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To a fictitious Mr. Cowboy, alias Talon (Eagle's fan)

                                      

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 Mr. Cowboy, alias Talon (Eagle's fan)


By CCBoy
CP Staff Writer/Analyst/Satirist


No...you still have tail feathers stuck where they don't belong and still insist on strutting like a peafowl.....nope, that's not an eagle either. You are so quick to attach the premise of your meanderings to an insultive term of endearment that is thundering logic only unto yourself. Nope, that's still a little canary in his cage trying to project, using a light and shadow effect to being something he is not....an authority of his own team, much less knowledgeable about the Cowboys. Throw any real backup quarterback at the wheel of last year's Cowboy team-when Romo was out, and it would have been Dallas rolling into the playoffs and not even a Kleenex tissue available for your dearly beloved Eagles....Not a single stat needed to be added to this statement, as it was the TRUTH and not your tuned up perspective attempting to present a resemblance of fact. Call your whole season's worth in the last game of the season...as that is always your sign of achievement, one example of Dallas failure. You seem to forget the first game went to the Cowboys, before injuries decimated and changed how the team played.

You now will attempt to run to the front of the line yet again, oh MR. COWBOY...who couldn't own up to not being on this Cowboy site, and try your echo routine to try make everyone here believe your patented routine of Cowboy disarray and Philadelphia Championships yet again. For the record, since your song and dance has NOT changed over five years...just when is your Championship team going to materialize? You have lived in la la land and even jumped off the wagon and predicted that McNabb was in a death knell and that Reid would be packing bags as well.....and you try and throw a term of ignorance around with the use of 'STAT MAN' as you attempt to use that as a medal of honor...well, mr. HIDE BEHIND a Cowboy name, and discuss as a COWBOY fan, and then attempt to look all pompous and condescending....allow me to put your label for all to see...CHUMP.

If you think your linebacking crew is top shelf and above that of Dallas, then you have sealed the coffin of your time machine that never gets off the ground. First, Dallas had the best defensive player in the NFL, even considering your departed All Pro Safety. No, you didn't come close to replacing him...here, you should just stick to the facts...or invent a stat that covers YOUR protruding posterior. DeMarcus Ware IS the top linebacker of BOTH teams. Then Dallas has another who should have been All Pro, in Bradie James. By all accounts he was a top notched linebacker. Then Dallas only acquired a perenial All Pro, not in MR. COWBOY's toy locker of titles, but over an extended period of time. He is ONLY 33, so do break your neck in trying to associate him to a convenient label of OVER THE HILL. Ray Lewis still is able to get out of bed, past that age, and New England played half of their linebacker total group at much higher ages than that. Brooking is a very good weak side linebacker in the interior. That only leaves the strong side outside linebacker position, and it is still occupied by Greg Ellis and Anthony Spencer. Both are quality players, even if you didn't get the association correctly. Ellis is just a year removed from 10 sacks and had 8 sacks in a reduced role last season. Spencer did well in his first and second down role, and should be even more of a force this year.

Don't give up the ship yet, MR. COWBOY, and if you are going to toss around terms NOW, that you are out of the CLOSET, and now acting your own version of the barnyard thingy, let's try on for your amusements, Dear Queer, for your impersonation of the Humpback Cowboy. But not to leave a discussion, since you can't tell the difference in comparison, and a tart's name calling and blind attempt at a diversionary insult of 'stat man'. See, if you listen, then you are able to tell the difference in presenting the facts and not your continually vein efforts of Captain Cool Aide presentations of 'Eagle dominance'. You are already soaring in your dreams at about 10,000 feet, but don't yet know how to fly. But to land your Charlie Brown sopwith camel, the Cowboys drafted FOUR linebackers this draft. Didn't really grasp that did you? Two very talented outside linebackers, and TWO inside linebackers that are very good at defensing the pass and have above average ability to both, hit and to run very quickly. The team is building the backup strength at this position. Then there is still Bobby Carpenter, who should be the package linebacker and backup to Bradie James. Why don't you give us all your best rendition of how old Greg is, how lame Spencer looks, and how stuipd all the 'rooks' and Carpenter are for consideration, MR. COWBOY....

The Eagles hit on Jackson last season, as he had 900 yards, and he is ONLY the THIRD rookie in the past ten years to do that. But, you fully expect a second such drafted rookie to do this THIS year....TWO in a row, but you are MR. COWBOY, alias Eagle fan....

You cheaply ask why didn't Romo grab the bull by the horns and quit if he didn't win it all this year....just the kind of garbage thrown out by a gutless Philadelphia fan. Yea, you were complimenting the Cowboys allright...first, Romo is STILL a YOUNG player, and you inferred that the Cowboys are an 'old' team.... first account, you are the hypocrite, second account, you lied about the composition of the average age and youthfullness on the Cowboys. You implied that the Eagles have a young team, but the Cowboys ARE YOUNGER. What, you held your fat hands on the scales for yet another weighing of facts? Yea, go figure the depths you travel as a Cowboy/Eagle's fan....neat trick you Wiley Coyote.....

I think this will be a very good year for the entire NFC East, and all teams as last year, will probably NOT have a losing record...but that is a real STAT, and not just a usual tossing of insults by yourself.

The tragedy at the inside facility was presented as a Cowboy fan...and don't even attempt to present a white flag of truce after having misrepresented those associations with a real tragedy, and then claim ANY kind of high ground as a Philadelphia fan resuming his usual trashing and one dimensional insults. You are the SAME Green Manure clan that loved it when Michael Irvin ended his career on the turf in Philadelphia. You won't be sainted by this soldier's actions...as if you gave a wet willie concerning it.

Just to show you the real folly of your associations, MR. COWBOY, read and attempt to UNDERSTAND the following set of STATS:

"ADVOCATE BlogWrite Post
Originally posted by Americas' Team… from a sports forum:

Tony Romo Compared to 8 Greats After 39 Starts in Career
02:08 PM ET 04.29

I compiled these stats for each quarterback at www.pro-football-reference.com . These stats are each players' stats after 39 starts. Since Romo has 39 career starts, thats my comparison number of games. After looking at these numbers, we know Romo is more then capable of greatness. For the exception of Marino, Romo pretty much has stats that were actually better then the others. His future looks very bright.

Attempts Comp. Yds. Pct. TDs. INTs.

MARINO 1,370 839 11,103 61.2 95 42

ROMO 1,280 815 10,300 63.6 78 43

MONTANA 1,318 841 9,623 63.8 64 36

P. MANNING 1,355 818 10.024 60.0 67 50

FAVRE 1,341 833 8.113 62.1 52 45

S. YOUNG 1,072 672 8,412 62.6 51 35

AIKMAN 1,086 636 7,290 58.5 32 48

STAUBACH 912 528 7,395 57.8 49 42

BRADSHAW 969 469 6.098 48.4 36 63

Just looking at the stats, you see that some players got off to slow starts. Bradshaw was a big game player like no other but his regular season numbers weren't great. His numbers picked up when Swann and Stallworth got drafted before the 74 season. Romo is 2nd in completion pct. He had more yards passing then everyone except Marino and is only 2nd to Marino in touchdown passes. Amazingly Romo had only 1 more INT then Marino did. He had 7 less INTs then Manning did. I believe all Jones has to do is put the players around Romo. Hey! look at the numbers guys! Romo will start winning the big games very soon. The future of the Cowboys could be very bright. Gotta love the numbers !!!!"

 

Now, let's compare that SELECT group to McNabb's numbers...ooops, he DIDN'T make the group.

You lose three starters on your offensive line and automatically assume you are off to the starting lineup for next year's Pro Bowl. Didn't you learn ANYTHING masquerading as a MR. COWBOY? Apparently you weren't nearly the wolf in sheep's clothing that you thought you were...nor did that suddenly make you a chip off the old block either.

Maybe we should mention the Cowboy's improvement in the secondary also...as you just assumed your EAGLE secondary. MR. COWBOY, the Cowboy's secondary is top notched as well. Dallas has Hamlin back. Dallas has Terrence Newman back. The Cowboys signed Sensabaugh. Then it has both Scandrick and Jenkins back at corners. That is a five player group that can now cover as well as any secondary in the NFL. To this group was added a cornerback, and two safeties in the draft. You were talking about youth on the team, weren't you? The Cowboys only added the best tandum cornerbacks in all of the collegiate arena with it's selection of the two cornerbacks for Cincinnati. They led the whole Nation in interceptions last year....and they can just develop up to speed at their own rate now. No, the truth of the matter is that this Cowboy team is in the process of churning over and going STRICTLY youth in the bottom 1/3rd of it's roster. You said that this team was 'OLD'....maybe, just maybe, you should remain MR. COWBOY, for when you go into the phone booth to change, you only come out the 'old' TALON, who was nothing more than a continual onslaught of insult, demeaning Cowboy insults, and an eyesore in personal slander and insult. Hey, there are plenty of phonebooths around, knock yourself out....as to content, you didn't anchor your floating boat on anything that holds up yet, but will play around with childish insults and demeaning associations until the cow comes home to eat. But for the record here, you still got that lead Cow's Bell around YOUR neck. We all hear you coming....



*(if you are having trouble following this, it was done tongue and cheek as something of ironic humor. Realistic insults and name tossing is being referenced to develop particular topic areas that could be discussed to point out many strengths that could and should be part of a developing picture of this year's Dallas Cowboys.

As the concluding statement implies, this year's Eagles just as last year's Giants, aren't going to be able to sneak up on a single team that it plays this year. This is a completely different start point for our Cowboys.) 

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English must not be your first language.

Squish.

by Squishmytomato on May 8, 2009 5:36 AM CDT reply actions  

If all you got from that...

whole irony of being a fan, was a question concerning the use of English…then move along and discuss something other than credability in being a Cowboy fan right now, without proving their metal further. Sorry Charlie, I’d rather tuna that tastes good, than your own version of good taste.

There is no right way to do the wrong thing. GO COWBOYS!!

by CCBoy on May 8, 2009 6:07 AM CDT reply actions  

The Other Side...

Look, I’m contractually obligated to defend any Eagle-bashing post, so before you all start in with the “Why are you on a Cowboys thread” comments, please note that the great name of Donovan McNabb was besmirched…

OK first of all, Romo sat and watched the first 3-4 years of his career and had the luxury of easing into action like an old man eases into a hot bath, so to compare his first 3 years to guys that took to the field when they were 23-24 years old like the Montanas, Marinos, McNabbs, and Aikmans of the world… is absolutely ludicrous.

Romo is 29 years old. Let’s get one thing straight… The “future” (whatever that means) is now. Hell, the “future” was last year. If you compiled a list of those same QB’s and noted how many playoff games each of them had won by their 29th birthday and compared it to Romo, he wouldn’t belong on the same page, much less the same paragraph.

And finally, to compare Romo is McNabb is just stupid. McNabb has led his team to 5 of the past 8 NFC Championship games, went to a Super Bowl, and has the 2nd lowest interception % per 100 passes in the entire history of the NFL. Teams that go to 5 out of 8 conference championship games don’t get there without an elite QB. They just don’t. Has he won the big one yet? Nope, he sure hasn’t, and I’ll grant you that is definitely a frustrating thing… But to compare a guy like Tony Romo who has a grand total of ZERO playoff wins in his career… Again, well, it’s just beyond stupid.

by JimmyK on May 8, 2009 8:51 AM CDT reply actions  

Have a problem with cow bells do you?

As to foolishness, you proved out the post perfectly….Romo already compares to the very best quarterbacks that Dallas has trotted onto the carpet, and that includes the like of Roger Staubach and Troy Aikman…who, incidentally, WON a Super Bowl. You meet the criteria of obligation perfectly, and prove why Cow Bells are issued upon entrance to the doors for chatting, for all Eagle fans on a Cowboy site. Win a Super Bowl BEFORE you start to measure and demean as to stature. The Cowboys still have five Lombardis and the Eagles have…well, just like their quarterback, never quite makes it to the prom. Wonder why their fans can’t grasp real relationships either? I think the article’s reference was CHUMP…but who’s counting stats?

There is no right way to do the wrong thing. GO COWBOYS!!

by CCBoy on May 8, 2009 9:27 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

+1,000,000

I’m sick to no end of condescending smirks from Non-Cowboy fans, especially when they puke out this little gem, “13 years and no play-offs wins”. When you ask them who has the most play-off wins all-time, then it’s about All-Time Championshsips (to dilute our 5 Super Bowl Championships). Then when you exclude Championships from non-play-off years, it goes back to Super Bowls…then they holler “You’re using 5 Super Bowls as a crutch”. Haters hate, that’s what they do, they can’t simple give the Cowboys credit for having ever done anything right.

by SmittyCityMo on May 8, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do you also get mad when people remind you that the North won?

by JimmyK on May 8, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

did eagles win more than 9 games last year????

the way some of these bird fans they won like 12 plus games…If dallas did not get killed by losing felix jones …marion barber…our starting lg kosier…romo for 3 games…newman…etc dallas would have locked in a playoff spot and the birds would have been locked out no matter what happened in week17…..getting mcalin who i think is overated comming out of mizz where route running is not even in the dictionary will not make much of a impact if any this season…They talk like this kid has already done something lol.. Maclin is a great athlete but a top rated nfl wr..i do not think so…A big physical wr with speed would scare me alot more than a smallish wr who will have problems getting off the jam…

by scandrick32 on May 8, 2009 2:02 PM CDT reply actions  

did eagles win more than 9 games last year????

Yup, we won 11.

by JimmyK on May 8, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good post

Pretty entertaining with some good facts mixed in as well.

Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.

by APerfectStar on May 8, 2009 5:10 PM CDT reply actions  

I love how Cowboy fans and Eagle fans attack each other.

It’s amusing.

My take:

1. Andy Reid is a better HC than Wade Phillips.

2. McNabb is an excellent QB.

3. Reid, McNabb and company struggle in the big games. Just like Indy and Peyton Manning (save for their one SB victory).

4. Tony Romo is a wonderful QB. I love watching Romo play the game. I think he’ll be even better now that TO is gone. I do think he needs to ‘step it up a little’ in the leadership department and minimize some of his giveaways.. Tony’s biggest problem is that he plays in the towering shadow of Roger and Troy. McNabb only has Ron Jaworski looking over his shoulders. Big, big difference.

5. Dallas has bragging rights, based on their five Lombardi Trophies. Case closed.

by GeoMak on May 8, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

co-sign

Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
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by silverblue5 on May 8, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can’t stand the eagle’s but have to give credit where credit is due. Dawk takes you guy’s to school

by 69 on May 8, 2009 5:39 PM CDT reply actions  

So you are calling him a bus driver?

That’s insulting…to bus drivers everywhere.

Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.

by APerfectStar on May 10, 2009 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

eagles fan

hey mr.smartas$, when someone says no one won that war(civil), he means that both sides suffered such losses that how could anyone say the north won. yes they won but at what price to us all. and we’re idiots? and get taken to school? i think not. what did mcnabb do when he got to the superbowl-while driving for potential game-winning td he’s so out of shape he wastes lots of valuable time puking and trying to get to line of scrimmage where the offensive line was waiting for him. and didn’t he get benched last year. all right then!!

by maxdout on May 8, 2009 6:12 PM CDT reply actions  

when someone says no one won that war(civil), he means that both sides suffered such losses that how could anyone say the north won. yes they won but at what price to us all. and we’re idiots?

Too soon to joke about the Civil War?

and get taken to school? i think not.

The wasn’t my comment, but thanks, 69 (tip of the cap)

what did mcnabb do when he got to the superbowl-while driving for potential game-winning td he’s so out of shape he wastes lots of valuable time puking and trying to get to line of scrimmage where the offensive line was waiting for him

He also threw an absolutely gorgeous pass down the seam to a shrimpy little crap receiver in between 2 safeties for a TD on that drive. Not to mention, to get to that Super Bowl, he actually won a few playoff games (a foreign concept to Mr. Romo)

and didn’t he get benched last year.

He sure did. And he didn’t agree with it (although he didn’t bitch about it either), and played great the rest of the season.

all right then!!

My thoughts exactly.

by JimmyK on May 8, 2009 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

eagles fan

for oone thing, you didn’t sound as though you were joking. oh ok so that was some other out of shape eagles qb in the superbowl huffing and puffing and puking on that last drive in the superbowl. and no he didn’t throw a td pass on that drive.

by maxdout on May 8, 2009 7:13 PM CDT reply actions  

OK, he puked. I get it. He’s an out of shape, fat loser. OK? So we can finally agree.

But with that said…

He could pull down his pants and take a shit on the 50 yard line in the Super Bowl and he will have accomplished more in his career than Romo.

He could stick a kicking tee up his ass during the national anthem and dry hump the old guy that holds the first down marker… and he will have accomplished more in his career than Romo.

He could climb up the goalpost and try to fit an entire end zone pilon in his mouth while jerking off… and he will have accomplished more in his career than Romo.

He could rub pudding pops on his nipples and try to lick his own balls during a press conference… and he will have accomplished more in his career than Romo.

Need I continue?

by JimmyK on May 8, 2009 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

but

he’s also further along in his career than romo. i’m not saying mcnabb isn’t good, he is very good. i was just standing up for my boys as were you. nothing personal. :)

by maxdout on May 8, 2009 8:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Romo & McNabb

McNabb was the second overall pick of the first round. Romo was undrafted. Big difference.
McNabb has been in the same system with the same coaching staff. Romo has been in two.
Both have had to deal with TO.

As far as the playoffs are concerned Romo has only played three seasons, two playoff games.

1. 2006. Lost on a fluke, botched snap. By all rights, once he became the starter, Romo should have been replaced as the holder.

2. 2007. Cowboys were overconfident going into that game. They took the Giants lightly and paid for it.
Total team loss.

by GeoMak on May 8, 2009 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

agree

i definitely agree with you on all points.

by maxdout on May 8, 2009 11:03 PM CDT reply actions  

One thing I hate

is overconfidence in the playoffs. I think it’s stupid. On the America’s Game episode of the 2007 SB winning Giants, Coughlin relayed a story about getting wind of Jerry Jones leaving NFC Championship tickets in his players lockers, as if to say ‘beating the Giants is simply a formality.’ That’s stupid. And Coughlin let the team know it.

The Giants were PO’d and the Cowboys were overconfident. That’s a bad combination, IMO.
That never would have happened on Jimmy Johnson’s watch.

I’m a lifelong Cubs fan. After the Dodgers swept (killed) the Cubs in the playoffs last year, two Cubs (Soriano and DeRosa) made comments on Cubs.com that alluded to the Cubs being overconfident against the Dodgers. STUPID.

Actually, the 2008 Dodgers were two teams: Before Manny and after Manny.
After they acquired Manny, the Dodger stats were similar to, and in some ways better than the Cubs stats. The Cubs had NO reason to feel overconfident, but they (stupidly) were.

Living in Phoenix, I saw up close and personal how disrespected the Cardinals felt going into the playoffs last year and how they used that as motivation during the playoffs. Players talked about it constantly. It sounds corny, but I actually think that that helped them a lot during the playoffs.

To me, a team should feel confident going into the playoffs, but not overconfident. There’s a big difference there, to me.

I just think being overconfident in a short playoff series is STUPID (and often deadly).

by GeoMak on May 9, 2009 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Boring.

No care ever

Epic Fail since 1985

by the red scare on May 9, 2009 2:58 AM CDT reply actions  

There are remarkable comparisons between Tony Romo and Roger Staubach...

both were close to the same age when they started for the Dallas Cowboys. At the 38 game mark, their passing records are almost the very same degree of quality as to passes, passes completed, yardage, completion percentage, and TD’s to interceiptions. As to playoff wins, they were both at about the same point at this place in Tony’s career. That is high cotton there, folks.

There is no right way to do the wrong thing. GO COWBOYS!!

by CCBoy on May 9, 2009 5:49 PM CDT reply actions  

+1

they also both have “magic” in their play, fans know we’re never out of it when those two are under center

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on May 10, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Eagles fans masquerading as Cowboy fans?

That would be like me wearing a Eagles jersey. Even in private where no one could see me I’d feel sick and shameful. I think a simple post calling the guy out would have sufficed. And all this arguing with Eagles fans is pretty pointless. Do it if you need to get it out of your system, but you do realize you’re ramming your head against a brick wall, right? Keep it to simple smack talk and avoid debates. They aren’t winnable for either side, regardless of stats.

by sublimezg on May 10, 2009 9:46 AM CDT reply actions  

I was just thinking since were in a era were your based on how many superbowls youve one...

That the eagles should just sit in a corner of the room with there heads down till they can win something…..

by regaberto on May 10, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

As for Eagle Ghosts of seasons past...

just let Dallas win both the early season games against the Giants and then Philadelphia- and the Cowboys are off and running…BABY!

There is no right way to do the wrong thing. GO COWBOYS!!

by CCBoy on May 11, 2009 12:37 AM CDT reply actions  

Now, to just expand an Eagles/Dallas talk...

The Cowboys, first, have a better set of linebackers that are the backbone of any defense. Defensive lines and secondary are contributors, but to my view the linebackers are the glue that either cements those two aspects. The linebackers either are a focal point, a unifying point, or that which breaks apart those aspects.

Both teams had top ten defenses last year. So the extremes involved in a current evaluation would not be that far apart on the start of yet another year….but starting with the linebackers, here’s Dallas. Prove the Eagle linebackers better.

Dallas had the very top defensive player in the NFC in it’s linebacker group-DeMarcus Ware. He is still developing his skills is better able to respond to a multitde of reads and techniques for attacking run, pass rush, and even coverage of receivers where he was called upon much too much last season in a coverage role.

Next comes the Cowboy strong side middle linebacker, Bradie James. By most accounts he was on a level of play that approached the top levels in the league. He has reached that part of his career, that he is a viable leader, along with Ware, and they should start forging their own niches upon the rest of the NFC, to include those very same New York Giants and Philadelphia Eagles. That high level of play is half of the picture here.

Add to this, on the opposite side of the defense, are a combination of Greg Ellis and Anthony Spencer. Both are former first round picks, with Greg coming of successively strong seasons of 10 and 8 sacks. This last season saw him at a reduced time on field, but still retaining a high sack level. He could very well reach yet another 10 sack level with more energy while he is actually on the field in more passing play situations. Spencer is starting to come into this own, and is at the point in his career that he should start an upward swing similar to that of Bradie James. That side of the field should be problem that opponents have to deal with more than just putting a blocker on.

Now, add to this picture a proven veteran in Keith Brooking. I’m sorry, but I’m not buying the woeful tales of him being so far down stream that he is barely recognizeable. Ray Lewis, and half of the former New England Patriots were well beyond his 33 age point now, so I am skeptible that he is on a wisp and prayer in the Dallas defense. He brings a very proven veteran edge to this group of linebackers.

This now is a very formidable and increasingly integrated group. Although there was the last game feasco in Philadelphia, it doesn’t negate the very real metal in this now increasingly dominant group. That is a group of five starters at an already high level of effectiveness. They led the NFL in sacks because of a very demonstratable reason, they were good at getting to the quarterback and pressuring him as well.

Now, the backups were worked upon in a Wade Phillips’ manner. The first in consideration of backups and package players is Bobby Carpenter. Nail him on a cross as you have to, but don’t start to call him Barabas instead. He is a first round talent, and still has the real potential to come alive at some point this upcoming season. He is a hard worker in practice and that determination has paid of to many other similarly talented linebackers who kept their noses to the grind. He is very mobile in a lateral manner, and this is a binding element when applied to a Wade Phillips attacking style of defense. Wade is just now getting the full arsenal of parts to work his style of multiple front defenses. Look at where San Diego is sliding to while Wade is no longer there.

In this draft, Wade accumulated no less than two outside linebacker transitions and two inside linebackers to boot. The two inside linebackers are defineable hitters, who have good sets of wheels as well. They should quickly adapt to package requirements and even Jason Williams might push Brooking for time with the starting unit. Williams and Carpenter add stability in depth from the start of camp. On the outside, the two ‘rooks’ are pass rushing specialists and have much growing, but they can at least contribute as pass rushers as they both accumulated high collegiate totals of sacks this past year. They can blow a few plays off the table loads on both sides of the outside. They now add to an overall picture at linebacker.

No, there is more metal to a positive stance than a mere hollow sounding optimism…now prove the meat of a defense on the Philadelphia or even Giant level is stronger for starters.

There is no right way to do the wrong thing. GO COWBOYS!!

by CCBoy on May 11, 2009 4:23 AM CDT reply actions  

Disagree

I think the d-line is the be-all and end-all of defenses.

Great defensive line play can make up for poor secondary coverage and allow linebackers to run to the ball and make plays. LB’s become emphasized more when the defensive line underperforms.

Dallas is not a team with a good front 3 (yet) and they need to get more, and more consistent, push in the middle. I would especially see like to see the DE’s start to win their one-on-one battles.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on May 11, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree for 4-3 defenses

however, in 3-4 defenses, LBs are the heart and soul of that defense, they are the players that are supposed to apply the pressure.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on May 11, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I look at New England as evidence to the contrary

Warren, Wilfork and Seymour lead the defense. They are the mainstays.

Every year, they seem to run DB’s and LB’s in and out of there like it’s a merry-go-round. Yet, they never seem to have to precipitous a drop in performance. Seau, Bruschi, Vrabel out. Mayo, Colvin and whoever in.

I’m not diminishing the LB’s value in a 3-4, where it is even more pronounced than a 4-3, but no group of LB’s, no matter how talented, can overcome a D-line that gets manhandled by the opponent.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on May 11, 2009 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pats actually support my argument

With the exception of Seymour, who is simply a freakish talent, the Pats DL don’t apply pressure. Warren and Wilfork are stay at home, stop the run type of players.

Seau, Bruschi, Vrabel, Mayo and Colvin were actually the playmakers on the defense other than Seymour.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on May 12, 2009 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Be all and end all...

So, as such, you will have to say then, that the defensive line in the Raven defense, as well as the defensive line in the Pittsburgh defense, and the defensive line in the Philadelphia, and the defensive line in the Washington defenses last year were the most prominent aspects of good defenses….no, I think your case just lost it’s merit. Now, with the Dallas, you were also wrong about the defensive line being no good also. Both Spears and Canty were solid all season, and Jay Ratliff was an All Pro…yet you call it not good. They ONLY held things together for the outside linebackers, what a concept here, push totals to a league leading total. Not good, but they contributed well against both defenses used, run and pass attack. Maybe the strength of that conviction doesn’t hold as much water as was deemed the case here. Or, one’s appraisal of the effectiveness wasn’t on target as well.

There is no right way to do the wrong thing. GO COWBOYS!!

by CCBoy on May 12, 2009 1:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nope, that's wrong

The d-line for Dallas was sub-par. Casey Hampton is a much better NT than Ratliff…as is Wilfork as is Ngata.

Great defenses are led by great fronts. Ours wasn’t great.

Bottom half of the league in points allowed means more than some silly yardage totals. Sacks don’t mean anything if you give up a 30 yard bomb on the following play.

Sorry.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on May 15, 2009 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh man... I can't pick this apart fast enough...
The Cowboys, first, have a better set of linebackers that are the backbone of any defense. Defensive lines and secondary are contributors, but to my view the linebackers are the glue that either cements those two aspects.

The D-Line is BY FAR and away the most important part of the defense – no debate.

Both teams had top ten defenses last year.

Nope. Dallas’ D was 8th in the NFL in yards, and 20th in points allowed. Philly’s was 3rd in yards, and 4th in points. Don’t give me that “Both temas had top 10 defenses” nonsense. That’s like saying “Lebron James and Hedo Turkoglu are both top 10 small forwards.”

Next comes the Cowboy strong side middle linebacker, Bradie James. By most accounts he was on a level of play that approached the top levels in the league.

HAHAHAHAHHAHA!!! Really?

Add to this, on the opposite side of the defense, are a combination of Greg Ellis and Anthony Spencer. Both are former first round picks, with Greg coming of successively strong seasons of 10 and 8 sacks.

Greg Ellis is useless if it isn’t 3rd and 12.

Spencer is starting to come into this own

If 34 tackles and 1.5 sacks… “Starting to come into his own?” Not so much. And I don’t even want to get into a debate about whose linebackers are better, because what the Cowboys do on defense with their backers is COMPLETELY different to what the Eagles do… So it’s like comparing apples to oranges. But with that caveat, since we’re talking about Spencer… I love that Dallas traded up with the Eagles to take Spencer and one of the picks we got in return was used to select Stewart Bradley, who is an absolute budding star.

Now, add to this picture a proven veteran in Keith Brooking. I’m sorry, but I’m not buying the woeful tales of him being so far down stream that he is barely recognizeable.

I am. Actually, what’s funny about Brooking is what could possibly be going through Jerry Jones’ head? “Hmmm, we brought in an old, aging, really slow linebacker last year, and that didn’t work. But this year it will!”

skeptible

I never advocate picking apart grammar/spelling, but that one couldn’t be ignored. Sorry.

The first in consideration of backups and package players is Bobby Carpenter. Nail him on a cross as you have to, but don’t start to call him Barabas instead. He is a first round talent, and still has the real potential to come alive at some point this upcoming season.

Gotta love the phrase “first round talent.” You know what $1.50 and “first round talent” will get you? A ride on the subway. I ask this in all seriousness… Does Carpenter MAKE THE TEAM this year?

- 2006 – 19 tackles, 1.5 sacks.
- 2007 – 18 tackles, 0 sacks.
- 2008 – 13 tackles, 0 sacks.
- Career – 42 games, 50 tackles, 1.5 sacks, 1 trip to Cabo.

Seriously… How is he still on the team? You know who else had “first round talent?” Freddy Mitchell.

In this draft, Wade accumulated no less than two outside linebacker transitions and two inside linebackers to boot.

With all these awesome linebackers you’re telling us about, how are all these guys going to make the team?

now prove the meat of a defense on the Philadelphia or even Giant level is stronger for starters.

Well, I’m not in the business of talking up the Giants, but they have a pretty nasty defense, and it’s not so crazy to say that their D-Line has the potential to be one the best D-Line units EVER. And Philly… Well, all Philly did was return 10 of 11 starters on a defense with and average age less than 27 years old… that oh by the way was 3rd in the league in yardage last year, and oh by the way 4th in points allowed, and oh by the way, has an INSANE amount of depth (especially in the secondary and along the D-Line). Yeah, we’ll be just fine.

by JimmyK on May 11, 2009 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sceptical....

I had to laugh concerning that spelling, myself…obviously not thinking about that spelling, but the meaning stood…

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by CCBoy on May 12, 2009 1:18 AM CDT reply actions  

Freddie Mitchell...

who just came out with a video of sorts and has been gone since, what 2004? A really strong and persuasive tool there…

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by CCBoy on May 12, 2009 3:18 AM CDT reply actions  

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