Pear Shaped QB Called Out...
by Montecito Tex on Jun 16, 2009 1:07 PM CDT
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PrintAre the Cowboys listening to Tex again? After calling for Brian Stewart's firing in the Nard, before the season began, the Cowboys listened, albeit three months too late, canning the most unqualified "coordinator" in the NFL. Now after a year of calling the best quarterback never to win a playoff game, "pear shaped", the franchise has reportedly described their slippery-fingered signal caller as "bottom heavy". Goes to show the power of Blogging The Boys. To top it off, Dallas used a premium draft pick on the quarterback of the future, per Tex, and have a contingency plan for the most important position in sports. Now, if the franchise could only swap the roles of Garrett and Phillips and put a restraining order on the Simpsons.
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I'm trying not to react here...
but this is ridiculous.
All is not well in Cowboyland.
As I have been saying, this is a defining moment in Romo’s career. If he doesn’t deliver, he won’t survive the media pressure that ensues. He’s just not emotionally mature and strong enough to endure another off season of dashed hopes from Cowboys Nation.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Maybe if he fails
Drew Henson will come back and fulfill Tex’s wildest dreams!
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.
-Winston Churchill
Ok
so they’re asking him to be in better shape. Good. If they didn’t ask him to …. that would be a bigger story.
Booyah!
not true
Romo is in shape, the article said he needs to maintain his training late into the season.
In Romo we Trust
Why does he slack off
This seems like a huge warning sign. It also suggests his play in December was partly due to this work ethic issue.
by I_miss_Switzer on Jun 17, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions
the NFL season is brutal
I think it’s natural not to want to lift late in the year when you’re banged up and hurting, although in my opinion his December play has nothing to to with conditioning, it has to do with better decision making.
In Romo we Trust
Maybe it is sympathy weight
…to make Jessica feel better?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
haha.......
I was going to say it, but I was afraid I would be blasted by some of the guys. Maybe, they could go to Over-Eaters Anonymous or Weight Watchers together (just kidding).
I was thinking of you Tex, when I read that line about our "bottom heavy" QB
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
Apparently they did
From the Fort Worth Star Telegram:
“Word from Valley Ranch is [Garrett] had a come-to-Jesus meeting with QB Tony Romo this off-season where he basically told him to get his butt in better shape.
The description used was “bottom heavy” and the message was more "We love you but … " than butt kicking. What The Redheaded Genius told him was, basically, become a better finisher."
I did
and I didn’t see any quote coming from Garrett, all I saw was Engel putting bottom heavy in quotes.
Any writer can put any word or phrase in quotes, it doesn’t mean it came directly from a source.
In Romo we Trust
Okay Terry
I guess nothing anyone ever writes means anything, unless it suits your perception of Romo, then it is fine and credible journalism.
by I_miss_Switzer on Jun 17, 2009 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions
mc engle
are you kidding me? you put value into her words? she knows nothing. never says anything useful and her style is more fit for the national enquirer. that’s here angle. not sports analysis and writing.
by CowboysFanatic on Jun 18, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Was I defending the source?
No. As others have pointed out, that is a quote, even if Terry doesn’t like it or agree with it.
by I_miss_Switzer on Jun 18, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
It is a quote if it quotes someone
which it appears to do
by I_miss_Switzer on Jun 18, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
That's the definition of a quote, Terry
When Engel says that Garrett used the description “bottom heavy” he is quoting Garrett.
What am I missing here?
It is about Romo
so if it isn’t positive it is made up
by I_miss_Switzer on Jun 17, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Terry
Come on.
You’re being ridiculous.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
yeah, what's the big deal anyway??
It’s not the first time that a player has been told to be in shape. It actually is a positive sign that Garrett is stepping up to the plate and appears to be telling the guys to get with the program if you know what I mean.
I really think wade is effectively HC in name only
Seems more like a joint head coach approach—JG is the offensive HC and Wade the defensive HC.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
sure did
In their three playoff games including the SB, the defense allowed 10 total points (7 of which was scored by the Patriots in the 4th quarter of the SB—what wade calls garbage time).
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
Why should Romo have to be prompted to get in shape?
When you are a professional athlete, you would think that wouldn’t even be i question.
WELCOME HOME SEVEN!!
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jun 16, 2009 8:46 PM CDT reply actions
he wasn't prompted to get in shape
he was prompted to stay in shape throughout the season…big difference.
In Romo we Trust
Why does he needed to be prompted for that
You have told us he is the most dedicated player on the team with a superior work ethic.
by I_miss_Switzer on Jun 17, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions
He obviously was dedicated to getting his eat and drink on this off season
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Getting in Shape vs. Staying in Shape
That is a distinction without a difference
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
Romo isn't an Athlete... he's a Celebrity Quarterback
Romo uses the quarterback position for the Dallas Cowboys as an audition for the Bachelor. No one would ever confuse the “pear-shaped QB” for an athlete, he’s become a celebrity… and that’s much more important. Actresses mean more than playoff wins. Workouts are less important than late-night Hollywood appearances. The Pro Bowl or an US Weekly Cover? Tex would like to root for this poor-man’s Brody Jenner, but the kid just doesn’t get it and will never win a playoff game in Dallas. Romo isn’t alone, a lot of athletes change their attitude and get soft once that fat contract hits. Unfortunately, at 29, an age when Brady and Aikman had already won 3 Super Bowls, there is no going back to what made him appealing – understated and hard working. He’s a Celebrity Quarterback. and Tex is waiting for the sex tape.
-1
Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/
by silverblue5 on Jun 16, 2009 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions
What can I say here that won't be offensive....
you watch the bachelor? Seriously? My wife doesn’t watch the bachelor and she’s a 25 year old female. Hope you catch the rumors going on the OC.
it was weird, I... I mean you probably didn't hear about it because I went under the name of Mike Honcho. But I just wanted you to know that. If you can hear me, if it got into your brain somehow. That I spread my buttcheeks as Mike Honcho.
by AirforceBat on Jun 17, 2009 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Hey Tex
I have one small request of you, if Romo leads us to our first playoff win this year and has, by most accounts, a good season, will you come on here an post a retraction? A good sized rant about how you were wrong and he is the quarterback of the future?
First to six!!!
Romo is a great athlete
He’s a 2 time pro bowler in football. He’s a professional-level golfer. He can own the court in basketball. He played tennis in high school. Your comment makes no sense.
I know you just spit these opinions to get a rise out of the rest of us, Tex, But next you make one of your ridiculous claims, have some truth to it.
He is not a professional level golfer
He is a 2.0 handicap who falls in water hazards.
In defense of Tex (dangerous territory, I know), I think he is speaking to Romo’s mental approach and devotion as opposed to physical talent.
by I_miss_Switzer on Jun 17, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
I know what Tex is getting at
but I’m trying to point out that his dislike of Romo causes him to make ridiculous statements. I’m not coming to Romo’s defense on his mental approach to football.
Off topic, but
Have you ever played golf? do you undertand how good a 2 handcap is? most people can’t be a 2 handicap golfer let a lone a 2 handicap golfer and a professional quarterback. He’s a great athlete. whether you like or dislike him give him that much.
Texas Stadium has a hole in the roof so God can watch his favorite team play football.
On topic
Is he a professional level golfer? No. Full stop.
I like Romo, I loathe hyperbole.
You can’t swing a cat without hitting a low handicapper.
by I_miss_Switzer on Jun 20, 2009 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions
did I say he
was a pro level golfer? no. I just said a 2 handicap is extremely good. He’s a amatuer golfer I understand that. there r currently 60 amatuer golfers who made the cut at the US open. So He’s in pretty god company. keep in mind I never said he was a pro, just that he is very very good.
My basic point is that you can’t say Romo is not a great athlete.he is. he plays a professional sport at an all-star level, and also plays close to professional level golf. that’s all I’m saying. love him or hate him he’s a great athlete.
Texas Stadium has a hole in the roof so God can watch his favorite team play football.
You took issue with my post
I never said he was not a good athlete; I said he is not a professional-level golfer.
Obviously any NFLer has tremendous athletic gifts.
Go back and re-read the posts and sort yourself out. Highlight where I said he is not a great athlete. Quote it directly, cut and paste.
Do you think the Ams who made the cut are 2.0 indexes? Get real.
by I_miss_Switzer on Jun 21, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions
who
knows they r amatuers. the cut was +4. most likely they’re not 2.0’s but you never know
Texas Stadium has a hole in the roof so God can watch his favorite team play football.
You aren't getting a full ride on a 2.0 index
Again, highlight where I said Romo is not a great athlete. Support your assertion. You seem to have dodged that in your first response.
by I_miss_Switzer on Jun 21, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
ok....
he is not a great athlete
2 posts above.
Texas Stadium has a hole in the roof so God can watch his favorite team play football.
Full quote
“I never said he was not a good athlete; I said he is not a professional-level golfer.”
I will accept this as your acknowledgement of fault.
You sure backed out of this discussion with haste, but without dignity.
by I_miss_Switzer on Jun 22, 2009 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions
a 2 handicap is a great golfer, but he is 100,000 practice balls aways from being even a lousy pro
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
If you are a good golfer that makes you a good athlete????
Since when??? Did anybody ever watch Jon Daly
I've known quite a few excellent athletes
who didn’t look the part.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
He is not even close to being a professional level golfer
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
Not even close?
I apoligize for mis-speaking as I dont golf. But he’s a two handicap and he’s not even close to professional level? He might not be at it, but he’s definitely close.
That is not close
Take it from a 4 handicap who has been a 2. There is a massive gulf between a 2 handicap and a grinder on the Nationwide Tour. A two handicap is like a career backup in Div II football – not really close to professional level.
by I_miss_Switzer on Jun 17, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Parse some more golf terms would ya
Romo is a very good golfer. Emphasis on the very good. Is he in the top 100 pro’s, hell no?
But to give a guy flack for his comment is stupid.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Jun 17, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Stupid is a nice word,
Do you consider that that increases the level of discourse on this blog? I don’t. “Would ya” is also impolite.
There are enough fanciful claims about Romo without someone saying that he is a “professional level golfer”. It is wholly inaccurate. It is not a matter of parsing terms.
The poster noted that he doesn’t know much about golf and I was trying to enlighten him. I don’t think it was flack, just information. There is a massive gulf between a club player with a 2 cap and a touring professional.
by I_miss_Switzer on Jun 17, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I think your preoccupation with golf on a football blog is stupid
I don’t think it raises the “level of discourse” one friggin iota. To compound it with your own bragging is sad.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Jun 17, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Bragging
Whatever. 2 handicaps are a dime a dozen. 4 handicaps more so. I have never won a thing. I really didn’t mean that as a boast.
It is a preoccupation with accuracy, not golf.
Why don’t you let the poster determine if I was giving him flack instead of wading in full of judgement and base language?
You thinking something is stupid is hardly condemnation, by the way.
by I_miss_Switzer on Jun 17, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Base language?
You must have the sensitivity of a 12 year old girl.
I’ll comment where I please, that’s what a blog is for.
Nice way to destroy your entire argument against my innocuous statement with this gem.
You thinking something is stupid is hardly condemnation, by the way.
Can you say hypocritical?
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Jun 17, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions
It doesn't offend me
I think it is rude to the hosts of the blog and I do not aspire to be ill-mannered on their site. I also think it lowers the overall quality of the discussion. That is my opinion, it is your opinion that it enhances the blog, and we disagree.
How is it hypocritical for me to suggest that your opinion on something is of little relevance or impact?
I continue to note that TCB has not in any way suggested that I was giving him flack as you have. Have you considered the fact that your interpretation of our exchange was completely wrong?
Perhaps you are being unduly sensitive, but I won’t compare you to a 12 year old girl because I don’t see what is wrong with children, and in particular, girls. If you consider that to be an insult I will leave it to your conscience.
by I_miss_Switzer on Jun 17, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Nice Post
Taking the high ground can be very hard at times, as discussions can get hot-headed over the most trivial of details.
Kudos for your mature posts. You’re behaving like a wise man, not a 12 year old.
-1
Don’t encourage him.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Jun 17, 2009 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Encourage what exactly
To disagree with you, and take issue with your opinions and involvement?
Speaking of hypocrisy, you jumped into this thread because you felt I gave “flack” to TCB. Now you are advising kindablue not to get involved.
by I_miss_Switzer on Jun 17, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Grow up
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Jun 17, 2009 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions
My response to kindablue was jokingly
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Jun 17, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I apologize for offending you
I certainly don’t think what I posted was overly harsh. I’m just sick of the golf talk.
My conscience doesn’t bother me in the least. BTW
How is it hypocritical for me to suggest that your opinion on something is of little relevance or impact?
Then why did you respond to my comment?
And how is this
Whatever. 2 handicaps are a dime a dozen
more rude and offensive than this?
"Would ya" is also impolite.
At any rate I’m not going to argue any further with someone who wants to argue for the sake of arguing. I apologized.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Jun 17, 2009 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I re-read the thread
And it I do come off harsher than I thought when writing, so really I do apologize.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Jun 17, 2009 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Dang, how could I have missed all this?
In response to Switzer, no I wasnt offended. However I do think your response was a little semantical as obviously the point I was trying to make was that Romo plays several sports well.
Your analogy regarding a 2 handicap in golf being like a back-up at a D2 school in football was actually quite informative.
He definitely plays pretty well
There are just many fanciful claims about him – and of course they do not all come from you.
Glad I could be of assistance in some way.
by I_miss_Switzer on Jun 18, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
No Romo claim is a dumb
as SI putting Jordan on teh cover implying he was tour calibre. I think he was about a 7 cap at the time and has had a reputation as a reverse sandbagger.
by I_miss_Switzer on Jun 18, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
There is a massive gulf between a 2 handicap and a grinder on the Nationwide Tour.
This is exactly right, and good for making the pro a “grinder on the Nationwide Tour” not a PGA tour player. Those guys play an entirely different game from the guys playing in country clubs across the country. I once watched Nick Faldo on the practice range. He had a 7 iron and was hitting a bucket of ball. He was so precise that his shots were landing in the exact same place on the practice range. The practice shots were bouncing on top of each other. It was unreal.
A 2 handicap is a threat to win his country club championship, and is a great teammate to have in better ball play. That same guy is thousands of hours of practice from being a legit pro.
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
I agree
and that’s the key, the low handicapper simply doesn’t devote the hours needed to become that good.
The average pro hits 5,000 balls per day in addition to playing 2 rounds each day, an amatuer can’t even come close to that.
In Romo we Trust
How much time does the average pro have?
5,000 balls plus 36 holes? And that is the average?
by I_miss_Switzer on Jun 18, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions
dude, that's what they do for a living
Tiger Woods gets up at 6am every day to lift weights, eats breakfast at 8am, then hits 2,500 balls and plays 9 holes, eats lunch, hits another 2,500 balls, plays 18 holes, then either putts for a few hours until dark. The schedule was on the Golf Channel one time.
These guys are like machines, especially the elite golfers like Tiger.
In Romo we Trust
Terry
I don’t quibble with the amount of time, but there is no way someone could play nine holes and hit 2,500 balls between breakfast and lunch. those guys hit about 3 balls per minute when they practice, sometimes less if they are working on their swing between shots. Every practice shot has a distinct purpose, and that takes time.
I also think the hands and shoulders would get very sore and stiff at that volume. I think Vijay considers 500 a full day, and he hits more balls than anyone – he is OCD about range time.
by I_miss_Switzer on Jun 18, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
what's
a massive gulf?
Texas Stadium has a hole in the roof so God can watch his favorite team play football.
Let's be fair...
How many years had Brady and Aikman started when they won their 3 Superbowls? Romo hasn’t even started for 3 full seasons yet.
And tell me where his “Celebrity” originated? Tony Romo first gained national attention with his play, not his lifestyle. What came later is a direct result of the attention he garnered with his play. The media leeches don’t bother to report what medicore players are up to. For example, what were last year’s starting QBs for San Francisco, Tampa Bay or Kansas City up to this summer? I think you get my point.
Look, Romo has put up great numbers as a starting QB. The only thing he hasn’t done is break through with that first playoff win. It’s coming and when it does there will be plenty more.
Garrett needs to get a clue!
What's changed
is the scrutiny teams and players get. I seriously doubt that Haley or Irvin (to name just two) could have held up to today’s 24/7 coverage complete with rush-to-judgment.
It’s hard to understand the venom you get from fans – even on this site – about a QB who has set records and performed at a high level for their favorite team. Somehow the expectation has become that either he perform perfectly and live a life of a monk or he’s letting them down personally.
I’d love for JFE or even some of the bloggers here to allow us to pick apart their personal lives with the same tenacity – did you see who Terry is dating?? Did you see the stupid grin on Grizz’s face after that lame article? I don’t think apple-shaped Carl is taking his job seriously – he really faded at the end of that post. He must be out of shape.
I’m with you, and probably the less vocal majority, here. He’s an excellent QB who has some things to clean up in game but offers the most hope at that position since Troy was healthy and had an O-line.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Romo's a Skinny Fat Man
Have always agreed with you on that one Tex. I think his lack of conditioning shows how much he is focused on football cares about the ring. He is an athlete but so is John Daly.
If the Cowboys could only play like a team with passion and unity like my beloved
Boston Celtics, I would be happy.
by Captain Comeback on Jun 17, 2009 12:20 PM CDT reply actions
What a glaring endorsement.
it was weird, I... I mean you probably didn't hear about it because I went under the name of Mike Honcho. But I just wanted you to know that. If you can hear me, if it got into your brain somehow. That I spread my buttcheeks as Mike Honcho.
by AirforceBat on Jun 17, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Did anybody read the article?! Did you read but only get what backs up your view.
The fact that Romo has already responded tells you the meeting took place earlier. Probably at the end of the season when you meet with your position coach and he tells you what he wants from you and what you need to work on. "Come to Jesus meeting, "thats nothing but journalistic hyperbole. Every team in the league meets with every player thats coming back and lays this out.
Romo only comes in good enough shape to play well at the beginning of the season but fades down the stretch. WTF! You fitness buffs tell me a bout a routine that gets you in enough shape to last 6 months without continueing to work out. Basically JG told him he has to fight though pain and injuries and stay conditioned for the end of the season if he wants continued success. Great point, but somehow I feel like alot more guys than just Romo got that same message
Romo got a message he needed and seems to responded. Its all good.
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the goverment from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
exactly
McEngle is the stupidest sports writer I know. often her articles are about flaming, more national enquirer type than analysis and informative. she is still trying to keep alive the TO days, with news from the ranch….come to jesus meeting!!! are you kidding me. she sucks.
by CowboysFanatic on Jun 18, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Here's my take on Romo
I think he’s got a lot of talent, and until now, I had never heard anyone question his work ethic. Perhaps this is a situation where he was working hard, but just not on the right things, so the coaches are trying to tweak his focus. Hopefully it wasn’t a lazy thing.
I do worry about Romo as a franchise qb. He acts like he’s not into the celebrity thing, but he’s only dated famous celebrities. There are plenty of hot girls for Romo to date, but he’s obviously attracted to the fame and attention that dating a celebrity brings. Plus, I know this sounds silly, but when he started wearing that hat to the press conferences last year it felt very much like he was focusing more on his celebrity image. Like his publicist wanted to establish a “look” for him.
Maybe you can do both, focus on being a celebrity and being a great athlete. I’d prefer if he just did the latter.
For me, I wouldn’t dream of replacing Romo unless he had at least one, if not two, more disappointing years. He’s shown too much talent, and its too hard to find a replacement, to not allow him a full opportunity.
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His work ethic has been questioned
Right around every Thanks Giving game and a new girlfriend pops up or taking a vacation before the biggest playoff game in your life.
by Sharksbreath on Jun 17, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
True
But all I’ve ever read is that he’s a gym rat and loves to study tape, etc. You don’t hear much that Romo isn’t prepared for the games, etc. However, there was some talk about his practice habits last year, so maybe he’s not the workaholic that he’s made out to be. Hard to tell with all the bs flying around in the press.
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by cowboysuberfan on Jun 18, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure undrafted FAs
who end up in the pro bowl multiple times have great work ethics or they wouldn’t end up there to begin with.
Until we have success in the playoffs, all these BS stories about Romo will surface.
In Romo we Trust
Exactly
I have had the exact same feelings regarding the questions around his work ethic for a long time. If Tony Romo actually was a slacker, how in the hell did he manage to go from an undrafted free agent to a pro bowl QB? It just doesn’t make sense logically, and it especially doesn’t fit considering the stories I have read about him throwing after practice and at night back when he was the back-up. I think this is another example of where fans need to relax and take some perspective on the whole situation.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Jun 18, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Good points
Agreed, for Romo to get from where he started to where he is, that’s probably all the evidence we need of a good work ethic. I think the bottom heavy stuff is totally blown out of proportion…we just need stuff to read during the slow days of summer.
How do you feel about his inclination towards being a celebrity moreso than just a football player? He plays the “I don’t care about that crap” line pretty well, but his actions betray his words.
Again, I’m not sure that attempting to be a celebrity keeps him from being a great quarterback. I can’t see how its not a distraction.
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by cowboysuberfan on Jun 19, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Here's a great reason for not listening to
JFE or anyone else who pretends to know what Romo thinks or does. Some of you guys are seriously ridiculous.
“There was no such meeting,” Romo said. “We live in a world where it’s sensationalized. When you see something or hear something, you write it. That’s completely false. If there’s anything those guys tell me, it’s to throttle back sometimes just because I do a lot of running playing soccer and basketball and stuff to stay in shape, plus the stuff we do. So when you hear stuff like that, people don’t know.”
On Monday Romo talked about the importance of maintaining his conditioning during the course of the season and that he will do more clean and squat work in the weight room to be stronger later in the season.
“I mean, [clean and squat lifting] is not an explosive move to be a quarterback against an opponent,” Romo said. “But I feel it’s been very beneficial to me over the years to do that. And as you do that going forward, it only helps you continue to take hits during the year. I think that was the whole mindset. The goal was to be able to have strong legs at the end of the year to withstand some of the shots you take as the season progresses.” bq.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Welcome back Dunk
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Jun 17, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Conditioning
1) This report has been contradicted as pointed out above.
2) Its awfully hard to lift in the middle of the season when you are battling a broken finger and a deeply bruised back.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
+1 - these guys take an absolute battering
I don’t think anyone on this blog, tex included, has any idea what these guys have to endure. I was fortunate enough to play a round of golf with Carson Palmer. I asked him if he played during the season – he said it was impossible – his body was too sore.
Now if you are too sore during 17 weeks of battering to play an old man’s game like golf – how tough would it be to maintain a lifting program – let alone when you are seriously injured.
"Where's Woody? - We need another Darren Woodson
McMahon said this yesterday during his practice coverage
My understanding is the concern with Romo’s conditioning is more about what he’s doing to maintain it during the season. His off-season work ethic, in the weight room and on the field, has never been a worry.
Now I wonder if by “bottom heavy” someone was referring to the core/lower body work he does (squats and cleans), that maybe he was sacrificing some of his explosiveness for strength. Of course, that’s a different topic from not working out.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
exactly
bottom heavy really isn’t about being fat or out of shape, it means that you’re solid and muscular from the waist down, which is what you want to be as a football player.
I knew athletes who were 180 lbs who were bottom heavy.
In Romo we Trust
well consider the source
I don’t mean to sound anti-feminist :-), but Jennifer McEngle might have misunderstood the word bottom heavy, with fat arse.
by CowboysFanatic on Jun 18, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Thats it cut Romo right now
I want to go back to the good ole days of, Quincy Carter, Drew Hensen, Ryan Leaf, Clint Stoerner, Anthony Wright, Vinny Testaverde, and Drew Bledsoe(aka Tex). Back then, we had guys under center that we could depend on, unlike the guy now who has a weak 91.4 QB rating, only 3,448 yds(what you could get 5,000 hack), and a weak 26 TDs.
Dont forget Henson on Tex's post. That is/was truely his boy.
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the goverment from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
Great Post
Although I have to say I seriously cringed when you read off those names because I have come to the realization that as a college student they make up most of my memories of the Cowboys.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Jun 18, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
No doubt
and think about being a fan of a team with a probable bad QB situation instead of an imaginary bad one – Tampa Bay, Minnesota, Oakland, Detroit, Denver, St Louis, SF, NYJ… The over-analysis of teams and players is pretty out of control when you have QBs as good as the Cowboy’s who still get talked about like they have no place in the league.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Jennifer Floyd Engels
…known locally as the “Little Ball of Hate” writes a story that infers Romo is a fat ass, who barely is in shape at the beginning of the season and is told by the coach he has to work harder to be in shape at the end of the season.
Romo responds and says that meeting didn’t take place, the report was completely false. He then goes on to discuss that he is going to do more cleans and squats to be more durable at the end of the year.
Where does the truth lie? If we all knew EXACTLY what happened we would probably see that both are telling the truth as they understand it. Remember the Indian proverb about the blind men who were positioned around an elephant and were asked to describe what an elephant was like. The guy at the back, holding the tail said the elephant was like a long rope. The guy at the leg said the elephant resembled a tree and the guy at the side said the elephant was like a great wall. All were true, according to what info they had.
Whenever you read an article by a reporter you have to remember the story is from their perspective, and they may not have the 360 degree view.
Now, with that said, would anyone say that Ben Roethlesberger is a svelte athlete? He looks like your beer chugging neighbor, not a pro athlete. Does anyone think if Big Ben played for the Cowboys last year, we would be Super Bowl winners? It’s impossible to say, but I don’t think so because this is a team game….
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
I agree with you, with this caveat
A rational approach, whether you are a blogger or professional reported, would be to aoid letting a small snippet reinforce your biases. As much crap as Terry takes for being reflexively pro-Romo, there was an avalanche of “Romo is a loser who doesn’t care” being posted.
The second thing I’d note is that if it just sounds wrong, it probably is. I would venture to say that no starting QB in the NFL these days could get away with being out of shape. Even if they lacked the drive, their coaches and GMs wouldn’t allow it.
Not everyone looks like TO no matter how much they work out, so comparing physiques is a pointless drill used by folks like Tex who think they can divine the whole of a man’s character without knowing the person.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
And I meant to add...
Is it really probable that Garrett would tell a local reporter with the moniker “Little Balls of Hate” that the franchise QB is overweight / out of shape? It doesn’t pass the smell test for me.
I think it’s possible that she misunderstood a comment that he was perhaps heavy legged late in the season for all the reasons Romo himself discussed – ficus on power lifting moves, inability to continue weight training after his two injuries…
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
With every post like this whether true or not...
I tend to agree with OSA above.
Who are you going to just get that is a better QB than Romo?
The grass is not always greener. I’d rather put up with some knucklehead mistakes and know that Dallas has a shot to win every game then go through 8 more years of rotational QB’s.
It’s easier for a QB to get better then to get a rookie and think you’re going to be good for years to come.
it was weird, I... I mean you probably didn't hear about it because I went under the name of Mike Honcho. But I just wanted you to know that. If you can hear me, if it got into your brain somehow. That I spread my buttcheeks as Mike Honcho.
OR...
You can do what the Skins did and publically pull the rug out from under their young, developing and apparently talented QB with no other real option on the roster.
I prefer your approach – work with what you have and enjoy what he brings to the table.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Tex sure did get a lot of people stirred up with this one..
At least Romo has a month to get it in gear, lose 15 pounds and get his head out of Jessica
by torchindefenses on Jun 18, 2009 3:37 PM CDT reply actions
why would he want to lose 15 lbs???
That would put him at 209 lbs and at 6-2 he would be much to thin and frail for the position. If anything, I think he should gain some weight in his upper body, I’d like to see him at a solid 230.
In Romo we Trust
I think you hit the nail on the head, Terry
It’s where he needs to position the weight. It needs to be muscle weight (which weighs more than fat anyway) in his legs and upper body and less on his ass.
And you know his body composition how?
This is tabloid stuff – create a storyline and sell, sell, sell.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Roger Staubach was 6'3" and 197 LBS......
I wouldn’t exactly call him thin and frail….Would you? I’m not saying he necessarily needs to lose weight etc. just saying that Roger (the Dodger) played about 25 lbs. less than Romo. Joe Montana’s playing weight was 200 Lbs. 6’2" also.
Troy was bigger than 219, he was closer to 230
and Roger played in the 70s when the athletes were much smaller over all. Mike Webster was a 250 lbs HOF center, you think he could hold at that weight today?? Obviously no.
Jack Ham was a 215 lbs HOF OLB, you think he could play OLB at 215 today?? Obviously no.
In Romo we Trust
Terry, I don't really care about Romo's weight......
because I happen to agree with you in your earlier post that Romo’s problems late in the season “appear” to be more mental. That being said, you are incorrect on Aikman. I just pulled up Troy Aikman’s statistics off of his personal website. It says that Troy is 6’04" and weighed 220 LBS. unless you think he’s lying, which I don’t think is true. Hey, bottom line is, this is the off season, if and that’s an if, the coaches feel Romo needs to drop a few, then so be it. Doesn’t really matter at this point. I’m not advocating that like some of the others, I’m just saying, that maybe it wouldn’t hurt his stamina in the long run if he did drop a few lbs. to get thru the grind of a very long season. Not to split hairs with you, but Jack Ham was 225 LBS at his playing weight.
how do you know the coaches feel that way??
Because some hack like Jennifer Engel reported it?? Give me a break. Until I actually read a direct quote from any of the coaches or hear it from their mouth, I’m not believing it for a second.
Hurt his stamina?? You got to be kidding about that as well. The guy constantly plays soccer and basketball in the off season, I’m willing to be their isn’t another qb in the league that’s in better shape than Romo.
BTW, I’ve spoken with Jack Ham about his weight during his playing days(he’s from my hometown), he says he never played a down over 220, he was usually around 215.
In Romo we Trust
Terry, you need to re-read my post with your glasses......
I never said the coaches “definitely feel that way.” I said, IF the coaches feel that Romo does need to lose weight. Why are we even arguing about this? This is a pointless argument. This is the off-season and if he’s out of shape, half-way in shape, kinda in shape, kinda out of shape, sorta kinda in shape, sorta kinda out of shape I could care less. Take it at that. You love to twist my words around and focus on one little word. How do you know that Romo “constantly plays soccer and basketball in the offseason?” Were you there? I don’t think so. If you’ll reread my post, I was agreeing with you that I felt that part of Romo’s late season dive is because of the mental aspect and not necessarily the weight. However, I find it kinda interesting that both Romo and Roy are both talking about being in better physical condition. Roy has been working out extra hard and trying to drop a few pounds this off season as well-it has been verified on the DC.com website. I guess that’s incorrect too, because it didn’t come from the coaches either huh?
Yeah
And Romo probably uses the cart to get around the golf course.
Everything's looking up, Milhouse!
by accidental innuendo on Jun 19, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I dunno
6’3" and 197 really is pretty petite for today’s NFL. In Roger’s time, the D-linemen were all much smaller. Bob Lilly was 6-5, 260.
I am not sure Romo should gaiin any weight, but I do think more work on the upper body might help with ball security in the pocket.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
I'm not arguing one way or the other......but.....
Drew Brees is 6"00" 209 LBS. and Jeff Garcia is listed at 6’01" 200 LBS. Both are pretty mobile in the pocket. All I’m saying is maybe, and that’s a maybe, if he did drop a few lbs. he might be a little shiftier at the end of the season. I don’t know, I’m just throwing it out there.
Brees is more around 5'11"
according to an interview I heard him do. That equates to Romo’s weight.
I don’t think Romo’s shiftiness was as much a weight problem last season as it was his back injury. He seems to be fairly consistent with weight arounf 224 lbs.
But I could be wrong.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
I think he was originally listed out of coillege as
6’3", which translates to 6’2" in the real world.
I think that’s the consensus height.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
I've seen Romo in person and I think they're stretching it
when they say he’s 6’2". Don’t mean to start anything because I’m not trying to bash Romo, but they were saying on the Michael Irvin Show yesterday or today that he looked “pudgy” at practice. If you look at other QB’s like Brady 6’04 225 LBS. and Peyton Manning 6’05 230 LBS. it wouldn’t hurt Romo to drop a little weight to help with his conditioning.
I love Irvin
but since the whole TO thing, I really question his objectivity when it comes to Romo. But I admit that I am one of those people who thinks that Jones, Garrett and Phillips are self- interested enough to take on Tony Romo if he’s not meeting the standard. They’ve said it and I tend to believe it.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
What is Romo's weight right now?
Listed when?
by torchindefenses on Jun 18, 2009 11:54 PM CDT reply actions
that certainly isn't fat for being 6-2
anyone who actually thinks Romo looks over weight either needs glasses or a new prescription.
In Romo we Trust
Uggg offseason
The fact that this is being talked about is just crazy.
If I looked at him and was like “that dude looks fat” it would be one thing, but he doesn’t.
This is just grasping for straws until some actual news happens, maybe Pat Watkins will pull a keith davis and get shot in the ass or something. Jeez.
it was weird, I... I mean you probably didn't hear about it because I went under the name of Mike Honcho. But I just wanted you to know that. If you can hear me, if it got into your brain somehow. That I spread my buttcheeks as Mike Honcho.
by AirforceBat on Jun 19, 2009 7:27 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Romo has a classic underachiever complex.....
The guy is one of those people (I can definitely relate to it, because I’m similar) — who has amazing potential, and can have periods of time where his work ethic is excellent… But if he doesn’t have superiors standing over him, giving him that positive reinforcement, and forcing him to work hard — He will slack off. He’s also used to losing now, and that’s a hard habit to break — even if you aren’t a loser, sometimes you get so used to losing that you can’t even see when you’re about to win — and then you blow it.
by hakrjak on Jun 19, 2009 4:40 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Well said hak
Hit the nail on the head there. I’m hoping he gets over it this year, otherwise it just reinforces the issue.
And I’m very similar too.
Everything's looking up, Milhouse!
by accidental innuendo on Jun 19, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Or not
I guess what bugs me the most is all this psycho-analysis from behind the keyboard. You don’t know him, I don’t know him. So we all guess what he’s like, what is going on in his head and in the locker room.
I’m not saying that you are wrong or right. I am saying that if you guys are honest with yourselves, you’d admit that you really have no idea.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Dunk...
I’ve been saying that for a while man.
Too many people negatively AND positively act like they just got back from hanging out with him.
it was weird, I... I mean you probably didn't hear about it because I went under the name of Mike Honcho. But I just wanted you to know that. If you can hear me, if it got into your brain somehow. That I spread my buttcheeks as Mike Honcho.
Sorry, I'm just being a smart alec..........
You do realize don’t you, that half the time when I get on these arguments, is because a lot of the defenders act like they know him inside and out. Therefore, I feel compelled to argue. Don’t know why that is, but whenever someone says something so over the top like they know someone and how they are feeling etc. it pushes me to say something the opposite.
It's cool...
I used to be like that, now I just laugh and leave smartass comments.
Same with the way there are some people that project players as the next Tony Dorsett or something.
It’s like.. hey lets just push the breaks a little.
it was weird, I... I mean you probably didn't hear about it because I went under the name of Mike Honcho. But I just wanted you to know that. If you can hear me, if it got into your brain somehow. That I spread my buttcheeks as Mike Honcho.
Well said AFB
It really makes me laugh when people speak definitively about players like they actually know them. It’s childlike to actually believe your fantasy that you know the person. I’ve been as critical as anyone else about Tony Romo but none of us know how hard he works (or doesn’t). I only know what I see on the field and things I’ve heard him say.
by StillHateTheGiants on Jun 20, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
How exacly is he used to losing. He has won way more than he has lost.
The guy came from nowhere undrafted FA and has been to2 out of 3 pro bowls. 2 playoffs loses where there was enough blame to go around. All of the sudden he is a loser and slacker.
I love to blog but I will tell you it amazes me how something is printed by a media person that no one trusts hits the blog and suddenly it grows intoa bona fide fact.
Sports, where wins come and go and losses hang around like a stale fart .
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the goverment from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
It’s tough to break a stereotype
Everything's looking up, Milhouse!
by accidental innuendo on Jun 19, 2009 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions
The media is guilty of the same crap
Seriously, where did JFE or JJT earn their degree in leadership that they are so eager to prescribe for Romo or TO or Garrett or anyone else? My guess is that they couldn’t lead a pack of Boy Scouts out of a box, but they have all the answers.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
They are not paid to lead
Their job is to report and in some cases provide commentary. I’m no defender of the press but why would you expect them to be expert in leadership?
by StillHateTheGiants on Jun 20, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I might be speaking out of turn but
I think that was the point. How can you write about leadership when you wouldnt know it if it bit you in the ass.
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the goverment from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
I don't buy that argument at all
Using that logic, what exactly could “writers” comment on? How well written someone else’s work is?
Do you have an opinion about how well your children’s teachers do their job? How about how well the mechanic fixes your car? I’ve never agreed with the idea that the only people who can have a valid opinion about something are those directly involved. Outside of sports, can “leaders” have an opinion about race if they’re not a minority? Gender issues?
I’m no fan of most of the media and agree most have an agenda that they look for “facts” to support. I just don’t agree that someone in the media could never be qualified to comment on this topic.
by StillHateTheGiants on Jun 21, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Running purely off opinion is great
on a personal level. When you make a living at it, you bring in experts to help with things you don’t know. That’s actually a media standard everywhere else. During war, they bring in retired military. When analyzing economics, they bring in – surprise! – economists. Who want Matt Lauer’s personal and uninformed opinion about the recession??
On the other hand, these sports guys are absolutely destroying the reputations of guys like Romo, Witten and even TO with very little inside knowledge (you have to live in an organization to understand it) and no expertise or supporting expertise from the outside to come to these conclusions. So yeah, I have a problem with it. In the media these “opinions” take on a life of their own, unlike your opinion about teachers or mine about my next door neighbor. I Definitely need to know what JJT’s qualifications are to judge players and coaches when he makes his damaging pronouncements
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
I'm only questioning
their qualifications to judge these players. First, it’s really, really hard to be outside an organization and judge who is a leader and who is not. In fact, about impossible when it’s this type of informal leadership they are looking for. Second, I have serious doubts that these guys have anything in their background that would qualify them to preach to/about players and their leadership or lack thereof.
The whole thing has become ludicrous and it would be funny if they weren’t denting people’s reputations along the way to make a buck selling headlines.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Funniest thing about this whole "Romo is out of shape" thing is this...
It’s all bullsh*t and never happened. Tony was asked about it and he said it was completely malarkey…
Deo Vindice Veritas,
no kidding
In any kind of athletic competition, I’d take Romo over any other qb in the league. Hoops, baseball, golf, bowling, tennis, whatever you can think of I’ll take Romo and anyone else can have the field.
In Romo we Trust
I bet he'd win a banana cream pie eating contest too
Add that to the list!
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Over Roethlisberger??
Over McNabb?? Over Lorenzen?? You"re high.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
McNabb could take him on chunky sirloin burger soup
but based on Jessica’s girth, I’m going with Romo and the upset over Ben and Donovan on the cream pies based on the strength of the idea that I doubt she’s eating alone.
Lorenzen is a backup…he doesn’t count.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
You clearly didn't read the criteria
it only said QBs. Lorenzen must have his day.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Okay
but I’ll still take Romo.
Lorenzen’s chair would break under his enormous butt-weight and create enough of a slowdown that Romo would cross the finish line first.
Truth is, I’m thinking Jessica could take them all, hands down.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
And I didn't even whip out
Culpepper. Game, set, match.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
I wonder if Jamarcus Russell could take Culpepper?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
No way Pepper
has work ethics that Jamarcus can only dream of…
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
I didn't know that was considered an athletic competition
I think I’d take Lorenzen too
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Jun 24, 2009 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions
WOW
Is Romo fat or not?
Is Romo a professional level golfer or just a great amateur?
Ladies and gentlemen, Your 2009 -2010 Dallas Cowboys!!!
No shock
A long, cranky offseason after a long, cranky crappy season.
by I_miss_Switzer on Jun 22, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
+1
Training camp can’t get here soon enough.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Jun 24, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions
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