Cowboys Pre-Camp: The Far Side of Optimism
by Rafael Vela on Jun 26, 2009 12:10 AM CDT
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More promising and some not so promising news and notes from the recently completed Cowboys camps:
--None of the rookies are counted on this year but a few made positive impressions. I was told quarterback Stephen McGee will take time, but has the required skill set. My source said of McGee, "he's competitive, makes accurate throws and can move around a bit...I Iike the kid."
-- The U of Cincinnati duo of Mike Mickens and D'Angelo Smith also got a brief, positive mention. With the second and third year corners and safeties making a push (see yesterday's report) these guys will have time to develop without immediate pressure. 4th round pick Brandon Williams lacks that luxury. He also stood out, but I was told Williams will have to rush the passer exclusively this season. This suggests to me that Williams lacks the power to hold the point. On the plus side, it appears Jay Ratliff is not the only person who noticed Williams rush skills.
I don't know how effective Williams can be, but if he and starter Anthony Spencer can divide up Greg Ellis' eight '08 sacks in some combination, they'll keep offensives from sliding their blocking schemes towards Demarcus Ware.
-- 3rd-rounder Robert Brewster was the last rookie who stood out for my source. Brewster impressed with his effort but I was told he'll need time to develop, and build his strength.
One player who didn't impress was Brewster's linemate Montrae Holland. I understand he does not look any more svelte than last year. If Kyle Kosier rehabs slowly, we may be looking at another Holland/Cory Proctor rotation at left guard, at least early on. That can't make anybody smile.
The second significant caveat involves the receivers. The backups Miles Austin, Sam Hurd and Isaiah Stanback barely practiced this month. The National Football Press' Mike Lombardi wrote an excellent piece last week explaining why this makes organizations fret:
Practice repetitions are directly tied to the time allowed for each period. So there might be a two-hour practice, 120 minutes, but in that time, there are 60 repetitions in all phases of the game. For example, if a team is working on its inside run drill, it might want to get 12 plays/repetitions in that period. In camp, there are normally three groups of players -- three teams of offensive and defensive players -- so some players might only get two repetitions. Before the assistant coaches leave for vacation, they must know how many repetitions each player will be able to get before the first game, in all phases of the game. Clearly, the more reps, the better chance a player has to either improve or, in some cases, fail to meet the challenge.
When injuries become a part of the above equation, the amount of repetitions is reduced, resulting in limited progress for the player and the team...
Jason Garrett certainly has an idea of how many reps Hurd, Stanback and, most importantly, Austin need. These guys are not rookies, but they're not polished pros either. They need as many reps as they can get. They're going to San Antonio with little practice mileage on their odometers. It's not critical on June 26th, but watch the injury reports in camp closely. If more than one of these guys misses significant time there with a pull, sprain, or other ailment, wide receiver becomes a major concern.
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Time Enough for Tex to Wait for McGee?
If only Tex could have only appreciated that night in Phoenix a bit more… renting out the Martini Ranch for Super Bowl XXX thinking that there were more playoff wins to come before riding off into the glorious Montecito sunset.
Now with celebrities dropping like flies, Tex wonders if he can stick around for one last Super Bowl? The bottom-heavy Romo who associates with the former “dumbest person in America” clearly isn’t the answer and it will take at least 3 years for McGee to take the beleaguered quarterback’s place under center. Wow.
Never would have thought SB XXX would have been the last playoff victory. A tough moment of reality here in Montecito… Mayordomo, otra Calvados por favor.
God Bless Michael Jackson, Farrah Fawcett and long live Tex.
by Montecito Tex on Jun 26, 2009 12:41 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
It's going to be a lot longer than 3 years Tex
before you see a different QB under center for the Boys…get used to it. lol
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jun 26, 2009 7:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Tex SB XXX was not the last Cowboys' playoff win...
…They won a wild card game against the Vikings the following year and that was thier last playoff win…
Just saying….
Demarcus Ware: The Beast of the East.
The L.A. Lakers are 2009 NBA Champions!
by gee-roj on Jun 26, 2009 7:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the info Raf.
I might be crazy, but was that an Andy Prieboy reference?
by Luke. on Jun 26, 2009 12:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
There are no events in July? Like “voluntary” mini-camps?
Hey Raf, was Mike Leach your source who commented on McGee? ;)
by Turbo73 on Jun 26, 2009 2:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
no, players are off until camp
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jun 26, 2009 7:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
great write up Raf, but WR is already a concern
My yap has been yapping this about our WR’s all off season long. We need to aquire another WR for insurance. Hurd, Stanback and Austin will all be hurt at times during this season. I’d bet my home on it. This is rediculous.
by torchindefenses on Jun 26, 2009 2:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Like I really needed to worry more
about the offensive line.
Thanks for the knowledge, as always Raf. Unlike the sensationalists, I recognize that the season will go as the line goes, not the wounded wide-outs, Roy Williams, Tony Romo, or Jason Garrett.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jun 26, 2009 5:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Tex's "Henson Curse" is now upon McGee
Simply awesome. MIght as well put the dude on the cover of Madden 2011. A career over before it began.
McGee’s lawyers will be in touch.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jun 26, 2009 6:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Move McQuistan now don't wait.
Move him to guard now don’t wait. We need an option at guard if Holland can’t beat out Proctor.
UGGGH, Charlie Brown!
by Musiccitynorm on Jun 26, 2009 7:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+ 10kajillion
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
by GunsUp on Jun 26, 2009 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What would that help?
You don’t think that was considered last year? I will be surprised if McQuistan makes the team. If he was even a remote possibility at G, they would have given him a shot last year.
by StillHateTheGiants on Jun 26, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about McQuistan,
but something needs to be done about the Black Hole of suckitude called Proctor.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
by GunsUp on Jun 26, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Start the petition
I’ll sign.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jun 26, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They left McQuistan at tackle last year when they should have moved him to guard.
I thought Holland was the answer if Kosier did not heal, if he can’t beat out Porctor then I can tell you McQuistan is at least worth a look.
by Musiccitynorm on Jun 26, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think everyone should be getting their panties up in a bunch yet
until TC starts and wait and see who does get hurt and misses significant reps. I’m sure the Cowboys will either trade or acquire an OL or WR if the injury bug hits those positions again.
Until then, just chill.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jun 26, 2009 7:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Our Kryptonite
The O-line woes are no surprise, yet I thought we had been hearing some good things about Holland.
Some thoughts that have been in the back of my mind for the last few weeks:
Can I really imagine Austin with 50 catches or more at the end of the season?
Dunno. Hurd? Maybe…if he….no, not really.
Bennett? Yeah, pretty sure. And some highlight reel stuff.
Geez. Okay, surely Roy Williams can catch 50. Yeah, maybe 60 or 70, if……
Someone in that receiving corp has to stay healthy. Someone has to have a breakout year. Someone has to become a player.
We better have one hell of a running attack.
Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein.
Joe ThEEsman
by SB Six on Jun 26, 2009 8:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If Austin stays healthy
I easily see him with 50+ catches, 700-800 yds and 7-8 TDs, the dude is going to breakout if he can stay out of the trainer’s room.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jun 26, 2009 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I sure like the optimism
Terry, hope you are right on target there with you’re assesment on Austin.
by DCowboy on Jun 26, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's a tremendously talented kid
he just has to stay on the field, that will be more of a challenge for him than consistently beating CBs.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jun 26, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Austin equation
Historically stone hands x hasn’t had a healthy full season + never been a starter / 32 teams passing on him in the draft = That is exceedingly optimistic.
I’ll qualify. I hope you’re right. I really do. I am a diehard Cowpoke through and through. I think for any of the wideouts to break out Romo has to have time to throw. These equations are full of variables. Thus, I am counting on a top 5 running attack, and a top 5 defense. Not exactly an easy task. Maybe one of the two top 5 hopes will come true, but both would save the day.
Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein.
Joe ThEEsman
by SB Six on Jun 26, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Equation
+ Not that fast… 4.5 40 isn’t the guy you want stretching the field.
by JimmyJohnson on Jun 26, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Going by that logic though we already have a possible deep threat in Roy Williams who ran a 4.36 at the combine.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Jun 26, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Jerry Rice's 4.6 really held him back
It's not personal, it's just business
by Fighter15 on Jun 26, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Miles Austin is no Jerry Rice
He’s no K-Mart either. He is supposed to be our speedster but he isn’t that fast.
by JimmyJohnson on Jun 26, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's bad enough....
When guys use a given player’s measurables to explain how explosive they are when they haven’t produced a lick. What’s worse is when these measurables are exposed as not that impressive and folks resort to pulling the greatest receiver of all time’s underwhelming 40-time out of their ass. Was Barber’s 40-time a little better than Emmitt’s? If so, which guy is more capable of the long breakaway TD run?
All we really know of Austin so far is that when healthy he is capable of beating other teams’ 3rd and 4th corners. Nobody really knows how he’ll do against other teams’ top two corners much less truly elite corners. Let’s see how he does against the Eagles secondary. If he torches those guys, then he’s truly arrived.
I’ll say Austin ends up catching somewhere around 44-48 passes. I just don’t expect him to replicate Alvin Harper.
by MadMick on Jun 26, 2009 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Austin ran a bad 40, but dude can haul ass.
Thats the one thing I won’t take away from him.
WELCOME HOME SEVEN!!
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jun 27, 2009 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I've read
players talking about Austin as being among the fastest on the team.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jun 27, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus, he's big.
You strap those pads on him, and I think his speed at that size translates better than a smaller guy that runs a tenth of a second faster without them.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jun 27, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stanbach?
I expect Stanbach to land on the injured list once again – this one is a real head-scratcher…do you think maybe he has the goods on JJ? I keep having this recurring nightmare that we are going to be starting the season with one wideout…
"The Most Dangerous Man in the world is the one with nothing to lose"
by SaratogaRacing on Jun 26, 2009 8:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Jerry is in love
with potential… Why do you think he signed Pac? Stanbach does have loads of potential and he is well suited for a wild-cat formation.
BTW we were saying this about Austin last year and now Rice can’t carry his jock-strap. The winds may shift again and Stanbach may be the man.
McGruber!
by Mojoness on Jun 26, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't mind Holland being fat
We just need adequate straight line blocking to improve upon last year. I like pulls etc but the basics of keeping defenders out of the back field is what i really want to see
by AustonianAggie on Jun 26, 2009 11:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Point
His knowledge, according to coaches, and not his conditioning held up his starting last season.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jun 26, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fat & stupid
is no way to play in the NFL.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
by OskieOskie on Jun 26, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Animal House reference!
It’s hard to kow if a lineman is fat and out of shape, or fat and in shape because they are all fat.
I am really hoping Holland is ready in case Kosier isn’t ready because Proctor almost single-handedly killed the Cowboys’ season.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jun 26, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you ever met an NFL O-Lineman?
Not the sharpest knives in the drawer.
It's not personal, it's just business
by Fighter15 on Jun 26, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For what it's worth...
O Linemen in general have the highest Wunderlic scores
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
by Jim Vance on Jun 26, 2009 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah?? Well Vince Young hada really low score and...
Crap, I seem to have lost my point here…
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jun 26, 2009 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alan Page
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
by OskieOskie on Jun 26, 2009 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DL
Never mind.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
by OskieOskie on Jun 26, 2009 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
D-Lineman...sorry.
And he was a truly unique man.
But look at our best D-Lineman (Manster, Too Tall, Haley, Jeffcoat, Bob Lilly (OK…he was decently smart))
O-Lineman? Biggest, baddest, fattest, dumbest around. And that’s OK with me.
It's not personal, it's just business
by Fighter15 on Jun 26, 2009 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When it comes to the minds of football players in general
I subscribe more to personality type than intelligence. In a Meyers-Briggs assessment all of these QB’s are ESTP’s:
Johnny Unitas
Joe Namath
Joe Montana
Dan Marino
John Elway
Brett Favre
Payton Manning
& one Tony Romo
Tom Brady and Troy Aikman are ENTP’s. Roger Staubach is an ISTP.
What they have in common is all these personality types are fierce competitors. Especially ISTP’s.
Now there is such a thing as so stupid that the will to win can’t overcome stupidity.
My point is heart and the will to win are more important than intelligence, even with the most important position, QB. Romo, testing out as an ESTP has the mental wiring to kick your ass. Because of this burning desire to win, I predict Romo will win the big one. It may not be this season, but he’s going all the way in his career.
Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein.
Joe ThEEsman
by SB Six on Jun 26, 2009 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WR's
This position is a real concern. I say play Roy, Witten, Bennet, Barber and Felix on every down. Let’s become a new version of a west coast offense.
by ManTab on Jun 26, 2009 11:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I can see that
especially if Bennett and Witten are functionally interchangeable as a lead blocker
by AustonianAggie on Jun 26, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We still get another WR with that formation
Does it really matter whom?
It's not personal, it's just business
by Fighter15 on Jun 26, 2009 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
McGee
How will he be kept – if he’s as good I we are hearing?
I live and die with the Dallas Cowboys
by stxshooter on Jun 26, 2009 12:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
he won't end up on the practice squad
and he’ll not go on waivers
by AustonianAggie on Jun 26, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't let a 4th Rd QB sniff wavers
It's not personal, it's just business
by Fighter15 on Jun 26, 2009 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Taking a look
at McGee will take at least another year. I like that the kid is from a Texas high school and a Texas college (sort of).
No offense to the Romo worshipers, but it’s not too soon to provide a Plan B on the young-QB-of-the-future front. Poo-poo occurs, and we have to be ready for worst-case contingencies.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
by OskieOskie on Jun 26, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what's so special about Texas athletes?
How many great HOF QBs are from Texas anyways??
Regarding McGee, I see him as our version of Matt Cassell. We’ll develop the kid for a while and then trade him for a 1st or 2nd rd pick to some desperate team.
All the Romo haters can count on him being America’s qb for several years to come.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jun 26, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Romo
needs to step up his game if he wants to be the Cowboys QB longterm.
In the NFL, everyone’s job is always on the line. As it should be.
Tony Romo is no exception.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
by OskieOskie on Jun 26, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, Romo needs to step up his game if he wants to be the greatest QB in franchise history
If Romo doesn’t, he’ll still be one of the greatest QBs in franchise history, he just won’t be the best.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jun 26, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of the Greatest QB in Franchise history???
I know he has potential to be one…I am not sure i would anoint him the group yet….you are essentially saying he is on the same pedestal as Staubach and Aikman
by thejanusman on Jun 26, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no I'm not
I’m essentially saying at worst, he’ll be as good as White and Meredith
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jun 27, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's already in the top 5.
I mean, how many great QBs has this team really had? I think a SB win catapults him into the top 3, if he’s not already number 3.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jun 27, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is very true.
The thing is, for the most part Dallas fans up until the late 90’s to the early 2000’s were very spoiled because of the stability of the position.
That’s one of the reasons I enjoy your posts, you can be critical of a player but still point out that they are pretty good.
it was weird, I... I mean you probably didn't hear about it because I went under the name of Mike Honcho. But I just wanted you to know that. If you can hear me, if it got into your brain somehow. That I spread my buttcheeks as Mike Honcho.
by AirforceBat on Jun 27, 2009 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His game is pretty high as it is
I know you are super Romo-critical, but there are only a handful of QBs in the league have done what he has. If you use the play-off game bash, you’ll remember that P Manning took forever to win a playoff game even as he was a “stats guy” (as if you are buying the stats onlline from eBay instead of earning them every week). How stupid would Indy have been to dump him?
It would be foolish in the extreme to ditch a QB of his ability unless his play regressed and he was no longer capable of playing the position. He’s actually an excellent QB. He has flaws that need to be corrected so he can help the team even more, but that’s about all any of us can surmise in the short time he’s been a starter.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jun 26, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Critical?
Can a brother get a playoff win in here?
Since when is post-season success too much to ask of the Dallas Cowboys?
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
by OskieOskie on Jun 26, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Easy way out.
it was weird, I... I mean you probably didn't hear about it because I went under the name of Mike Honcho. But I just wanted you to know that. If you can hear me, if it got into your brain somehow. That I spread my buttcheeks as Mike Honcho.
by AirforceBat on Jun 26, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
by OskieOskie on Jun 26, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree all you want.
Blame is nice.
Romo deserves part of it, but there are other things that have been wrong with this franchise.
Stephen McGee, a fourth round pick out of A&M will not be ready by year two.
Wait, let me back up.. he PROBABLY won’t be ready. Nothing is definite, but I know that he is going to a way more complex system compared to what the Aggies had.
BTW, why don’t you go look and see how many bowl games he won compared to his starts.
it was weird, I... I mean you probably didn't hear about it because I went under the name of Mike Honcho. But I just wanted you to know that. If you can hear me, if it got into your brain somehow. That I spread my buttcheeks as Mike Honcho.
by AirforceBat on Jun 26, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The point
is that players who are focused early in the season can lose their focus when the pressure cranks up late in the season.
Doesn’t happen with any particular position over another. Some players can stay focused; some can’t.
Simple as that.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
by OskieOskie on Jun 26, 2009 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You want to kill Terry for being...
On one side of the fence, jumping up and down, when in reality you’re on the exact opposite. Not wanting to every say that there.. I don’t know, might be some other problems on this team.
In fact it is somewhere in the middle. Everyone needs to improve is the reality of the situation.
it was weird, I... I mean you probably didn't hear about it because I went under the name of Mike Honcho. But I just wanted you to know that. If you can hear me, if it got into your brain somehow. That I spread my buttcheeks as Mike Honcho.
by AirforceBat on Jun 26, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
If you choose to focus on one player, you could blame almost anyone. Ware’s last two games were way below par. He has no heart and can’t play in December. Hamlin whiffed twice to let the Ravens win. He’s pear shaped and distracted. Flo and Proctor got their QB knocked out for three games and then caused his screwed up back to the point of passing out. They’re too concerned with their rock band. Special teams were the bottom of the league. They should give up their personal lives ASAP. Hell, Romo is a bright spot on this team.
You measure players by their stats. You measure teams by their wins and titles. If you want to argue for HOF induction, you measure both.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jun 26, 2009 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice sarcasm...
It's not personal, it's just business
by Fighter15 on Jun 26, 2009 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In two tries and he's all washed up
What ever happened to patience? Do you remember Troy’s first couple of seasons? Did you know that Dallas was the league joke for choking in big games with Staubach at the helm? All I’m saying is that we’ll all have years and years to discuss Romo’s career performance once we have the perspective of his career. In the meantime, try to enjoy the first QB Dallas has had since Troy where winning a playoff game is even a possibility.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jun 26, 2009 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Troy's first couple of years the COwboys flat out sucked
Tony has been on a playoff caliber team since he started, and some around here argue one of the most talented teams in the league. Your analogy is inapposite
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Jun 27, 2009 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK
This wasn’t actually supposed to be a year-by-year comparision with Aikman. It was simply an argument that one should wait a while before judging the career of a QB before he’s been in it for more than a couple of years or you might be in error. It’s a corollary to Parcells cautioning not to annoint to early – don’t damn a guy too soon.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jun 27, 2009 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and since when is a playoff win 100% of the qbs responsibility?
I thought football was a team game, didn’t know Romo played on defense too.
Maybe I read the scoreboard wrong, but did it read Giants 21 Romo 17?
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jun 27, 2009 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and since when is a playoff loss 100% not the qb's responsibility?
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Jun 27, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never said it wasn't
QB deserves as much blame as everyone, losing, like winning, is a team effort.
But for some reason I never see Ware being bashed when he disappears in big games as well.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jun 29, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well said dunkman...
…and I’d LOVE to see what Romo could do with a brick wall for an offensive line.
Demarcus Ware: The Beast of the East.
The L.A. Lakers are 2009 NBA Champions!
by gee-roj on Jun 26, 2009 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Romo is the quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys.
McGee will be trade bait in 3-4 years.
by DoomsdayD75 on Jun 26, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not if the team keeps crapping the bed late in the season
a lot of players will have sketchy job security, including Terry’s boy
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Jun 27, 2009 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's simply not true
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jun 29, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like Romo-Catholic?
A new religion, invented right here on BTB.
I agree. Teams should always, always be panning the pebbles for gold. Good QBs are one in twenty and require long lead times to get ready. Youo have to keep sorting, training and discarding them until you find the next one. I would say that WRs and O-linemen are the same. Most every other position you can put them out on the field in year one or two, but not those groups.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jun 26, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any decent WRs left out there?
DJ Hackett?
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
by Wmillion on Jun 26, 2009 12:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No.
He’s a walking ankle injury. Don’t bother.
Andy Reid is the only coach in NFL history that uses the pass to set up the pass.
by SSreporters on Jun 27, 2009 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is this a bail-bond advertisement??
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jun 26, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we just got rid of all our trash
why would we want some from other team’s?
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jun 26, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
MJ
will never forget SuperBowl XXVII…..Michael Jackson at halftime….probably one of the best days of my life
RIP MJ
by McLovin9 on Jun 26, 2009 1:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh. come on! I'm the biggest Pessimist on the Board,
and I’m not worried about any of the crap you guys are dishing out until toward the start of season. Yes, I have my concerns, the biggest being the O-line, in this order:
Flo, does he have enough left in that old tank to be effective; because there still is no viable back up ( that we know of ).
Gurode, needs to stay healthy, because if he doesn’t, well can you imagine that whole at Left Guard last year being directly in front of Romo?
Come to think of it the whole starting 5 have no real back ups with the exception of Holland, and he may start because I really don’t expect Kosier to be ready despite being healthy come TC.
Doug Free is the only wild card out there, because no one has seen any or heard anything about what he looks like this year. Has he pacted on that much needed bulk and muscle? Still it’s not much to hang your hat on now is it.
WR are the least of my worries if my QB only has 2 sec to get rid of the ball and my RBs have no wholes to run threw.
by bad knees on Jun 26, 2009 3:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll just say this
Anyone who chooses to focus on offensive and defensive lines is a true football man. All the other stuff is window dressing. McNabb looks all-world when his line plays well and all-done when it doesn’t. P Manning was HORRIBLE when his line and receivers were in bad shape.
The big uglies are the best indicators for success and I’m worried about Flo and maybe Kosier/Holland.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jun 26, 2009 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't even make the top 10 biggest pessimists on this board
I’ve already been warned about getting personal, but you at least take the worry wort route and listen to the positive side. Some here just want to wallow in their own miserable oppugnancy.
“If you wrestle with a pig, you both get dirty and the pig likes it”
It's not personal, it's just business
by Fighter15 on Jun 26, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Garret is half the coordinator Jerry is paying for………..he should steal from Mike Martz play book and utilize Felix Jones in the Marshal Faulk role. I haven’t seen a player that reminded me more of Faulk than Felix the Cat does.
Williams ain’t Torry Holt……..he is sort of Keyshawan………long tall reciever that you can throw too even when covered. We need Austin to stretch the defense. Still if Garret wants the HC job or to be a winner he needs look no further than the Rams years of running up great scores and stats.
Garret is a disciple of the Turner years……….aka Air Coryell which produced Martz book. Martz problems later on were his seemingly unwillingness to run the ball. I believe it was primarily due to the fact he never found another back like Marshal Faulk. Well if Martz had the playcalling with Felix Jones on the roster I can Guarantee he wouldnt hesistate to give this kid the rock 15 carries and 5-10 catches every single game.
by Jon B. on Jun 26, 2009 3:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"Find another back like Marshall Faulk"
We might go 10 more years without finding a back like Faulk. I’m not saying there isn’t one out there, but we are talking about maybe the best dual threat runningback of all time.
it was weird, I... I mean you probably didn't hear about it because I went under the name of Mike Honcho. But I just wanted you to know that. If you can hear me, if it got into your brain somehow. That I spread my buttcheeks as Mike Honcho.
by AirforceBat on Jun 26, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd settle for Thurman Thomas.
Without the postseason helmet snafus and untimely fumbles, of course.
I still don’t know how anybody can make this comparison and simply gloss over how much better Bruce/Holt were than any receiver combination the Cowboys are going to trot out. Of course, the Rams never had a tight end duo like the Cowboys currently boast.
by MadMick on Jun 26, 2009 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't understand the hate for Romo
I’ve seen all the arguments and complaints and still, even looking at it objectively, I can’t grasp why anyone would want to just send this guy packing. And for what? A hope that somehow McGee???? can come in and do better? Yea, good freaking luck with that. How about a little support instead? You don’t bottle wine today just to reopen it tomorrow. You let it mature and with time it will assuredly become better. Romo is very young and still learning what it takes to be an NFL QB. He’s making steps in the right direction every day. Throwing away a QB that has shown signs of greatness is flat out stupid. I find myself questioning if these people are really fans at all.
I don’t know why I bother, there will always be haters of greatness. Even the greatest of greats. Jesus, JFK, MLK, Gandhi, to name a few. Hate on haters.
by sublimezg on Jun 26, 2009 5:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Over the hill
For the last time, enough of this nonsense about Romo being a young quarterback. He’s not. The best quarterback never to win a playoff game is pushing 30. Aikman, Brady, Roethlisberger, etc. won all their Super Bowl before the age of 28. Quarterbacks are not like wine, they don’t get better with time. He’s clearly on the downside of his athletic career – throw in a premature contract that took away all of his incentive and its on to a perfume line with Jessica instead of football. Put a fork in Van de Velde, he’s done.
by Montecito Tex on Jun 26, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
here ya go hater
A quick google search supplied this
Prime age for an NFL QB according to Paul M. Sommers and Stefan G. Hrdina’s number crunch is 31. According to my elite mathematician skills that gives Romo 2 solid years to peak. Good game. Move along
by sublimezg on Jun 26, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please...
A 22 year old Marino or a 30 year old Marino? A 24 year old Bledsoe or Drew at 31? A 25 year old Troy Aikman or the concussed 32 year old?
by Montecito Tex on Jun 26, 2009 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem with your argument though takes the wear and tear as a constant for a QB. In reality, Romo’s wear and tear is much less since he has only played 2 and a half years. And thankfully, the offensive line has protected him from major hits the majority of the time (although not at the most crucial points).
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Jun 26, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude
Logic only works as well as the brain recieving it. Remember, this is the guy who thinks Henson is an NFL quality QB.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jun 26, 2009 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Romo is definitely younger than his years from a football standpoint
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Jun 27, 2009 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Montana had arguably his best season as a pro at 33.
Including 11 TD/0 INT in the postseason.
by MadMick on Jun 26, 2009 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ever heard of Roger Staubach?
He was 1 month shy of 30 years old when he won his first Super Bowl. His best years were in his 30’s because, like Romo, he had a delayed start in the league.
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
by Jim Vance on Jun 26, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Staubach to Romo?
Comparing Tony to Roger is an insult to us all… its like comparing Clint Eastwood to Nick Lachey.
by Montecito Tex on Jun 26, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't you mean Clint Eastwood to Keanu Reeves?
Or some other wussy actor?
Eastwood is an actor/director and Lachey was in a boy band, you dipstick. So your analogy is unfunny and retarded.
by MadMick on Jun 26, 2009 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tex's point exactly
Not even in the same genre… the beleaguered Lacey, in his own mind, is an aspiring actor, see reality TV. The comparisons to Staubach should draw a jail time.
by Montecito Tex on Jun 26, 2009 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The comparison...
of their ages and delayed starts in the league is obvious and pertinent to the point that you raised.
Your feigned indignation is insulting. You invited the comparison when you said, “Quarterbacks are not like wine, they don’t get better with time.” I’ll say it again, Roger Staubach did.
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
by Jim Vance on Jun 26, 2009 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's pretty funny because Staubach has compared himself to Romo
“Tony does things similar to the way I did,” said Staubach, who earned the nickname Roger the Dodger. “I hate to make comparisons, but I see that instinct to make things happen. When I was out there, that’s all I was trying to do, make good things happen.”
But I’m sure you know more than Roger about the position…
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jun 27, 2009 7:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I acuallly thought Romo's play reminded me of Staubach many times,
except when he tries to be Brett Farve.
by bad knees on Jun 27, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know what you mean
but I don’t know that it’s a conscious thing – to be like Favre. Buy he does take more chances with the ball than Roger did.
I think everyone forgets this point – Staubach drove Landry nuts and it was only Morton’s inconsistency and unpopularity that finally drove him to bring in Roger, and only tentatively at that.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jun 27, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Upsetting
The Great Staubach was serving his country now slopping up John Mayer’s thirds off of Hollywood Boulevard. Their character and leadership qualities are night and day. Absolutely insulting.
by Montecito Tex on Jun 26, 2009 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure the hang-up you have with his personal life either
Last I checked, Simpson is single as is Romo. What is she a possession? Soiled by having been married or had relationships? This may be more offensive than your uninformed football rants.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jun 27, 2009 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am no Jessica fan, and I think her dad is the creepiest man in america, and he is the bad influence on Tony more than Jessica, but given the chance to doink Jess, I'd do it
and I’d let Joe Simpson sell pictures to People magazine too, not that anybody would want to see that
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Jun 27, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heisman
A Heisman trophy winner to an un-drafted free agent. One of the great athletes of his time to a poor man’s Jared Lorenzen. Mr. Clutch to one of the biggest chokes in the history of sports. A successful businessman, Champion on all levels, and a class act to Tony Romo. Wow, Vance time for a formal apology to Cowboys Nation.
by Montecito Tex on Jun 26, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right..
I apologize to the Cowboy Nation for allowing myself to be drawn into a battle of wits, with someone who is only half armed.
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
by Jim Vance on Jun 26, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Once he's knocked a few Calvados back
you just can’t blog with him. He’s worthless until tomorrow morning when he’ll be.. hmmm…worthless I guess, but sober!
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jun 26, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tex's point exactly...
Kelly, Marino, Bledsoe, Esiason, O’Donnell.
by Montecito Tex on Jun 26, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need a word filter that changes this little dumpling's catchphrases....
For example, I think “best quarterback to never give Tex a stiffy” is a lot more appropriate considering the source.
by MadMick on Jun 26, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1 Now THAT is funny
It's not personal, it's just business
by Fighter15 on Jun 26, 2009 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you really comparing Romo to Jesus, JFK, MLK, Gandhi? That is just wrong, the guy is a football player, albeit a good one
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Jun 27, 2009 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Good 'Ol Days..
Tex was at Super Bowl XXVII with Michael Jackson performing at half time, just impossible to believe that was over 16 years ago.
One more for Super Bowl for Tex… that’s all.
Someone said it above… “fat and stupid is no way to play football.” Unfortunately that’s Romo’s profile on NFL.com, meaning this season rests on Kitna. Ugh. Happy hour doesn’t seem so happy any more. Tough week for Tex.
by Montecito Tex on Jun 26, 2009 5:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
wow that makes you how old?
Judging by your ridiculous 3rd person references among other things I had you pegged for a kid in high school
by sublimezg on Jun 26, 2009 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stan Humphries...
Actually, Stan Humphries might be the best comparison to Romo – a journeyman type of quarterback who was a bit on the pudgy side. Except Stan won a couple of playoff games and actually got drafted out of college.
by Montecito Tex on Jun 26, 2009 6:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry
how many references were made to the starting quarterback in the story? None? Yes?
Some of you folks need to get a room, so you can have your Romo-n orgies in private and leave the rest of us in peace.
by Rafael Vela on Jun 26, 2009 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those reports on the OL and WRs are just downright depressing. This
isn’t shaping to be a very Romo-friendly team. Or a Jones-Barber-Choice-friendly team either if the line looks the same as last year. What the hell is Holland’s problem? If someone were paying me hundreds of thousands of dollars to be fit, I’d do it. I don’t get it.
by Fernie67 on Jun 26, 2009 8:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Count me worried too
if they play like they did last season, McGee may actually see the field…
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jun 26, 2009 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will wait until training camp to get “worried,” but it certainly isn’t what I like to hear.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Jun 26, 2009 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right but
to be honest this is carry-over worry from last season. I really hope I’m wrong.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jun 26, 2009 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Kosier comes back strong, and stays healthy
I think everyone will feel much better. And even if Holland is a fatty fat pants, at least he knows the plays, I believe that was the reason given for his incredibly long time to see the field last season.
Then we only have to worry about our LT.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Jun 27, 2009 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+10000
Cowboys 09 version will live or die by its OL, Defense should be solid, but if we have last years verson of OL it doesnt look good. WR are puzzling. We all know Stanback is always injured, I’ve learned to live with the fact that he’ll be on the 53 man roster and on IR list once the season starts for the next 3 years, But Austin and HUrd supposedly were hurting themselves because playing on ST, now they dont and are still hurt and the season has not even started yet, is there more to it?
by dcfanz on Jun 26, 2009 8:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
caaannt waitt
These boys should be prime this year ,o line might not be the best but should be able to get alot of things done. Mostly intrigue wit our secondary with these guys playing tweener roles cnt wait until tc.Have our void at safety finally been fill. Finally a smash mouth run offense wow.If their going in that direction using mainly TE and running backs sets then RW , Miles , and PC would be good enough. We should still b good enough to beat teams over the top. Preason a must watch this year for any Cboy fan. Good defensive, a run attack and consistent Qb play ,playoffs of muscle. Tennesee already gave us a blue print but i know we got a better Qb and better weapons. I have a feeln special teams will lite it up this year call it a hunch. Wit alot b.s. gone us being smaller but more united lets start bussing heads. Like J Rat said lets start checking at the door.
by lostar2009 on Jun 27, 2009 12:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
reealll thooughht
Everythn might not be perfect but it never do its about makn the best wit wat u got. Tru champions dig deep and show ther metal i just want to know what will we show this year. This team is not a second tier team or a re build project this team been ready for the past three years when will the cboys rise to the challenge.
by lostar2009 on Jun 27, 2009 12:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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