10 Training Camp Battles for the Dallas Cowboys
Looking forward to training camp, I put together a list of 10 training camp battles I'll be watching. Some are traditional battles - Player X vs. Player Y for a particular role. Some are more concept battles, or group battles. They're not just about who will make the roster or not, but who will play important roles and what they must do. They're sort of in order of importance, starting with the lesser battles.
TE vs. FB vs. Offensive Schemes
The Cowboys have been dabbling with more 2-TE sets in the recent OTA's and mini-camps, utilizing Jason Witten and Martellus Bennett. With two TEs it's usually a FB who gets sacrificed unless it's short yardage. Deon "Cricket" Anderson is the incumbent FB joined by contenders Julius Crosslin and Asaph Schwapp. How much will the FB be used and will they carry only one on the roster? They also have to consider what they want their third TE to be, is he going to be used out of the backfield as a blocker on a significant amount of plays? This could affect the battle between rookie John Phillips and holdover Rodney Hannah. What the offensive scheme is geared more toward in 2009 will help decide which of these guys make the roster and how they will be utilized.
David Buehler vs. The Endzone
They brought in Buehler to improve the kickoffs. They can't afford to keep him around and take up two roster spots with kickers if he isn't providing a serious upgrade in touchbacks and deep kicks. Nick Folk is as close to a lock as you can get for kickers to remain as the guy on FG's. In camp, Buehler has to prove he can consistently hit the endzone with his kicks. Only then, can they think about other special teams' roles for the rookie.
Eight more battles after the jump.
Manuel Johnson vs. The Rest
For argument sake, let's say the Cowboys keep six WR's. Roy Williams, Miles Austin and Patrick Crayton are locks. Sam Hurd has a very good chance at remaining and Isaiah Stanback is probably going to get another year to prove his worth. (Of course, injuries can always change this scenario). If those five retain their spots on the roster, then you have one open WR position. And a long list of unknowns ready to fill it. I separated Manuel Johnson out because he was drafted this year, meaning the Cowboys are intrigued enough to give him an opportunity. But this is really a battle between Johnson and guys like Mike Jefferson, Kevin Ogletree, Julian Hawkins, and Travis Wilson - and possibly a guy from 4th and Long. Can anybody make an impression at camp?
Alan Ball vs. Courtney Brown vs. Pat Watkins
These guys represent a larger battle between guys who have been on the team, and some new faces, to grab some of the last spots in the secondary. Terence Newman, Mike Jenkins and Orlando Scandrick are going to be the top corners. Ken Hamlin and Gerald Sensabaugh are going to be the top safeties. After that, there's a mad scramble. Alan Ball and Courtney Brown have been tried at corner and safety. Pat Watkins is going to battle at safety. Throw into the mix draft picks Mike Mickens, DeAngelo Smith and Mike Hamlin, and you have a royal rumble to fill out the rest of the secondary. I give a little edge to the draft picks only because the other guys have had their time in Dallas and have yet to impress. The rookies will get to show their stuff and if they show potential, they could be kept over the veterans. Ball, Brown and Watkins all need to impress at training camp to remain with the Cowboys.
Kyle Kosier vs. Montrae Holland
I don't know if this is a true battle or a media-created battle given Kosier's absence from practices while still recovering from injury. I'll admit, I've bashed Kosier before for being the weak link along the line before. Last year opened my eyes - without him, we suffered. But, will Kosier be healthy and remain healthy? Montrae Holland is a big lineman, the kind Dallas prefers. Now that he's been with the team for a year, we'll get to see if he really is the better option at guard. Then again, this could be much ado about nothing; Kosier might walk right back into his place and not miss a beat.
Anthony Spencer vs. Offensive Tackles
The Cowboys have definitely thrown in their lot with Anthony Spencer. After releasing Greg Ellis, Spencer is the clear starter opposite DeMarcus Ware. So how will he perform? We've seen bits and pieces of his talent, but can he create the need for offensive coordinators to pay attention to him, thus lessening the attention to Ware. The Cowboys need a credible threat opposite Ware so teams don't start throwing two and three blockers his way on a consistent basis. Spencer has to be able to beat offensive tackles so that he will also demand chip blocks and occasional double-teams, in hopes of freeing up Ware.
Brandon Williams vs. Victor Butler vs. Rookie Expectations
The Cowboys are now depending on these two guys to make the transition from DE to OLB as the primary backups on the outside. While battling each other, they're also battling the need to be at least a credible players in that role. Either player could be one injury to another player away from getting significant playing time. Can a rookie making that transition fill that role? Is one, or both, capable of meeting the expectations being placed on them? We'll find out this year and our first real look will be at training camp.
Bobby Carpenter vs. The Rookies vs. His Reputation
Going into training camp, Carpenter will get the first look as the inside linebacker in the nickel defense. This is his last chance to create a home for himself with the Cowboys. Last year, Carpenter had a great camp but it didn't translate into serious playing time. This year, the Cowboys don't have Kevin Burnett to fall back on, so Carpenter is going to get his chance. But he'll also have to compete with rookies Jason Williams and Stephen Hodge. Can Carpenter turn around his bust reputation this year?
Patrick Crayton vs. Miles Austin
Who will be the starter? All signs point to Austin. Jerry Jones has talked about him enough this offseason and the offense could clearly use his speed on the outside. Patrick Crayton has been solid for the Cowboys outside of a couple of high-profile mistakes. Crayton is a known quantity, we know he can produce, his numbers will tell you that. But is he better off being the third WR and playing in the slot? That's what the Cowboys want, but Miles Austin has to finally get past the ‘potential' label and actually make things happen. If the Cowboys can get that out of Austin, they'll be very happy with their WR situation behind Roy Williams.
Mike Jenkins vs. Orlando Scandrick
One of them will start on the outside opposite Terence Newman, the other will be the nickel corner. Either way, they're both going to be playing significant minutes. But I'm intrigued to see which one comes out on top for the traditional second CB role. Both are clearly talented and showed a lot of potential last year. This year will be about building on that momentum for each player and carrying their good work over to a new season. The battle between them at camp to be the ‘starter' will be fun to watch, even though in the end both will be playing a lot.
Any battles you would add to the list?
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Maybe not a true battle...
but I think finding out who the backup NT will be, will be interesting to watch as well.
it was weird, I... I mean you probably didn't hear about it because I went under the name of Mike Honcho. But I just wanted you to know that. If you can hear me, if it got into your brain somehow. That I spread my buttcheeks as Mike Honcho.
by AirforceBat on Jun 23, 2009 1:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
I was thinking the same. This one might be decided after another team cuts somebody.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Jun 24, 2009 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
MB3 v Jones v Choice for carries
I think no matter who wins the starting job, the battle to see who gets the most carries and who ends up becoming the focal point of our running game will be an extremely interesting battle, that IMO will even go far beyond TC, but well into the regular season.
IMO, one of these backs is going to emerge as ’the man" and my money is on the Cat.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jun 23, 2009 1:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Really?
I never saw that as a battle between the three.
More like a battle for Jason Garrett to be able to use all of their particular skill sets.
That being said, I still don’t think that Felix will have more carries then Barber. Maybe an equal or more touches but Barber.
I think people are still writing Barber off way too quickly. He had a bad year, but the offesive line woes as well as his own injuries effected his stats down the stretch.
it was weird, I... I mean you probably didn't hear about it because I went under the name of Mike Honcho. But I just wanted you to know that. If you can hear me, if it got into your brain somehow. That I spread my buttcheeks as Mike Honcho.
by AirforceBat on Jun 23, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I agree with you. Its not gonna be about who emerges out of the 3 of them, its gonna be about how we utilize them in games and how garrett handles the “hot hand” at the time.
and i agree with you on barber. WHile there is no way he should get as many carries a he did at the beginning of lat year…he should still see the lions share. At worst, 50% with felix and choice splittin the rest.
by foyesboys on Jun 23, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
all athletes are competitive
so I think all 3 will want to get as many carries as possible so to me, it’s just as much of a battle as Crayton v Austin or Jenkins v Scandrick because they will all get significant playing time, it’s just a matter of how much or who gets the most balls or opportunities.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jun 23, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I think the situation will dictate who plays. They seem like 3 different backs who all should have a role. A slug fest will lean toward MBIII and a shootout will lean towards Felix. Tash goes both ways easier. I think they will compete for stats.
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by squidlo97 on Jun 23, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It seems to me
that MBIII’s and Choice’s skill sets are a lot more similar than Felix’s are. My question becomes in what area does Choice cut out a niche for himself? Jones’ speed makes him much more of a threat on plays in space than either Choice or Barber. Barber is a bigger, more experienced, not to mention more highly paid back than Choice. Choice is kind of “Barber light”. I’m not saying that’s a bad thing, but I think he and Barber share a similar type of between the tackle type of style more than Felix. Jones is going to be big in this offense whether he is in the slot, in the eye, etc. and I think his skill set is the most distinctive of the three.
by jevans1729 on Jun 23, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
They are close to the same back. i think Choice has a better 1st step but Barber more power. Im splitting hairs but Choice might have a little better vision but Barber seems to have that 6th sense for the endzone.
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by squidlo97 on Jun 23, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear you on using all three...
…but I don’t think it’s realistic. I think you can use two running backs significantly in an offense, but I can’t recall a recent NFL offense that got significant action out of 3 healthy backs within the course of single games.
Look at the Giants last year, for instance. They had a similarly talented trio of backs in Jacobs, Ward, and Bradshaw. And everyone talked about the Earth, Wind, and Fire thing. But in reality, Bradshaw saw a fraction of the workload of the other two when all three were healthy (that last part is important— when Jacobs was out, then Bradshaw stepped into the change-of-pace role and got more action).
If all three backs are healthy, I think you’re looking at 28-30 carries per game split between the lead two runners, and the third guy getting the short end of the stick with 3-4 total offensive touches. In my viewing experience, they’re just aren’t enough balls to go around for 3 backs to contribute significantly to an offense.
If you bring in special teams touches, of course, then that changes things up a bit.
For the record, I actually think Tashard will be battling Marion for carries, not Felix. Felix’s skill set is unique amongst the three, so I don’t see him directly competing with them for touches. The plays that are run for Felix are not plays that MB3 or Choice could step in and execute.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Jun 23, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
I don’t even see how this is a discussion that finds any dispute.
It’s MBIII vs Choice – if you give this discussion credence. Jones isn’t a RB like them, so his # of carries/touches will remain constant.
Choice is MBIII’s backup. Any further discussion about this than that is barbershop (blogging) gossip. Which has its place, but it’s empty and just a way to pass time.
by Joey2zs on Jun 23, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jason Garrett vs common sense...
Will he move to a more rushing-oriented attack?
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 23, 2009 1:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The theme of training camp is going to be battles.
I think there will be a surprise or two.
laugh if you want, but
Flozell vs Free
Brookings vs Carpenter
Barber vs Jones and Choice
Jerry Jones vs Wade Phillips
by Musiccitynorm on Jun 23, 2009 1:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
jerry vs wade??
It seems to me like Jerry has really handed over teh controls to wade this offseason. Wade has brought in his guys, its his defense now. I’d doubt Jerry changes his philosophy in TC
by foyesboys on Jun 23, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nope, all but 1 of those are already determend
Flozell, despite being older and slower than Free, still out classes this 1AA over-hyped under-muscled no show.
Carpenter is in a nickel LB battle to start the year with the Rookies. I would love to see him step up and battle Brooking for those running downs, but I’m not holding my breath. I expect the rookies will be pushing him for that nickel spot before the season ends.
Jerry vs Wade…are you kidding me?
As stated by several others, Garrett and Injuries will determine thier fate,….and the effectiveness of the O-Line.
by bad knees on Jun 23, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Romo vs December... yeah I know its not training camp but were still waiting right?
by dallasfansince75 on Jun 23, 2009 2:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Tight Man vs. Off the LOS
Will Wade let Newman, Jenkins and Scandrick play tight-man-to-man coverage at the start of the play, or will it be like last year where the outside CBs were consistently lined up 7-10 yards off the WR?
Seems like the release of Henry has sort of answered that question, but time will tell.
by egtuna on Jun 23, 2009 2:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Everything that we’ve heard about Henry’s release indicated he was the reason we couldn’t play press coverage last year. I’m confident we won’t be seeing nearly as much of that dreaded 8 yard cushion this season.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Jun 23, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
O-Line vs. Age
This battle will extend way beyond training camp and will progressively get tougher as the season progresses (hopefully well beyond December).
At the end of the season all our O-Line starters will be 31 or older (Colombo, Davis, Gurode and Kosier all 31, Adams 34).
Romo cannot be allowed to fight for his life time and again because the O-Line isn’t holding up. The Cowboys have great offensive potential, but if the line cannot protect the quarterback, this season will simply be 2008 reloaded.
by One.Cool.Customer on Jun 23, 2009 2:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Gurode v. The Yips
Gurode needs to prove he can snap the ball with authority and consistency. No more arch balls to Romo or balls snapped when Romo is still barking out signals.
by Iowacowboy on Jun 23, 2009 2:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's a nice hope, but I wouldn't count on it
Gurode’s been yipping on snaps like that for years…it seems a bit late in his career for him to change significantly.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Jun 23, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well since we arent really taking about Camp anymore
how about
DWare vs human eye. How many times with he be called offsides when he just timed in perfectly
What the French?! Toast!
by thebigham on Jun 23, 2009 3:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
AMEN to that.....
as i recall (and i could be wrong here) but i am pretty sure that Ware was called for a phantom offsides on a 3rd down in the 1st Q of that Giants playoff game…i think Manning hit Toomer for the 52yd TD a couple of plays later…and the Thong had one of his bad angle, slip & fall lazy-@ass missed tackles…..but i digress
by McLovin9 on Jun 23, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
It was the next play after the bad call that Toomer got in the endzone (on first down after the 3rd and four that the call came on) and it was Henry who missed the tackle.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Jun 23, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
damn that upset me
the play is here….right at the 16 second mark….Henry misses the tackle but Thong just gives a pathetic effort
that game still makes me feel sick
by McLovin9 on Jun 23, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
know what?
each of those three clowns are elsewhere… ellis, henry and thong.
by Joey2zs on Jun 23, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+100000000
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the goverment from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
by squidlo97 on Jun 23, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
really?
he jumps offsides all the time. he actually isn’t faster than the human eye. he’s not the fastest man to ever play pro football.
he guesses a lot, and guesses wrong a lot.
It’s not the officials’ fault if they throw a flag when he MAY have timed the call juuuuuust right… it’s Ware’s fault for having been offsides ALL THE FREAKING TIME. And bitch all you want, but slow motion doesn’t show definitively that he’s not offsides. Being at the line of scrimmage as the ball is snapped is offsides.
He’s a really good player. He’s not super human. If he’d add more moves to his repertoire, he wouldn’t feel like he’s got to guess the snap count.
For every idiotic jump offsides he gets when no one is moving and he’s running around guys still in their 3 point stance, he DOESN’T get the next call that’s so close that it would take slow motion and lasers to prove he may be onsides.
You only get the benefit of the doubt when there’s more doubt than certainty.
by Joey2zs on Jun 23, 2009 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even ignoring the rest of your rant, it is retarded to suggest Ware does not have a lot of pass rush moves. I mean do you watch the Cowboys? If you did, I think you would realize that Ware uses a bull-rush, a spin move, a speed rush, and an inside rip move at different times. I assure you that a lack of pass rushing moves is not Demarcus Ware’s problem and if it was I doubt there would be any way that he could get 20 sacks.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Jun 23, 2009 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree
that rant was just stupid….
sometimes i just watch ware and not the defense to see what he does next…
my favorite move of his is def the bull rush, i remember he pushing an offensive tackle straight back to the qb… and his speed rush is like no one elses in the league, he blows past offensive linemen and turns the corner to the qb so fast, unbelievable…
and he really doesn’t go offsides all that much…. i can remember maybe a handful of time in the past few years…
by CowboysFan4Life on Jun 24, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love watching the clip of D-Ware pancaking Alex Barron and then chasing down Jamie Martin for the sack in the last game of 2005.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Jun 24, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree 2z's
Slow motion replay clearly shows Ware gets flagged often as not for a lightning fast start and good anticipation.
I can’t blame the ref’s though as it too close at times. It should be a challenge-able call.
Certainly you aren’t giving Ware enough credit for his all around game.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Jun 24, 2009 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only idiotic part of this is your rant.
He is cat quick and that was a playoff game. Get the call right. He wasnt early and I felt the replay clearly showed he wasnt early. The extra play gave them the winning score. i also never ever thought of him as a guy who jumps offside alot but I have seen him falsely whistled 2-3 times over his career.
You only post to belittled someone else. Post an original thought Einstein and let us have a go at you.
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the goverment from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
by squidlo97 on Jun 24, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Romo vs Kitna
You will not hear this in the media or the usual “sources”, but Kitna has actually outperformed Romo in the OTAs and mini-camp and I am going to make a bold prediction…….Kitna never actually takes over as the #1 QB, but plays a key role in our stretch run in December. Remember where you heard it, fellas.
"The Most Dangerous Man in the world is the one with nothing to lose"
by SaratogaRacing on Jun 23, 2009 3:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Romo haters refuse to die
Kitna is a GREAT back-up QB … Romo has stats that say pro-bowler… the COWBOYS – as a team – need to step up in December. Romo haters hang their hat on a botched field goal. Romo cannot be blamed for the Cowboys play-off loss to the Giants. In fact, he was one of the few bright spots in that game.
Romo vs. Kitna in December? Kitna might even be THIRD string by then!
Tar Heels = National Champs in Basketball ... #1 in Baseball ... Top 10 this year in Football?
by DalaiLuke on Jun 23, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if there are people out there
who really believe Kitna could play better than Romo in December, that’s simply beyond delusional and devoid of all rational thought.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jun 23, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha, I love it. So easy to get Terry fired up. It’s definitely ridiculous to think Kitna is anything more than a clipboard caddy, but let me just throw something else out there…
I just read that Romo is going to be paired with Tiger Woods in a Pro-Am in a few weeks. This is now the 2nd golf story out of Romo this offseason. We all know the Mexico thing, and the “If this is the worst thing…” quote, his various celebrity relationships, and I read right here on BTB that the coaches were on him for being pear shaped.
With all this other stuff going on, are we sure he’s really all that into football?
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 23, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Romo was not a bright spot in the Giants playoff game.
His QB rating was a 64.7. If you want to say that he was not solely responsible, then I will give you that, but his play was just as much a factor as anyone’s in the loss. I think penalties were as much a problem as anything that day, and that should be a huge area of emphasis for the team this year, along with turnovers and field position.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jun 23, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, but a good D will sink your numbers along with drop passes and TDs.
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the goverment from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
by squidlo97 on Jun 23, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So will overthrowing or throwing it behind wide open guys. Again, I’m not saying it was solely his fault, but he didn’t play well either. I don’t want to hear about drops or the D or the line, sometimes it’s okay to just say, he didn’t play well.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jun 23, 2009 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I gotta tell you, I watched the entire Giants game and I don’t seem to recall any big misses or terrible throws when a guy was “wide open.” What I did see was that there were numerous dropped balls and other various receiver mistakes (stopping your route for example) that led to missed opportunities for the Cowboys offense. I also saw an offensive line that was slightly more effective than the speed bump that I can see out my window. The fact is that a whole game or season can’t be reflected in a purely statistical sense. So while Tony’s rating may have been mediocre, I thought he actually played at a level above what the rating would indicate.
To further my point, if QB play could be determined purely through statistics (aka QB rating) than the only QB better than Romo all-time would be Steve Young. And as much as I love Romo, there is no way him and Steve comprise the best two QB’s of all-time.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Jun 24, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah exactly, and to be specific on the next to last pass attempt
Crayton stopped in the middle of his rout around the goal line and than continued, had he not hesitated and kept going, he would of cought the ball at the end of the end zone.
TD, game over, Cowboys win and everything would have been forgotten by now.
by dcfanz on Jun 24, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crayton's worst game as a Cowboy
It is still painful to think about.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Jun 24, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about the 3rd down pass before the 3rd quarter FG?
by Baked Potato Soup on Jun 24, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And if QB play is subjective,
then I think he didn’t play well that game, as do many writers and analysts. I guess we should go to the tie breakers, whether his team won or not and his stats. His team lost and he had poor stats.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jun 24, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that his only bad pass of the game
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jun 24, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Romo doesn't have enough stats to qualify.
Young is in the Hall of Fame, and had good stats in the playoffs as well. Isn’t that what this is about with Romo? I mean, isn’t that the knock on him, that he doesn’t play as well in December and January? Look at guys like Aikman, Montana, etc., and they had good QB ratings in the playoffs, at least in the wins.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jun 24, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didnt rewatch the game but great Ds force a number of bad throws to Montana and Marinos of the world as well.
My post was that your not necessarily going to have high QB ratings against the Ravens, Steelers, Giants, ect….. of the world. It not the sole indicator of how you played.
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the goverment from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
by squidlo97 on Jun 24, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So a QB never plays poorly?
It’s okay to say someone didn’t have a good game, whether it’s Romo, Montana, Aikman, Staubach, Marino, Elway, or whoever. In the playoffs, you’re going to play against better defenses and it’s up to the QB to step his game up as well.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jun 24, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes but we are splitting hairs here.
Crayton or Fasano dont drop those passes were leading. Ware doesnt get called for offsides they kick and not score on the next play.
Those are 3 plays and 2 offensive plays. Not enough to make a big change in QB ratings but enough to change the outcome and the perception that Romo cant deliver in playoffs.
Romo played well enough to win that game yet 3 plays he had no control over have cemented in many guys minds he cant deliver. Throw in miss handled kick, (which has nothing to do with the fact he drove them down the field starting at his own 6 yard line as a QB), and now Romo is a guy who cant win big games.
I just think when dealing with a great D yoou should factor in more things and expect lower than usual results in terms of stats.
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the goverment from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
by squidlo97 on Jun 24, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The desperation INT as time expired brings that rating down
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Jun 24, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The one into double coverage when he had time?
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d805f724b/Giants-21-Cowboys-17
2:45 into that clip.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jun 24, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not wait a sec and see if someone comes open?
It’s your last play of the season either way, if you wait another second or 2, you can still throw an interception into double coverage if you want, but someone else might come open. Or even try throwing a jump ball or fade and give your receiver a chance instead of trying to rocket it through the chests of 2 defenders to your receiver behind them. Of course along with the quick slant, Romo struggles throwing the fade.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jun 24, 2009 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
easy for you to say in hindsight
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jun 25, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the source of your information regarding Kitna out-performing Romo is who? Yourself? Because frankly, I will trust the Cowboys coaches over some un-informed opinion.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Jun 23, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
truly absurd and ridiculous
it is true the haters will never die.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jun 23, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the love of God
That’s ridiculous, and I reserve the right to rub it in your face.
by GhostofGaryHogeboom on Jun 23, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh really?
glad you were there to see it first hand since you clearly didn’t see it in the media
by sublimezg on Jun 23, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cowboys versus Injury Bug
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Jun 23, 2009 3:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Jessica vs Kendra
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the goverment from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
by squidlo97 on Jun 23, 2009 3:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Are we talking Jessica circa Dukes of Hazzard or the Jessica from a few weeks ago?
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Jun 23, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Simpson in 1
Kendra is just odd to me.. And not just her personality either
by sublimezg on Jun 23, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
she's...
uh… not ‘intelligent.’ I don’t like watching her on TV – and I mean for like 3 seconds in a commercial – because I feel guilty knowing that she only garners attention for two reasons: the way she levers blatant, obvious, shallow and strangely empty sexuality, and that she is as simple and vacuous as a naive imbecile who can never understand the joke is on them.
You laugh at her because she’s as stupid as a post. You ogle her because she’s manuctured her looks to be something close to a Playboy “ideal.”
by Joey2zs on Jun 23, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I oogle her because Im shallow and a straight male.
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the goverment from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
by squidlo97 on Jun 24, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and unless you're gay, you'd do her in a heartheat
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jun 24, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am not gay, and I'd stay away from Kendra.
She is way too annoying to spend any time with at all
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Jun 24, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh this is a family blog but if you find the right thing in common you could spend a little time.
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the goverment from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
by squidlo97 on Jun 24, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kendra is the dumbest person alive
her laugh is annoying, too
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.
-Winston Churchill
by HudBaby on Jun 23, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dukes of Hazzard version though i heard she slimmed down recently.
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the goverment from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
by squidlo97 on Jun 23, 2009 4:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
In that case, I will definitely take Jessica over Kendra
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Jun 23, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about COWBOYS vs PENALTIES?
If I were Wade or Jerry or whoever, I would hire some high school or college refs to oversee every single practice and every single drill. Any time someone does something illegal, whether it’s a false start, facemask, pass interference, or whatever, blow the whistle, call them out, and make them do it again. It sounds like they are focused on the turnovers and special teams/field position, but I hope they realize that penalties hurt them just as badly as those other 2 factors last year.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jun 23, 2009 5:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
amen brother
Stupid penalties and other mental errors that kill drives have been devastating for this team.
by sublimezg on Jun 23, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup - expanded to Cowboys vs Mental errors
We seem to suffer too many mental breakdowns at critical points of the season – not just penalites.
"Where's Woody? - We need another Darren Woodson
by BoyfromOz on Jun 24, 2009 1:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hurd is a lock this year
I disagree with the assessment on the WRs. I think the first FOUR are a lock. And I think that’s obvious. No way Hurd is remotely on the bubble despite his health concerns. Thus,
Williams, Crayton, Hurd, Austin are in.
That leaves a certain 5th spot between the best hopeful and/or the special teams ace. Considering how many special teamers we have on D, I think that special teams ability won’t necessarily be the deciding factor on who we keep. Btw., I think Stanback has a minor leg-up for the 5th spot, but only if he can heal himself.
6th spot… I doubt it. Based on draft position, impressions from media through OTAs and my own biases, we don’t have a 6th receiver on our roster right now. Basically, I think our 2nd kicker or single fullback or 7th DB is a better player than that 6th receiver. The only DEFINITE reason we keep 6 is if we acquire a new WR (not very likely) or if one of our WRs starts the season hurt (somewhat likely)
by Eagles suck on Jun 23, 2009 6:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Practice squad verses Pick off on Wavers!
They won’t all make the 53, but they all have Talent and Potential. Can we sneak them past the rest of the league and keep them so they can get the development most of them need?
by bad knees on Jun 23, 2009 7:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That is a good question because guys like Manuel Johnson and maybe Ogletree, if they don’t make the 53 man roster, could be contributors after a year on the practice squad (see Marcus Dixon). As to if we could sneak them on, that will be dependent on their performance in the preseason and what type of needs the other 31 teams have. I would guess though that if we had two guys we wanted to sneak on (at receiver), I am sure we could probably get one of them on at least.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Jun 23, 2009 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and on the FB vs TE battle
I always thought they should have given Carp a shot!
by bad knees on Jun 23, 2009 7:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Tony Romo vs. His Reputation...
Tony has shown moments on the field… early in the season. He has also shown he can choke when the BIG game is on the line… He needs to learn how to protect the ball better, when it is still in his hands and he is scrambling… He also needs to leard to throw it away and not throw the interception like he has in the past.
His battle is with himself, because the Boys do not have a credible replacement… not even with the addition of Kitna! Kitna could not cut it in Detroit… he will be a bigger bust in Dallas!
by rdpflueger on Jun 23, 2009 8:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Kitna vs. Romo
People who witnessed Romo and Kitna at the OTAs and mini-camp will tell you that Kitna outplayed Romo on a consistent basis. Just ask the 30 or so folks watching from the iron fence at the end of the field – it was hard to see the defense but you could see the offense and Romo just wasn’t the same ol’ Romo. Jerry sported a pink shirt on the last day, so there ya go!
"The Most Dangerous Man in the world is the one with nothing to lose"
by SaratogaRacing on Jun 23, 2009 8:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I'm sure there is a QB battle.
I hate the fact that every time you say something I reply, but that’s ridiculous. Romo is not going to get replaced by Kitna in training camp.
it was weird, I... I mean you probably didn't hear about it because I went under the name of Mike Honcho. But I just wanted you to know that. If you can hear me, if it got into your brain somehow. That I spread my buttcheeks as Mike Honcho.
by AirforceBat on Jun 23, 2009 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Backup NT
Is that guy currently on our roster? I know it is not a critical position, but the depth at that position is frightening.
by I_miss_Switzer on Jun 23, 2009 8:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
one more thing
and fyi, witten and bennett and el gato (until he hurt his leg) were unstoppable throughout – if the cat stays healthy, watch out fellas – i am out
"The Most Dangerous Man in the world is the one with nothing to lose"
by SaratogaRacing on Jun 23, 2009 8:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Romo vs December
Romo vs Kitna isn’t a realistic battle.
Romo’s (and – to be fair – the entire team’s and the HC’s) December struggles is going to be a critical focus. If he can’t get over the hump this year – I am not sure he is ever going to. Although I think we fail again Wade will be gone and Romo will have one last shot.
"Where's Woody? - We need another Darren Woodson
by BoyfromOz on Jun 24, 2009 2:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Kyle Kosier vs his foot
Given what we saw last year I think the coaches will be reluctant to keep Kosier out of the line-up – he makes the rest of the line better – particularly Flo.
However, I am concerned he still seems to be bothered by his injury. A lot of o-line play is dependent on balance and leverage – which is very dependent on footwork – he may never be the same player he was.
"Where's Woody? - We need another Darren Woodson
by BoyfromOz on Jun 24, 2009 2:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Backup DB battles is where it's at this year.
The secondary needs churning. Watkins, Ball, and Brown can easily become Smith, Mickens, and Hamlin.
"Grow where you are planted."
by Aaron Novinger on Jun 26, 2009 10:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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