Greg Ellis Cut
by Troy on Jun 2, 2009 1:52 PM CDT
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According to roto world Greg Ellis is cut.
Cowboys released OLB/DE Greg Ellis.
The anticipated move clears $5.6 million in cap room, likely setting up Dallas to strike a long-term accord with contract-year OLB DeMarcus Ware. Ellis is 34, but showed that he can still play by posting eight sacks last season. He'd be best utilized as a rotational end in a 4-3 defense. The Bengals, Rams, Jaguars, and Redskins would all be smart to give him a look.
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good luck to him
unless of course he joins washington. Greg was the leader of this D and was one of the lone bright spots on many awful teams in the late 90s – early 2000s. Despite the complaining, hes always been a hard worker and I hope for the best for him
by foyesboys on Jun 2, 2009 2:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
nice catch. well theres one more space and one more malcontent off the squad.
Don't believe everything you think.
Your causes are cute!!!
by stoproyce on Jun 2, 2009 2:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll surely miss Ellis playing for the Boys
He was a real class act and really one of the very few bright spots during the Dark Ages of the Gailey and Campo eras.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jun 2, 2009 2:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ok
You hate on TO non-stop (even after proclaiming last year he could catch Rice), but love Ellis? Dude has been bitching for YEARS about everything from injuries to Dallas drafting OLB’s. How was he a class act?
by ChrisRichey on Jun 2, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
T.O. and Ellis are nothing alike
Ellis just whines but is harmless to a locker room or team, and actually he is very much a team player. T.O. is a selfish jerk who only cares about himself and has been a cancer everywhere he’s played. Night and day.
BTW, don’t know what you’re talking about regarding T.O. catching Rice, said no such thing.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jun 2, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess it was TO breaking Cowboys records, but
You did say that TO could play at a very high level until 38 or 39, which would put him in reach of Rice’s numbers if he could actually do it.
And I’m sure Ellis constantly making his feelings public, demanding special treatment when coming back from an injury, complaining about players being drafted, etc. has absolutely no impact on the other players on the team. Please, you can’t be that naive.
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2008/2/23/202931/033#5242990
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2007/9/27/1752/81776#5232446 – “Since he and Romo have an awesome relationship both on and off the field, I feel it would be in the teams best interests to re-sign him after next season.” el oh el
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2007/9/27/1752/81776#5232446 – “I’m on record as saying T.O. is just a valuable to our offense as Romo”
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2007/12/8/121553/713#5216124
It’s cool to have an opinion, just don’t act like you didn’t love TO when he scored each and every one of those 38 TDs.
by ChrisRichey on Jun 2, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't love T.O. while he was here
I was just stating facts and in 2007 all those statements were true. I accepted T.O. as part of the team, but I never liked him.
And no, Ellis didn’t have a negative impact on his teammates, you have no evidence to the contrary.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jun 3, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What evidence do you have that TO had a negative impact on his teammates?
You never have anything to back up your opinion, so I’m done.
Go Romo!
by ChrisRichey on Jun 3, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Evidence? There's footage going back past the Cowboys.
The dude simply didn’t know how to choose his battles properly. A WR’s best friends should be the QB and OC. He’s made enemies of those guys wherever he’s been. That’s evidence enough.
Is it too early to ask what round I should aim for Felix in my fantasy football league?
by Aaron Novinger on Jun 3, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have tons on that subject
Start with SF, then Philly and by then you should have plenty, and if not Jerry decision to cut him speaks volumes.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jun 3, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many came out in Philly and Dallas to support him?
I’m not trying to argue that TO was a choir boy, but he is not the reason we missed the playoffs last year.
Show me proof that TO had a negative impact on his teammates and that Ellis did not. Seriously, let’s see some facts since you’re making that claim.
Greg Ellis bitched nonstop, was insecure, and demanded special treatment. Does that not set a bad precedent for young players? Did you hear Witten bitch when Martellus was picked in the 2nd round last year? Did Newman threaten to hold out unless Jerry guaranteed his salary after he got hurt the last 2 years?
Ellis was not a class act, any problem he ever had was aired on national television. How many times did TO air dirty laundry on TV while he was in Dallas?
Greg might get along with more of the players, but actions speak louder than words, and Ellis repeatedly proved that he thought he was more important than the team.
by ChrisRichey on Jun 3, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't making that claim at all
My claim is that he’s a locker room cancer that is well documented.
Your assertions are completely false. T.O. always aired his dirty laundry through the press, I wish I has a dime for all the times he bitched about not getting the ball enough, I could be a millionaire.
Like I said, Greg whined, but it never affected the team or locker room, T.O. did and like I said, it’s very well documented, he’s a cancer.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jun 3, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And how do you know Greg didn't affect the locker room?
Have you asked all of the players? Has anybody else? Would they answer truthfully even if somebody did?
The answer to all of those questions is no. So don’t say that Greg Ellis’ actions didn’t affect the team. If anything, I’d think that his actions would affect the team more because he was supposedly a well respected player.
Answer my question about whether or not Ellis’ actions set a good example for other players on the team. I dare you.
by ChrisRichey on Jun 3, 2009 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
becuase Eliis' comments always occured in the offseason
when most of the players weren’t even around. During the actual season, Ellis never said a word and was a class act unlike T.O.
Ellis always set a great example for the other players and was a great role model. Whining a little in the season cannot be compared to T.O.s outbursts at all.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jun 4, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
An no, Ellis complained during training camp
Which is absolutely irrelevant because of a little thing called the media. Ever heard of it? What he said during the offseason happened to be picked up by television stations and newspapers.
Again, how is complaining about players being drafted and demanding special treatment when getting injured setting a good example? HOW?
by ChrisRichey on Jun 4, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't Ellis sit out with an "injury" until Jerry ponied up some money or an insurance policy a few years back?
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Jun 9, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also...
How is he a cancer? I thought him and Romo were great buddies on and off the field? I mean, that’s what you said.
by ChrisRichey on Jun 3, 2009 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He divdes locker rooms, thats being a cancer
His relationship with Romo is irrelevant in that regard.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jun 4, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting reads...
So Terry, do you think T.O. is still Canton-bound?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Jun 4, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
based on his career numbers, yes
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jun 5, 2009 7:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
It really happened. I hope he latches on to the Browns or something—somewhere for him to get lots of playing time and the most cash he can get.
Farewell, long-time Cowboy.
Is it too early to ask what round I should aim for Felix in my fantasy football league?
by Aaron Novinger on Jun 2, 2009 2:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
thanks to Greg
for all the great seasons and best of luck to him finding a good fit (outside the division lol) to finish up his career.
by scottmaui on Jun 2, 2009 2:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh yes
dumping Anthony Henry, Greg Ellis, and Roy Williams? Best off-season ever!
by DoomsdayD75 on Jun 2, 2009 2:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Definitely getting younger.
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
by Wmillion on Jun 2, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
T.O. had more left in the tank than Ellis
I’m glad they are both gone. And don’t tell me Henry and Williams were worth keeping. They weren’t.
I love the idea of a unified locker room with a completely new culture. No whining to the media allowed. Team first. Locker room chemistry above all.
The story of the 2009 Dallas Cowboys: Character, not characters.
I can’t wait…
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Jun 2, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
which is the reason the team will be better
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jun 2, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was serious
I hate all those guys. Bunch of whiny, finger pointing chumps.
by DoomsdayD75 on Jun 3, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's almost surreal to see a Hard Knocks episode.
I can’t even get through to the end because I don’t care anymore. Those guys aren’t the Cowboys.
Is it too early to ask what round I should aim for Felix in my fantasy football league?
by Aaron Novinger on Jun 3, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
yeah I like to scream “YOU’RE CUT!” at the tv whenever I watch it. I yell it pretty much every single scene.
by DoomsdayD75 on Jun 3, 2009 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hope this doesn't get refered to as a rebuilding year as the season goes on.
by mutombo4life on Jun 2, 2009 3:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
how can it when 98% of the starters are still here
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jun 2, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was reffering to the fact that everytime a team
starts to nosedive, they jokingly refer to it as a rebuilding year. I guess text doesn’t reflect sarcasm too well. I hope we go 14-2 and romo crushes all who stand in his way. his is the only jersey i bought since e. smith. (and randy white)
by mutombo4life on Jun 2, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
8 of 22 starters will be different in game 1
Compared to game 1 last year. 6 starters from week 17 aren’t even on the team anymore.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jun 2, 2009 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I only count 6 and 4 of those represent an upgrade
Sensabaugh> Williams/Davis
Brooking>Thomas
Spencer > Ellis
Igor = Canty (although this could turn out to be an upgrade)
Scandrick/Jenkins > Henry
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jun 3, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Proctor and Pacman started week 1 last year.
That’s the other 2. And i said only 6 from week 17, and didn’t count Choice and Proctor because they are still on the team.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jun 3, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still consider Kosier and either Scandrick or Jenkins
an upgrade over Proctor and Pacrat.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jun 3, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I only count 6 as well
Upgrades:
Sensabaugh > Williams (No brainer)
No Effect:
Ellis = Spencer (Ellis circa 2008 is better than Spencer 2009 to start the season, but they are trending in opposite directions)
Canty = Olshansky (Canty might have a slight advantage, but the lower contract hit make Igor a more attractive option)
Downgrade:
Owens >>>>>>>>>>> Austin/Crayton (Future Hall of Famer vs. two receivers who would be 3rd or 4th options on most teams)
Thomas > Brooking (Brooking has very little left in the tank according to those who know him best)
Henry > Scandrick/Jenkins (Henry was losing his effectiveness, but saying Scandrick and/or Jenkins will be ready is a crapshoot, at best)
by TCBinNYC on Jun 3, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you assessment.
Except I don’t know that Sensabaugh over Williams is a no brainer. I don’t know anything about the guy, so while you are probably right, we’ll see. I’m not sure when it got decided that he was a great coverage guy, but here are some quotes about him:
Len Pasquarelli : “If Sensabaugh, who is a physical player but lacks some coverage skills, doesn’t win the starting job alongside free safety Ken Hamlin, he will be a solid reserve safety. Dallas has very little experience at safety besides Hamlin.”
ESPN Scouting Report: “Sensabaugh is an intriguing, young strong safety who was injured early in the regular season. He played in only two games before being placed on season-ending injured reserve. He has been a core special teams player with good size and strength. He is an above-average athlete who is explosive and aggressive, but needs to improve at diagnosing plays. He is best suited up near the line of scrimmage against the run. He has the speed to run the alleys, while maintaining leverage on the ball carrier. He is a willing insert player who has some toughness as a tackler in open space. However, he will get over aggressive at times, while struggling to stay under control as a tackler. He is not real natural as a two-deep safety with limited downfield range. He has some stiffness in his hips and not real sudden in his transitional movement. He is more natural in short zones than deep zones and he has limited downfield range.”
by Baked Potato Soup on Jun 3, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never lived up to the hype
That’s what I will think of when his name comes to mind.
He got screwed in the transition to a 3-4 and I hope he gets to play for a 4-3 team so we can see what he has left.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Jun 2, 2009 4:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
I think he definitely played up to a high first rd pick. He might have not been a perennial all-pro, but he was very good for a long time and that’s all you can ask from a first rd pick.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jun 2, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What hype?
Randy Moss had all the “hype” the year Ellis was drafted. Greg was a rock solid defensive end and his play validated him being a first round pick.
As far as getting screwed in the transition, I personally think he was more dominant at outside linebacker than he ever was at defensive end. He whined and complained about the change but he excelled at the position and justified Parcells’ decision to move him there. Had he been moved to OLB earlier in his career who knows what his sack totals might have been. I think he was ideally suited for the position, he was strong against the run and had a great pass rush from the outside.
Garrett needs to get a clue!
by BulletBob on Jun 3, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you take a DE in the top 10 of ANY draft...
Don’t you expect a ferocious pass rush and double digit sacks every year?
“Rock solid” can be had in the 4th round.
- in the round 1 is a slot reserved for big time difference makers and Ellis was never that.
Make sense?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Jun 4, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Should have read...
Being taken with the 8th pick in round 1 is a slot reserved for big time difference makers and Greg was never that.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Jun 4, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was never a difference maker, thats true
but he played better than a 4th rounder. Most 4th rounders dont last 5 years, much less over 10 seasons and 77 sacks. Ellis performed like a late 1st rounder/early 2nd rounder. Not a stud, but not a bust. I’m not broken up over his departure.
by TCBinNYC on Jun 5, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm
Bradie James comes to mind as a 4th rounder who is rock solid.
In the end, when they are both long retired, will Greg Ellis be viewed in much higher regard than Bradie?
I don’t think so.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Jun 6, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
As long as a player in the top 10 turns out to be a very good player for your team 10+ years, that’s all you can expect.
If he turns out to be a difference maker and all-pro, even better but to actually expect that is unreasonable and unrealistic.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jun 5, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On average, Ellis probably fared better than most 8th overall picks
by TCBinNYC on Jun 5, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm willing to bet any money
That less than 20% of all top 10 picks actually become difference makers for their teams.
It’s actually probably less than 10% really.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jun 5, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you
(Was your post directed at me?)
by TCBinNYC on Jun 5, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If your team is drafting in the top 10, it's because you sucked the year before...
Solid players won’t elevate the team. You need difference makers.
We can disagree, but the mythology of drafting guys like Aikman and Irvin (both of whom I would call difference makers) at the top of round 1 exists because there IS an expectation that these players will live up to their hype.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Jun 7, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what you seem not to understand
is that while you expect top 10 draftees to be difference makers, the reality is that only about 20% end up meeting those expectations, so if you only end up with a very good player, you should be happy as well because about 50% of those top 10 players completely bust altogether.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jun 7, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That has absolutely NOTHING to do with the topic of EXPECTATION
Would you mind addressing the question?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Jun 10, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah he got SO screwed.
He got screwed into having his highest sack total and making the pro bowl. What a bunch of assholes.
it was weird, I... I mean you probably didn't hear about it because I went under the name of Mike Honcho. But I just wanted you to know that. If you can hear me, if it got into your brain somehow. That I spread my buttcheeks as Mike Honcho.
by AirforceBat on Jun 10, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Going to miss Greg
I agree with the move, honestly, but it’s just hard to hate the guy.
I hope he does well wherever he ends up, as long as it’s not a division rival…
Epic Fail since 1985
by the red scare on Jun 3, 2009 1:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What does he want?
Most players at Ellis’ stage are interested in one thing… getting the ring. Most of them go to New England (with good reason). However, if Ellis goes to Cincy, he’ll only get to sniff a ring if another free-agent wears it to the Bengals locker room. I’m a little disappointed that Ellis didn’t want to stick it out here and finish out as a Cowboy. I don’t recall Jeffcoat pitching a fit when he lost his starting spot. He had been around for about the same amount of time as Ellis. Of course, with Jimmy as coach, he would have ended up on the asthma field anyway.
by HutHut on Jun 8, 2009 4:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure Ellis did want to remain a Cowboy
Jones cut Ellis, he didn’t ask for his release.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jun 9, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Ellis wanted to stay
seems to me Jerry was the one who wanted him gone. Ellis going to Cincy just means he wants to make a few more bucks before he retires, and who can blame him for that?
BTW, Jeffocat did eventually leave the Cowboys (for the Bills) but you are correct that he wasnt a starter his last 3 seasons in Dallas. Don’t remember if he compained himself out of town like Ellis did.
by TCBinNYC on Jun 9, 2009 9:29 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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