became impossible once Jones said the Greg is not welcome to the OTAs.

I thought he was a nom de plum for you Raf so you could stir up the pot. Now I know it’s not true.

Can you ever forgive me?

in the same way as a car wreck?

This sends the final piece of the perplexing puzzle down the road. Good bye Greg. Well, okay, Flo is still here. This will definitely be his last year if he doesn’t really turn it around.

The success of this team depends on alot of guys right now. Fortunately, you can say that about any team.

To expect a 4th round pick to come in and learn a new defense, new position and beat out a talent like Spencer is asking way too much…

I’m just pointing out that there has been a lot of turnover on this team, and not just among the backups and special teamers. Many people are predicting that 11 of the 12 draft picks will make the team, plus at least 6 new starters. That’s a little more than just reloading.

Ellis started every game last year, didn’t he? In any case, I’ll take him as a pass rusher over a 4th round rookie.
If Canty, a 4th rounder, was a disappointment, and Olshansky, a 2nd rounder, has performed at basically the same level, wouldn’t he be considered a disappointment as well?
Owens may be declining, and have a lot of awful games, but what about Roy Williams over the last 2 years. Wasn’t he also declining and posting some awful games? Williams has had 8 games in the past 2 years with at least 50 yards receiving. Patrick Crayton has had 10. Owens had 8 last year.
ZT and Brookings are basically the same guy, in my opinion. If Thomas was just a band-aid, then so is Brookings.

In any event, this team is going to look much different than they did last year at the beginning or end of the season, especially on defense. I understand about the contracts, but TO is still costing them the same, isn’t he? The point of my post wasn’t to put down the moves that they made. I’m just stating that it feels to me like they are rebuilding.

I’ll put a grande that they don’t go 9-6.

Hines Ward > Roy Williams : Ward had a better season last year than every year of Roy’s career except one.

Santonio Holmes > Patrick Crayton : Holmes had more catches and yards last year than Crayton has had in any year.

Nate Washington > Miles Austin : Other than his rookie year when he had 0 catches, Washington has had better stats each year than Austin’s career totals. Granted, he does play for Tennessee now, but I assume you meant based on last year since you mentioned them being world champs.

And I know that Roy Williams is supposed to have a ton of potential despite declining numbers the last 2 years and that Miles Austin is also supposed to be off the charts as far as potential. But Holmes has similar career averages as Williams and is younger and the Steelers have Limas Sweed who has as much potential as Austin and is younger.