfect, injury-free world the pair would be used only on a situational basis. But if the injury plague strikes again as it did last season, these guys may see some live bullets whether they are ready or not. The Cowboys have to prepare the pair of rookies as if they are starters, as they will likely be one injury away from being just that. There is certainly a learning curve involved with making the transition from college defensive end to NFL outside linebacker. Like any position, some guys handle the adjustment better than others. Let’s hope that at least one of these guys is a fast learner.
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Primero
Glad to see something on the Defense.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
If anyone
can turn a college DE into a pro ILB, I reckon it would be Wade Phillips.
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good point
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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on May 28, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Oops
Obviously should be “OLB”. Careless typing. Sorry.
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Two of the draft choices that were hits were guys that WP had in SD so he probably recognizes the
players that can make the switch.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
Phillips' track record would seem to bode well for B. Williams and V. Butler
knock on wood
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Is it too early to ask what round I should aim for Felix in my fantasy football league?
by Aaron Novinger on May 28, 2009 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions
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by Dave Halprin on May 29, 2009 8:01 AM CDT up reply actions
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Welcome, dude!
Is it too early to ask what round I should aim for Felix in my fantasy football league?
by Aaron Novinger on May 28, 2009 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Converted ends to 34 OLBs are such intriguing athletes.
They have to be tough enough to handle the run like a down lineman, and quick enough to cover all forms of receivers.
When Dallas first drafted Butler & Williams, I gave the “huh? again?” response. But the depth chart already suggests that the D will need these boys come playing time.
I’m excited to hear that Butler (more of a pass rusher) will be backing up Ware, and throwing Justin Rogers out to the strong side. That way, they will have backups for both Ware and Spencer (B. Williams), and a swing guy in Rogers. It’s all really starting to make sense now: this Wade34CoverMan stuff.
Is it too early to ask what round I should aim for Felix in my fantasy football league?
I'm with you
The profile of good 3-4 OLB’s makes you wonder why there are so many good ones. It really requires such an athletic player for that size. I would think they would be much harder to find than NT’s (heck, everybody’s gotta have 2 of them).
by StillHateTheGiants on May 29, 2009 7:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Who was the defensive coordinator when
Shaun Phillips and Shawn Merriman were selected? Wasn’t it Wade?
He was the DC there from '04-'06.
In the voice of Mr. Burns, “Excellent”.
Is it too early to ask what round I should aim for Felix in my fantasy football league?
by Aaron Novinger on May 28, 2009 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards
by nicholas.rodriguez on May 28, 2009 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions
2006 also saw another 1st round OLB
Bobby Carpenter. He was drafted as a bookend to Ware. However he has been moved around because he cannot seem to make a start at OLB or ILB.
1st Round Special Teamer………Bradie James was a slow starter but worked hard and is a great football player for us now. Albeit not a first round selection. James has put in the work and really blossomed under BPs last year and full flight under Wade.
Here is to hoping BC can make the turn and get on the field.
I believe we're talking OLBs here, right?
Carpenter’s an ILB, although I agree we drafted him as an OLB successor to Ellis. But he played LB in college, not DE, so he doesn’t fit into the post’s criteria.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
No Depth
If Ware or Spencer go down there is no contingency at OLB, and that worries Tex. Both “tweeners” are roughly 250 pounds… same size as Lorenzen Romo, our pear-shaped quarterback who has ballooned noticeably since meeting that divorced songstress, who allegedly cheated on her husband with Bam from Jackass fame.
Made a valid point, then proceeded to derail thread with Romo comment...
at least you’re consistent.
Epic Fail since 1985
by the red scare on May 29, 2009 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Ware weighs 265 and Spencer weighs 263.
If your posts contained some facts, you might get more people to listen to them.
And not that it’s worth responding to, but Romo weighs about 225. You are weirdly fixated on his body type. It’s getting creepy.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
I think the weight comment was about the draft picks
Epic Fail since 1985
by the red scare on May 29, 2009 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Tex obviously needs his prescription
to his pop bottled glasses changed as Romo is obviously one of the thinner and more lean QBs in the league. He is listed at 225 but looks thinner than that to me.
In Romo we Trust
Wow.
I began reading your comment and was like “Yes Tex actually has something that has something to do with the article!”, then I kept reading.
Of course somebody will respond, “Tex’s posts are entertaining and intelligent!”.
Right.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
Well, it's pretty obvious....
That Tex is a sock puppet for his most passionate vocal defender. I guess there’s nothing better to do in the land down under. Or is the other dude the sock puppet?
Little note: Spencer and Phillips are both graduates of Linebacker U— West Lafayette’s Purdue University. If Spencer is able to emulate the careers of other Purdue LBs like Shaun Phillips, Roosevelt Colvin, Akin Ayodele, then he’ll be a productive starter for us for several years. I know we hope he can surpass those predecessors, but those careers would be a good place to start.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
Hmm...I always thought Williams could be a steal
if he develops properly. I’m not particularly worried about it. I’ll miss Ellis, but I loved both the Williams and Butler picks, and I’m pretty sure that Wade will find ways to use them.
Now if only Spencer can show up and be the player some people think he’s capable of being, we could have a monster D in 09. Hell, worse case scenario, Wade has to find more creative ways to pressure the QB, if Spencer turns out to be the disappointment others think he will be. I have all the faith in the world in Wade’s defensive prowess.
Epic Fail since 1985
faith in WP
If there’s one thing WP knows how to do, it’s how to bring the heat. And if Wade thinks Ellis is no longer useful, then he’s probably right. Spencer is apparently very good against the run and obviously WP thinks he can bring the heat also, along with those two rooks. Call me an optimist, but I don’t think we have to worry here. As long as the secondary holds up (and I am up on Newman/Jenkins/Scandrick/Hamlin/NOT-ROY-WILLIAMS-OR-KEITH-DAVIS Sensabaugh), we will bring the heat. It’s gonna be awesome.
The facts are this
It takes at least two years, sometimes more depending on the player, to make the complete transition from college DE to pro OLB in a 3-4 defense where the player is playing on instinct rather than thinking to much.
If the Cowboys cut Ellis and don’t acquire a veteran 3-4 OLB for depth insurance, we’ll in a world of hurt if either Spencer or Ware go down. Neither Butler nor Williams will be ready for full time duty this season as rookies.
The lack of depth at that position concerns me much more than than having Junior Savaii back up Rat.
In Romo we Trust
Your concept is correct but I'm not as concerned as you
There are options available, including B Carpenter. Plus, there are a lot cases of players who were solid (or better) as rookies. Ware and Merriman come to mind.
by StillHateTheGiants on May 29, 2009 7:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Ware and Merriman were high first round picks
Butler and Williams obviously aren’t that talented. I think in time they might be good, but this year they will strictly rush the passer and nothing more.
Carp isn’t an option because Phillips is on record as saying he sees him as only an ILB.
In Romo we Trust
Yeah, the issue with our depth rookies is not just their youth, but that we did not begin picking them until the second day of the draft, and despite their potential, they lasted that long for a reason. They have limitations and are not ready to hit an NFL field.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
Butler and Williams
were highly PRODUCTIVE players in college. I don’t know what it is that makes them “not that talented.” I know their forty times weren’t great but that does not make them not talented. Having said that, regardless of what Wade said if Spencer went down the first game, neither of those guys would be his reaplacement. The Ellis decision was extremely risky and may bite the Cowboys in the rear.
I never said they weren't talented
I said they clearly aren’t as talented as Ware and Merriman and that can’t be disputed.
In Romo we Trust
Of course it
can be disputed. No one has even put on pads yet and you are saying they are clearly not as talented as Ware or Merriman I guesss because of where they were drafted? You make statements as absolutes as if it is impossible for them to be as talented and have never given either an opportunity to play. Considering that type of logic, Ryan Leaf is more talented than Tom Brady simply because of where each was drafted. Yes Terry, it can be disputed.
ok, it can't be reasonably disputed, how's that
and FYI, Leaf physically is more talented than Brady, the difference is Brady knows how to play and is very smart, can process information as well as anyone.
Leaf is a headcase and is as dumb as a box of rocks.
In Romo we Trust
Terry,
I wish to personally thank you for at the very least agreeing on the word “reasonably.” ( I know that was big for you, lol) I will admit you are “probably” right about the talent level. See? Cowboy fans can agree (kind of) on issues as long as we stay open minded. In the end, we are all seeking the same goals. Personally, I hope everyone we drafted goes to the HOF but I am not that naive. As for Ryan Leaf, what a waste of talent. I should be so lucky to have such an opportunity and screw it up.
Didn't the Cowboys
kinda throw out the usual yardsticks and go looking to draft football players? Knowing they weren’t going to pick until the second day, they went for scrappy guys with upside who could start immediately and enthusiastically on ST, and make serviceable backups with a crack at starting down the road.
Gotta think Wade sought and found guys who can make the team better right now.
Oh, I forgot. Justin Tuck says we got nobody in the draft would can help the team.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
who can help ...
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
Tuck
was a commentator on NFL Network, which of course is way better than a mere GM.
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