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If I were an NFL free agent, there would be two primary factors that would weigh heavy in my choosing of a new destination. Firstly, as in any field, you have to find an employer who will pay you fair market value for your services. Secondly, I would not exactly be looking for a team who was set up to win right now, but rather a team that is set up to contend annually for a number of years. If the Dallas Cowboys are right about their quarterback (and I think they are), they have the look of one of those teams.

Based on last season’s opening day roster the Dallas Cowboys were actually the league’s third oldest team with and average age of 28.22 years per player. The acquisitions of Keith Brooking and Jon Kitna pretty much negate the dumping of Anthony Henry and Greg Ellis. Still the possibility of adding as many as 12 rookies will drop the teams overall average age dramatically. Most importantly, the Cowboys have a young core, so most of the teams key players will be around for a while.

There is a point in a player’s career when his knowledge for the game reaches its optimum level while his physical ability is still near it’s peak. Most believe this happens around age 28 for positional players, and a little closer to 30 for quarterbacks. If that is true, most of the Cowboys nucleus will be at or near their prime in the very near future.

Take a look at some of the Cowboys’ key players and their respective ages as of the start of the 2009 regular season:

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Tony Romo - 29
Bradie James- 28
Ken Hamlin - 28
Jay Ratliff - 28
Roy Williams - 28
Jason Witten - 27
DeMarcus Ware - 27
Igor Olshansky - 27
Gerald Sensabaugh - 26

 

The good organizations never go through a true rebuilding period. By maintaining a steady infusion of young talent and cutting ties with declining veterans, the good franchises simply reload. As a direct result of recent draft success, the Cowboys seem to have a fully-loaded magazine on deck as well. The Cowboys have a wave of key contributors (and rookies with bright futures) who will be entering their peak years just as the players in the current core group move into their thirties:

Anthony Spencer - 25
Tashard Choice - 25
Miles Austin - 25
Mike Jenkins - 24
Michael Hamlin - 24
Jason Williams - 23
Felix Jones - 22
Martellus Bennett - 22
Orlando Scandrick - 22
Brandon Williams - 21

 

The Dallas Cowboys have a real shot of contending for the Lombardi trophy on an annual basis if they can get about three things to go their way.

1. Tony Romo - Romo has to stay healthy, and he has to turn the corner. We’ve seen what the Cowboys offense looks like without Romo. I would love to see Romo come out this season and silence all of his doubters. If Romo does not take the next step, and the Cowboys decide at some point to move off of him, it could throw a real wrench into the Cowboys future. It is not often that teams make a smooth transition at quarterback, and I can’t see a team this talented being willing to wait for a young guy (Stephen McGee) to work through his growing pains. The Cowboys need Tony Romo to stay healthy and play at a high level for the better part of the coming decade.

2. Offensive Line - The Cowboys are going to have to get some future starters in place along the offensive line. All of the O-line starters are in their thirties. Flozell Adams is the oldest, and seems at times to have the least left in the tank, so finding a future left tackle is key. The Cowboys may be inclined to invest an early selection in next year’s draft to insure that that position does not soon become a crippling weakness. If the Doug Free's and Robert Brewster's of the team can develop, the line may be in better shape than most think. If the Cowboys can make smooth transitions along the line in the early part of the next decade, this offense ought to be good for a very long time.

3. The Draft - 2008 was a homerun draft. Of course we can’t make a judgment on 2009’s class, but it is fair to say that is at least looks promising. Another draft or two like these will go a long way toward solidifying the team’s future. After going heavy on defense in ‘09, look for the Cowboys to have a little more interest in shoring up the offensive side of the ball. Offensive line will be a priority. All of the great organizations are built through the draft, and the Cowboys will have to keep making solid selections (and keep developing the talent) to keep pace with those teams.

I see and hear a lot of analysts talking about how the window of opportunity is closing for the Cowboys. With a roster full of cornerstones nearing their primes, and a second wave readying to step in, I think that the Cowboys window of opportunity is just really beginning to open. Looking into the future, it appears that the Cowboys are setting themselves up to contend for the long haul.

Don’t confuse my optimism for patience. They can just go ahead and win one this year if they like!

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nice write up carl.

the oline is definitely the biggest concern where you don’t see that next wave ready to step in in a few years. and in some cases it could need to be sooner. but no oline on your list. most of these backup guys are big unknowns. this draft, they got Brewster as their 2nd pick, but that was the only online 1 out of 12, so i next year i think you’re right, it has to be a priority to address. and maybe they were projecting more depth in the ‘10 class. meanwhile hopefully some of the guys they have are developing and really can step up, but right now we just don’t know.

otherwise, i think this team has done a very good job of ‘reloading’ the potential both for immediate and sustained success by getting younger and having a system of highly skilled veterans and understudies, we just have to see it come together on the field.

i mean who has it better right now that marty b? athletically superbly gifted, working under all-pro TE regarded as best in the league and a TE friendly system that will coach up and utilize his skills.

and everyone is worrying about the WRs, even tho we’ve got some good ones, but to think, we have very arguably both the #1 TE tandem in the league, and the #1 RB trio in the league. That’s not just homerism lol, it is pretty much recognized. Top TE hitting his peak, young TE could be even better. RB curve probably shorter, but top RB 26 in the peak wave, one at 25, one at 22, in the young wave. Now it comes down to how they are used and how they execute, but to somehow think that we lack offensive threats because of no TO, but we have #1 TE tandem and #1 RB trio now and potentially for a good few years…

by scottmaui on Jun 10, 2009 2:43 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The Oline

Looking at the roster, there seems to be a huge gap from the veterans (starters) on down. Hopefully, guys like Holland and Brewster close that gap tighter.
With Holland and UDFA Matt Spanos seeing time at Center, that could push Cory Proctor into fighting for a roster spot. Brewster will undoubtedly make the team, but will any of the other rookie OL?

We’ve got G Travis Bright (BYU), OT Michael Turkovich (Notre Dame), and G Greg Isdaner (W.Virginia). Now, you would think at least one guy would make the practice squad. I read in an old Sporting News pre-draft article that Isdaner was in their Top60 prospects and in their Most-Underrated Prospects section. That sounds promising! He’s 6-3, 325.

The guys between the vets and the rooks are the bigger question marks—namely McQuistan and Free. DC.com has both of these guys listed as OTs, so that may be a huge reason for the Proctor re-signing.

Dallas can always keep 8-9 lineman on the 53 and only dress 7 for a game. Here’s my prediction for backups:

Backup #1 Holland = G/C
Backup #2 Free = T

If they dress 8 OL, then it would be on between
Backup #3a Brewster = RT/G
Backup #3b McQuistan = T/G

If any of these guys get injured, then the Isdaner/Bright/Spanos combo must outshine
Backup #4 Proctor

Turkovich may be pushed to shoot for the practice squad unless he excels at the tackle position.

"Grow where you are planted."

by Aaron Novinger on Jun 10, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Holland

I loved the way Holland was playing in the Pittsburgh game before he got hurt. Kosier’s foot is still not 100%. I think Holland will start the year at guard and keep it.

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by HudBaby on Jun 10, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How sweet would it be...

If Spanos or Isdaner are not only able to make the team, but fight their way into a starting spot in the next year or so? Given the number of Pro-Bowl guys that started out as UDFAs, it is not out of the question. And talk about a perfect gift; it is the one thing the Cowboys seem to have missed in recent drafts.

Here’s hoping these boys stick around.

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by DalaiLuke on Jun 11, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damn

It’s so nice to have writers who actually like the team they’re reporting on. Thank you, thank you, thank you. (meant graciously and wholeheartedly).

Couldn’t agree more. I know I’m a broken record on this, so you guys are probably getting tired of hearing it, but if someone isn’t behind the scenes coaching up this o-line we are screwed. The o-line not only seems too slow, they don’t seem to recognize what the defense is bringing, they’re undisciplined, 4 out of 5 have no fire, and they don’t seem to take any responsibility for their underachieving MO.

All that being said, I still believe they can play well enough to win in this league. They have to be at their best for the long haul, which they haven’t given any indication they can be, but they can do it if they want it bad enough.

I just happen to think that the players along the line of scrimmage, offense and defense, have to be the cornerstone of your franchise, and I just don’t see it on the Cowboys. Here’s to hoping they prove me to be a total idiot.

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by SB Six on Jun 10, 2009 5:33 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think OLine

is definitely the question mark this year. They proved they can play in 2007, but under Hudson Houck in 2008 they were less than satisfactory. Was 2008 a blip due to age, coaching, or just a bad season? I hope the latter.

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by 24Hz on Jun 10, 2009 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

or injury

Kosier being out affected them physically and mentally as he helped make the line calls, and Flo’s wing was injured for a good portion of the season. if both of them are healthy, can the line return to it’s 07 goodness?

by scottmaui on Jun 10, 2009 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think a QBs prime years are definitely in their early 30s

The QB is such a difficult position to learn and master that it takes several years of playing to reach elite status on a consistent basis. Peyton Manning and Brady started peaking at the age of 30 and are at the top of their games. Same holds true for all other truly great qbs I can think of, Montana, Aikman, Staubach, Elway, Unitas, etc

Romo’s best years are yet to come and I think over the next several years, Cowboys fans will see Romo become more smart in his decision making and the risks he takes with the ball will become more calculated than indiscriminate.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jun 10, 2009 7:59 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

that's because free agency killed the team

but in terms of knowing how to play the position, he was a better qb in his 30s, no doubt.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jun 10, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and mentally - Aikman may have been better in his early 30's - but physically he was

nowhere even close to where he was in the early 90’s….how do you separate the two??

by McLovin9 on Jun 10, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that doesn't mean they were better QBs at that time

it means they played on better teams.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jun 10, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, technically you said peaking.

Sure, just like the older you get you get more gray hairs, I guess every great NFL QB is going to pick up something new the longer they play. But Aikman was certainly physically worse off by his 30’s and I’d say mentally his grasp of the game peaked when he was in his 4th or 5th year to the extent that he was so sharp his understanding of the game couldn’t have gotten that much better from year to year.

by MadMick on Jun 10, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Aikman isn't a good example

because he sustained concusions that prematurely ended his career.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jun 10, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was your example

and now he isn’t a good one

by I_miss_Switzer on Jun 10, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

in terms of being a better qb he is

in terms of staying healthy he isn’t. Let’s face it, most qbs don’t sustain career ending injuries to force their retirements.

Aikman would have had better success if his team wouldn’t have left in FA and he didn’t sustain all those concussions.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jun 10, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

so he can be a better QB overall - just not physically....

terry – i just dont understand how you can separate the two…..

Aikman was also having back problems that were limiting his effectiveness in addition to the concussions…

Carson Palmer hasn’t been the same since the injury…

Brady is coming off career threatening knee surgery…he may never be the same – who knows?

by McLovin9 on Jun 10, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Argh.

Carson Palmer sustained a debilitating elbow injury. That changes his trajectory a bit from the normal path. I would think that that would be obvious.

Can we give it a rest on the hijacking the threads for one-sentence back and forth QB “debates”? I don’t mind logical argument, that’s what I think these boards are great for, but that’s not what is happening here. People are latching onto one phrase in another person’s argument and rebutting it, until 6 or 7 posts in you have completely lost what the original point of the debate was about and you’re whether or not someone accurately quoted Tony Romo’s golf handicap.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Jun 10, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tim - this guy made the argument that QBs are better in their 30's than they are in their 20's

I am sick and tired of this guy and the nonsense that he writes – so i’m taking issue with it today

by McLovin9 on Jun 10, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

specifically - Terry mentioned Aikman was better QB in 30's than he was in his 20's

this should be permanently attached to Terry like the scarlet letter “Henson” has been attached to Tex

by McLovin9 on Jun 10, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Palmer doesn’t seem to have ever come back from that knee injury fully, which is a shame. Maybe this is the year.

Yeah, Terry doesn’t seem to be able to pass up any contrary comment without responding. I understand the desire to debate, but when you’ve responded so many times your posts are all the way over on the right hand margin, it’s probably best to let it go.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Jun 10, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I enjoy the debates.

There is no rule that says you have to read every post on the board. I sometimes skip entire topics once I have read them once, because it is not about something in which I am interested. Or if an argument breaks out that I don’t care about, I just scroll past it. If they’re not breaking any board rules, why can’t they have a discussion and enjoy the board just like you?

by Baked Potato Soup on Jun 10, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great read Carl

While I tend to agree with most on the oline subject, I’d like to throw a little perspective: Last year before Kosier got injured, Did any of us thought that the oline was playing bad? to me they looked like the team everyone was raving about. Yes we do need to replenish some talent there, but IMHO most oline players get to their prime well in their 30’s. Right now they’re practicing without pads and it is really difficult to evaluate the oline, they are probably working more on technique than enything else.

by DCowboy on Jun 10, 2009 9:01 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

I don’t think the line sucks, I think the depth of the line sucks.

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by AirforceBat on Jun 10, 2009 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great point on last year that is admittedly easy to forget.

Those first three games of the season, our O-line was playing outstanding. I remember thinking in the Philly game that Romo coulda had a tea party back there. That’s against quite the pressure defense, as we all well know. Coincidentally, we hung a gang of points on Philly and got off to a 3-0 record.

The O-line is pretty good, if utilized for what it is. It should be a big, mauling line that pushes ahead all the time. We shouldn’t be trying to utilize the speed, or honestly even high intelligence, of our line as if we were a smaller, zone-blocking O-line. God knows we need better depth though, too.

Run the ball the right way, definitely don’t just abandon our talented passing game, and let our big O-line wear on defenses all game. That wear-em-out motto used to be ours, and I think it really contributed to why MBIII was the incredible finisher that he was.

Dig it.

by KaceOFbass on Jun 10, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cincy was poised as well...

I think this a very good column, but I preach caution. Cincy seemed poised for a 4-6 year run in 2005, then Palmer got hurt, and the bottom fell out. Of course this is Dallas and not Cincy, and I certainly don’t have the Cincy roster ages from 2005-current at the tips of my fingers, but let’s just take it one year at a time.

by egtuna on Jun 10, 2009 9:11 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well...

Also Cincy has never had the defensive players that Dallas has. In the years that Palmer was tearing it up, Cincy never had better than the 27the best defense. Last year they were better than advertised at defense, but the O-line went to crap and they had a ton of injuries.

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by AirforceBat on Jun 10, 2009 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

a couple of quibbles

i like your article. but your final two points were pretty much self-evident and not necessarily likely.

yes, the boys will do well if the young OL develop. but that’s been true for a while, and isn’t the problem that in most cases, they haven’t? that’s why we’ve built through free agency with davis, columbo, and kosier. the cowboys really need a breakthrough in this area; it’s been far too long. higher picks like marten, rogers, and peterman haven’t panned out, and “promising” late rounders like mcquistan and pettiti haven’t really turned into anything. the jury is still out on free. this is the team that felt the need to tender cory procter, for crying out loud! given that, i was actually surprised they didn’t get another OL.

and while it’s true another draft or two like 2008 will help solidify the team’s future, you said yourself that it was a home run. don’t know that we can expect that every time. as for 2009, how can you tell that it’s promising? have these guys even been in pads yet?

by g8tgod on Jun 10, 2009 9:49 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This surprised me...
Based on last season’s opening day roster the Dallas Cowboys were actually the league’s third oldest team with and average age of 28.22 years per player

Who’dathunkit? This team, outside ol’ man Greg and Zach, felt young to me. Even though T.O.‘s in his mid-30’s, he seemed young at heart and definitely did his all to stay in shape.

We ought to shave a good 2.5-3 years off our opening day roster this season. Of the 19 guys noted above, their average is 26.47 yo unless my math is off. This is fun stuff to chew on, Carl.

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by Aaron Novinger on Jun 10, 2009 10:15 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Suprised me as well

The O line is not old, but certainly not young.

by I_miss_Switzer on Jun 10, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The O-line starters were the 2nd oldest in the league last year

I assume they’ll be in a similiar position this year.

by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 1:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think average team age can be misleading

How important is Jon Kitna’s age to an assessment of our team? Or Keith Brookings’? It’s probably more useful to look at the age of your cornerstone guys, like Carl did.

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by Tim Wilson on Jun 10, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup.

And they’re all in their 20s.

"Grow where you are planted."

by Aaron Novinger on Jun 10, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

nice story

The Hotel is closing for business after this year, in my opinion. Replacing him is tantamount to any future success. Kosier’s foot problems look dicey. Why did Denver cut Montrae? Can he play or not? I understand the “Denver System”, but Shanny saw something in the kid. Procter, McQuistan and Free does the bell toll for thee? Lots of questions on this very important front.

by tuinei71 on Jun 10, 2009 10:56 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I suspect thats true as well

This could very well be Flozel’s swan song and Dallas would be screwed without him.

by AustonianAggie on Jun 10, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not arguing...

This is what I know about Holland from all I’ve read and observed.

- 4th Round Pick by the Saints. Played and started majority of games his first 3 years. Got hurt his 4th year.
- Signed to a one year deal with Denver. They wanted him to trim down…he never did. He was nevertheless a starter for all 16 games. Got traded after the two team scrimmage at the end of training camp (on our way back from Cali) when our coaches were impressed and Shanahan was looking to make a change to a lighter guy.
- Played well in his 2 games with us.

I was just as disappointed with the Cowboys by not putting him in earlier when Proctor clearly showed he was a liability. I’ve not seen a single thing written other than Wade saying he was still learning the system.

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by Fighter15 on Jun 10, 2009 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Flozell scares me

I’ll beat the dead horse here on the o-line. Flozell is now the most tenured Cowboy, and many of his class of o-line brethren are fading (Pace, T. Thomas, W. Jones). We’ve seen how we look w/o a legit LT just a couple years back when Torrin Tucker tried to man the position. I’m hopeful on Free, but the fact that he hasn’t seen the field much, even when Flo was injured last year, doesn’t bode well for the coaches confidence in him.

I thought we made a mistake passing on Beatty this year, as he had the talent to be a LT. I think the team took a big gamble in crossing their fingers and hoping Flo bounces back this year. I hope he does, but if he continues to slide, it could short-circuit a lot of the offense.

I think we’ll probably have to invest our first rounder next year on a left tackle. Good news is that the 2010 draft seems to have good tackle talent.

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by cowboysuberfan on Jun 10, 2009 11:44 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree to an extent.

But I will say that this coaching staff made it clear last year that they would rather stick with an injured veteran than give an opportunity to a talented youngster, such as they did with Marion Barber and Tashard Choice. Even with Felix Jones who could have been a tremendous asset to our team, they were hesitant to use him.

That’s why it is puzzling to me that everyone thinks these rookies are going to have a big impact on the team. I think we are going to see Proctor as the backup G/C regardless, Bobby Carpenter as the Nickel LB, and the veteran winning out at most backup spots regardless of talent level. I hope I’m wrong, but that’s how I see it based on what they did last year.

by Baked Potato Soup on Jun 10, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Wade's guys are going to win the majority of battles.

As long as they can contribute on ST immediately, that is. This is exactly what this draft was about. Players that fit the mold of what Wade does. It’s clear that we are getting younger, and also that character matters now. These kids are a bunch of hitters. For not having any premium picks in the recent draft, the Cowboys drafted the best they could, and if the stars fall into place it could be rated as a brilliant draft down the line.

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by SB Six on Jun 10, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bahahaha

Even as a Dallas fan, that’s hilarious

by Zach22 on Jun 10, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love the chat with Joe Simpson

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by Seanrude on Jun 10, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Asinine, but

very funny. Too bad Campbell sucks so bad that no one thinks of making a fake facebook page for him.

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by GunsUp on Jun 10, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you love Romo about as much

as I love T.O. and Pacrat.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jun 10, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You have spent hundreds of dollars on jerseys for those players?

And your friends and family know that a surefire gift is anything with their number and a Cowboys star on it? I’m a huge Romo fan, but I also get disappointed when he doesn’t live up to my defense of him to non-Cowboys fans. Just because I love hamburgers doesn’t mean I’m going to say they’re better than filet mignon. When Tony ups his game, I’ll be leading the charge to trumpet his greatness.

by Baked Potato Soup on Jun 10, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As soon as he does it, you'll read it.

I’ve just learned that with Romo and most other players, arguing their potential leads to looking foolish, so instead I argue their performance. Thus far, his performance has been good but not great.

by Baked Potato Soup on Jun 10, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're right

BPS, but don’t expect to make a convert of Terry.

I have been a Cowboys fan since the Don Meredith days, and I am hoping Tony Romo will raise his game to the championship level. I am rooting for him. But the plain truth is the guy is not there yet, and he has yet to show me that he will ever get there.

Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.

by OskieOskie on Jun 10, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

TR shows flashes of brilliance, he just needs to cut down on the knucklehead stuff

He is not there yet, but I am hopeful

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by Seanrude on Jun 10, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He will need a little help for that.

I know he makes mistakes. Find a good QB who doesn’t. Some of the fumbles can be eliminated by not getting hit al the time, and having to run for you life on every play. We saw just how much Romo makes this offensive line look good when he was hurt. Fence Post and Brooks were anhialated.

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by GunsUp on Jun 11, 2009 6:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha........

Where did you come up with name Fence Post? Sounds good to me.

by texstar on Jun 11, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So you don't think that Romo needs to improve anything?

If I understand your post correctly it seems like you think he makes an acceptable number of mistakes, and the only reason he makes more than that is because of his teammates, is that correct?

by Baked Potato Soup on Jun 11, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know this question is directed at gunsup

but I personally think Romo needs to improve on a lot and that he will considering he has less than 50 career starts under his belt.

QBs improve and get better with experience so patience with Romo is the key, it will happen, give it time.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jun 11, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree BPS

I believe that already setting some Cowboys passing records and having a career qb rating of 90+ is pretty damn good.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jun 11, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you the Clinton Portis Facebook Page?

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I did not know we had our first current NFL player come out of the closet while playing.

Go Cowboys!

by DCFanatic on Jun 10, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good post Carl

I was trying to research last night how young this team is and ran into that fact about last year. It was surprising, although there isn’t much statistical difference between the bottom 10 teams or so.
Still, I like the move to youth and speed.
reminds me of the “other” JJ’s approach.

We have to wait and see who actually makes it from this year’s draft though. Last year was great but can’t be repeated.

by Realist Larry on Jun 10, 2009 11:58 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree with Airforce

The O-line doesn’t suck, the depth of the Oline sucks.

Except for the Gurode snaps and constant Flo offsides and let downs they are pretty good.

Those two things above can lose a game real quick. When Romo has to go 3rd and 10 or longer, well, that just pisses me off!

by torchindefenses on Jun 10, 2009 12:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Harvy Dahl

I seem to remember his name. Didn’t he play for the Cowboys. He has become one of the NFL’s nastiest SOB’s to man the OG position. If he did done the STAR, why in the hell did we let him go.

by smashmouth9473 on Jun 10, 2009 12:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

the 3rd oldest fact is interesting...

I seem to remember two years ago the announcers mentioned (I think we were playing the Packers) that the Cowboys and the Packers were the two youngest teams in the NFL. It’s possible that they only said “two of the youngest teams,” but still, it’s hard to believe we got that much older after one year.

by BackInTown on Jun 10, 2009 1:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The ideal apparoch is to be able to reload on the fly, while remaining competitive

To be in contention EVERY year, but to also be rebuilding at the same time. That’s the goal, and it’s not impossible. The Patriots, for instance, built an entire WR corps from scratch before 2007, and they rebuilt their entire secondary on the fly this past offseason.

I think the place that it’s hardest to do that type of on-the-run rebuilding is the offensive line, as others mentioned above. Sadly, the Eagles are actually probably the best example of a team doing it well. They lost BOTH starting tackles from last year, yet their OL looks undiminished (and possibly even improved). Of course, they invest first or second round draft picks EVERY YEAR on the offensive and defensive line.

As much as I have liked our personnel managment the past few years, I do think that that’s an area where we lack a bit— the refusal to use early draft picks on offensive linemen (we certainly do it on the defensive side, so no gripes there), even in years when OL may not be a pressing need.

You’ll whiff every so often (the Eagles missed on Winston Justice and Jerome McDougle, for instance), but overall you will keep your depth on the line at a very high level.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Jun 10, 2009 1:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Exactly right

Even if you have a good OL, you almost need to spend one pick in the first three rounds each year to keep the cupboard full – and you need to develop them.

It is easier to do this when you don’t have too many screaming needs at other positions.

by I_miss_Switzer on Jun 10, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eagles Whiffed more than that!

Don’t forget the WRs,RBs,LBs,DBs.

And their young guys aren’t going to stay when they know, the Eagles will only pay FAgents the big money.

by psychodad on Jun 10, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was referring to first round picks on OL or DL

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Jun 10, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This year's draft looks promising?

Well, I guess every draft has promise in it. Each year you get young, hungry players that have a chance to contribute to the team.

I find it funny that not many here will point out that we had a bad draft. Every other team in the NFL took at least one player higher than our highest player. Likewise, they all took at least one player graded higher than our highest graded player. If you’re talking about setting the team up for future success, dont point to this draft about getting that done. It might happen, but its not real likely. Most of these guys project as back-up and special teams guys. Those type of players are available every year in free agency for not a lot of coin. Even if all 12 stick with the team, chances are we dont have many impact players down the road. A quality special teams player or two, a quality back-up or two, maybe even one or two below average to average starters. Most likely nothing we will look back on fondly in 6-8 years.

by TCBinNYC on Jun 10, 2009 1:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

While its way premature to annoint this draft....

Its also WAY too premature to say this is a “bad draft.”

Every other team in the NFL will likely not be able to look back in 6-8 years and say this year’s draft for them was better than it was for us.

Lets give it some time first.

And yes, this year’s draft looks “promising.”

I dont think we’ll match last years, but then again, last year we had two first rounders and hit on a 5th. It appears we hit also hit on a 2nd. Last year’s draft was outstanding (so far). While this one probably wont become “outstanding,” that doesn’t make it “bad.”

Please.

by THEjarhead on Jun 10, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is also too early to say that last year's draft was a good one

Let’s wait and see if the guys from last year stay healthy and live up to their potential. We can assess it properly in 2011

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Jun 10, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We also hit on a 4th.

But there’s a big difference as guys we got in the later rounds last year and this year. Choice and Scandrick were both considered “steals” with 2nd round talent. Another example is a guy like Chris Canty that we got a few years ago in the 4th round and was considered 1st round talent prior to his injury. Marion Barber was considered a potential 2nd rounder when taken in the 4th round. Even Pat Watkins was considered a good value when taken in the 5th round.

This year, only one player was considered potentially more talented than where Dallas took him in the draft, and most were considered reaches. I think there is probably 1 or maybe 2 guys that will breakout and be a good to great starter, 1 or 2 guys that will be a solid contributor, and 1 or 2 career backups. So, on sheer volume, this draft has potential, but I wouldn’t call it promising, personally. I think it’s just as likely that 10 or more of these guys will never become a solid starter.

by Baked Potato Soup on Jun 10, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ummm

If 1 to 2 become good to great starters, 1 to 2 become solid contributers, and 1 to 2 become backups who make the roster for the next 4 years then this was a pretty good draft.

C’mon. You’re not going to get last year’s draft every year. I’d take your formula for sure with this year’s draft.

NO ONE was calling choice or scandrick “steals” this time last year. There was some excitement about choice, but that was mainly generated by a pre-game speech video floating around. They both may still fizzle out as was pointed out above though i think last year’s draft is looking pretty damn good right now.

As to our other picks, Canty didnt do enough last year (contract year) to warrant a big contract in dallas. I dont recall anyone calling MBIII a “steal” at the time either. And pat watkins…..please.

Any player in this draft who becomes a starter is great value. Anyone who becomes a solid contributer is great value, and anyone who is a solid backup for the next few years is great value.

Dallas has gotten value just about year by following its board, what makes you think they didnt this year?

by THEjarhead on Jun 10, 2009 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Speak for yourself.
NO ONE was calling choice or scandrick "steals" this time last year

I thought they were steals at the time, and I don’t even remember the video you’re talking about. In fact 2009 was the first year in a long time that I didn’t feel really good about the draft immediately.

by krl97a on Jun 10, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I saw some people calling them good value

at the time (rafael for one).

although, now it appears they were steals. At the time, they were good picks for their rounds. If you “knew” right then they were steals, more power to you. Perhaps you should take up scouting for the NFL.

And who cares how we feel about a draft “immediately.”

It only matters how the players drafted pan out in the long run. Man, people have been saying for years now (immediately after the draft) that the lions had a GREAT draft (every year it seems they say that….and every year).

Lets just see what happens with these guys before we start feeling good or bad about this draft.

by THEjarhead on Jun 10, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're confusing hindsight with immediate evaluation.

Of course we can change our minds later, but If you can’t form an opinion on the wisdom of the decisions made in the draft until a few years or even several months down the road, then what’s the point of even discussing it now? Obviously the Cowboys themselves come to conclusions about which moves would be bad and which would be smart before they make the picks. Over the past several years I’ve been happy about their decisions on the days they made them, and those drafts generally turned out well. This time was different, but we’ll see how it turns out.

by krl97a on Jun 10, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We can discuss it.

When did i say we couldn’t?

My point is, its too early to call it good or bad as some seen wont to do. Its hard to get excited about this year’s draft, but, they didnt pick until round 3. Under the circumstances, its hard to blame them.

by THEjarhead on Jun 10, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well discussing it presumably involves either expressing agreement or disagreement

This is the first time in years where I’ve disagreed with most of their decisions.

And they did have a 2nd round pick with plenty of ammunition to trade up if they chose to. Add the fact that in recent drafts they’ve consistently found gems in the 3rd round and later while this time it seemed like they were reaching (even) in the later rounds, and I’m not inclined to let them off the hook just because they didn’t have a 1st rounder.

by krl97a on Jun 10, 2009 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What ammunition did they have to trade up?

Trade up to WHERE?

Again, who would have taken what the cowboys had to offer (a bunch of lower round picks) to let them get high in the 2nd or even into the bottom of the first?

NO ONE.

They would have had to give up some of NEXT year’s picks. It was clear that they didnt want to do that.

When their 2nd round pick came up, there was no one left on their board worth the 2nd. So you either “reach” or you trade down.

by THEjarhead on Jun 10, 2009 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They had eleven draft picks in a seven round draft.

And they ended up with 12. That wasn’t magic, teams trade current draft picks to move up and down all the time. Neither one of us can comment on certainty about what teams would or wouldn’t have been willing to do, but Dallas didn’t want to move up so it’s a moot point. I don’t even think they did a good job of picking players at the spots they had though.

by krl97a on Jun 10, 2009 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Two replies to your post.

That’s the max number/best case scenario in my mind, anywhere from 3-6 contributors. I also said that I suspect 10 or more will never be a solid NFL starter. If you take that as successful, then I guess we have different definitions.

The next post is long, but I hate when people imply that I just made something up. I suggest you do a little better research next time. Now, I never said that Barber was considered a steal, but that he was considered better than where he was drafted by many analysts and writers. Same with Watkins. While they might not have all literally said that Scandrick and Choice were “steals” (some did), the spirit of what they are saying is clear. It’s a stark contrast to what they were saying about the Cowboys’ draft this year, when most felt that they reached and some are suggesting they deliberately got cheap players due to financial difficulties.

by Baked Potato Soup on Jun 10, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rich Gosselin, DMN: “RB Choice in the fourth and CB Scandrick in the fifth were superb second-day selections.”

Mel Kiper, ESPN: “Running back Tashard Choice had a knee injury in 2007; otherwise he would have gone a little higher in the draft. He can run between tackles, but isn’t going to run away from anyone in space. I projected Boise State cornerback Orlando Scandrick to go late in the second round, and I was surprised to see him last until the fifth round.”

Pete Brisco, CBS Sportsline: “Second-day gem: Corner Orlando Scandrick has nice cover skills. Were it not for some attitude questions, he might have been taken higher than the fifth round.”

Paul Zimmerman, SI’s Dr.Z: “the Cowboys got lucky when Tashard Choice, a slashing type of runner, fell to them.”

Charles Robinson, Yahoo! Sports: “Choice could be a steal in the fourth round.”

Robert Davis, Football’s Future: “2nd Day Steal: Orlando Scandrick, CB, Boise St, Round 5. Scandrick has all the talent in the world to develop at corner. He was an early entrant, and will not be forced to play immediately. He can develop at his own pace, and could be big time in a few years.”

Fox Sports’ draft profile on Pat Watkins: “It will be no surprise if he is taken on the draft’s first day.”
 
Todd McShay, Scouts, Inc.: “Best pick: Pat Watkins, S, Florida State. Watkins was a steal in Round 5. If he adjusts to the speed of the NFL and responds well to the coaching, there’s good reason to believe that Watkins can eventually become an upgrade over Keith Davis as Dallas’ starting free safety.”

NFL Draft Blitz.com: “The second day opened with Dallas grabbing a sleeper in Marion Barber, a running back with return skills.”

Football’s Future: “Top draft without question in my opinion. Their first five draft picks could all become major contributors on this team in no time… Their impressive draft continued on day
two with fourth rounders RB Marion Barber and DE Chris Canty. Had Canty not injured his knee, he might have carried a grade similar to Marcus Spears. He’ll be ready by training camp and could be a big time steal. This was a great weekend for Cowboy fans.”

Mel Kiper, ESPN: “One of the best hauls for any team…Running back Marion Barber III is bigger than current Dallas back Julius Jones and is a nice complement.”

by Baked Potato Soup on Jun 10, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well its clear you read the post-draft write ups much more than i do.

I’d bet that if i did such research I could pull any number of quotes from those same writers that turned out to be absolutely bogus over time, but yes, some guys called them steals.

I’d say the cowboys did their homework, and hit on some guys later in the draft. I’d also say that there seemed to have been much less talent in the draft’s deeper rounds this year (at least thats what i think will be the case).

Again, i didnt read what the pundits said about this draft, but i dont understand how the cowboys could “deliberately get cheap players due to financial difficulties.” They picked in day two, the players come cheaper there. They had ONE day one pick. Their explanation that there was no one left on their board worth a 2nd round pick seems entirely plausible to me. Are they supposed to ignore their board?

by THEjarhead on Jun 10, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Todd McShay: “Worst pick: OLB Jason Williams, Western Illinois (third round, No. 69)…the Cowboys traded out of the first day and failed to find any players who will make an impact in the future. Stephen McGee is a developmental quarterback who could turn into a good No. 2. Victor Butler is a nice situational pass-rusher, DeAngelo Smith can be a No. 3 or No. 4 corner, Michael Hamlin projects as an in-the-box safety, Jason Williams is a much better athlete than football player and Robert Brewster is big, but lacks toughness so we don’t envision him as anything more than a backup in the NFL.”

Mel Kiper: “Dallas Cowboys: GRADE: D…The Big D gets a D this year. They didn’t get a lot of top-end talent due in part to their not having a pick until the third round, but they then went out and reached on Jason Williams and Robert Brewster. Victor Butler is a decent pick, as is Brandon Williams, but I’m not enamored with any of their later picks. They got players that could help them in terms of depth, but no one who is going to really strengthen this football team.”

Michael Lombardi, CBS Sports: “Looks like a special teams and depth draft to me.”

Ross Tucker, SI: “HATED IT – Dallas Cowboys: The Cowboys traded down and drafted a bunch of players who won’t even make their roster. What is the point of that? Out of their 12 picks, maybe two of them will contribute in 2009. Not good.”

Pete Brisco: “Grade – D+…”They had a lot of picks, but what did they get? Best pick: I like quarterback Stephen McGee in the fourth round. He’ll be a backup, but a good one."

Rob Rang, CBS Sportsline: “The Cowboys kept the most intriguing developmental quarterback in the draft in-state with the selection of Texas A&M’s Stephen McGee, and got exceptional value in the seventh round with cornerback Mike Mickens.”

by Baked Potato Soup on Jun 10, 2009 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Dallas didn't pick anybody who can help their team."

Justin Tuck said that about this year’s draft.

Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.

by OskieOskie on Jun 10, 2009 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fortunately, he plays DE/DT, not GM

So I’m not overly concerned with his opinion, considering I imagine he did 0 minutes of film study on any of this year’s draft prospects.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Jun 11, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not suggesting

there is merit to the remark, Tim, just want to keep it in circulation so all our rooks see it.

Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.

by OskieOskie on Jun 11, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm

As much as I understand that these guys have jobs to do, I trust the Cowboys scouts more than I will ever trust them. The fact is that the Cowboys scout’s job is to find players who can excel within the system, while I think the people listed above don’t really take that into account as much. For instance, at first glance, Jason Williams probably seemed a strange pick for Dallas whose weaknesses pre-draft didn’t seem to lie in the linebackers.. If they dug a little deeper though, they would see that he has a good chance to compete for the nickel linebacker spot this year with his type of athleticism.

The best comment though has to go to Mel Kiper when he says, “They got players who could help them in depth, but no one who is going to really strengthen this football team.” Maybe its just me, but last time I checked the strongest football teams usually (not always) have a lot of depth.

There are lots of people that go to church on Sundays to get in touch with God. Personally, my church is on Sunday as well, it just happens to involve watching the Dallas Cowboys.

by Cowboyfan729 on Jun 10, 2009 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope that someone prints these out and posts them up...

… for all the rooks to see this year.

Anything for motivation!!!

Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/

by silverblue5 on Jun 11, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not saying any of these guys are right.

For the Cowboys, I hope most of them are wrong about this year’s draft. I’m just pointing out that most of the 3rd-7th rounders that have produced for the Cowboys in the past weren’t exactly surprises. Many people expected them to do well ahead of time. That doesn’t seem to be the case for most of their draft picks this year, though. Again, I’m not hoping for that outcome.

by Baked Potato Soup on Jun 10, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im sure you're not

Time will tell, but i wouldnt bank too much on what the pundits say. We’ll have to see how these guys do first, and that will take a couple of years.

by THEjarhead on Jun 10, 2009 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was fun to read!

"Grow where you are planted."

by Aaron Novinger on Jun 11, 2009 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ummm

I didnt say 1 to 2 good to great starters, because that’s not going to happen from this class. I said we might get 1-2 below average to average starters. Although I honestly dont see any starters from this class. Williams and Hamlin have a shot, but no one else looks like a potential starter.

I just get so frustrated with the overt homerism on this site. Most every draft analyst said our draft was bad. I follow the draft pretty closely myself and thought it was poor. Brewster in the 2nd was a huge reach. Thats a pretty common opinion. Trading back didnt make a lot of sense when we already had a boatload of picks. Again, not only my opinion, but one shared by most analysts.

Every draft is positive in the sense that we picked up new players with potential. But that’s not the point, because every team had a draft. Other teams picked up guys with much more potential than Dallas did. If you were to assign a number to the potential of each player, there is no question Dallas would have the lowest number coming out of this draft. Sure, we could hit on a few of these guys. I hope with all my heart we do. But, the odds are against it. Yet, most everyone on this site believes the hype spewing from the Jerry Jones’s and Mickey Spagnola’s of the world. And by now people here are talking about what a great draft we had. Honestly, I doubt you can find one analyst not employed by the Cowboys who gave them a grade in the top quarter of the league. Most had them in the bottom half. Many even graded them dead last.

by TCBinNYC on Jun 12, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1 TC....

Our draft was by far a great draft. Williams (3rd round) has a chance to start once Brookings is gone. Other than that, the rest are backups and special teams players. This draft was geared at adding depth and special team players, not starters or impact players IMO…..

by Boyzfan94 on Jun 12, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

not true at all

Mike Hamlin is definitely starting material down the road and if Sensabaugh has a good year and wants too much money next off season, I see the Cowboys not re-signing him and going with a Hamlin squared defensive backfield in 2010.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jun 12, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I almost seized on that same line before I saw your post.

I don’t get why people see 2009 as a “promising” draft. I think they blew it this year. Even if we do get 3 or 4 contributors they should have been able to do more than look towards special teams with 12 draft picks. If they felt the value wasn’t there then they should have worked harder to trade some of those into next year. Not only are the type of players we drafted available in free agency, but a lot of the actual guys we ended up picking probably would have been available.

I never bought into the notion of drafting for special teams. You should be able to field a competent special teams with any roster in the NFL. Special Teams quality is determined by coaching and discipline, and they already moved to address that by bringing in DeCamillis. The only picks I agreed with were the potential kickoff specialist and the possible third string QB McGee.

Other than that I think the OP makes a lot of good points though, and on the bright side we’ve drafted well over the past several years, so it’s not like one off year is going to kill us. The lingering question marks are Romo in the post Owens era and the offensive line, particularly Flozell Adams.

by krl97a on Jun 10, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They can "work hard" to trade into next year all they want.

If no one will trade with them, what else can they do, not take a pick?

Available in FA? Why would you pay more for a vested veteran in FA when you can get the same, or possibly better, athlete in the draft for cheaper (and younger too)?

Dallas had a little bit of dead money this year did they not? Are you suggesting we should have signed half a dozen or more FAs to play STs?

by THEjarhead on Jun 10, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, I meant undrafted free agents.

As for trading into next year, I don’t know if they tried or not, but if they did they obviously didn’t succeed and I never heard them say anything about looking to do that.

by krl97a on Jun 10, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, they needed some players this year

so they took some. If no one wants to trade next year’s picks, well, I guess you’re not trading any then. Seems like alot of front offices felt there wasnt too much depth in this draft. If they feel that way, they’re not going to give up next years picks to stockpile more for this year.

by THEjarhead on Jun 10, 2009 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They need players every year....

….but they had a bumper crop of picks in a down talent draft year and I’d be interested to know if they ever even considered trading some of those excess picks to next year, or if they planned on burning them all this year all along. We don’t know if anyone would have been willing to trade or not, but ,as always, a lot of teams moved up at various points and in the past Dallas has certainly proved to be capable at wheeling and dealing when they want to be active in the draft. Either way though I guess it doesn’t matter. They would have been better off not wasting those picks this year. If they were willing to trade but didn’t have the chance it was still an unfortunate setback.

by krl97a on Jun 10, 2009 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

only if none of these guys can play.

Im sure they would have been willing to give up some picks for more next year, but believe it or not, i think they actually wanted some of these guys too.

I would describe my mood as more “intriqued” than dissappointed with this draft. We’re going to find out if WP can really find some defensive players (so far he seems to be very good at that).

I didnt expect much “wow” out of this year’s draft, especially when i saw some of the guys i wanted going EARLY in the 2nd.

by THEjarhead on Jun 10, 2009 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jared Gaither -- the young left tackle who got away

Jared Gaither, the huge young left tackle for the Ravens, got away in the supplemental draft last year. We’d just drafted Free and Marten and apparently thought we’d covered our future at LT. Instead, had we invested a 5th rounder (or perhaps a 4th, I forget), we would have had Gaither, who could replace Flozell right now and upgrade the position.

by VAfan on Jun 10, 2009 2:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Good writeup Carl

One point I’d like to make – if Hollands a keeper and just ONE of our young ol step up and become a contributor, we’ll have as much reliable depth as any ol in the league. In reality, nobody knows what depth they have at ol untill they see these guys play. We didn’t think Kyle Koiser’s injury would break our line. The major worry is of course flozell, but how many teams in this league who have one aren’t scared about their great/elite LT going down?

I forget who he replaced due to injury, but last year, the GIants started OT Kevin Booth a couple games and the guy was flat out manhandled, which played a role in their late season collapse. Sure they drafted a lineman or two, but how the heck can anyone know what they will do? Our last 6 years are filled with drafted lineman who have done nothing for us.

by foyesboys on Jun 11, 2009 8:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Jared Gaither has been a blessing in B-more. He is big, physical and a major reason why we hang close with pitt.. with the addition of Michael Oher (you should see this guy) we’ll have the best ravens o-line we’ve ever had. we added perennial pro-bowler matt berk at center. if the o-line makes a team we will find out this year. Gaither is a quite giant. To add him after Ogden is a real treat.

by raven on Jun 12, 2009 9:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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