Michael Irvin's 4th and Long
After watching Michael Irvin's 4th and Long on Spike for three weeks, I've reached a few conclusions.
1. They should be applauded for taking it seriously. They've done just about everything they can to make it a serious football tryout. They have the stadium, the coaches with experience and they spend most of the time concentrating on nothing but football. The production team has managed to stay away from too much of the frivolous stuff and allowed Irvin, Bill Bates and Joe Avezzano to give it an air of legitimacy. The reality show/soap opera format has been largely avoided.
2. Michael Irvin's charisma and attitude really drives the show. Somehow, I get the feeling that Irvin cares about this more than the kids trying out do. Whenever Irvin pulls one of the kids aside and gives them a speech about heart, finishing, and winning the fourth quarter - I want to get up and run through the wall. Irvin is like the Godfather as he sits back in the War Room and decides the fate of the players with his capos Bates and Avezzano. He even manages to throw a bone to his old buddy Nate Newton. But when Irvin sits down with Jerry Jones, we see who the true Godfather is.
3. It's really hard to tell if these guys got any real talent. Irvin, Bates and Avezzano know, they get to watch all the drills and all the practices. We get 25 minutes or so of actual football plays/drills a week. That's a lot of stuff we miss out on. I imagine through the magic of editing they're building up drama about who stays and who goes, but somehow I don't think it's that dramatic. Especially in the beginning. The truth is only two or three of these guys could even be competitive at a training camp. These initial weeks are just delaying the inevitable competition between a few guys at the end.
4. I don't think this matters a lick; it's just a fantasy camp. The chance that Irvin actually "brings a ballplayer" to Jerry Jones, as commanded, is very slim. Sure, there's always the off-chance they catch lightning in a bottle and the kid will really be able to make a play for the roster (or even the practice squad), but in reality, it won't happen. So far, there hasn't been a defensive back on the field that looks ready to compete in San Antonio. On offense, Andrew Hawkins has some quicks and has shown he can run with the ball some after fielding a punt. Truly, that's the only way I can see a WR competing in San Antonio. Jesse Holley has also looked pretty good. But the top four receivers on the Cowboys are set. Roy Williams, Miles Austin, Patrick Crayton and Sam Hurd are not going to get beat out by anybody on the show. Isaiah Stanback's position is still a little shaky on this roster and his recent injury isn't helping his cause, but he's still more likely than not to make the roster. After that, draft pick Manuel Johnson is waiting to prove what he can do. Even further down, you got Mike Jefferson who was recently re-signed and UDFA's like Kevin Ogletree and Julian Hawkins. You better be something special returning kicks to beat out all those other guys as a receiver.
In the end, though, it is entertaining to watch. I find myself enjoying the show and thinking about training camp and the start of the 2009 season. It has enough Cowboys flavor to make it worth consuming each week. The production is well-done and the guys are giving it every effort. But I just don't see it meaning much come regular season.
Now, about Pacman Jones' performance on Pros vs. Joes...hmm, maybe not.
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FIRST!
Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
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by silverblue5 on Jun 1, 2009 11:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Please do me a favor, Grizz...
Can you crop the king’s mug out…
And ZOOM in on da hotties with da thingies — heh, heh!!!!!!!
To quote ZZ Top, “I ain’t askin’ for much.”
Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
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by silverblue5 on Jun 1, 2009 11:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
There's a joke in there somewhere...
If the grils were sitting on Jerrah’s shoulders you could use the old line “Look at the Dolls on that Boob!”
Garrett needs to get a clue!
by BulletBob on Jun 2, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!
Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/
by silverblue5 on Jun 2, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Andrew Hawkins really impresses me.
I could see him miraculously making the 53-man roster. He doesn’t just look like a receiver or punt returner to me. As Jerry put it, he looks like a “ball player”.
by jsams on Jun 1, 2009 11:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He seems sharp, too--focused.
The other guys complain and huff & puff, and he’s back there breaking up fights. I haven’t heard him say anything that resembles reality-show-trash-talking either, like some of the other Big Brother contestants.
Is it too early to ask what round I should aim for Felix in my fantasy football league?
by Aaron Novinger on Jun 1, 2009 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
First of all, I like Big Brother :)
But yeah, I was just going to say — in this no-nonsense off-season for the Cowboys (No more Pac, Tank, TO, etc.), Holley has a little too much show boating and trash talking in him for a potential 80th man. Hawkins looks like he’s there to work and make the 53-man roster.
by jsams on Jun 1, 2009 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
4. Hawkins & Holley
Those guys are already showing how ahead they are from the rest of the pack. Really, I think the Cowboys would be more comfortable developing a wideout off this show, rather than a DB. C’mon, would anybody trust any of those guys to defend pro-level receivers?
Of the 2 “H” guys, I’m going Hawkins. I think he not only has enough quickness, he’s young at 22 and fits two areas on this team that noone on the current roster has a hold of: Punt Returner and the Wes Welker-type WR. We have all these big dudes at the split end position; why not shake it up with a little Dante Hall?
Is it too early to ask what round I should aim for Felix in my fantasy football league?
by Aaron Novinger on Jun 1, 2009 11:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
Not only has Hawkins shown speed (4.5 forty after running 2,000+ yards… in pads nonetheless), but he’s also shown insane toughness for a little guy. He’s a beast in all those drills. Even though he’s only listed at 5’7’’, he’s built like a tank.
by jsams on Jun 1, 2009 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
53 Man Roster
What I really like about this show though is even if the winner doesn’t make the 53 man roster, he could still end up on the practice squad. With a guy like Hawkins, who clearly has some natural talent, is only 22 years old, and seems to be the type of guy the Cowboys are looking for (aka a character guy), a year on the practice squad could go a long way towards him refining his talent and making some sort of impact in 2010. Its kind of like this year with Dixon, who showed some talent last year, but needed to change his body. Now Dixon is in great shape, and many Cowboys are talking about him as a guy who can be a solid contributor on the D-line.
There are lots of people that go to church on Sundays to get in touch with God. Personally, my church is on Sunday as well, it just happens to involve watching the Dallas Cowboys.
by Cowboyfan729 on Jun 2, 2009 1:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Hawkins has the versatility, it seems Mike favors Montrell Jones a lil bit tho
"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards
by nicholas.rodriguez on Jun 2, 2009 1:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That guy seems like he could be special,
if he would keep his head out his butt and just work hard. It’s a shame to see athletes who are too lazy to apply the gifts they have.
by Mandmeisterx on Jun 2, 2009 5:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um, actually I counted 4 other reasons to use that photo...
It’s good to keep abreast of what the cheerleaders are doing!!
I’m pathetic, I’m actually recording Pros vs Joes. Back to 4th and Long, I like the show too, the production values are really good. It looks to me like the big kid, Montrell is getting a lot of hype from Irvin. Maybe it’s just s set up for some drama later on. It will be interesting to see the winner go up against the real competition during training camp.
The biggest takeaway for me from this show is Irvin himself. I wish JJ could find a spot on the coaching staff for him, especially with all the new, young talent. He sincerely doesn’t understand a player not giving 110% because that’s the way he is about everything and since he has the skins on the wall, he has to be respected.
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
by Jim Vance on Jun 2, 2009 12:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Seriously.
If nothing else, bring Irvin in to make pre-game, half-time and post-game speeches.
by jsams on Jun 2, 2009 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Irvin
I completely agree. Every time he talks about heart and getting the job done, I get goosebumps. As a coach, he would be a guy who would make players feel bad for not giving it their all.
There are lots of people that go to church on Sundays to get in touch with God. Personally, my church is on Sunday as well, it just happens to involve watching the Dallas Cowboys.
by Cowboyfan729 on Jun 2, 2009 1:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have Irvin do all the talking for Wade...
Wade does Xs and Os, Irvin is who delivers them
"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards
by nicholas.rodriguez on Jun 2, 2009 1:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What does Jones posses that our other receivers don't?
I hope Hawkins wins. He looks like he might be able to add something to this team.
by hiafex on Jun 2, 2009 3:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So those girls are twins with different dye jobs;....right?
And by dye jobs I really do mean pubic.
As for Irvin’s show, I haven’t checked it out yet and doubt I will because it reeks too much of reality TV. I don’t even like sniffing that sort of crap even if it is Cowboys related. Best of luck to the eventual winner and may he give the Cowboys kick returns of 45 and 31 yards.
by MadMick on Jun 2, 2009 6:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hawkins
+ 1 fellas; Hawkins is the best fit as he can return punts and is a good change-up to the big receivers we already have. If he makes it happen during camp, he’ll stick…and he has a good heart. It’s he and Holley in a final shoot out on the last episode…in a last episode shocker, Romo is brought in to throw the pigskin with Deion at CB…and Jerry is seen on the sidelines with hand in chin.
"The Most Dangerous Man in the world is the one with nothing to lose"
by SaratogaRacing on Jun 2, 2009 7:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Grizz
I fortunately had the opportunity to watch Andrew Hawkins play in high school since he and his older brother, Artrel Hawkins, who I personally know and played in the NFL for several years (now retired), are from my home town.
The kid was electrifying in high school as once he got into space, it was all over, nobody could catch him. From what his brother tells me, he has legit 4.3 speed. He had some academic problems in college and never graduated, but I’ve talked to the kid and he seems plenty smart enough to learn the pro game, especially if he’s only going to be a ST player anyway. Also, both Artrel and Andrew attended Bishop McCort H.S., a very strict, catholic private school, not the inner city school, so character or discipline issues wouldn’t be a problem with him.
His brother believes he has what it takes to play in the NFL and I believe him, especially from seeing him play first hand. If he wins this competition, I think he has a really legit shot at making the team as a returner, especially given the fact the Cowboys are stressing ST play more, even bringing in a kick off specialist. Why not have a return specialist as well.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jun 2, 2009 7:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I was a bit disappointed to see Erick Jackson get booted last night.
But I must say that the defensive backs were wholly unimpressive last night. There is not one of those guys I would ever trust covering receivers for the Cowboys (if there’s no way they would even get that far). Of course, that wasn’t an ideal game situation, and really just a glorified 7 on 7 drill (which tends to favor the offense, since there is no pass rush). But even on the one on one plays, the DB’s failed to make plays on the ball, wouldn’t turn towards the play to find it in the air, and sometime just resorted to tackling the receiver while the ball was being thrown. They just weren’t physical or aggressive at all.
Of course looking at the preview for next week’s show, Irvin saw that as well and the focus will be on physicality in one on one situations. I already know what my favorite quote from the entire show will be, and it hasn’t even happened yet.
Most likely answering a question regarding pass interference:
“THAT’S A STUPID RULE IN SOME STUPID BOOK WRITTEN BY SOME IDIOT WHO NEVER PLAYED THE GAME OF FOOTBALL!!!!”
Love it.
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by Brandon Worley on Jun 2, 2009 9:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah, it looks like they will be working
on jump ball scenarios. It be interesting to see how 5-7 Hawk does in these drills…so far he’s been the star every week.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jun 2, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hawkins looks like a player
but Holly has the size to really make a difference. Those two guys stand out to me as well. I hate to admit it, but I’m totally hooked on the show.
I had high hopes that Jackson would make it a long way, but after last night he just looked lazy on defense. If you are safety and there is no deep threat on your side of the field, you’ve got to either attack the ball or go help in coverage. He was just standing there and no one was around him.
by TCBinNYC on Jun 2, 2009 10:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Vince Young wants out...
It was only a matter of time. If Tennessee is willing to part ways, anyone want to bet that The Danny will try to pull the trigger? Aside from The Danny (and Montecito Tex), do you think anyone would want this guy?
http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/teams/afc/tennessee-titans/
by Boundforbeach on Jun 2, 2009 11:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
as a NFL qb, he's garbage
Like Vick , his only shot in this league is as a wildcat qb…at best.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jun 2, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vince
was an exciting college player to watch, but he doesn’t have the mental power to make it as an NFL QB.
He stoopid.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
by OskieOskie on Jun 2, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or the ability to pass with any kind of accuracy
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jun 3, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
spike?
i’ve never even heard of that network. i suppose it’s not on direct tv.
by Joey2zs on Jun 2, 2009 9:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it is--Channel 241.
SpikeTV is a men’s network. Jesse James has a show on it, The Man Show used to be on there, and Manswers is pretty cool too.
Is it too early to ask what round I should aim for Felix in my fantasy football league?
by Aaron Novinger on Jun 2, 2009 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And more importantly...
It’s basiclly the UFC network.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Jun 3, 2009 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup.
Is it too early to ask what round I should aim for Felix in my fantasy football league?
by Aaron Novinger on Jun 3, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously?
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Jun 3, 2009 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont think Hawkins could ever push anyone for a 53 man spot
His 5’7 size is just not going to be good enough. If he was able to play both ways on special teams as a tackler and returner then I could see it, but we have too many receivers out there with size and potential and also some pretty good players already returning kicks in Felix and Orlando.
by rioplayer7 on Jun 3, 2009 1:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We still need a punt returner, though.
DeAngelo Smith and Crayton are pretty much the options.
Is it too early to ask what round I should aim for Felix in my fantasy football league?
by Aaron Novinger on Jun 3, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL he has no clue on how to field a punt
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jun 5, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He can play both ways
as a returner and gunner on coverage teams. There are players in the league at 5-7 or shorter so your statement about his height is simply not true at all.
We could end up keeping 6 WRs and I could easily see him beating out any WR on roster after RW, Austin, Crayton, Hurd and Stanback.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jun 4, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather have a WR be 5'7" than 6'9". Shorter guys can be quicker w/better leverage.
Is it too early to ask what round I should aim for Felix in my fantasy football league?
by Aaron Novinger on Jun 4, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't care about size...
But you have to be skeptical of one of them actually being able to make the team.
I’m all up for heart warming stories, but we won’t see what he is really like until he steps up and practices with the big boys.
it was weird, I... I mean you probably didn't hear about it because I went under the name of Mike Honcho. But I just wanted you to know that. If you can hear me, if it got into your brain somehow. That I spread my buttcheeks as Mike Honcho.
by AirforceBat on Jun 4, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
true
but in reality, how many undrafted FAs does anyone expect to make the team?? It’s true whoever wins that show is a long shot, but IMO, not longer than the other FAs trying to make the team.
If it’s Hawkins, his return ability could give him a real edge as right now our best returner is Crayton and he’s basically a safe option, not a real threat.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jun 4, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh for sure.
I’m definitly pulling for him or whomever makes it.
it was weird, I... I mean you probably didn't hear about it because I went under the name of Mike Honcho. But I just wanted you to know that. If you can hear me, if it got into your brain somehow. That I spread my buttcheeks as Mike Honcho.
by AirforceBat on Jun 4, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Usually one to three UDFAs make the team each year.
Is it too early to ask what round I should aim for Felix in my fantasy football league?
by Aaron Novinger on Jun 7, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We dont know if he can tackle though
Plus I was looking at his return stats in college he was only the returner one year, and he had no tds, but a decent yard average. I think it is Felixs job to lose he has been working there but there are reports that he is having some trouble. I think our next look should go to Orlando. Hawkins has no chance to make the team whatsoever. Maybe a practice squad member but no chance otherwise. Jerry Jones said get him a football player so if they were smart they would actually go after a player not a midget. How many 5’7 guys have really ever made it in the league not very many unless there are rbs, not receivers, and he is not that good punt returning so stop saying he is going to come in and do it.
by rioplayer7 on Jun 4, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It certainly isn't Felix's job to lose
thats not true at all. The job will revert back to Crayton if somebody doesn’t shine in camo.
BTW, we do know he can tackle, he was a gunner at Toledo and he is a very good punt returner, probably better than anyone we have on the team now.
Just remember, if Hawkins makes the team, I’ll be sure to remind you.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jun 5, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is what I mean it is Felixes job to lose
They are working him out there but he will lose it if he can not learn to catch the punt
by rioplayer7 on Jun 9, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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