The Valley Ranch Review: Nick Folk has Surgery, Tough NFC East

by Aaron Novinger on May 6, 2009 6:00 PM CDT in News Comment 80 comments

Cowboys kicker Nick Folk had surgery on his right hip Tuesday to repair a labral tear and is expected to need eight weeks to resume light kicking, which could allow him to return in time for training camp.

Hat tip to Brandon Worley for his FanPost.

Rick Gosselin picks the Giants and Eagles to control the NFC. He cites their drafts and free agent acquisitions as reasons both teams will be better this season.

The Giants aren't building this team for the future – they are building for now. Nicks gives them now on the flank. And Barden gives them size. He was the biggest receiver in this draft at 6-6 – size that will help New York replace the 6-5 Burress in the red zone.

The Eagles started building on the foundation of a 9-6-1 wild-card team with the off-season trade acquisition of Pro Bowl left tackle Jason Peters from the Buffalo Bills. With Demarcus Ware, Umenyiora and now Brian Orakpo roaring off the weak side on the pass rush, you need a quality left tackle to survive in the NFC East. The Eagles now have one of the best.

As for the Cowboys and Redskins:

Both Dallas and Washington fielded top 10 defenses in 2008. But Washington's will be markedly better on that side of the ball in 2009 with $100 million free agent tackle Albert Haynesworth clogging up the middle and first-round draft pick Orakpo bring his speed off the edge in the pass rush.

The Cowboys have the better offense than Washington – but how much better without lead receiver Terrell Owens and his 10 touchdowns? With the Cowboys moving into a billion-dollar palace in 2009, I thought Jerry Jones would make a dramatic move at some point to excite ticket buyers.

More after the jump, including some rookie previews and updates on the facility collapse investigation.

Pete Prisco gives the Cowboys a #15 overall power ranking saying:

They have talent, but something just seems to be off. I don't think they're as good as the Eagles or Giants in their own division, which is why they are down this low.

He ranks the Eagles at 5, Giants at 6, and the Skins at 23.

Ex-Cowboys safety Roy Williams has found a new home with the Bengals. Roy re-unites with Mike Zimmer and Tank Johnson, although his contract isn't quite up to what he got last time he signed one.

The Dallas Cowboys vs. The Dallas Texans? That's right! This year, the Cowboys will be playing in two "Legacy" games to commemorate the 50^th anniversary for the eight original AFL teams. Other than the Texans (now the Kansas City Chiefs), the Cowboys will host the Oakland Raiders on Thanksgiving.

The Cowboys need a new practice home. Could the new stadium in Arlington be ready?

Another Summit Structure facility at an Oklahoma casino was set to be inspected prior to this weekend's accident.

Spokeswoman Kym Koch says the inspection was planned two weeks ago, but could be prioritized after the collapse Saturday at the Cowboys' facility injured 12 and paralyzed one man from the waist down.

Both tents were built by Summit Structures LLC of Allentown, Pa., but Koch says the casino's tent structure is not as tall as the one that was at Cowboys' practice facility.

This wasn't the first practice facility collapse for QB Rudy Carpenter. A similar bubble structure used by Arizona State was also destroyed by a storm last year.

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Ummm

I got news for Gosselin ….. we don’t need a “dramatic move” to be excited. First, it’s the Cowboys. Second, we be getting a new stadium. Third, three words …. Barber, Jones, Choice.

Trust me, being a Cowboys fan, nothing but excitement.

This suit is NOT black!!

by what_the_crap on May 6, 2009 6:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

wins = excitement

period. whatever it takes to get there is much more important than some splashy personnel acquisition.

by scottmaui on May 6, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

ya i think its a shame for the whole NFC East not to be in the top 15

It just shows you how somebody can look so bleakly at a franchise and just make assumptions.. im looking forward to a top 5 D this year..

by regaberto on May 6, 2009 6:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I think its hilarious.........

to even put out power rankings when NOT one single team has played a down yet. As much as i respect Rick Gosselin’s work, i have to say i really dont give a crap where he ranks us in may.

by TARHEEL PAUL on May 6, 2009 6:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

+1000

It’s way too premature to say anything about how teams are going to do, #1, he is believing that his draft rankings are 100% accurate and is going straight off paper, with no injuries and just projections….A lot of people are already putting the Pats in the SB again but who knows how Brady is going to do coming back from the knee injury, Carson Palmer really hasn’t looked the same since Pitt blew out his knee. And about the Giants…. Are they really expecting 2 rookie receivers to make teams not stack the box against them…. Everyone saw how they did after Plax shot himself, now the D will keep them in it but can their Offense win it. With Philly, Can Peters truly handle Ware, Osi, Orakpo twice apiece next year, Westbrook is now at that magic age where RBs decline quick so can McCoy step up… There are still to many ?s….. ours being can our top 2 RBs come back from toe injuries, will our Oline be able to get back to form, how will our second year players do. My point being, these are as useless as mock drafts and less fun

"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards

by nicholas.rodriguez on May 6, 2009 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thong signs with Baby Tigers !!!

The Bengals can now enjoy Roys’ pass defense skills. Poor Zimmer…I hope he realizes he’s getting a very different player than what he knew.

by Lobsterman on May 6, 2009 6:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

He made 4 probowls with zimmer....

I think he will be great back in a 43 defense…..

by regaberto on May 6, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Aaaaaaaaagggg

This isn’t directly at you regaberto, because I’ve heard this more than just once.

The safety play in a 3-4 and a 4-3 is NOT that much different, if at all.

You can take bad angles, not wrap up, and blow coverage just the same in a 4-3 as you can a 3-4.

I don’t KNOW anything, but I would bet a paycheck that Roy Williams will not be great just because he’s back in a 4-3. I’d probably bet that he won’t even be good.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by AirforceBat on May 6, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I never thought he was that bad... with us.

He blew it up in a couple of plays. but i thought last year he was going to come back and make a big difference and he ended up getting hurt. I wish the man luck.

by regaberto on May 6, 2009 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thong Was Bad

Very very bad . . .

by Iowacowboy on May 6, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

... especially for the $$$ Jerry ponied up.

by GalTex on May 6, 2009 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I wish the man luck too

But he’s never going to get back to form unless he adjusts his own attitude.

he was overweight, unprepared, and just plain not into football (dont know that last one for sure, just a guess). He was content to point the finger at everyone else, on the field and off. He needed to go, and i dont suspect he’ll be any better in cinci unless he has manned up and swallowed a bunch of humble pie.

by THEjarhead on May 6, 2009 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He was really really really bad...........

the last three years anyway. Last night on the NFL network they were showing the 2007 season opener and not only did he get toasted a few times but Shockey ran all over him. Roy never could cover that well but it was his big hits that kept me rooting for him. Some where along the line he stoped doing that. The last three years he not only sucked at coverage and tackling but he also never delivered the big hits he was famous for. I wish him all the luck in the world and i hope he turns things around in cincy.

by TARHEEL PAUL on May 6, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Roy ain't getting paid squat....

and they’re not even guaranteeing him a starting position, so I think it will be different than his last few years here. They’ll be able to use him sparingly and mainly on running downs. But it certainly looks like his pro bowl days might be over.

by osa1011 on May 6, 2009 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thats jacked up!....

Its funny how all the experts were calling for T.O.‘s Head… “Get Rid of the Cancer” but now that he’s gone everyone is shrugging their shoulders sayings… “well Their offense won’t be as good because I don’t see how the are gonna replace his production…”

You can’t have it both ways everybody is talking about winning right now and building your team to win now but if the move to get rid of Owens was so great for the team like everyone said it would be then Dallas should be given the benefit of Less "" Distraction "" as a boost to locker room morale , team chemistry, and whatever other reasons people were coming up with to say why we needed to get rid of him.

Our Corp of WR should now flourish better then any in the East with the Absence of T.O., Our QB will now be able to breath easy in the huddle knowing he is no longer intimidated to force the ball in to T.O. All of these things should be positives for the Boy’s so why is that ever mentioned? All I’ve been hearing is “What is Dallas gonna do now?”

Now of course this is all smoke and mirrors and crystal ball predictions but if your going to feed to the unwashed masses how much better off the Cowboys will be this season with the subtraction of a player, then that should added into the equations when your coming up with predictions

Semper Fi.

by UnNecessary Roughness on May 6, 2009 6:58 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs

Agreed

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by AirforceBat on May 6, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

+1

You had to see this comin’ though. That’s how they are.

Jerry Jones could go in his sock, slap you wit a stack of hundreds, then catch you again on the backswing wit 3 Super Bowl rings. So who the hell are you makin' fun of?

by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on May 6, 2009 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'll believe it when I see it

Maybe overall the O will be better off without TO, I don’t see any single player on the roster replacing his production from the last 3 years.

If the line is healthy, the three headed monster will grind it out. Romo has decent WRs and great TEs. The O will still put up big numbers.

by birdness on May 6, 2009 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

For two of those years

TO wasn’t a lights out top 10 wr. Roy Williams could very well replace his production from the 06 and 08 years..

I remember 06, we saw TO get shut down by a bunch of noname cbs (saints db fred thomas i believe, eagles’ joselio hanson, whatever crap seattle threw out that playoff game. Last year, he really wasn’t a threat to break through double coverage. 1/5 of his yards came in 1 game. I think Roy can absolutely replace that.

by foyesboys on May 6, 2009 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Owens was #1 in TDs in 2006, and 9th in yardage.

Owens has had at least 1,000 yards and 9 TDs in 8 out of the last 9 years, including last year, with the only exception being the year he was suspended by Philly, and he still had 763 yds and 6 TDs in 7 games. Roy has never had 9 TDs in a season and has only gone over 840 yards once in 6 years. I hope Roy becomes the greatest receiver in Cowboys history, but if he replaces TO, it will be a big step up for him, not business as usual.

I don’t think we’re better without TO, especially since he counts against the cap anyway. If Roy W does step up and equal TO’s production, then we still would have been better with TO and RW than RW and Crayton.

by Baked Potato Soup on May 7, 2009 1:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

+1

Owens was absolutely a top 10 WR over the last three years.

Red and Black!! Red and Black!! Red and Black!! Congrats boys first time in team history over .500

by aussie_cowboy on May 7, 2009 2:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I believe

that Owens had more TD catches than any WR in the NFL over the last three years. That stat alone will get you in the top ten of WRs.

by jevans1729 on May 7, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not going to argue the whole Eagles/Giants maybe being better...

Because it is definitly debatable.

But I do find it funny that these “experts” who have been doing this for a while throw rookie wr’s in the equation.

Rookie wr’s are sooo upredictable. For every Desean Jackson you get 3 Freddie Mitchells.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by AirforceBat on May 6, 2009 6:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

We have the best WR corp in the NFC East

Without TO.

"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards

by nicholas.rodriguez on May 6, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

They all look about the same to me

The other three teams have more potential because their WRs are untested. All we know is that none of our current WRs produced modest numbers with only limited touches.

by birdness on May 6, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

C'mon....

I can see an argument for us having the top #1 receiver in the NFC East. If Roy can regain his form, he is up there with Santana Moss. But our #2 (probably Crayton) wouldn’t even be on the Giants roster – Smith, Moss, Nix, Barden, Manningham, Tyree, Hixon. In fact, he wouldn’t be the #2 receiver on the Eagles or Redskins either. Our #3 (Austin) is at the same level as out #2. He wouldn’t make the Giants squad. He might be the #3 for the Eagles – but not the Giants or Redskins. It’s safe to say our #4 and #5 (Hurd, Stanback) wouldn’t make any other NFC East roster.

by JimmyJohnson on May 6, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You really think Crayton wouldn't be on the Giants roster?

Dude he would be on the Giants roster. He isn’t THAT bad.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by AirforceBat on May 6, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Who does he bump for the #5 slot?

Manningham, Tyree, or Hixon? He certainly isn’t bumping any of the top 4.

by JimmyJohnson on May 6, 2009 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry. I meant he would have to bump all 3

to be the #5 receiver for the Gnats.

by JimmyJohnson on May 6, 2009 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He'd bump

Manningham, Tryee, and Moss.

I’m not Mr. Patrick Crayton, but those guys aren’t anything better than him.

And right now Barden and Nix are rookies so you can’t really say.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by AirforceBat on May 6, 2009 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Crayton

would currently be the second best wr on the giants roster.

by foyesboys on May 6, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

and when you add in tight end

we have the best receiving weapons in the division by far. Well maybe not philly with westbrook.

by foyesboys on May 6, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Austin's better than any receiver not named Steve Smith on the Giants squad

And Crayton is what he is, a dependable #3.

Epic Fail since 1985

by the red scare on May 7, 2009 1:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Based on what, exactly?

Austin has proven nothing. He has a lot of potential, but so do the young guys on any team.

by Baked Potato Soup on May 7, 2009 1:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Based on my opinion, I guess...

He has more experience in the NFL than any other receiver on the roster. Maybe Hixon could be better, I dunno’…I kind of doubt it.

Epic Fail since 1985

by the red scare on May 7, 2009 2:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

it's all based on opinion

Santana Moss is a notorious vanisher… if it weren’t for Roy Williams, Sanatana Moss would largely be an after thought… Moss built his career on Thong Williams

by AustonianAggie on May 7, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

So...

this article says we’ll suck because we lost TO but the Giants will be okeedokee even though they lost their top WR. But thats ok, they got those two already proven WR’s Nicks and Barden so I guess their O will be just fine.
BTW…can Orakpo play a down before they mention him in the same breath as Ware and Umenyiora. What a garbage article

by fretman on May 6, 2009 7:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Good question, but i do think orakpo will be good

BTW, didnt the gints lose their D-coordinator too?

A healthy umenyiora will help, but they looked plain, well plain, late last year and now they’re annointed.

They’ll be good, but so will we.

by THEjarhead on May 6, 2009 7:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Oh yeah, I forgot Spagnola went to the Rams.

That’s why they had to load up on defensive talent in FA—to make up for the lack of creative playcalling.

Go Pacquiao!

by Aaron Novinger on May 6, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Orakpo might be good

but Vernon Gholston was supposed to be good too. That article was crap. They’re giving those teams way too much credit based on guys that havent played a down.

by fretman on May 6, 2009 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

+10000

"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards

by nicholas.rodriguez on May 6, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

+1

Semper Fi.

by UnNecessary Roughness on May 7, 2009 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Folk's injury

Is it possible Jerry and Co. drafted Buehler knowing Folk had an injury concern? And if so, does Jerry still look stupid for the pick?

Not that he looked stupid…I’m just sayin.’

by Johnny Cage on May 6, 2009 7:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Jerry looked stupid

He drafted kickers in back to back drafts – kickers!

by birdness on May 6, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

no

folks a two year vet. And considering how poor our kicking game was for about 5 – 7 years before folk came, i don’t think its THAT outrageous to want the best college kicker on your roster.

by foyesboys on May 6, 2009 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Competition is a beautiful thing

It will be very interesting to see if Folk’s kicks mysteriously start getting longer. I’ve cautioned people about being too critical of his KO’s because he’s money on FG’s but I also know when someone is on the roster who could replace you it’s motivating. I have to believe there’s a way he could gain a few extra yards on his KO’s if it became a survival thing. A stronger leg? Different technique? Whatever, take the time to do what is needed and improve. I love competition.

by StillHateTheGiants on May 7, 2009 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Until I am proven wrong

Yes, he was stupid for drafting a kicker in the 5th round. Folk is going to be fine by training camp.

by cow_fanatic on May 6, 2009 9:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

birdness

Folk was drafted in ’07

cow_fanatic,

No pick is stupid in the 5th. They’re all long shots.

by Rafael Vela on May 6, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

This argument has run it''s course

Noone was clammoring for another kicker before the draft because it wasn’t a need. We had two 6s and two 7s we could have used on a kciker or even move up in the 6th to get a kicker.

It was a pick of arrogance

by cow_fanatic on May 7, 2009 7:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

According to you

I don’t get the arrogance. You may not like it, but that doesn’t make it arrogant. I would argue that you declaring the argument has run it’s course is arrogant. Noone was clammoring? Oh really? Everyone has complained about Folk’s KO’s.

From everything we know, this guy is not just another kicker. It sounds to me there is a lot of potential to do things every other kicker in the league can’t do, that’s a gamble I would take.

by StillHateTheGiants on May 7, 2009 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I would argue

that declaring my opinion as arrogant flies in the face of what we’re doing here. Arrogance is taking a kicker in the 5th with 4 picks left in the 6th and 7th. Arrogance is justifying the pick by stating how this athletic kicker is going to revlutionize the kickoff specialst position. Arrogance is the Cowboys, in their infinite wisdom, having determined they know something about special teams that noone else knows because of the new wedge rule. I hope they’re right.

Where was your post before the draft that one of the extra 5th round picks should be used on a kickoff specailst? Better yet, show me where anyone discussed drafting a kicker with one of our 12 picks should even be considered. You’re just like most trying to justify a headscratcher after the fact because you have thought about it and now it makes sense. It may make more sense in the 6th or 7th but not the 5th. With all that said, I hope I am wrong.

AustonianAggie, I’m not smart enough to determine whether you agree or disagree, sorry

by cow_fanatic on May 7, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think I was pretty clear

What I thought was arrogant on your part was declaring the argument to be over, not that you had a different opinion.

by StillHateTheGiants on May 7, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

fair enough

What I meant is that regardless of the side you’re on, points have been made both ways. Beating a dead horse is what I meant, my bad

by cow_fanatic on May 7, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

should we sacrafice a lamb to wash away the crime of our hubris?

by AustonianAggie on May 7, 2009 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I would argue

AustonianAggie, I’m not smart enough to determine whether you agree or disagree, sorry

by cow_fanatic on May 7, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

When & how

did Folk get this injury? Makes you wonder if the Buehler pick had anything to do with this.

by tyler2 on May 6, 2009 9:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Orakapo sort of reminds me of

Vernon Gholston. And now that Haynesworth is paid will he play? We shall see.

by quincyyyyy on May 6, 2009 9:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Doesn't matter

Gurode owns his punk a$$.

by JimmyJohnson on May 6, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Amen

Epic Fail since 1985

by the red scare on May 7, 2009 1:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry for the late comment...

But Orakpo was WAY more than just a workout warrior.

People keep making the comparison because of his good combine, but the dude won alot of major defensive awards.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by AirforceBat on May 11, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I hope you're wrong

since he now plays for the Skins.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on May 11, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Me too.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by AirforceBat on May 12, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Goose is rationalizing

When you say the Giant’s rookies are going to help, that’s a pretty weak analysis. VETERENS win games, not rooks. It’s obvious Goose had an angle to support. NOBODY knows who’s going to win the NFC East, let alone go to the Super Bowl. The Cowboys have question marks. The Giants have question marks. The Eagles have question marks. The Redskins have question marks. What team doesn’t? And how do you pick one team with question marks over another? Eli never did anything until they got Burress. Not even then really. He didn’t start clicking until they got rid of Shockey. Well, we got rid of our Shockey. There’s a thousand factors to consider, and frankly, rookies having an impact isn’t very high up the list of probable factors. The safest argument is it’s going to be at least a three-horse race in the NFC East. As far as the Super Bowl goes, is there really a clear favorite?

Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein.

Joe ThEEsman

by SB Six on May 6, 2009 9:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Rookies can help when they are stars

Felix won 2 games for us. Jackson gave the Iggles a passing game.

by JimmyJohnson on May 6, 2009 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Gooselin also tends to pick a new superbowl match up every week

I can see why Goose wrote what he did. Dallas was injury ravaged, missed the playoffs, and fell apart down the stretch. If it’s December and Dallas is sitting pretty, Gooselin would pick Dallas

by AustonianAggie on May 7, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Those are exceptions, not the rule.

The Lion’s share of games are won by veterens, not rooks.

Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein.

Joe ThEEsman

by SB Six on May 6, 2009 10:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

The Lions don't win games

Sorry…..couldn’t pass that one up :)

by StillHateTheGiants on May 7, 2009 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

There are exceptions, not the rule.

How many games have the lions won? smile.

by rockytop on May 6, 2009 10:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Power rankings in May have the Eagles and Giants in the top 10

Awesome. Now their fans get to be all pumped up and arrogant…like we were last year. It feels great when the shoe is on the other foot. Let the mockery begin.

If they collapse like many teams hyped up this early tend to, I’m going to be the most obnoxious fan on the planet. It will be even sweeter if Dallas actually improves and finally gets over the playoff hump this year.

Epic Fail since 1985

by the red scare on May 7, 2009 1:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

10 TDs

that went to Owens last year will just be scored by other Cowboys this year. That simple.

Forget all the “scapegoat” nonsense. It’s numbers. When you calibrate your offense to feed one player first before you consider the rest of your weapons, you are going to have a lopsided result. The favored player will get most of the yards, catches, TDs, but the team will fizzle down the stretch because most of the players will be under-utilized.

This year’s offense will be focused first on moving the ball and scoring points, not padding the stats of an aging prima dona.

Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.

by OskieOskie on May 7, 2009 7:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

+1

Well put.

Hooah.

by .FRoST.USAF on May 7, 2009 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Excellent point

TO’s 10 TD’s distributed in 09

Felix +5
Austin +4
Williams +4
Bennett +4
Choice +2

Oops…i need to stop, that’s too many.

by StillHateTheGiants on May 7, 2009 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm sorry

but it’s not simply “numbers.” T.O. lead the entire NFL in TD catches over the last three years. He is a HOF wide receiver based strictly on his play on the field. This is despite the fact that Witten was really the top receiver for the Cowboys during T.O.s tenure with the team if # of catches is the measurement.

The fact is that when Owens caught the ball he had a better chance of scoring than any other player on the Cowboys, period. To try to rationalize and say that other players would be able to sccore the TDs that Owens scored simply because they get Owens’ “touches” is nonsense. Witten, who is the best TE in football, had more catches but had fewer TDs. But now Miles Austin, Crayton, etc. are going to do this? I seriously doubt it.

by jevans1729 on May 7, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Owens

is not the only guy who can catch a touchdown pass. The problem was the passing offense was geared toward throwing to him. With Owens gone, the plan will be to throw to those other guys. Not that complicated.

Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.

by OskieOskie on May 7, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No one

said Owens was the only guy who could catch a TD pass. He was just the best guy in the NFL over the last three years at doing it. To say that Crayton, Austin, Bennett etc. can do the same thing makes no sense because they have never done it.

You cannot cut the guy who leads the entire league in TD receptions for the last three years and say you expect the same results with different players. Sorry, it just doesn’t work that way. You can “plan to throw to those other guys” all you want and the best you can get out of that is hope. Hope is not a plan and that is what’s not complicated.

by jevans1729 on May 8, 2009 8:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I like our chances

with the receivers we have going into the season, particularly since our running game is going to be setting up the passing.

As for how it works, you don’t know any better than anyone else how it is going to work. We are going to see. As I said, I like our chances.

Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.

by OskieOskie on May 8, 2009 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You are

surely entitled to your opinion. All I was questioning was your initial statement in your first post of “The 10 TDs scored by Owens last year will just be scored by other Cowboys this year. That simple.” You are right, I am not clarivoyant. However, your initial statement seemd to have some amount of clarivoyance to it which is why I questioned it.

I do not KNOW how it is going to work nor did I say that I did. All I am saying is that the Cowboy offense is not going to have the same big play capability it had with Owens on the team. Owens’ track record reflects his playmaking ability. The other players expected to fill the gaps at wr, have not proven they will provide that same big play capability regardless of how many touches they get. However, as a fan, I hope you’re right. We shall see.

by jevans1729 on May 8, 2009 12:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

thats not true

Felix the Cat has just as much big play ability as T.O., the only difference is that he’ll do it as a back, not as a WR.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on May 9, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Terry,

You said that as a joke right? I like Felix Jones a lot but I mean he is not even the starting/featured running back on the team. The guy has only played six games for heavens sake and one of those games he didn’t get to touch the ball! And this is the guy with as much play making ability as Owens??!! Owens is a first ballot HOF receiver. You guys can hate the guy all you want but there is no denying his production. Let Felix do something for a while before annointing the guy.

by jevans1729 on May 9, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs