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Cowboy Stew: Serving Seconds

Could Mike Mickens be an impact rookie for the Cowboys this year?

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Could Mike Mickens be an impact rookie for the Cowboys this year?

When I have some intriguing tidbits to share with you, but those tidbits are not enough to warrant a full post, I save them up and then I throw them into the pot, stir it up and serve you some Cowboy Stew. These bits and bites don't have much in common other than that they are Cowboy related and got stuck in my brain for a while. So, dig into the stew, and share your thoughts.

Will our rookies be able to make an impact? That requires pure speculation and we won't know until the season is fully under way. Now, if we had a powerful computer that could run multiple scenarios and model future behaviors in the NFL based on past behaviors in college we might get some interesting data. Oh wait, there is a computer website that does just that. It's called Whatifsports.com. A few of the Cowboy rookies made the top 100.

Rookies present the biggest challenge. To come up with statistical inputs for rookies, we run a very complex set of algorithms that factors collegiate performance, role in college, strength of collegiate competition, "measurables," likely NFL role, previous performance of a similar player in that NFL role for this coaching staff and trends of similar rookies in the past. This gives us the player's projected ratio stats (expected yards per carry, completion percentage, etc.), as well as his forecasted usage for the upcoming season. From there, we can compare all rookies based on who we think will make the biggest positive impact for his new NFL team in his first year. The Top 100 from this ranking are listed below.

74. Mike Mickens, CB, Dallas
55. Victor Butler, LB, Dallas
52. DeAngelo Smith, CB/S, Dallas

Star-divide

Riddle me this Batman - (A line borrowed from Frank Gorshin and the old Batman TV series) Is there an anti- Cowboy bias in the media? Here is a recent scenario. The Cowboys release a certain aging receiver and they are slammed by the sports media and predicted to struggle in 2010.

During the same off season the New York Giants lose their number one receiver in Plaxico Burress, lose another receiver in Amani Toomer, lose a 1000 yard rusher in Derrick Ward and lose their successful Defensive Coordinator Steve Spagnuolo and still the sports press picks the Giants to win the division and possibly the Super Bowl.

The Giants and the Cowboys split their two games last season indicating that the gap between them is relatively small and yet the loss of the Cowboys number one receiver is predicted to have a greater negative impact than the Giants loss of several starters. Go figure.

4th and Long - I like Michael Irvin's reality show. Maybe it's just because there is a bit of football during the long dry offseason and I'm having withdrawals or maybe Irvin and his writers have done a good job of letting the characters develop. I'm picking the big wide receiver Montrell Jones to be the winner. He's not the most likable guy there but he has the size and strength and I feel like he has already been given a couple of mulligans to keep him on the show.  My favorite character? Coach Joe! He cracks me up with some of his comments to the players and to Mike. What exactly is a slapdick?

Yes, but I'm the tallest midget! - Last season there were 13 NFL teams who finished the season in the negative total points category. What that means is the combined scores of your opponents totaled more than the total number of points scored by your offense. As you might expect, all of these teams finished at the bottom of their divisions and all of these teams had losing records - save one. The 2008 Dallas Cowboys. Clearly the Philly butt-whipping put the Cowboys in that position, but there they are at 9 -7 and boasting a minus 3 points. That's another dubious distinction to a disappointing season. Yes, we were the best of the losers.

So, how did you like the stew?

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I fully expect ST contributions

from the rooks. maybe nickel for a couple others. After that, I;m not looking for much.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Jun 28, 2009 4:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Rookies + Scandrick/Jenkins = Defensive Success

Hopefully we have turned the corner on the defense and now possess a solid backfield. Sensabaugh is the X factor. If he is a solid at safety we should be a top10 defense this year.

by Keys80 on Jun 28, 2009 6:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

we were top 10 the last 2 years lmao

and i think this year we’ve improved alot so im hoping for 6th maybe 5th in D

"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips

by MrMinority on Jun 28, 2009 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That stew is a bit bland for my palit, but even being bland is better than the bitter T-abasco O-ver use of past servings.

Rookie Impact: I sure hope so, especially on ST since we may give up a roster spot to hold 2 kickers and we all know what the field position battle means.

Riddle me this: I loved that line as a child! Answer: They drafted Hakeem Nicks in the 1st who is a NFL ready possession receiver and Ramses Barden in the 4th who has the potential to be as good or better than Plax ever was ( I would have love to have had him on our team, damn man he went in the 4th! ). While Derrick Ward was OK, yes just OK! They replaced him with Andre Brown out of NC State, and while he is only a 6th round pick, when you have a O-line that can open up holes for your running backs, they don’t have to be Superstars! Off the main points, but contrasting the Cowboys the Giants offencive line depth got better with the acqusition on William Beatty out of Connecticut in the 3rd ( this is who I was hollering for the boys to take instead of Williams, I think we could have got him were we got Brewster, but that water under the bridge). I’m in no way a Giant’s fan, but have to admit I think the 2009 draft has the potential to yield big dividends for them for years to come. That’s how you over shadow the negatives with positives, plus the media loves to write anything T.O. and loves to hate the Cowboys anyway!

4th and Long: I must say now that it appears my favorite candidate, Hawkins, and the one I thought had th best potential to make a nitch for himself on the 53 man roster as a return man and Wes Wilker type slot receiver has gone North, I am a bit, well, less excited about the whole thing, not that any of these guys had/has anything but the slimmest chance to even make the PS anyway.

Holley has the intangibles to be a NFL WR ( I was impressed with him in that hold the ball drill they did were they turned on the sprinklers, he was the best! ), but well don’t we have project guys just like him?

Jones is the most unimpressive player in the mix at WR. Here is a guy with no heart ( don’t tell me you cant see it! You show this guy a NFL pay day and I’ll show you wasted money! ) Now, he may be an option for Blocking TE with sneaky speed for receiving or better yet, If he is that damn strong, pack 30 to 40 lbs of muscle on that frame and we would have a Left Tackle!

On the last tidbit: Go figure!

Thanks for the appetizer!

by bad knees on Jun 28, 2009 6:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Derrick Ward was bit more than just OK...

it’s not exactly a slam dunk to have a 4th round rookie come in a contribute a 1,000 yards to their running attack. It would be especially worrisome given that the running game is the foundation of their offense. The Giants will definitely be counting on their rookies to perform more than the Cowboys and that’s never a great thing. I think the Giants had a good draft, but I wasn’t as impressed with it as you are…

4th and Long held my attention for 3 weeks, then I realized none of the candidates were really that good. It doesn’t matter who wins, because he won’t make the final cut.

by CaliFanInTx on Jun 28, 2009 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He really didn't have to do much

the giants line opened up some monster holes for their rbs last year. If they keep doing that, its not gonna matter much whose running the ball. Jacobs is a back who would struggle badly behind our line, but thegiants give him so much space to give him a head of steam, his size isn’t a detriment.

by foyesboys on Jun 30, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't agree...

Yes, the Giant’s Oline was good last year, but running back talent has just as much to do with success than just Oline play. If you are correct, then why pay Jacobs, cut him and bring in cheaper rookies. Furthermore, the Giant’s Oline didn’t exactly perform great down the stretch without a passing deep threat. You don’t lose a 1,000 yd back and say the production stays the same…at least in my opinion, you don’t…

by CaliFanInTx on Jun 30, 2009 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Over on BGN they did a break down and the loss of Plax, Toomer, and Ward will result in the loss of 41% of the Giants offense. That is substantial, and I realize that those touches will go elsewhere but I can’t imagine a couple of rookies are really expected to make up for that.

We have more NFL proven receivers replacing TO than the Giants have replacing Plaxico, but the media does seem to conveniently forget that when talking about the two teams. Give me Austin over Nicks any day of the week in Nicks’ rookie year.

First to six!!!

by sduncan24 on Jun 28, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great point

and it’s something that most of the media has yet to touch on…

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Jun 28, 2009 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bradshaw

Ahmad Bradshaw is going to replace Ward, and you heard it here first: He…will…TEAR…da League…up.

If you thought you hated seeing Tiki twice a year, you will really hate this guy…unbelievable talent.

by Starred4Life on Jun 29, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He is quick but he is not in Tiki's league.

I cant stand the site of Tiki and think is a pompous ass but he was a very good RB. Strong for his size with great vision and set up his blocks well. Bradshaw will make a few plays and will make some guys miss but he just doesnt have enough ass to carry a load. If he tries he will get dinged up.

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by squidlo97 on Jun 29, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he was unbelievable talent...

He would have gotten more touches last year. He is quick and shifty, but I wouldn’t say unbelievable talent.

it was weird, I... I mean you probably didn't hear about it because I went under the name of Mike Honcho. But I just wanted you to know that. If you can hear me, if it got into your brain somehow. That I spread my buttcheeks as Mike Honcho.

by AirforceBat on Jun 29, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like stew...

Our rookies will make the most impact on Special Teams, which could be a big boost for us given how bad ST’s were the past 2 years. It’s not a “sexy” part of the game, but it does account for a 1/3 of the game. Joe D is the reason ST will be good.

The media is right less than 1/2 the time. How much stock should we really put into the media? I’ve pretty much stopped reading most of the mainstream media coverage. It’s all over the board, and they rarely substantiate their opinions by hard facts. I’ve looked at our roster and did some comparisons to the media “contenders” and I see that we have fewer “glaring” holes. I’m a homer, but I like our chances this year (health permitting).

4th and Long needed to get better players, but I’m sure they selected the ones they did primarily for better drama, not to actually make the Cowboy’s team. C’mon how hard is it to cut the 80th man? But think of all the free publicity Jerry got…

The main reason the Cowboys underperformed last year…injuries. Take away the Brad Johnson games and we don’t look as bad statistically.

by CaliFanInTx on Jun 28, 2009 8:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Good point on

Joe D. He seems to firing the whole team up.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Jun 28, 2009 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's been alot of T.O. talk this off season...

many predict that our offense will only be “average” without him. I too, wondered if this were true, then I realized T.O. wasn’t the best player on our team…that distinction goes to Romo or Ware. Take those 2 guys off the field, and then see how good we are. I even put him behind Witten and Barber. T.O. had good numbers while he was here the past 3 years, but I’ve concluded that it was more because of Romo than T.O….I wonder how his numbers are going to look now with Trent Edwards?

What really drove this home for me was hearing what T.O. has been saying since he’s been released. The guy can’t shut up about the Cowboys. Does anyone have any more doubts that this guy was a big distraction on the team?

by CaliFanInTx on Jun 28, 2009 8:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Stew always provides a good bit of energy, and is a great source for protein.

I will remain in denial about the Hawkins thing. There has to be a reason that Irvin cuts him. If it’s size, then that’s just lame.

I’m surprised neither of the Williams boys made the rookie top 100. Jason, especially, should get some playing time; but I can see these other guys contributing immediately. DeAngelo can return punts and both he and Mickens could even get play time as the year progresses, either in spot duty or in sub packages. Butler will be giving Ware his much needed breathers.

"Grow where you are planted."

by Aaron Novinger on Jun 28, 2009 9:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree

It’s really baffling to me why Hawkins was cut since he’s been the show’s star every week so far. These last 4 episodes should be interesting to see why.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jun 29, 2009 7:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's possible he was NOT cut

according to comments on that story, he signed with the CFL team in December, and well before the show. Therefore he very well could still win. I’m certainly reserving judgment on whether any of it is true.

by mdlusk on Jun 29, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

but it doesn't make sense

that he would have actually joined the CFL team now if he already won the contest.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jun 29, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it's all hogwash.

Someone’s just messin’ with TimmyMac.

"Grow where you are planted."

by Aaron Novinger on Jun 29, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Especially J Williams

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Jun 29, 2009 6:27 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Your riddle answered: mediots are idiots

Season after season Raf has shown that 4-5 losing teams make the playoffs. Its an amazingly consistent stat – and real evidence of how close all the teams really are in talent.

However, despite this, the vast majority of mediots pick the teams in exactly the same order as they finished the year before – with a tweak here and there for player acquisition or loss, schedule strength etc (and to try to disguise the fact they are adding no value at all).

We finish 13-3 and win the division – and the next year we are picked to win the division
NYG win the division – hey presto – they get picked to win it the next year. Not only that, but most pick the division to finish in the exact same order as last year – i.e. most picked us to finish third….

And every year, the mediots get most of their picks wrong.

"Where's Woody? - We need another Darren Woodson

by BoyfromOz on Jun 29, 2009 8:11 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It's not that mediots are idiots.

I’ve never bought into all of them being dumb.

It’s because most of them are scared to go away from the grain. They all have slight differences in opinions but there isn’t alot of statistical breakdowns.

For example: Every media guy last year was picking Cleveland to be a playoff team based on their record.

Of course, none of them pointed out that the year before Cleveland beat ONE team with a winning record.

it was weird, I... I mean you probably didn't hear about it because I went under the name of Mike Honcho. But I just wanted you to know that. If you can hear me, if it got into your brain somehow. That I spread my buttcheeks as Mike Honcho.

by AirforceBat on Jun 29, 2009 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Any team depending on

a rookie to replace 1000 yards of production, especially at reciever are deluding themselves. That is like trying to catch lightning in a bottle.

When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.

by GunsUp on Jun 29, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you are correct

And because few of them watch any particular team very much, they tend to mimic what they hear from those who specialize in one team – like local writers. To fans who parse every bit of data it’s apparent how superficial the “analysis” is, but to fans of other teams, it tends to sound fine.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Jun 29, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Slapdick"

is a defensive back term meaning, when you go for the ball, you’re supposed to slap all the way THROUGH the ball, like you’re trying to slap his dick, and not just the football. I think.

by jam0152 on Jun 29, 2009 10:13 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

lol

makes total sense

"Grow where you are planted."

by Aaron Novinger on Jun 29, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good guess...

but usually Coach Joe Avezzano uses it as a derogation. For example, he screamed at them, “C’mon run, I don’t want a bunch of slapdicks out here!”

Makes me think it’s not a compliment.

"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams

by Jim Vance on Jun 29, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do think the Giants are overrated

but to be fair Osi’s return, though it won’t help them on offense, should make up for a good measure of what they’ve lost overall.

by eliason on Jun 29, 2009 10:15 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

GMen and Eagles are both overrated

They are good teams, but not better than us.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jun 29, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the Eagles deserve to say they are better.

Until we beat them again next year, at least. The last time we played them, with the playoffs on the line, they stomped us pretty bad.

by Baked Potato Soup on Jun 29, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No they don't...

We split games with them last year…we have a better win loss record with them…why do we need to concede anything to them…

In fact, the only reason I ever “feared” them was because of Jim Johnson. JJ (…hope he has a full recovery) is not looking like he’s coaching in 2009.

by CaliFanInTx on Jun 29, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because the last time we played, they killed us.

They were way better in the last meeting, and they went much farther in the postseason. To say that they were not the better team at the end of last season is just being a homer, in my opinion. And since neither team has been on the field since then, it makes sense that they are still considered to be so. They also beat us at the end of the season the prior 2 years and went farther in the playoffs in 2006. They have been better than us. I’m looking forward to this team changing that, but based on the most recent results and the fact that they have had a better off season according to most analysts, they are better than us. I mean, how far back should we go to determine the better team? What better indicator is there than that the last time our team was on the field, they lost to the Eagles?

by Baked Potato Soup on Jun 29, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

To take it a step further

I was convinced they were going to pull a Giants – getting on a roll in the last half of the season and taking itall the way to the SB. Instead the Cards did that, something I didn’t see coming.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Jun 29, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where did I say they were not the better team at seasons end? Where?

My response was that 2009 is a new season, past performance should only weigh so much…

You have a tendency to “selectively” misinterpret facts to make your point.

Does not having Jim Johnson affect the Eagles performance this year?

by CaliFanInTx on Jun 29, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You asked why I think we need to concede anything to them.

And I answered. I’m not sure what I misinterpreted. I’ll break it down:

Eagles were better than the Cowboys at the end of last season.

Neither team has played yet this season.

Most analysts think the Eagles had one of the best off seasons in the NFL.

The Eagles should still be considered better until we beat them on the field.

That’s just my opinion and why I believe that it is fair for them to be considered better than the Cowboys at this time. Will the loss of Coach Johnson affect them? Probably, but I don’t know how much, if at all. Will the loss of our top TD scorer the past 3 years affect us? Probably, but I don’t know how much, if at all. Are you saying that no team should be considered better than any other at this point of the season? I can understand that logic, but I don’t agree with it. I think that the last time we played, they beat us soundly and we have not shown on the field that we have improved or they have declined since that time. So, until we beat them again, I think they are better than us, and apparently so do most people that are doing preseason rankings.

by Baked Potato Soup on Jun 29, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha, maybe.

But you responded to my post first. I don’t think they are better, I think it’s understandable that they would be considered better by anyone besides Cowboys fans.

by Baked Potato Soup on Jun 29, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They played well and were ready but we gave as much as they took.

We killed ourselves every bit as much as they killed up.

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the goverment from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.

by squidlo97 on Jun 29, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which reinforces BPS's

argument. They were better prepared, more hungry and made fewer mistakes. As much as everyone wants that to be a random occurence, it is a scenario we have seen repeated. Until that is rectified they will be better. The more talented team does not always win. If that were the case, NE would never lose a game.

When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.

by GunsUp on Jun 30, 2009 6:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not so sure about that if NE

had to play our December schedule, which was as brutal of a 4 game stretch as you’ll ever see. The defenses we played that month we among the very best in the league and and extremely physical so I believe it wore us down for that Philly game.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jun 30, 2009 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

All I am saying

is that pure talent on a team does not guarantee victory. It helps a lot, but on paper NE should pummel just about anyone they play.

When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.

by GunsUp on Jun 30, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

although I’m not sure NE is the most talented team in the league, it’s certainly debatable.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jun 30, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

NE is just an example.

It could be any team. Like us and the Rams.

When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.

by GunsUp on Jun 30, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that it was a brutal stretch

but I think that if Dallas is to succeed in the playoffs, they’ve got to show the best of the best that they belong right with them during the regular season.

This year we’ve got:
San Diego
The Saints
The Skins
and Eagles

3 of those teams could be top 10 teams this year, and the Skins will most likely be playing hard to survive the second to last game of the season.

The Cowboys have to earn it again, and if they do, if they take—say 3 of 4 in this stretch—they will have great momentum going into the postseason and more importantly, confidence. It’s gotta be at least 3 of 4 though, not 2-2 or worse.

All eyes on Free.

by Aaron Novinger on Jun 30, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it depends how well they start

Like in 2007, if they start out well, their Dec finish doesn’t have to be great.

Look at the Cards last year, they were putrid in Dec but caught fire in the playoffs.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jun 30, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont buy that argument,

in terms of: if we start well and have nothing to play for in December, we loose our edge, same as 2007. Look eagles last year they had something to play for at the end of the season and continued the momentum in to the post season

by dcfanz on Jun 30, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cards proved otherwise

I think it’s great to be playing your best football in December, but the Redbirds are proof it’s not necessary.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jun 30, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Forgot about that.

They even got hammered by the Pats—something like 47-7, and then all of a sudden starting clicking cuz they were so excited to be in the playoffs.

All eyes on Free.

by Aaron Novinger on Jun 30, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The whole scenario was a little bizarre to be honest

Usually a team catches fire during December and carries the “mo” to the bitter conclusion. The Cards were late, but somehow managed to do well, while the Steelers sort of just plugged along the whole time – never impressive (at least offensively) but always just steady.

I’m not Pats fan, but a healthy Brady would have changed the whole AFC dynamic…

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Jun 30, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

The Steelers got super lucky in that reagrd and the fact the Ravens upset the Titans who easily defeated the Steelers earlier in the season.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jun 30, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

NE is running on old hype...can we stop using them as an example of the perfect team?

They’re starting to look like the Cowboys in the late 90’s…many thought they were still contenders…but they had already lost too many pieces. NE is in a better position because they still have great coaching, but their running game isn’t that good, Harrision/Vrabel are gone, and their secondary doesn’t look stout.

by CaliFanInTx on Jun 30, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think we are being under rated.

Giants and Eagles will kick alot of ass outside the division but so will we.

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the goverment from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.

by squidlo97 on Jun 29, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

HOoWah to that!

I’d hate to be a Raider, KC, or Bronco fan this year.

"Grow where you are planted."

by Aaron Novinger on Jun 29, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

For all our bitching...

how do you think Broncos fans are feeling this year?

by CaliFanInTx on Jun 29, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd be pretty ticked off

A young coach decides to beat his chest and make his mark on the team by not giving an inch in the Cutler fisaco, the GM/owner are too weak to tell the coach to pound sand, and the team let’s a great young talent – at QB no less – run off to another team. Who is the last franchise QB Denver has had since Elway? NO ONE. Until Cutler.

It’s a case study in letting your ego get in the way of business.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Jun 29, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eagles are a good team

but I’d be nervous about expecting McNabb and Westbrook to make it through the season healthy. As for the Gmen, everyone loves to talk about the cowboys collapsing in december but nobody seems to remember that the Giants started out 11-1 last year before losing 3 of their last 4 to finish 12-4.

That is a 1-4 december without Plax so they should be pretty nervous about that stat heading into the season.

by Billito on Jun 29, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Giants will get a media pass for couple more years

coasting off the SB win. Shoot, Carolina is STILL coasting off their appearance in the SB.

It’s pretty funny because what you hear about the Cowboys is that it’s been 12 years. What players have been starting or playing for that time? None. Shoot, it’s virtually none if you go back four years. NFL teams turn over too fast to make any sense out of “haven’t won a playoff game in X time”. About the only guy you can indict is Jerry and he’s not going to be fire anytime soon. It’s crap, but it’s how they roll.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Jun 29, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

"Grow where you are planted."

by Aaron Novinger on Jun 29, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's to Terry's comment on the Eagles and Giants being overrated.

So the Giants got a coupla rookie WRs and a few FA pickups on defense…they lost alot more.

And I doubt anyone here thinks McNabb and his boys are gonna sweep our Boys. No way. That’s why the schedule makers have us finishing up again with them—to make us earn it.

And the Skins will annoy both of them as much as they’ll annoy us.

We run through the AFCWest and take 3 of 4 against the NFC South and we are golden. Gold, Jerry gold!

"Grow where you are planted."

by Aaron Novinger on Jun 29, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right

I think NTG defense will be tough, although there may be an adjustment period with the new DC. SO maybe look for alater-in-the-season surge like they had in their SB year. The offense will probably have some coordiation issus – a lot of new guys to integrate and that’ll likely be their weak point.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Jun 29, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

I think losing Spags will hurt a lot. Look at our D with Brian Stewart and Wade Phillips. World of difference. And it’s not like the G-Men ran a conventional defense. They ran a very aggressive, attacking defense and it seems to me that those kind of D’s need a good coordinator more so than a team that runs a vanilla Tampa-2 for some reason.

But yeah, Osi will be a boon for their pass defense. Isn’t he sort of a liability against the run though, ala Dwight Freeney? Or am I just assuming that every great pass rusher besides D-Ware sucks against the run?

by blee on Jun 29, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Osi's better than Freeney

but not as good as Ware. Neither is Merriman. So yeah, Ware is probably in a league of his own in rushing, playing the run and covering receivers in the flats.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Jun 29, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

They lost a real good DC w/ a ton of potential. Glad he’s gone.

"Grow where you are planted."

by Aaron Novinger on Jun 29, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really think

Mickens has the potential to be a steal. imo, before the injury, he was a top flight corner

'Howard makes me fear the NKoreans less... If they shot anything at us, he’d be there to block it." - Aquaman56

by hinduplaya on Jun 29, 2009 1:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hope so...

we definitey got a steal with Scandrick.

by CaliFanInTx on Jun 29, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great Stuff...

For fans like me who want some meat on their bones..This is great..Keep it up..

by bevomav on Jun 30, 2009 11:20 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

“Is there an anti- Cowboy bias in the media? Here is a recent scenario. The Cowboys release a certain aging receiver and they are slammed by the sports media and predicted to struggle in 2010.

During the same off season the New York Giants lose their number one receiver in Plaxico Burress, lose another receiver in Amani Toomer, lose a 1000 yard rusher in Derrick Ward and lose their successful Defensive Coordinator Steve Spagnuolo and still the sports press picks the Giants to win the division and possibly the Super Bowl.

The Giants and the Cowboys split their two games last season indicating that the gap between them is relatively small and yet the loss of the Cowboys number one receiver is predicted to have a greater negative impact than the Giants loss of several starters. Go figure."

I hope this isn’t meant to be serious… There’s a lot more to it than this Jim.

by Brendan Scolari on Jul 1, 2009 1:31 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Great points

Add to it that Dallas actually replaced it’s Number One receiver with another team’s Number One receiver and NYG replaced theirs with ummm… draft picks.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Jul 1, 2009 7:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was a quote from the article.

And I was disagreeing with it. But whatever.

by Brendan Scolari on Jul 2, 2009 2:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So....

You’re saying that what Jim said doesn’t make any sense at all?

it was weird, I... I mean you probably didn't hear about it because I went under the name of Mike Honcho. But I just wanted you to know that. If you can hear me, if it got into your brain somehow. That I spread my buttcheeks as Mike Honcho.

by AirforceBat on Jul 2, 2009 7:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I missed the quotes. I guess I'm used to looking for block quotes.

I think he makes some great points. Its definitely not the whole picture – Giants are getting a defensive star back and have a solid offensive line. But whether it’s ant-Dallas or just pro-NYG it think the general media is following a narrative that says “Dallas=Dysfunctional; Giants=Great”.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Jul 2, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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