The Valley Ranch Review: Jerry, Stephen Jones Talk T.O. Exit
By now, many of you may have read Michael Silver's article over at Yahoo Sports entitled: Real reason behind T.O.'s exit from Dallas. If you haven't, I suggest you do because it's the best coverage of the event yet, mainly because Silver gets both Jerry and Stephen Jones talking about the reasons behind the exile of T.O.
The conclusion - it did have a lot to do with Tony Romo, although the article never claims that Romo lobbied for Owens' exit. Rather, the Jones cabal came to the conclusion that Romo was never going to take the next step in leading this team with T.O.'s overbearing personality dominating the offense.
Yes, it has plenty to do with Tony Romo. Absolutely, Owens’ penchant for being a major pain in the ass played a role. And, as most of us have suspected, this did come down to his effect on team chemistry. Oddly enough, however, T.O.’s popularity in the Cowboys’ locker room is precisely why he was asked to clear out his belongings.
The bottom line, team executive vice president Stephen Jones said Thursday, is that he and his father came to this conclusion: For the team’s highly paid quarterback to become a truly influential leader, the big man on campus had to be jettisoned.
"It’s hard to take over leadership when you’ve got a strong personality like Terrell," Jones said. "If you look back at our old teams [from the 1990s], a lot of people would say maybe Michael [Irvin] was the leader. Then you might say, ‘He was a receiver. What about Troy [Aikman]? He was the quarterback. Wasn’t he the leader?’ And the answer is, yeah, Troy was a leader. But if Michael wasn’t supportive of him, Troy would’ve had problems.
"A lot of our players thought the world of Terrell – they still do. They loved the way he prepared and how hard he played, and everybody respected his skills and what he’d done in the league. And with him here, I think he was always going to carry that kind of weight."
There are few takeaways from that quote and this article. One, Romo and Owens must have been seriously diverging in their relationship. Gone were the days of Owens crying while protecting "his quarterback". If they had still been on the same page, I don't think the Jerry and Stephen would have come up with the idea that T.O. had to go out of thin air. While no one is accusing Romo of specifically lobbying for this result, I don't think that it's too much of a stretch that behind the scenes Wade Phillips, Jason Garrett and by extension Stephen Jones knew that the relationship was breaking. I think most of us already knew this, but the article lays it out in stark terms.
The other note of significance is something that's already been touched on a little bit this offseason. The fact that Stephen Jones seems to be playing a bigger role in the decisions the Cowboys are making. Stephen makes it clear that Jerry makes all the final calls and that he did in this situation. But Stephen's profile has been rising recently and we hear more about his influence in personnel beyond his genius at getting player's signed and maintaining the salary cap. He's been getting credit for that part of the job for years now, but he's exerting influence, more and more, in general GM decisions. At least that's the impression I'm getting.
There are a lot of other choice quotes in the article and it's rather long, so just check it out for yourself. They hinted that they thought T.O. might be in decline, which our own Raf has shown previously. The idea of Roy Williams and T.O. working together was also brought up, in a little bit of a negative light.
At BTB, we've been staying away from the T.O. circus for the most part, choosing to focus on the guys who are here, not the ones that aren't. But this article was too good to pass up. Maybe it will close the book on the T.O. era in Dallas.
More news after the jump.
Terence Newman's trying to shake the injury bug.
"The fact that I was out for a while (in 2008), tried to play with it . . . played terrible," Newman said. "I came back and played better but I was never fully healthy last year. January I had some bone spurs that I've had for a while, and I finally decided to address that. Right now my body has felt (the best) it's felt in a while.
"With the injuries, you start to walk different and your body starts to adapt to that for the compensation. Now I have to re-teach my body certain things. It's been a work in progress but it's coming along."
Newman's health is going to be critical this year. We have a talented, but not fully-tested bunch at corner this year, besides T-New. Mike Jenkins and Orlando Scandrick showed last year they have the skills to compete and play well in this league, but they need to show they can do it again. I think they will, but having a healthy Newman on the field will be key.
Speaking of Jenkins and Scandrick, Jenkins truly covets the starting job opposite Newman.
"I can't promise anything, but that's my goal," Jenkins said of starting. "And I'll be upset with myself if I don't."
Phillips had Jenkins and Scandrick split work with the first team at minicamp, which ended Wednesday. They're expected to do the same at training camp beginning July 27 at the Alamodome.
BTW, Jenkins is a little sore about his 'soft' label after the Derrick Ward missed tackle (I always include the Mike Sellers kick-return debacle, too).
"It was just a missed tackle," Jenkins said. "I've never been known to be soft. I knocked a couple of people out in college. I've always been aggressive."
But only Patrick Crayton would measure Jenkins' progress by this scale:
"He's starting to talk (trash) a lot more," Crayton said. "That's a good sign."
If anybody would know about trash-talking, it would be Crayton.
Oh, yeah, forgot to mention Newman had this to say about rookie Mike Hamlin.
"I think Mike Hamlin is definitely one of the standouts for sure. He's a smart guy and he understands the defense already."
Bobby Carp keeps on trying.
"Everybody thinks I’m a bust already," Carpenter said. "So [the pressure to live up to the status of the No. 1 pick] is gone, at least in my mind it is. I don’t think there are any expectations on me to succeed. I’m just going out there and playing the best I can. I’m not worried about anybody or anything else."
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I'm with Stephen Jones on this one, and I give the guy props.
Glad somebody came out and said it. This is a mild-mannered-football-playing team. Guys like Romo and Barber and Witten and Cricket and Bigg just go out and do their jobs. They don’t need to be loud because they are all growing together as a team.
I’m sure T.O. is a nice and fun guy to be around; but, I honestly think his fire is a bit too intrusive when guys are trying to focus on doing their own jobs and learning from mistakes. The offense won’t be perfect. We can hope it will be consistent and productive.
Second!
"Grow where you are planted."
by Aaron Novinger on Jun 20, 2009 12:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh and...
Mike Jenkins rocks. No way we should remember him only for that one stupid play. He learned from that mistake and I’m sure will be competing w/Scandrick to blow people up.
"Grow where you are planted."
by Aaron Novinger on Jun 20, 2009 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mickey said yesterday on DC.com Carpenter is going to be the nickel LB replacing Burnett.....
At least they are giving him every opportunity and want him to. He said don’t expect rookie third round pick (Williams) to be able to come in, learn this defense and replace Burnett….. They so far have really like what they seen from Carpenter…..
Keep on hating…haters!…….. :)
Go ahead Terry……disagree with your boy Mickey…..
by Boyzfan94 on Jun 20, 2009 1:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's awesome.
No way I would feel comfortable having a rookie come in on passing downs to take Burnett’s spot. Carpenter should come through just fine.
"Grow where you are planted."
by Aaron Novinger on Jun 20, 2009 1:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bur Wade also said
he needs to see it translate to the field in a game.
I personally hope Carp does i this year. He seems like a good guy and it would be great if he could get on the field and show his stuff.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jun 20, 2009 7:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, welcome back Dunk!!!
Where and how U been, brutha?!?!
Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
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by silverblue5 on Jun 20, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I took a summer job waiting tables in Montecito
Tex is a crappy tippper. And I have to share this… he’s a little pear-shaped…
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jun 20, 2009 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bwuhahahahaha
Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/
by silverblue5 on Jun 20, 2009 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why would I do that?
I said a long time ago that this would be the perfect role for Barbie because it’s a finese postion where he can utilize his speed and athletic ability.
He’ll never be an every down ILB because he’s not physical or tough enough, that Boyz will never change.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jun 20, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
its funny now, to step back and look at TO's tenure in Dallas,
in his first year, 06 no team wanted him, JJ took a flier on him, his HC called him a “the player” all the time, he even overdosed. Drew “the statue of liberty” was always looking for TG and it cost him his jobultimately. Than TR came in play and he knew his best friend and his ticket to succeed was TO, so he was developing that QB-WR bond as if the forgotten ones had a chance to star.By year two Tuna’s shackles were off and TO was TR’s best friend, they had the rapport or “chemistry” between and it worked pretty well for both of them. Year 3 (08) TR got payed last mid season, and TO got payed and extended before the start of the new season, it all started out good, than injuries came about and everybody’s ego ballooned. TO was not the humbled WR anymore, he had a 15 TD season a year ago, in his perception TR was not throwing enough balls to him, TR got hurt and the cannon balls started rolling. JJ and SJ are 100% right about in their reasoning to jettison TO, but I cant help thinking that if TR was more vocal and challenged TO publicly, he might have derived that next step development by leadership, instead of heaving management, acquiescence to his perceived development. In other words, he could have seized the issue, the moment and lead the team by vocal leadership, albeit in the media and squashed TO’s rising popularity and divisiveness in the locker room for the wrong reasons.
by dcfanz on Jun 20, 2009 1:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I just think any words from Romo to or about TO would have blown the situation up even further.
We all remember that stupid tirade he had w/McNabb on the sidelines. An all-out argument would have taken the drama a step further than the media’s influence and could have severely divided the team. We don’t want a bunch of hurt feelings and sissy name-calling on our football team. We definitely don’t want people taking sides any more than they may have.
"Grow where you are planted."
by Aaron Novinger on Jun 20, 2009 1:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about that, it may have very well been the case, but McNabb's rant ont the sideline was more of camera posturing
TR had all the political capital with TO and for whatever reason blew it in my mind (again I as many of us are clueless whats going on behind close doors)
by dcfanz on Jun 20, 2009 1:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with Aaron. And McNabb vs TO is a good example.
The problem with TO is that you cannot challenge him because he’s crazy. He doesn’t seem to be able to understand reason (at least that’s what 3 separate franchises have concluded).
You don’t think that in his 3 team tour of the NFL other players and coaches have attempted to explain to him that what he’s doing is not what the team wants and that he needs to quit it?
by Luke. on Jun 20, 2009 1:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it worked good in his first season under Parcells, teamwise that is
by dcfanz on Jun 20, 2009 2:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Terrell wasn't too bad in 06 and the 07 season was fun and TO was a big part of that...
but that doesn’t give him a free pass to flip out in 08.
by Luke. on Jun 20, 2009 2:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TO has a honeymoon period everywhere he goes.
Him and McNabb were best friends his 1st year there. They absolutely set the league on fire. Herm Edwards said it best,“TO is like the kinda girl you date but dont marry.” Im glad he came and glad he left.
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the goverment from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
by squidlo97 on Jun 20, 2009 7:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think "crazy" is a crude but true way to describe TO
He is clearly a victim of his demons. I naively thought that he had turned a corner with Romo, learned from his past mistakes (at San Fran and Philly) and was ready be a team player. But (and here’s a familiar theme on this team) he got paid and got comfortable and the demons resurfaced.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
by dave33 on Jun 20, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought he had grown up, too. Had learned that you can't run through
the league alienating team after team, or eventually you wind up playing in Buffalo in December. I was wrong.
by Fernie67 on Jun 22, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know how you can say Tony Romo blew it. Terrell Owens is the one who blew it, as he does repeatedly.
TO was in an absolute golden situation here; a marquee NFL franchise that always has multiple prime time games, a generous owner who loves superstars and payeds TO very well, a good QB who likes to attack down the field and supported TO publicly, an good offensive coordinator who likes to attack down the field and supported TO publicly, a playoff caliber team of which he was a focal point and a fanbase in which most or at least a significant amount had completely embraced him.
He’ll never get another chance like it in his career. He was lucky he got the chance to begin with after two previous sackings. As soon as the going got tough (injuries, losses, double teams etc) he couldn’t stop himself from acting like he always does and then he’s surprised and shocked that the team let him go!? Three times now TO, how many more till you figure it out; just STFU already.
by Luke. on Jun 20, 2009 2:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saing TR blew it literaly, just wish it had different outcome
by dcfanz on Jun 20, 2009 2:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dcfan,
Yeah I wish it had a different outcome too. I actually was all for the TO signing and really thought after twice getting released for his behavior he just might get it together. I was wrong. 07 was great but as I said previous, TO just became more trouble than he’s worth last year. For his sake, I hope he finally gets it together in Buffalo.
by Luke. on Jun 20, 2009 2:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is about how I feel as well
I was excited about his joining the team. And I really don’t think it was the media thing – which I think was not all or even mostly his problem – but rather what he insidiously did to the locker room and the ability of coaches and other players to lead. He needed to become a more team and other player oriented guy and in the end, he’s probably just not capable of it.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jun 20, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
money comment
extreme co-sign
Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/
by silverblue5 on Jun 20, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can't challenge TO.
It goes from bad to worse. The man came to blows with a Defensive End in the locker room. Hugh Douglas thought he could knock the insanity out of TO, yet TO only got worse after that fight.
There was only one option once the drama started: get him the hell out of there. Somebody could have knocked the snot out of the TO, but why would you want to? He’s a media frenzy, and not because he’s so cool. It’s because he is the drama queen of all drama queens in the NFL The media only follows him because they want to be there the next time he snaps.
He was popular with the players, but if these guys care at all about what they achieve as a team in their careers, they better just get on board with the direction of the team. This is Tony Romo’s team. Jerry and Stephen have spoken.
Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein.
Joe ThEEsman
by SB Six on Jun 20, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"Grow where you are planted."
by Aaron Novinger on Jun 20, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blew it? What, by not throwing EVERY ball to him? No one can win with TO
ultimately. Ask every other QB he played with.
by Fernie67 on Jun 22, 2009 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Romo got called a slime on this board simply for referring to TO as "he" rather
than Terrell or God or whatever. Can you imagine if TR had openly feuded with Owens? The team would have imploded even worse than it did. As it was we had TO crying that Romo loved someone else (Witten) better.
by Fernie67 on Jun 22, 2009 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is by far the most reasonable explanation of the TO exit strategy
It wasn’t the “distraction” or even high school cat fight scenario of Witten vs TO, Romo vs TO, Garrett vs TO… Their decision appears to be based on needing to set a particular tone in the locker room.
It’s been a classic mistake for media guys to call for “leadership” in the locker room. “Leadership” is not inherently “good” – think James Jones and Manson. TO is charasmatic and productive but his selfishness and insecurity made it nearly impossible for him to fill the role of Irvin – positive, supportive, encouraging. TO’s natural but less-than-positive leadership left little room for everyone from Witten, Romo and even Garrett to exert the influence they needed, and the criticism of the OC, QB and TE in that respect had to be the last straw – if parts of the team are being convinced that the OC and QB are incompetent, the whole offense will stop functioning as a unit.
The fact that TO was possibly on the a slight downward slide physically made it easier, but I think they needed first and foremost to get everyone in the boat rowing to the same cadence.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jun 20, 2009 8:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think you have a very good read of the situtation
This is dead on:
TO is charasmatic and productive but his selfishness and insecurity made it nearly impossible for him to fill the role of Irvin – positive, supportive, encouraging.
Most cult leaders (like Jim Jones) disparately need to feel loved and looked up to. This makes it almost impossible for this type to share the spotlight with others or to work with them as equals. TO couldn’t just be one of the array of targets Romo had at his disposal; he had to be the guy. Winning was never good enough—he had to be the one to score the winning TD.
An ultimate team player is Emmitt after SB 30 saying it didn’t matter that he only gained 50 yards because they just won the SB. TO, although worlds more talented than Emmitt, will never be as great because he never got his mind right.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
by dave33 on Jun 20, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I heard part of an interview wth Colombo
on Sirius. Besides refuting the “Tubby Tony” story, he also said that Romo is doing a really good job taking charge this year. Sounds like maybe this movve WAS the impetus they needed internally.
For a nasty lineman, he was really quite articulate.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jun 20, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read that alot of Romo's workouts this offseason focused on his footwork.
Now, I know that’s not all about conditioning but to have quick feet you gotta have some lungs.
This outta shape crap is all bubkis to me. I’ve never seen #9 huff or puff in a game. If he gets bigger, that should only make him tougher to bring down.
"Grow where you are planted."
by Aaron Novinger on Jun 20, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"he was really quite articulate"
well… he did go to BC (last time I checked, they don’t allow dummies).
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
by dave33 on Jun 20, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right but still
it always shocks me when one of these guys can string together meaningful thoughts. i guess it just doesn’t fit my mental model for a 320 pound guy.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jun 20, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hilarious!
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jun 20, 2009 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL! Now thats funny right there.
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by squidlo97 on Jun 21, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is my position on T.O.
The circus follows him wherever he goes, whether he deserves it or not. It wasn’t so much T.O. who had to go, but the the Cowboys had to get rid of the circus. The only way to make the circus go away was to get rid of T.O.
I can understand and live with that. It’s unfortunate, but it was necessary.
WELCOME HOME SEVEN!!
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jun 20, 2009 8:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the telling quote is about how his skills may be declining
It seemed to me that last year he had lost an 1/8th of a step.
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Jun 20, 2009 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel just as sorry for TO as you do
But he is not blameless. He had 25 million reasons to seek a therapist in order to try to understand why he keeps making the same mistakes.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
by dave33 on Jun 20, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeff Garcia, Donovan McNabb, Tony Romo
All started with good relationships, all ended with negative relationships. Different franchises, different coaches, different times.
One common thread, TO.
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
by Jim Vance on Jun 20, 2009 9:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
our ending was significantly less volatile
Jerry an Stephen made the right move cutting him when they did. I think if they waited another year, things may’ve been significantly worse, even though they probably weren’tbad enough right now to warrant cutting him.
by foyesboys on Jun 20, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Three for Three
That proves the point beyond any argument. I still maintain Romo ignored TO and this is why TO eventually drug Witten into the mix. Thank God Jerry and the organization realized this 08 team needed to be blown up; when you look at all that are gone including - Roy Safety and Ellis - and think about the new dozen plus new players with the free agents additions — and it all would have been meaninglesss if TO stayed. I wake up every day with a smile that TO is gone.
by Iowacowboy on Jun 20, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Buffalo loves him today
but they will hate him in a couple of years.
by cowboy1966 on Jun 20, 2009 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Listening to Buffalo players and coaches talk,
they are saying all the right things, giving TO his respect, and talking about his immense talent. Balderdash!!! They are walking on eggshells because he is a known quantity. No one in that city wants to light the fuse.
I hate to say it, but the same thing was happening here. From the time he showed up in Dallas people have been careful about what they say about TO in the media, and in the locker room. I am so glad we don’t have to patronize his ego anymore.
Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein.
Joe ThEEsman
by SB Six on Jun 21, 2009 1:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So S Jones
is responsible for singing Crayton and Barber to that ridiculous contract to a running back with his style.
Genius I tell ya.
Pure Genius.
by Sharksbreath on Jun 20, 2009 9:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Stephen Jones can sing?
Thanks for the knowledge.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jun 20, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Craytons contract in't anything crazy
it was what? 4 years 13 million? I think hes about worth that. He has a strong connection with romo, which i think we’ll see again next year.
Barber, Hamlin, Newman and Flo were all overpaid, but our hands were kinda tied.We didn’t have anotheroption at rb and Barber had certainly proven more than Turner, who was signed to a simlar contract before. Newman would garner a ridiciulous amount of money on the open market, cause some team would take the risk of him staying healthy. And you can’t risk stalling the offense by letting flo leave. They were all difficult choices. Hamlin, on the other hand, was a bad resigning. There was just no way imo he was worth that much anywhere.
by foyesboys on Jun 20, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is unfortunate
that TO has not ( will not ) learned to become a good teammate, he is quite talented and in my opinion has wasted a lot of it being a distraction rather than concentrating on being a better teammate. He should have never ever sat down for that interview with Deon last year. I think the guy has a couple of loose screws in there somewhere. As giddy as I admittedly was when we signed him, I am just as glad he is gone. I don’t know if he can be completely replaced on the field, but the drama that surrounds him is gone and as a lifelong fan I am happy about that.
They say a lot of kids that crave attention will get it with good or bad behavior, they don’t care which, and that is TO. Too bad for him and/or his teammates.
by cowboyz4ever on Jun 20, 2009 9:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed
I thought he was drastically better with us comapred to philly in eh teammate category, but there are still a ton of examples of him putting himself and his image above the team. IF he had truly realized wht it was to be a good teamate, he wouldn’t have done many of those interviews.
by foyesboys on Jun 20, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It seems that the only player who didn't think a world of TO
was the player who usually sat in corner with Bobby Johnson, whose pregame meals were twinkies and honey buns, and who thought about taking leadership pills while the rest of the players trained hard with TO. I guess the player wasn’t self-motivated to be an influence in the locker room. That player’s sad face in the locker room must have broke Jerry’s and Stephen’s heart. So much drama indeed.
by ym on Jun 20, 2009 10:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I still don't understand
Your talking about Romo? Sorry, I’m slow.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
by dave33 on Jun 20, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're not slow
he is on his same old schtick – no matter what the question is, it’s Romo’s fault.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jun 20, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand either.
Is there some Montecito virus spreading?
"Grow where you are planted."
by Aaron Novinger on Jun 20, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nah
it’s an attention getter. People realize in BTB that if you write nonsense Romo-hating garbage on here, you get noticed.
Booyah!
by what_the_crap on Jun 20, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This was the reason I always thought T.O. was cut
To me, it was simple, T.O. became too powerful of a figure on the team and his personality was too overbearing, it’s been that way on every team he’s played on and therefore no surprise he’s never been on a championship team.
Bottom line is that T.O. usurped the leadership role from Romo, thus he had to be released, no brainer.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jun 20, 2009 12:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I dont know if he usurped it as much as prevented him from growing into it.
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the goverment from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
by squidlo97 on Jun 20, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
huh??
How is any of what you wrote simple? Shakespeare, Sun Tzu and Machiavelli wrote thousands of pages about what you’re describing.
Also, you’re wrong. Here’s why…
Bottom line is that Ware usurped the leadership role from Romo, thus he had to be released, no brainer.
That sentence is just stupid, isn’t it?
by Joey2zs on Jun 20, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it is ridiculous!
They’re on two different sides of the ball. And Ware isn’t the type of overbearing personality that TO is. Your example isn’t remotely relevant
by foyesboys on Jun 20, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, completely ridiculous
Bottom line is that Witten usurped the leadership role from Romo, thus he had to be released, no brainer.
by Joey2zs on Jun 20, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose if you are picking nits with
how Terry expressed it, great. Enjoy yourself I guess.
But Owens’ presence in the locker room was considered to be a negative influence, therefore preventing others from exercising more positive leadership. I think that’s what he was trying to say without actually using French or Chinese.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jun 20, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a simple conclusion
that most of us agree with. You can not allow a prima donna to control the team.
by cowboy1966 on Jun 20, 2009 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's a false conclusion
and not accurate. TO had not become the de facto “team leader.” Terry is just blathering on and on about something that he thinks puts Romo in a good light.
by Joey2zs on Jun 20, 2009 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
in terry's mind,
and in his argument, the only possible way to move forward is if Romo is “the team leader.” And he believes that mgmt released Owens because he had “usurped” leadership from Romo, as if it’s something that can only belong to romo.
If the team actually had a leader, they wouldn’t have sucked a$$ last year. Who cares who the leader is? Romo or the long snapper or TO. If there is a leader, great. Lead. TO was no leader. To Terry’s point, Romo hasn’t led this team yet, because it was TO’s team.
In fact, all Terry’s suppositions are inaccurate.
I’m just pointing them out.
by Joey2zs on Jun 20, 2009 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not according to jerry and stephen
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jun 21, 2009 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whether Terry is blathering or not I'll leave to literary critics
But clearly Stephen Jones was indicating that TO had too much influence in the locker room for others to be able to exercise effective leadership.
It’s hard to take over leadership when you’ve got a strong personality like Terrell
I recognize that you have issues with Terry, but how is this statement ambiguous?
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jun 20, 2009 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think
the statement has any ambiguity either. I think it says a couple of things. First, that they want Tony Romo to be the leader. Secondly, that Romo couldn’t do it with T.O there. My questions are can Romo do it at all and does he want to do it? I can’t honestly say that I have seen anything that says he wants that responsibility.
As the article says there were lots of T.O supporters on the team. I don’t know that Jerry gets the desired results simply by getting rid of T.O. I just don’t see how that gets the T.O supporters to Romo’s camp. I also don’t believe that people follow others simply because someone wants them to. People gravitate to others as leaders mostly because they admire them. I don’t get why Bradie James or Ware, or Witten can’t be just as capable of being “the leader.” The Ravens didn’t cut Ray Lewis because they wanted Flacco to be the leader. I’m not sure how much sense this will make in the long run. We shall see.
by jevans1729 on Jun 21, 2009 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The is a lesson in circular logic
What would you have them do? Leave the charismatic but deeply flawed Owens in the locker room to disrupt team unity? Maybe, just maybe, they wanted to allow others to step up and a popular guy without positive leadership traits was in the way.
Ray Lewis is a positive leader. Why would anyone cut him? This wasn’t about Romo having to be a leader, It was about removing a popular but negative influence.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jun 21, 2009 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I must be alone
I was a TO fan and now I don’t want to hear (read) anymore about him. “Turn the page.”
I live and die with the Dallas Cowboys
by stxshooter on Jun 20, 2009 3:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you
Enough already about whatshisname.
There needs to be enough space in the locker room for more than one star to thrive. Whatshisname’s gigantic ego sucked all the air out of the room and stifled the team.
Let’s move on.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
by OskieOskie on Jun 20, 2009 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL!!!!
Some will convince themselves of anything – especially when so-called “common sense” takes over rational, dispassionate analysis. Seriously, what kind of leader is Romo when he cannot assert leadership because of a more dominant personality on the team? Seriously!!
And what happens when another dominant personality emerges, stronger than Romo or Witten? Ship them off too? Really. True leadership emerges regardless of circumstances. Romo’s not a leader but a guy who plays in streaks. He really lost much of my respect last year when he played hard but was unable to rally the team. It just seems when the biggest game of his career is on the line, he begins to make bone-headed mistakes. He may break out of it but not without lots of help and a team of sheep waiting to be herded.
by bresson on Jun 20, 2009 11:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Look back
on all those “big games” and tell me that Romo was the only one who made bone-headed mistakes. DEF and ST also made bone-headed mistakes in all those losses and some of the wins. It is just typical to say that Romo made the bone-headed mistakes. What about the stupid penalties? What about the points right before the half? What about the huge returns on punts/kickoffs?
Also, I think Romo has played well in some of those “big games”. It seems people only remember the “big games” that he played bad in.
I say this every time….EVERYONE (including Romo) needs to play better for this team to be successful. If Romo plays lights out, but the DEF and ST continue to play inconsistent; it will be a long time before we win a playoff game and Romo will continue to take the blame.
We will see how he does this year, and I will be curious to see if the haters hop back on his bandwagon.
by Boyz4Life on Jun 21, 2009 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but what happens if he doesn't play well????
You say that you are curious to see if the haters hop back on his bandwagon but what if he doesn’t? What happens then to you and the “haters”?
by texstar on Jun 21, 2009 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will still support him, he is our QB until otherwise
Cowboys 4 Life, not just when they play well and win! A true fan supports his/her team no matter what.
by Boyz4Life on Jun 21, 2009 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"Grow where you are planted."
by Aaron Novinger on Jun 21, 2009 1:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bresson, the greatest QB's of all time
didn’t lead their teams back from the turf. The offensive line was so….offensive toward the end of the season that Tony wasn’t playing football, he was running for his life. For every QB performance you show me where a QB puts the team on his back from the turf, and wins the game, I’ll show you 100 that didn’t. Take the team we have, get the offensive line playing good, not even great football, just good through the 16 game season, and 4 games in the postseason, and Tony will lift the Lombardi Trophy for you.
Before he’s done, Tony will show the entire NFL that they f#cked up by not drafting him.
Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein.
Joe ThEEsman
by SB Six on Jun 21, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice example
of rational, dispassionate analysis. Here you’ve managed to confuse performance with leadership. They are not the same, as performance relates to oneself and leadership references impact on others in the organization.
As the team explained – and frankly I’ll take their explanation over your arm-chair version – Owens was a NEGATIVE influence in the locker room and his popularity prevented others from influencing the team. They didn’t say Romo, or Witten or even Garrett. You assumed it was Romo and you further assumed it was a sign of weakness of others in the locker room. So much for analysis and reason.
I could also take issue with your claim of streaky performance since he’s been a lot more consistent than many other key units on the team – Special Teams, Offensive Line, defensive pressure on QBs, stopping the run in big games.. The whole team is streaky.
So in the end, you built an argumant around your emotiuonal response to Romo. Shoot, I’d take “common sense” over that any day…
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jun 21, 2009 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry Dunk,
but the article specifically said Romo. “For the team’s highly paid quaterback to become a truly influential leader, the big man on campus had to be jettisoned.” They also said "it’s hard to take over leadership when you have a strong personality like Terrell. That’s about as specific as it gets concerning Romo and what the braintrust thought. My point that you called “circular logic” earlier is that getting rid of T.O, does not in and of itself make Tony Romo the leader. That is a job that must be earned and desired. I am not saying getting rid of T.O. is right or wrong. My point is that Romo did not exhibit (in my eyes) the desire that he WANTED that leadership role. If that is the case, getting rid of T.O. won’t solve Romo’s leadership desires or lack of same.
by jevans1729 on Jun 21, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
But I don’t recall either Jones saying that ROMO was the one that they did this for, but rather for leadership in general. I am assuming that Garrett’s leadership is just as important to them, if not more so. I always hear players talking about “buying into the systm”as the first step to working as a team on the field. Owens was much more of an impediment to Garrett than he was to Romo. Garrett’s leadership is essential while Romo’s is merely desireable.
You really don’t know what Romo desired or did not desire. Neither do I. I just choose to give him the benefit of the doubt and your choose to interpret the situation to his disadvantage. This situation is nearly identical to what the Giants did. Shockey was a problem and everyone said it helped Eli take the reins. I have no inside knowledge of whether it did, but no one criticized Eli, nor should they have. TO was an impediment, Whether Tony wanted him gone or not, the team management thought it would improve the team’s unity. That doesn’t say anything at all about the guys still on the team.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jun 21, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Second that Jevans1729. Not sure whom or what dunkman’s vague rebuttal targets but here’s a quote straight from the article referencing Stephen Jones:
“The bottom line, team executive vice president Stephen Jones said Thursday, is that he and his father came to this conclusion: For the team’s highly paid quarterback to become a truly influential leader, the big man on campus had to be jettisoned.”
“‘It’s hard to take over leadership when you’ve got a strong personality like Terrell,’” Jones said.
Is there any ambiguity that the article specifies Romo and TO? The article may be wrong and Jone’s statement may be distorted or misunderstood out of passage but there’s little denying that the article states TO was too dominant of a personality for Romo to overcome.
As for leadership – it is a transcendent ability – and Romo lacks it. He’s carefree, charismatic, and even charming at times but how many times did I see him sulk on the sidelines after a poor showing? jevans1729 was right – Romo didn’t display any of the behavior associated with leadership.
Romo may lead the ’Boyz to the Bowl but its a bad omen when he lacks the conviction and force of will to impose his leadership on the team.
As for his performance, it was another point about my frustrations with Romo. He’s as inconsistent as the rest of the team. Period.
Yes, take your common sense but learn to read first or run of the risk of making false claims about the article.
by bresson on Jun 21, 2009 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like I said
I never read a direct quote that from the Jones’ that said “Romo”. Mayb eI missed it. What you quoted was the writer.
You don’t know Romo and therefore you cannot possibly know his abilities as far as leadership.
And no, you tied his inconsistency to leadership, Read your own material.
And thanks, I need no lectures from you with your half-baked attempts at logic. You are emotionally attached to criticizing Romo and only that which supports your emotional position is considered. Great, No point in discussing with you because the result in your mind must always be the same.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jun 21, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bresson,
it seems you, Grizz, and I saw the article the same way. Others are entitled to their reading and I respect their opinions. However, I am a fan who has been watching the Cowboys for a long time. I think the fact that half of the passing duo that had the most TDs over the last three years is no longer together, for the reasons outlined, is a sad case at best. I think you are right about “conviction and force of will.” It appears Romo is a pretty laid back guy and that by itself does not mean you can’t lead. However, if you read some of the stuff written here about Owens, you would think the guy brought a Mac-10 to work everyday and Romo was “reluctant” to address the situation between Owens and himself.
The team has now scuttled a significant part of the defense of 08 and Owens on offense. Curious someone like Corey Proctor wasn’t cut. But then he wasn’t an overbearing personality or a nefarious self absorbed guy. He was just a turnstile for every defensive linemen in the NFL in 08. I sure hope this strategy works or it’s going to be a long cold winter where I live.
by jevans1729 on Jun 21, 2009 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whether they specifically reference Romo
wasn’t important to my point.
Let me reiterate. Neither you nor Bresson or anyone outside Romo’s world can state with authority his capacity to lead. It is an interpersonal skill and to be able to know if he has “it” you’d have work with him, play on the team, spend time around him and those he is supposed to be a leader for. That is an unsupported opinion, I don’t know if Tony has or even can lead. But I know that none of us know and probably won’t until Phillips writes his magnum opus “A Marshmallow Too Far”.
I’m out.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jun 22, 2009 5:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see,
now whether or not they specifically mention Romo is not important to your point. You only said it twice but O.K. All of us are limited in developing accurate information to support our opinions. My opinion, if you want to call it that, was I had not seen evidence of his desire to lead the team. Since I have seen, no evidence of it, I think I have a right to question his desire to do it. Since the team’s management felt it needed to get rid of a HOF wide receiver to allow Romo this opportunity, it brings into question whether or not he can do it. I will know the answer before Phillips’ magnum opus because the ball is in Romo’s court now rightly or wrongly. If the team is successful, he will get the accolades. If not, the questions will continue. Let the games begin.
by jevans1729 on Jun 22, 2009 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still believe that the leadership issue is
far more than Romo, I as more than adequately explained in previous posts. It’s nice when players take charge. It’s essential that coaches have the players’ attention. Because I have yet to see a direct quote that names Romo from the Jones’ boys, I am still inclined to believe that they want many others besides Romo to be able to step up. But as I said, that’s a side issue.
I realize that trains of thought get lost in the long back-and-forth, but with respect to “opinions” read back a bit. The whole dialogue/diatribe began when Bresson ridiculed the previous discussion with comments about the absence of “rational, dispassionate analysis” and then proceeded to make his points based on a complete lack of knowledge of Romo’s interaction with the team. You can call it opinion and people can disagree, but when you come out swinging, accusing others on the board of not analyzing rationally, you have to come with better than pure speculation with no basis whatsoever in fact. There is no basis for believing that Romo is incapable of leadership, just as there is no basis for believing him to be a leader.
Of course it’s a question about Romo, so also is it a question about Phillips, Garrett and WIlliams. Every season is essentially a question to answered. That’s why we watch the games.
Some will convince themselves of anything – especially when so-called "common sense" takes over rational, dispassionate analysis.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jun 22, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's what the player said after that loss to the Eagles
“If this is the worst thing that ever happens to me," the player said, "then I’ll have lived a pretty good life.”
Maybe the guys who thought the world of TO were looking for someone who wants to win. Tears must have came to the players eyes upon seeing the other players look up to TO and not him.
by ym on Jun 20, 2009 11:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We all know that quote
It’s really, really old news. So what? Personally I’ve seen enough of the world to realize that he’s right – it’s a sport and more than that an entertainment business. Fans may live and die by it, but I’d be disappointed if these guys DIDN’T have something more important in their lives – family for starters. Now THAT would be a warped perspective. Try getting out of your grandma’s basement once in a while., There’s a world out there.
And aren’t you over-due on your team’s latest discussion of Jason Campbell?
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jun 21, 2009 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It may just be a sport but its HIS job.
He gets paid to win, not lose. I don’t know about you but i take my job very seriously because it puts a roof over my head and food on the table. I dont want to “lose” anything. I’m in sales so its a very big deal if i lose a bid. It might be easy for romo to be so nonchalant because he gets paid millions of dollars and will be just fine if he gets fired tomorrow. But what kind of message is he sending by not taking his job seriously. I mean of course family comes first but your job should be very close behind.
If i was his boss and coworkers id be very upset over that statement. To me it means hes just going through the motion to get a paycheck. Where i work i cant complete my job successfully if everyone else isnt giving 100% and vice versa. Why is it any different? Yeah its a sport but its his job.
What the French?! Toast!
by thebigham on Jun 21, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's an extreme interpretation
nothing he said indicated that he didn’t care about his job. His dad is struggling with cancer. What if that was on his mind? It’s perhaps the most-overhyped and over-analyzed sound bite in sports history and given every other sign of short body of work, he is intently interested in getting better and giving his all.
I spent 20 yeaars in the Army and another 8 working for the Army. I know all about dedication and commitment, but I would disappointed in any of my soldiers or leaders not seeing the bigger things in life despite the criticality of the calling. On fact the Army pushes family programs and encourages time with family in a big way. It’s not a binary equation – all in or all out. If Romo is doing his utmost to be a better QB, he doesn’t have to live the life of a monk to prove to you and Tim Mac Mahon that he’s a “team player”. It’s a ridiculous standard that he can’ be allowed to live his life and Pay football. I’m not sure why anyone thinks it a rational model for any professional walk of life.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jun 21, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is he nonchalant?
He snagged the job from Bledsoe midgame, went on to being a Pro Bowl QB, and helped return Dallas to postseason success. It’s obvious he takes his job seriously. Is there evidence to prove otherwise?
Personally, I think Romo’s interviews—postgame, pregame, during practice, whenever—are smart because he’s trying to stay as vague as possible with the media. Look at how he’s been butchered, even by Cowboys’ fans. Could you imagine if he called people out like a guy like P.Rivers does? Besides, that’s not him. He’s more in the Marion Barber mode, except he has to talk because he is the QB.
Obviously, the guy should never ever even open his mouth because he gets scrutinized for every word. I just don’t understand the negative focus that Cowboys fans have on the guy.
When Philly drafted McNabb, their fans booed the selection. Now, they think he’s fabulous because all of the world is focusing on 44-6 and 0-3. Cowboys fans seem to be playing right into that.
"Grow where you are planted."
by Aaron Novinger on Jun 21, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think eagle fans are 5050 on liking mcnabb haha
What the French?! Toast!
by thebigham on Jun 21, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That comment was nonchalant
I can see how it can be taken out of context esp with his dads thing. But can someone really say win the superbowl if their train of thought is hey its no big deal if we lose? Theres a time and place for everything i believe. If thats his mentality after its all said and done and he can reflect on it then fine. But if thats how he thinks during the game then something is wrong.
Look im a huge romo fan. I defend him when people never say hes won a big game or how HE chokes in the playoffs. But that comment didnt set right with me and obviously many fans. What sucks most is it was the last game of the season so all we have is to linger on that.
What the French?! Toast!
by thebigham on Jun 21, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it is that at all
I think it is his way to take pressure off. I’ve done the same thing myself – “It’s no big deal, it’s no big deal, it’s just a game”. In truth that’s what all the greats in sports essentially do – treat every game regardless of magnitude and public fanfare as just another practice session. Joe Montana is famouse for starting “The Drive” by pointing out to Harris Barton that John Candy was in the stands. He took his job seriously, I’m thinking, he just wanted to take himself out of the momentousness of the occasion and relax. Romo probably needs to tell himself that it’s not the worst thing in the world so he doesn’t wallow in disappointment. A guy who plays that many sports is not going to suddenly be a passive, non-competitive wet rag when he he’s playing at the top of America’s sport.
And you know what, it’s NOT the worst thing in the world. Not by a long shot.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jun 21, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
never said it was but
Im not gonna let my boss know that.
“Hey boss its no big deal i just blew that huge sale, there are more things important in life that this anyway”
What employer would be happy with that employee? I’m sure Jerry and romo talked about it and such but we only know what is said publicly. And the point is Football is a business and its main goal is to win to drive the fanbase up and get more sales.
And also theres a difference in treating big games like they are any other game versus saying its no big deal that we lost.
What the French?! Toast!
by thebigham on Jun 21, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
and he didn’t say losing was no big deal or that he was focused on other things and that cost them the game. That never happened. The question they asked was how he was going to cope with a disappointing season though the long off-season and gave his philosophy. They didn’t ask him “How do you feel about losing this game”.
Seriously, don’t get caught up on the hype. Did you see him give everything he had in the Giants’ game after getting his back smashed? That’s not a guy who is in it for a paycheck. Could he stop being honest and start using bland, Aikman type answers? Absolutely. I wish he would because the media is so shark-like you’ll never actually be able to open about any human emotions.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jun 21, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh i know
I defend romo like its my job esp in citing playoff like games that hes single handlely won. But it was the last thing We, I, have in my mind so of course it lingers.
What the French?! Toast!
by thebigham on Jun 21, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Believe me
I wish he’d keep most of that stuff to himself because he’s not going to catch a break until the team wins a few playoff games. He really needs a PR coach.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jun 21, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i just dont want to see him turn into shaun alexander
What the French?! Toast!
by thebigham on Jun 21, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I can't wait till the season starts so we can forget that game.
Maybe this will show them why it’s important to finish strongly.
"Grow where you are planted."
by Aaron Novinger on Jun 21, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You show how much you care by your preparation. Performance counts but..
To quote Patton, ‘If a man gives his best what else is there.’
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the goverment from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
by squidlo97 on Jun 21, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I work in an NICU and PICU. I worked in cancer centers, ERs, and ICUs.
Im telling you that there are worse things than losing football games. Sometimes in life when your feeling low take a look around and you will find worse standing in line at the supermarket. If he didnt care deeply he wouldnt have tried to put things in perspective to console himself.
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the goverment from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
by squidlo97 on Jun 21, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't have said it better
It IS just a game, and can’t hold a candle to real tragedy and triumph.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jun 21, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
never said there wasnt worse things than losing a game
but the fact still remains its his JOB to win football games and if he truly has that attitude while playing in a game then he shouldnt be playing
What the French?! Toast!
by thebigham on Jun 21, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But he does win games
And he has said over and over what his attitude about winning is – to try to get better every day. He DOES work hard. Read what everyone on the team says, not what JFE opines for pay. And ciminy, would the team off-load TO to help Tony and others takes the reins if they thought he was a slacker?
When things don’t make sense all put together, they are usually wrong.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jun 21, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i know he does
but the last game he didnt then he had that to say. I just hope he didnt develop a new philosophy in life and lose his edge.. ie Roy Williams 31#
What the French?! Toast!
by thebigham on Jun 21, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought the attitude was after the game not during.
Dont give me this BS thats going around he quit. 2nd half down by 21 points. Drives the length of the field to their 14 were he runs out of the pocket gets the ball knocked away where it is returned 85 yards for a TD.
Down by 29 points takes the ball and drives down inside the 20 where Barber(who rarely ever fumbles)fumbles and the ball is returned 80+ yards for another TD. Did they quit here?! yeah probably but the game was over long before now. He continues to play even after he cracks ribs knowing he has to throw every play and the eagles are not even playing the run any more.
How come no one points out the Defense sucked in the 1st half.
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the goverment from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
by squidlo97 on Jun 21, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still on this eh...
Look up “coping mechanisms.” You might find that not everyone yells and gets extremely angry when they come face to face with extreme disappointment.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Jun 21, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TO's biggest display of 'leadership'
consisted of him recruiting other players to complain about/to the OC. It’s insidious and designed to undermine. He ‘mentored’ younger player so they would support him in his inevitable ’they’re against me’ posturing. It’s called ‘The Empowerment of Victimization,’ and is used to justify your own bad behavior because you are supposedly responding to mistreatment.
I went through this with Prime Time, when I was against his signing. As fellow DC fanatic told me, ‘he may be an a$$, but he’s our a$$ now.’ That’s exactly the approach I took with TO. Years 1 and 2 were unexpectedly good – little destructive behaviors, some drama, but I discounted it because the production was off the charts. This past year, I argued repeatedly, we needed to replace the production and couldn’t stand the salary cap hit. Well, the people that own/run the team thought differently.
There’s no doubt in my mind TO held the offense – OC and QB especially, hostage last year. Look no further than the 1st WAS game for confirmation. Even after getting the ball forced to him, to the detriment of the team, he complained even more.
No player, no matter how talented, is above the team. They are means to the end. TO’s inability to sublimate his desire for personal achievement, sudden inability to get of LOS jams, frequent drops made the juice not worth the squeeze.
He’s not our problem anymore, so I really don’t care that much about his present or future. I do think we will now be a better team. Better results ? Only time will tell…
'Kade Out!'
by tdships on Jun 21, 2009 9:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You are correct
I think some people are fooled by the word “leader”, as if it’s always a good thing. There are good and bad people who can exercise leadership. A natural leader may rise to the top of a street gang but they don’t exercise positive leadership. Owens had too many personality flaws – selfishness, jealousy, hyper-sensitivity – to be a positive leader despite his engaging personality.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jun 21, 2009 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW
Happy Father’s Day, Cowboys fans!!!
"Grow where you are planted."
by Aaron Novinger on Jun 21, 2009 10:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's Fathers' Day???
Crap! I need to stop blogging and get busy!
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jun 21, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
me2
"Grow where you are planted."
by Aaron Novinger on Jun 21, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I reflected on the player's words of wisdom
indeed there are worst things that can happen. For example, there could be a nuclear holocaust. Or what if an asteroid hits the earth? Or what if a black hole suddenly appears and swallows the earth, vaporizing us into atoms? The black hole scenario was farfetched, but the asteroid scenario wasn’t (just ask that kid in Germany who was hit by one last week. There are worse things that could have happened to him as well: what if it hit his head?). Whenever something bad happens to me, when I don’t meet expectations, when I disappoint others, I will look back on the player’s words of wisdom and think it could be worst if an asteroid hit the earth.
by ym on Jun 21, 2009 12:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
YM, what would your words of wisdom be
after a beatdown like that. You’ve had several months to come up with the perfect postgame speech, unclouded by pain and emotion. Romo had to speak off the cuff, right after enduring that loss. I’m curious. What could Romo have said that would make you feel better about his level of commitment this year?
“I’m devastated, crushed. I’m a beaten man, I don’t know if I can bear the weight of this loss. I need to slink home and stay secluded for several months and contemplate whether I can go on.’ Too extreme? Probably not for some.
I think I understood what Romo was saying and I’m OK with it. Honestly, what words would you have said to convey the right sentiment at that moment? Someone will probably still be critical.
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
by Jim Vance on Jun 21, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The same threadbare professional stuff you always expect
“Our team didn’t play well. We apologize to our fans for our performance. I’ll promise we’ll be at the top again next year…”
by ym on Jun 22, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't give a crap about empty words to the press. What matters to me
are the things you and I will never see: how ALL of the players handle this adversity, how they relate to each other, their performance on the field. Your hurt feelings over what Romo said after a crushing loss (and don’t tell me he didn’t care-he didn’t take himself out of that game when he injured those ribs, did he? Wasn’t he the one waving off the kicking team to try and get something going on offense?) are irrelevant at this point, and I really don’t get continuing to whine about it. Those words were clearly said at a low point as a way to cope with a lot of stupid media questioning, and to hold them against him months later, when they clearly didn’t reflect what we all saw on the field, strikes me as sour grapes. He’s not an actor; if you want big emotional speeches, there are a bunch of inspirational sports movies you can rent.
by Fernie67 on Jun 22, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correction: we WILL see their performances on the field, and that will be the
measure of how all of these changes pan out, not if Romo makes pretty, crowd-pleasing post-game speeches.
by Fernie67 on Jun 22, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TO is still quite the lightening rod for conversation
107 comments in a night is a lot for this time of year. I like your insinuations about Stephen Jones assuming more command, but when he’s owner, I will miss JJ’s flair for the dramatic.
About our Oline, while I realize if Flozel went down, we’d replace only the LT, would it make some sense to instead slide Marc Colombo over to LT, and give Brewster a shot at RT if Flozel were gamed for a while?
by AustonianAggie on Jun 21, 2009 1:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Free would do better and we wouldnt have as many guys playing out of position.
I believe Brewster needs a year in the weight room. Of course these questions and more will be answered soon. If Brewster has game maybe. Of course I dont know if Columbo could play LT. Speed guys trouble him.
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the goverment from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
by squidlo97 on Jun 21, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pearson's take on T.O.'s bad influence on younger receivers
Drew Pearson had an interview on GAC a couple weeks ago where he gives some really good insights from a WR perspective into why T.O. was a bad influence on the developing receivers:
When I look at the receiver corps, I don’t see much growth there, and I think that growth was stunted because of Terrell Owens’ presence. And the way he did thinks, they were successful, they might have been okay because they made him successful, but they maybe were not the right way to get things done as far as teaching and young guys learning and emulating you as a wide receiver. You know, he didn’t follow things by the book, there’s a lot of things I could see him doing—I’m talking about Owens—releases off the line, in and out of his breaks, his pass routes, the sharpness wasn’t there, the backside routes, when the ball was supposed to be going somewhere else, was he really hustling on the back side, no.
So all these kinds of things, you have a tendency if you’re a receiver playing behind somebody like that, you’re going to start doing those same things, because first of all he’s successful in getting away with it, and second of all the coaches aren’t going to correct him very often, so they’re going to let him get away with some of those things, and that to me presents a negative influence as far as the growth of those young receivers that they have, and to me, they haven’t really progressed enough for us to be really considering and counting on them to be a big part of the offense this year.
by scottmaui on Jun 21, 2009 4:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Very true but kida scary thinking they might not have as much to offer this year. We'll see.
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the goverment from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
by squidlo97 on Jun 21, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love it
The Best thing about the article is the continued ascendance of Stephen Jones.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Jun 21, 2009 6:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Riddle me this Batman
1) To all of the Terrell Owens fans: I don’t hate TO, I don’t think that it was ALL his fault at all, but come on. It kills me that there is almost complete denial that he could be a distraction. Am I the only guy who remembered him doing situps in his driveway? It hasn’t ever been about people liking him, he’s a likable dude, but the same people who will get on here and get onto Romo for that speech after the Philly game, TOTALLY just forget about a receiver that WON the Washington game and then still bitched to the media about getting involved.
That’s the leader we got rid of, really? The same guy who BTW is on his fourth team in the NFL. A regular Ray Lewis right there.
2) YM, Tex, Sharksbreath: Who are you going to go out and replace Romo with? Do you have 1-800-DialAQB on your phone?
Instead of totally wanting a new QB, just hope that cuts down on his mental errors. The dude has said some stuff I think was stupid, and he makes some untimely errors sometimes, but no one on here can convince me that we would better off with Jon Kitna at the helm or some free agent QB. Then you take the risk of drafting QB’s every year. For those who throw out “Matt Ryan!” I can throw out Alex Smith! Jamarcus Russell!
And if you don’t hit on them, then you’re doing the same thing 3 or 4 years down the line.
Romo isn’t the best QB, but he’s a damned good one.
it was weird, I... I mean you probably didn't hear about it because I went under the name of Mike Honcho. But I just wanted you to know that. If you can hear me, if it got into your brain somehow. That I spread my buttcheeks as Mike Honcho.
by AirforceBat on Jun 22, 2009 1:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You need to provide the QB a stable environment.
I think we can do quite a bit with Romo.
Making sure the QB has the means to “take over” a team is paramount.
You can’t worry about the wheels of a car when the engine isn’t running smoothly. It will ultimately break down. The QB keeps this thing going.
I think getting rid of any obstructions that limit the maturity of Romo (or any QB for that matter) is the wisest thing they can do. I don’t care how much it costs.
by rotovibe on Jun 22, 2009 3:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did any one hear
Brandon Jacobs on Rome is burning radio show? He really hates the Cowboys.
by Musiccitynorm on Jun 22, 2009 3:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I hate when guys call out other teams and players
I hate it when Crayton does it and I sure have no respect for Jacobs. It’s classless.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jun 22, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice!
More of a reason to root for Bradie James to blow Jacobs up at the line of scrimmage next season. I’m glad he hates the Cowboys, because I hate him too…and I hope a Cowboy shares my feelings enough to knock his hat off.
Everything's looking up, Milhouse!
by accidental innuendo on Jun 22, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the only good thing ROy WIlliams SS did the last few years
was he seemed to bring his A game and lay the wood on Jacobs. Of course, he made up for the solid run D by getting blown up by plax.
by foyesboys on Jun 23, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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