DOESNT THIS TEAM NEED....
by tex806 on Jun 12, 2009 4:41 PM CDT
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Printa trent dilfer, jeff hostetler type caretaker QB.....
im all for optimism, but A RESPONSIBLE QB WOULD HAVE LED US TO ATLEAST 1 PLAYOFF WIN THE LAST THREE YEARS......
jerry made a mistake and gave him a big contract, he sells alot of jerseys, and he keeps the cowboys name in the tabloids..we know why he's still here....
HOW MANY PLAYOFF GAMES WOULD WE HAVE WON THE LAST THREE YEARS WITH A CARETAKER QB?
I SAY THREE {{ATLEAST SEATTLE, ATLEAST THE HOME GAME THE NEXT YEAR, AND PROLY 1 LAST YEAR -IM ASSUMING A COMPETANT QB WOULD HAVE LED US TO THE PLAYOFFS-}}
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I understand where you are coming from
Romo needs to learn to cut down on the risks he takes. That said, Romo is the reason this team has been as competitive as it was the last couple of years. I think we can have both the Romo that makes things happen when there is nothing there (see TD pass to TO in Pittsburgh game last year) and a quarterback who manages the offense well, checks down to his backs and doesn’t take unnecessary sacks. Give the guy some time and some good coaching and I think he will have success.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
What good will a caretaker mean if...
… the rest of the team keeps being as inconsistent?
I mean, in some plays they forget how to tackle, in some plays they forget how to run routes, in some plays they forget how to catch, in some plays they forget how to pass protect, in some plays they forget how to run block, in some plays they forget about the distance to the 1st down marker, in some plays they forget about throwing the ball to the sideline, in some plays they forget how they’re supposed to play STs and I can keep on doing this.
Winning is a team game and Dilfer had a great team around him, a lot is said about that year Baltimore Defense, but his team run blocking was one of the best of all time.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
Cliff Harris: "Tony Romo is one of the most talented quarterbacks I have ever seen"
“Captain Crash” Cliff Harris, Cowboys All-Pro FS (1970-79), talks about Romo in this interview (starting around 3:20):
…that was my job as a safety when I played, and I analyze quarterbacks, and I’m telling you Tony Romo is one of the most talented quarterbacks I have ever seen, even analyzed, ever thought about. He does things, subtle things, that the normal guy sitting in the stands wouldn’t see, or even the sportscasters wouldn’t see; I see it, and I think he’s incredible. Now it’s an attitude thing, and I am glad to see him taking it serious, because he can take this team to the Superbowl.
I'm with Mr. Harris.
"Grow where you are planted."
by Aaron Novinger on Jun 12, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL lame post montecito tex!
stick to the comments you used to do, when there was a tiny crumb of truth in the middle.
Romo does have the perception of a certain attitude, whether accurate or not. He does need to win a playoff game soon. Those are your talking points-focus!
my talking points...
1st…im tex806, banned from other blogs for telling it like it is…
2nd…the defense has been adequate. .this offense, coupled with a responsible QB, keeps the defense off the field. great defenses are usually a product of stopping the run and their offense controlling the ball {{ask dave wannstedt, those simple basics have made him very rich}}…when ur offense turns the ball over 5 times, ur gonna give up 30 atleast. that simple.
3rd…with a caretaker QB handing the ball off 40 times a game and sprinkling passes witten and deep to TO, this is a NFC championship caliber team…
im a loyal cowboy fan, i just hope romo doesnt fumble away ANOTHER promising season
look up -- get up -- dont ever give up
A care taker QB would of won maybe 6 games last year.....
The defense isnt good enough to let Romo be like Dilfer…… Look im the biggest Fresno State Fan there is but i still think Delfer was a bust…… he sucked lets be honest….. so you want Romo to suck?
Care taker quarter backs need a run game or a great defense,……. in the last three years we havent had either of those to….. This year we might… so if anything thing maybe he will take better care of the balll this year and cut down the turnovers but to wish for him to be dilfer is stupid.
exatly............ dilfer/ johnson
Have how many superbowls has joshson won……………..1 to `dilfers 1 mfpo…………………………..
johnson wasnt a caretaker
he was a pedestrian…. my point had nothing to do with dilfer specifically, more philosophically. Kerry Collins takes this team to the playoffs last year.
32 teams…i can easily name 8 QB’s that wouldve took us
1…peyton 2…eli 3…big ben 4…brees 5….mcnabb 6…rivers 7….warner 8…cutler 9….flacco 10….ryan 11….collins 12… pennington
{{{ok theres 12 -- over 1/3 of the leagues starters….a few maybe’s? rogers, schaub, cassel, delhomme}}}
romo sux and ya have no head for ball if ya say otherwise…..
look up -- get up -- dont ever give up
kerry collins
Had a dominant running game last year and a great D…. When we have that i will agree but we havent had that in years.
Tennessee = #7 Defense
Dallas = #8 Defense
by Baked Potato Soup on Jun 13, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Tennessee = 4.3 ypc
Dallas = 4.3 ypc
I think the big difference was Dallas threw the ball much more often than Tennessee, leading to more 3 and outs, turnovers, etc. Tennessee ran 31.8 times per game compared to 25.1 per game for the Cowboys. In the last 4 games of the season(1-3), Dallas ran 87 times, including 9 by Romo and 2 by Owens.
I think that falls more in the lap of the offensive coordinator, though. It makes no sense that this O-line supposedly couldn’t handle the blitz and was running well, but the Cowboys upped their passing attempts. Especially given the teams traditionally pass less efficiently toward the end of the year when the weather is worse.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jun 13, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
And
Eli-Isnt a caretaker you ever see him play?
Ryan— Isnt a care taker you ever see him play?
Brees——- Is more of a gunslinger than Romo you watch football right?
Cutler———— Really Just from that alone i know you abousolutly dont know what your talking about.
Ummm
Cutler? He’s basically the same type of QB that Romo is, only Romo is more mobile. Flacco …. yuck. Ryan benefited from a HUGE running game. Collins benefited from a great D. Eli? Meh. Pennington? Gross.
and Romo does not suck. 10,000 yards and 81 TDs in 3 years, to me, doesn’t suck (although the 46 INTs does). Is he perfect? No. Is he a top 5 QB in the league? No. But he’s damn sure better than 75% of the league, in my opinion.
Booyah!
you lose all credibility when you say things like:
romo sux and ya have no head for ball if ya say otherwise…..
I think reasonable minds can differ on whether Romo is or will be successful.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
You just put Culter up there.
No head for ball?
I’m not sure what you mean but I’m guessing it’s something like that we don’t know anything about football.
I know one thing, you put a QB who’s best record is 8-8 and commits as many turnovers as Romo on that list.
Does the 806 stand for the number of times you’ve used narcotics?
it was weird, I... I mean you probably didn't hear about it because I went under the name of Mike Honcho. But I just wanted you to know that. If you can hear me, if it got into your brain somehow. That I spread my buttcheeks as Mike Honcho.
by AirforceBat on Jun 14, 2009 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Would of won if...
I think he may be right that Dallas might have won a playoff game with a mistake free care taker QB. They would not have been 13-3 or been a serious title contender with a low upside QB.
There are lots of things that would have lead to Dallas winning a playoff game. Play at the QB spot has not been this teams top issue.
Hindsight is a lot easier then living in real life.
- Dallas would have won a playoff game if their first match up in 2008 was anyone in the NFC but that years
SB champions
- Dallas would have won multiple playoff games with a solid Safety tandum in 2007 or 2008.
- Dallas would have won a playoff game is they had a few better breaks in the Giants or Seattle game.
- Dallas would have won verse the gaints if Clayton makes a catch that he makes 90% of the time
- Dallas would have won a playoff game if they would have gone after the street free agent corners in
Seattle.
- Dallas would have won a playoff game if the Safety tackling did not cost them two games last season.
you couldn't be more wrong
QB play certainly isn’t the reason we lost 2 playoff games the last 3 years, but it is a huge reason we were actually in the playoffs to begin with.
In Romo we Trust
Terry, Chill on over defending Romo
I gave six other reasons why the Cowboys did not win a playoff game. Romo did not play mistake free football in either playoff loss, nor in December of last year. Neither he or the other Cowboy star players deserve a pass on those team loses. As you point out often, its a team sport, Romo was part of the team that lost. Both losses were close enough that if any of the Cowboy star players had played a career game then the Cowboys would have won. He does not deserve all the criticism he gets, but he does not deserve the free pass that you constantly argue for.
I am not agreeing with the authors implication that the team would be better off replacing Romo with a Trent Dilfer type QB. With rare exception bus driver QBs do not win championships. It happened ONCE in the NFL history, so now we have the Trent Dilfer Model. (Maybe twice if you count Eli) It may happen again in 30 years, but it is not a sound strategy if you want to win it all. On the other hand there are lots of mediocre QB who have gone one and out in the playoffs. If the goal in the NFL was to win a play off game and then lose the next one and go home, then 34+ year old QB who make few mistakes and few big plays can get you there. In fact they have a much better track record then highly talented upstart QBs working on their first playoff win.
I like most fans want to see the Cowboys win a Super Bowl and think that Romo is more then talented enough to give his team a shot. I believe taht you are right with your general point that Romo is exceptionally talented and is still learning the game. His potential to lead this team to the Super Bowl which is why the last three December have been so disappointing. Again, I am not saying its all his fault; but he did not play his best football in those Decembers and he would be the first to tell you that.
I wasn't responding to your post
I never maintained he was faultless, only he can’t be solely to blame as the original post insinuates.
In Romo we Trust
OK
First, you pose an absolutely fair question. But I will ask it differently. In order to be successful, does this team need a record breaking, 4,000 yard, 35 TD passer or one who can make sure we don’t hand an opponent the game in crunch time?
My simple answer to that question is that this is a QB-centric league. Invariably, there are times when your QB has to make plays to keep your team in a game. In fact, if Big Ben didn’t prove that last year, then I don’t know who can.
Personally, I am quite comfortable with Romo at QB, mostly because he gives the Cowboys a chance to be competitive in every game against any opponent. At the same time, I’ve been as critical of his boneheaded miscues as anyone on this blog. Playing QB in the NFL is truly a maturation process and this is really the year where I think Romo will show what his ceiling is.
Peyton Manning won a Super Bowl AFTER he broke the passing TD mark, but only because he publicly announced that he would be a better leader and cut down on his # of turnovers and bad plays. It didn’t take much, in that he only reduced his INT’s by one (although he had 60 more attempts than his big season) and fumbles by three. His average per completion went down, but who noticed? In fact, he actually tucked the ball and rushed for 4 TD’s that season after not having rushed for any the prior 3 seasons. I’d like to see Romo commit to this kind of endeavor (not some BS about arm angles) and emerge as the leader so many of us think he can be.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Good perspective.
it was weird, I... I mean you probably didn't hear about it because I went under the name of Mike Honcho. But I just wanted you to know that. If you can hear me, if it got into your brain somehow. That I spread my buttcheeks as Mike Honcho.
Isnt a caretaker at Quarterback ...
kind of like playing the prevent defense?
You can win by playing the prevent defense, but you have to have a massive lead. It’s similar to winning with a caretaker, in that you have to have wonderful pieces (running game, defense, etc.) around them. Caretakers dont win Super Bowls, other pieces from that team do. In 2000, Trent Dilfer didnt win the Super Bowl for the Ravens. Their defense did. Doug Williams didnt win the Super Bowl for the Redskins in 1987. That offensive line and defense won that championship. Here’s a trivia question: How many regular season games did Doug Williams win in 1987 as a starter? Answer: Zero.
Not neccessarily
Think of Chad Pennington last year in Miami.
He never lit anyone up, but they won closely contested games where he wasn’t the focal point. Joe Flacco is another example. He didn’t throw for 300 yards to win games, but he made the plays neccessary to keep the passing game from from being completely disrespected, which allowed the defense to remain relevant as well.
Said differently, they didn’t always operate with big leads, but also didn’t have to carry the team and lead them from behind big deficits, either. They just knew their job was not to do anything too epic.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
True, but they didnt win anything either.
Pennington got his team to the playoffs and was one and done. And I’m not sure he’s a good example of a caretaker (at least last season) as he threw for 3650 yards, 9th in the NFL.
And Flacco is definitely a caretaker, but had the #1 Defense in point differential, #2 in Yards allowed and #3 in points allowed. That’s what I was saying – you can win with these guys, but the rest of the team has to be exceptional in other areas.
Why?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Confused
Is your definition of a caretaker one who wins playoff games? If so, that’s fine, but isn’t anything close to what I was talking about.
It is simply the difference between a QB who can lead his team to wins using his arm as the catalyst, versus those QB’s whose job it is to ‘not screw it up’.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I think the point is that Pennington
threw the ball quite a bit last season. He was 10th in the NFL in completions and 9th in yards. He was also very efficient. His QB rating was 2nd in the league. So, he wasnt really a caretaker last year because he was winning games last year by airing it out.
my definition of a caretaker
is one who isn’t capable of making plays to lead your team to wins, but one who just doesn’t lose the game for you.
In Romo we Trust
Care takers QBs win games, including playoff games. They seldom win championships.
Uninspired play from the QB position puts a lot of strain on the rest of their team. Talented QB put their team on their back every so often allowing them the grace of winning a few games when they played less then perfect.
I do not include Jeff Hostetler and Doug Williams as Care takers who lead a team to a championship. They played and won the Superbowl, but they were on the coat-tails of better QBs who did most of the work to put their team in that position. If their defenses and running game had to carry them for sixteen games they most likely would have gassed out come playoff time.
Trent Dilfer is really the only QB who was never the key reason for his team to win a game to win to win it all. Even Eli carried the 2007 Giants defense for a few games where the offense put up 300 yards and four touchdowns passing.
I agree
To win a championship with a mediocre, care taker at QB, you have to have a truly dominating, elite defense and great running game…we have neither.
In Romo we Trust
Was Aikman a caretaker?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
absolutely not
Aikman could make plays as well as any qb I’ve ever seen and he did when called upon. His career numbers aren’t great but thats because he was handing off to the greatest RB in the history of the game.
In Romo we Trust
But he had a great running game and great defense
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
That's why the Cowboys of the 90's were so dominant
They had a playmaking QB, playmaking RB, playmaking WR, great O Line and solid defense.
Aikman’s numbers werent all-world because they didnt have to be. But he still won many a game with his right arm. In the 90’s Aikman averaged just under 30 attempts per game. That’s not a caretaker QB.
So should we use # of attempts to flush out who the caretakers are?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
So, your thinking suggests we could have won super bowls without Aikman
…but with a caretaker QB.
Am I reading that right?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
to the original poster
we wouldn’t have won any playoff games in the last 3 years with a care taker at QB, because…..(drum roll please), we wouldn’t have made the playoffs with one like that……we didn’t have a defense like the ravens that would keep opponents to less than 10 points, we didn’t have the best OL and we had TO on the team, all of that would spell a losing season with a care taking QB like dilfer.
by CowboysFanatic on Jun 18, 2009 12:14 PM CDT reply actions
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