Vegas Says 9.5 Wins For Cowboys
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on May 6, 2009 1:35 PM CDT
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The Venetian has released it's annual NFL win total over/unders for 2009. I am not a fan of gambling, and that is not the purpose of this post. Whether you gamble or not, you have to respect Las Vegas' reputation for being near the mark on sports predictions. In the past, Las Vegas odds have been a pretty accurate barometer for NFL win totals.
This year, the Venetian views the 2009 NFC East like this:
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New York Giants - 10.5 wins
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Dallas Cowboys - 9.5 wins
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Philadelphia Eagles - 9 wins
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Washington Redskins - 8 wins
Complete list here
In my opinion, the oddsmakers hit the Cowboys' win total dead on the head. The schedule is tough, but December will be a bit less difficult than it was last season. The Cowboys lose Terrell Owens, but should get enough production from guys like Martellus Bennett, Felix Jones, and Miles Austin to offset Owens' loss. With Wade Phillips in full control of the defense right out of the gate, the Cowboys should be a bit more steady on that side of the ball.
A lot of the analysts are saying that Dallas may have a better team in 2009, but not necessarily a better record. What do you think of the oddsmakers' prediction for the 2009 Cowboys?
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First!
Okay I’ve never been first before in three years, so I had to do it…
I have noticed a new resurgence in Cowboy hating in 2007, which can only mean one thing- We're back.
by nspirals on May 6, 2009 1:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
oh yeah...
I think 9-7, 10-6, and 11-5 are all real possibilities, so i took the median score, which is the over.
I have noticed a new resurgence in Cowboy hating in 2007, which can only mean one thing- We're back.
by nspirals on May 6, 2009 1:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
did that really require two posts?
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
by ivysafety39 on May 6, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah thanks for the awesome commentary
Don't believe everything you think.
Your causes are cute!!!
by stoproyce on May 6, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was for ivysafety
Don't believe everything you think.
Your causes are cute!!!
by stoproyce on May 6, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
blah blah blah
Defender of stupidity
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on May 6, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are things said(written) on here way dumber than 1st.
The Democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson
by squidlo97 on May 6, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree on that
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on May 6, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
over, but barely
10-6 is my guess for this season
by scottmaui on May 6, 2009 1:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
For those who voted "Dead On"
9.5 wins is impossible. Just FYI.
by Bluecheese on May 6, 2009 2:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i voted dead on.
but thanks for the awesome commentary. though, technically, a tie could be half a win, ask the eagles. so. well. nice effort.
i think this team is somewhere between 9-10 wins. but i’d lean more towards the under. the other teams in the East have gotten better, the boys are just trying to stay healthy, get more useful depth, and get better on special teams.
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
by ivysafety39 on May 6, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm below that...
I’d like to be more optimistic about the Cowboys. But I think the odds of the Cowboys slipping is greater than the Cowboys becoming a dominant team. I’d say 7-9 and 6-10 are more likely than 12-4 or 13-3. With that, I think we’re a 50% team. 8-8 is my target. I think that’s our overall talent level — including our coaching talent.
by Eagles suck on May 6, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I knew I couldn't be the only sane one here
Being a blog of Cowboys fans, I guess it’s expected that a lot of people would be optimistic, but three-fourths of us picked the over? I don’t know about all that. Our division is just way too nasty. After what happened to my Spurs and my Cowboys this past year, I’m taking the under. We’ll get 8 or 9.
by Cavazos on May 6, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm Going with the Under
I think we’ll win eight games. Too many questions on offense, a defense that has talent but has never been a consistent shut down unit. Special teams should be better, though. I’m sticking with 8-8, with the Giants winning the division.
by kindablue on May 6, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think 10 wins is just ridiculously optimistic.
Dallas has won at least 9 games since 2005.
Last year they won 9 with a huge series of injuries including the QB.
I don’t think that it’s just a huge stretch to think they’ll have 9 or 10 wins.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on May 6, 2009 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I don't think 10 wins is a huge stretch
Personally, I just don’t see us having a consistent enough offense to win more than 8. I just have this feeling that it’s going to be another up and down type of year where we win one and lose one all dang season.
You can do a lot of things in life. You can't stab a teammate with a pair of scissors. - Kevin Smith
by kameleon_o on May 10, 2009 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if we sustain injuries again
thats very possible, but healthy, our offense should be one of the best in the NFL.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on May 11, 2009 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope so.
I mean I generally trust Romo to throw it to the open guy but I’m having a hard time trusting RW to get open. I know he was injured but I was pretty underwhelmed by him last year.
You can do a lot of things in life. You can't stab a teammate with a pair of scissors. - Kevin Smith
by kameleon_o on May 11, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
our offense will be more balanced this year
Our running attack will become a bigger factor and as a result our receivers should be able to get open.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on May 12, 2009 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong!
This isn’t hockey.
Unlike a Cowboys' season, in life, there may not be a next year.
by Reno Cowboy on May 7, 2009 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tie?
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
by OskieOskie on May 6, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually
9 wins, 5 losses, 1 tie …. tie = half a win …. 9.5!
This suit is NOT black!!
by what_the_crap on May 6, 2009 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously you haven't done a lot of gambling in Vegas
A tie will give you a half point in hockey, but not football.
Unlike a Cowboys' season, in life, there may not be a next year.
by Reno Cowboy on May 7, 2009 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
9.5 seemed cheap to me
I mean does Vegas think we’ll win 9 games or 10. Seems to me like there covering their ass.
by jack dein on May 6, 2009 2:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's a betting line.
They are forcing gamblers to make that decision. Do you want to bet 9 or 10?
by Baked Potato Soup on May 6, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve never been big on sports betting. It’s not because I don’t gamble because I love poker but betting on sports just makes me more angry when they lose because then I’m losing money.
by jack dein on May 6, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vegas doesn't care
Unlike a Cowboys' season, in life, there may not be a next year.
by Reno Cowboy on May 7, 2009 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
I think 9.5 is a pretty good line. I think Dallas is going to go 10-6, possibly 11-5.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on May 6, 2009 2:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Vegas doesn’t actually set the lines based on the number of wins they think a team will have. They set the lines based on what number they think will generate equal action on each side. Vegas knows that fans will bet with their heart and often think their team is better than it really is.
Now, because there are so many Cowboys fans that jumped on the bandwagon when the Cowboys were good in the 90’s, the Cowboys probably have the most fans nationwide, and the line here reflects that. Truth is, Vegas doesn’t think very highly of the boys at all this year.
by Bye, Dawk :( on May 6, 2009 2:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You are correct about how Vegas sets the lines that’s why I always find it amusing when athletes get offended by Vegas oddsmakers when the line has their opponent listed as a 7 pt. favorite etc.
You’re second point about what Vegas thinks of the Cowboys doesn’t make any sense. I guess in your opinion they must think Eagles are going to win the SB.
by Este on May 6, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exhibit A – Look at the poll above. We can agree it’s mostly Cowboys fans on here, right? Only 14% took the under.
by Bye, Dawk :( on May 6, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, but at the same time would any cowboy, eagles, redskin, or giants fan feel that
their team will finish under 10-6? Let’s all be realistic at this point in the season the fan consensus in this division will believe that their respective team will be at least 10-6. So regardless of what vegas, the pundits and anyone else may think of the boys future; right now I would just like to see a year of consistent good football from the boys and at least a couple of playoff wins. I do not care it it means they finish 9-7 or 10-6; 13-3 does not gurantee anything, end of rant.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
by cowboy78 on May 6, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only 14% took the under, because this isn't a random event here.
This survey is severely skewed to the positive. This blog isn’t Vegas and isn’t asking us to back our vote with money.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
by GunsUp on May 6, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for jumping in to a Cowboys thread, again....
Truth is, Vegas doesn’t think very highly of the boys at all this year.
How do you know this?
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on May 6, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No problem. Glad to. What I’m saying is that with ANY popular team with a lot of fans (think Yankees, Cowboys, Lakers, Tiger Woods, etc), Vegas is always going to shade to number higher than it should be because they Have to compensate for the high number of bets fans will place on their own team. For Vegas to ONLY set the line at 9.5 tells me that they really think it’s more like 8.5.
by Bye, Dawk :( on May 6, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look at the odds to win the 2010 SB
NE 9/2
PIT 9/1
NYG 10/1
Dallas 12/1
IND 12/1
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PHI 16/1
Looks like they set these odds according to which team has the best chance at having a successful season.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on May 6, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re totally not getting what I’m saying even a little.
by Bye, Dawk :( on May 6, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looking forward to seeing Brian Dawkins in Denver
he’ll sure look good busting up those Chargers and Raiders
by AustonianAggie on May 6, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I get it
You are just wrong. We know Vegas sets lines to bring in the most possible action, but at the same time, they aren’t going to list the odds for a team to set themselves up for potential $$$ loss.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on May 6, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I get it
You’re a troll that likes to stir the pot up. So why don’t you go put your money down on the under for the Cowboys. Then when the season is over, come back and tell us all how you did. Fair enough?
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on May 6, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Done...
…and done!!!
And I like the post. Nice work.
by Bye, Dawk :( on May 6, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you
and no offense but I hope you lose.
For the record I think DAL, PHI, and NYG will all be battling up until the last 2 weeks for the division.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on May 6, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok...
but he is right
Red and Black!! Red and Black!! Red and Black!! Congrats boys first time in team history over .500
by aussie_cowboy on May 7, 2009 2:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the nationwide bet was the same as on this blog
it would not remain 9.5. You would see the oddsmakers adjusting the line upward until the total was in balance. What will actually happen, and this is a fact—I know because I live in Nevada—the total take is “expected” to be roughly 50-50 on each side of 9.5.
Unlike a Cowboys' season, in life, there may not be a next year.
by Reno Cowboy on May 7, 2009 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So let’s try to follow your argument. No matter what win total Vegas sets, because their is a pro cowboys bias in your opinion, a majority will always bet the over. So in that case Vegas could never achieve equal distribution of wagers when it comes to Cowboy O/U wagers.
by Este on May 6, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do you say
The majority will always bet the over? That makes no sense from the Vegas oddsmakers perspective. See my comment above titled:
If the nationwide bet was the same as on this blog
Unlike a Cowboys' season, in life, there may not be a next year.
by Reno Cowboy on May 7, 2009 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, the band wagon was jumped on the 70s. By the way they think even less of the beagles.
The Democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson
by squidlo97 on May 6, 2009 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
70’s, 90’s, whatever… The point is that it’s probably the mostpopular franchise in the NFL. It’s not my opinion that Vegas does this… It’s a fact.
by Bye, Dawk :( on May 6, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll agree that we have a great number of fans but we also have more enemies than other teams.
I believe it evens out in the end. You go to all other 31 teams and you will find less than 14 thinking the Boys will be over.
The Democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson
by squidlo97 on May 6, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, it probably does equal out
people are as likely to bet against us based on heart as for us.
but bottom line is that when people are betting real $, there’s less heart involved, so the vegas line is tapping into a collective intelligence that is probably closer to the real thinking of informed followers of football than some individual expert or random poll of people who have nothing on the line.
by scottmaui on May 6, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, more emotion is involved than you might think
When the Rams were in LA, they beat the odds less often than they do now because of the heavy pro Rams bias coming out of LA. Even now, I see the same thing, but to a lesser degree, with both the 49ers and Raiders here in Reno.
I agree with you and DoomsdayD75 below that the Cowboys are probably the most hated team, and that is certainly going to cancel out any pro “America’s Team” betting, thereby making the odds fairly close over the course of the season.
Unlike a Cowboys' season, in life, there may not be a next year.
by Reno Cowboy on May 7, 2009 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We are also the most hated franchise
so how does that figure into Vegas lines?
by DoomsdayD75 on May 7, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
can we get rid of these eagle fans...why all the trolling
do not be upset at us vegas hates the birds this year with only a 9 win over /under line jezzzzzzzz
by scandrick32 on May 6, 2009 3:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
based on recent comments
Based on the comments given by someone earlier that vegas actually thinks that the cowboys will win 8.5 games (not 9.5), that means they think that the eagles will win 8 (not 9) either way, the cowboys are rated over the eagles this year. Don’t know why all of the fuss on here about it. Stop worrying about it. Its all numbers. If any of you recall they said the Cowboys and Chargers would be in the super bowl at the beginning of the season and the Chargers almost missed the playoffs just as the cowboys narrowly did. You can’t believe anything right now. Just wait until the season starts, thats all you can do.
Tony Romo off in dat hole, Watch roll and watch him throw, Watch him lead dem cowboys to the super bowl, now watch me "yua!" crank dat cowboys, Now watch me "yua!" crank dat cowboys, Now watch me "yua!" crank dat cowboys, Now watch me "yua!" crank dat cowboys!
by ProBowlFactory on May 6, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it is a compliment to this blog
that an eagles fan is on here posting valid comments related to the thread.
If Bye, Dawk was here just posting “Cowboys Suck!” then that would be another story. What’s wrong with well written opposite points of view? I actually learned something by reading his comments.
BTW have you donated to the camp fund yet Dawk? ;)
Game Recognize Game
by pretty ricky on May 7, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
Cowboys suck!!! Haha, just kidding (well, not really). And you know what, I enjoy coming on here when there’s nothing new over at BGN (there’s NEVER anything new on the Giants site, and I just don’t care about the Redskins), so sure… Maybe I should contribute (once the next paycheck comes in).
by Bye, Dawk :( on May 7, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh no… You’re a Mets fan, too? Ay Carumba… My 2 most hated teams.
by Bye, Dawk :( on May 7, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah Mets fan
Feel like I am betraying my Texas roots but jumped on the bandwagon in 86 and loved Darryl Strawberry and Dwight Gooden. Then moved to the Hampton Roads region of Virginia where the Norfolk Tides were the Mets AAA affiliate. Got to see Reyes and Wright come through. That was great. My hatred for the Phillies is only surpassed by that for the Braves.
Game Recognize Game
by pretty ricky on May 7, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
You can do a lot of things in life. You can't stab a teammate with a pair of scissors. - Kevin Smith
by kameleon_o on May 10, 2009 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they set the line on what they think will happen. Cowboys have more fans than alot of teams but they have more enemies as well.
The line will also shift based on where the most bets fall. I think your projecting hope.
The Democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson
by squidlo97 on May 6, 2009 3:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Only the REAL gamblers will look to bet the under where they think they’re getting good value. But the majority of the bets are people betting on their own team.
by Bye, Dawk :( on May 6, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dont bookies/vegas get a 10% cut of whatever is bet. That the only real protection they have is equal betting on both sides.
The Democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson
by squidlo97 on May 6, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. That’s what I’m saying… With a team like the Ciwboys, they have to push the number higher to make it appealing for people to bet the under to compensate for all the fans taking the over.
by Bye, Dawk :( on May 6, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what do the fans have to compensate for?
by AustonianAggie on May 6, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was referring to Vegas compensating, not the fans.
by Bye, Dawk :( on May 6, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still think they have to get the number as close to right as they can.
Fans are dumb bettors(which is why I dont bet on my teams) They wiill bet with their love of their team but haters will do the same. I think they have to get close to the right number as they can. That and the fact that they usually do get the right number anyway barring a tragic injury to a key member.
The Democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson
by squidlo97 on May 6, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not necessarily. If one side of the line is seeing way more action than the other, they can easily just change the line. Wait a second… How old is everyone on here. I’m not corrupting anyone, am I?
I don’t want an angry call from any of your parents!
(not directed at you, squidlo)
by Bye, Dawk :( on May 6, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dallas Back in the 1990's
Had one of the worst record against the spreads, because all the band wagon fans were always taking them. It seems to support your argument that they have to inflate the over to even out the bets.
by kindablue on May 6, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Red and Black!! Red and Black!! Red and Black!! Congrats boys first time in team history over .500
by aussie_cowboy on May 7, 2009 2:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea that 10% is called "juice"
but bookies usually only get “juice” on staight up bets like the Cowboys by 5 in a game. There usually isnt any “juice” on parlays or teasers…..
Yea I have gambled a little……
by WALKERMAN on May 6, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's $11 to win $10
on a straight odds bet. Moneyline is different but still roughly 10% to the house. Since I live here (Reno) I too know a little of which I speak. The house actually gets more on parlays and teasers than straight bets.
Unlike a Cowboys' season, in life, there may not be a next year.
by Reno Cowboy on May 8, 2009 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m willing to concede you might have a point. Let me ask what does it matter?
by Este on May 6, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It matters because I’m bored at work and i’m trying to kill some time.
by Bye, Dawk :( on May 6, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
real gamblers? who's that?
some strip riff raff?
by AustonianAggie on May 6, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Real gamblers wait on the emotion of fans to bet and shift the number to a more winnable bet. when the betting evens out or goes the other way the line shifts again.
The Democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson
by squidlo97 on May 6, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since we will get into a pissing contest talking about our teams, what do you think the Giant and Wash teams will be like this year.
You guys are near Wash and NY. What is the buzz coming out of their camps. All we get is BSPN and based on what they say about us we know they dont really have a clue.
The Democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson
by squidlo97 on May 6, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't say on Wash...
But I actually live 10 miles from Giants Stadium, and although they’re happy about their draft (and they should be), they have some really serious doubts about Manning and the rest of that offense. If teams stack 8 in the box to stop that run game, can Manning and those receivers make defenses pay. A lot of them aren’t so sure.
Their D-Line is ridiculous though. That D-Line alone will win them 8 games.
by Bye, Dawk :( on May 6, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We dont know about that.....
Is osi gonna have the same burst? is canty going to adjust to 4-3 that easy i think its safe to say they have some ?’s about there team just like all of the rest of us.
by regaberto on May 6, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They also have Tuck, Rocky Bernard, Kiwanika, Cofield, Robbins, etc. Look, I don’t like it either, but they’re stacked on the D-Line.
by Bye, Dawk :( on May 6, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ya they Def have depth but kiwanika was gonna move back to LB i thought..
Either way they will be Solid
by regaberto on May 6, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, they signed Michael Boley as a LB. Kiwi’s gonna be on their D-Line rotation (which doesn’t mean they can’t drop him into coverage on zone blitzes).
by Bye, Dawk :( on May 6, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree, that Dline is scary and with Osi back they could only be better.
Still I wonder what the loss of Spags is going to do to them. That guy along with your DC can call a mean game. Those guys get after it but Spags put them in the right place at the right time. It seems to me that whenever you lose a great DC you feel it.
Speaking of which, when in the hell is Johnson going to leave for a HC job? He is over due.
The Democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson
by squidlo97 on May 6, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He looks like Al Davis
I dont think hes got to much more gas in the tank.
by regaberto on May 6, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never
Way too old, and he has medical conditions.
by Bye, Dawk :( on May 6, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How's he doing
Last I read he was out of remission.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on May 6, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is, but he’s on the practice field on a rascal.
by Bye, Dawk :( on May 6, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good for him
Those rascals are pretty sweet rides
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on May 6, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Im Andy Reid, I have him call the game from his hospital bed.
I think Reid is a good coach but his time probably would have ended without Johnson.
The Democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson
by squidlo97 on May 6, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed...
If it were socially acceptable, I’d ride around in one too.
by Bye, Dawk :( on May 6, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
just wondering
can you bet on the division as a whole? Cause theres no way this division only finishes 4 games above 500. The NFC south is really overrated and we have the west this year. Though I think the talent level in this division has dropped compared to the start of 2008, we still have 4 tough defenses and enough reliable offensive peices per team to win 8 games each.
If I was a betting man, I’d take the Giants under, Cowboys and Eagles over.
by foyesboys on May 6, 2009 3:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good question...
If you look hard enough, you can pretty much bet anything.
by Bye, Dawk :( on May 6, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im going over on Jason Peters sack total of ten
by regaberto on May 6, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m going under 30 for catches made by Roy Williams.
by Bye, Dawk :( on May 6, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ill take your bet how much you wanna go?????
by regaberto on May 6, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha...
I’ll do that bet if you do the Jason Peters bet.
by Bye, Dawk :( on May 6, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But NFC East teams
beat each other up week-in and week-out. That will make the win totals go down despite the fact that the worst NFC East team can probably treat the NFC-South winner like a JV team if everything were even.
by JimmyJohnson on May 6, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Off topic but I just saw a video of Robert Brewster on the DMN blog.
It must have been at one of the all-star games. He was playing tackle in practice and looked pretty agile there. However, he seemed to be pushed back into the coach (acting as QB) a few times. He seemed to have trouble with bull rushing. He needs to hit the weights, that’s fixable; he just needs to get stronger. If he adds strength to his athleticism, he could be a steal.
by beautifultyrant on May 6, 2009 3:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
here's the link
http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/05/dallas-cowboys-draft-review-ol-robert-br.html
BTW Roy Williams, safety, just signed with the Bengals.
by beautifultyrant on May 6, 2009 4:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good for him!
I was glad to see him go. But I hope he is able to revive his career there. He was a first-class guy. I hope he was right about being better suited to a 4-3.
by JimmyJohnson on May 6, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ya i hope hes comeback player of the year
I still love that guy.
by regaberto on May 6, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Wanted him to go, for the sake of your new D… but he brought a few years of quality entertainment w/ some of those hits… lol, I own a RW jersey… hope he does very well..
Hooah.
by .FRoST.USAF on May 6, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Folk Has Hip Surgery
Interesting developments about Nick Folk. A kicker with hip problems this early in his career doesn’t sound good. But, we can all hope for the best.
by Este on May 6, 2009 4:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i wonder if that factored into their drafting of Buehler at all
maybe not, there’s plenty of reasons to do so anyway, but they were obviously aware of Folks’ need for surgery at the time of the draft, and while he’s expected to recovery fully, it may have increased the importance of getting not just a kickoff specialist but insurance on FGs as well.
by scottmaui on May 6, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
10- 6
It’s a tough schedule. December especially. A solid December makes this 11 – 5 , but I like 10 – 6 better. Love to see a playoff game at home.
by oldboysfan on May 6, 2009 4:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone got the odds of McNabb puking on himself this year?
Is bodog supporting this bet this year?
by sublimezg on May 6, 2009 5:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What's gonna happen more this year?
Number of times McNabb pukes, or number of big games Tony Romo win will.
So far, one of those 2 things has happened WAY more.
by Bye, Dawk :( on May 6, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What does it matter which happens more?
Either one can occur and it will make me laugh.
by sublimezg on May 6, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we'll nail it exactly
9 straight up wins, with a half win given for a moral victory in Week 15 or 16 as a tired Cowboys team almost mounts a late comeback against some division rival. 9.5 on the nose.
Training camp cannot get here soon enough.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on May 6, 2009 5:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well if Vegas is right
9 wins doesnt get us in the playoffs guys……10 wins may not….
by Boyzfan94 on May 7, 2009 12:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cant see us winnign less than 12
barring serious injury
Red and Black!! Red and Black!! Red and Black!! Congrats boys first time in team history over .500
by aussie_cowboy on May 7, 2009 2:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No way, not in this division...9 wins is reasonable, 10 wins is stretching it
by Boyzfan94 on May 7, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think 10 wins is...
stretching it.
I’d say that there is a pretty good chance that Dallas would have won 10 if Romo hadn’t went down for 3 games last year.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on May 11, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we remain healthy
there is no way we win less than 10 games.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on May 7, 2009 3:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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