A Case for Spencer
As fans we have heard all the negativity towards Anthony Spencer: He’s a bust! He’s not starting material! He can’t even beat out an old Greg Ellis! The Cowboys should have drafted Lamarr Woodley!
The truth of the matter is Spencer could have beaten out Ellis if he hadn’t been held back by injuries. As a matter of fact, he did beat out Ellis toward the end of last year as evidenced by the amount of playing time he received.
People are so quick to dismiss Spencer as a bust. Why? Because he couldn’t beat out Ellis his rookie year? Ellis was the comeback player of the year in 2007 recording 12 sacks. Anybody not named Ware or Merriman would have had trouble beating out Ellis that year. Spencer is a bust because he didn’t do anything in 2008. Hey genius, it's hard to do much when you’re sidelined for half the football season with arthroscopic knee surgery. It’s also hard to come back from that surgery and pick up where you left off. That’s like asking a sprinter to give his competition a three second head start in the hundred meter dash and expect him to catch up. It’s not gonna happen. Now, this is year three, Tom Landry’s and Bill Parcells’ barometer for a player to excel. Excelling is Spencer’s priority and he knows it.
What about Lamarr Woodley? He has developed faster than Spencer, but in the long run, he will not be a better player than Spencer. At Michigan Woodley was a "Three-year starter who played outside rush linebacker," which is the reason for his fast development as an OLB in the NFL. He had experience. Spencer was a defensive end at Purdue that was "Effective against wide running plays, [couldn’t] be hooked or pinned inside, and [could] play in space." Obviously it has taken time for Spencer to develop into an OLB having played three years as a defensive end in college. Spencer is good with room to be great because he hasn’t even tapped his potential. In year three of his NFL career Spencer will best Woodley.
During the 2007 NFL Draft, Joe Thomas, the third overall player taken in that draft and now a Pro Bowl left tackle for the Cleveland Browns, was asked what defensive player gave him the most trouble in his college career. Spencer, Woodley, and Thomas all played in the Big Ten, so they played each other regularly. Thomas, with unflinching conviction, answered "Anthony Spencer."
People have been saying that Spencer is a party animal, that it will get in his way, that partying is his priority. Utter nonsense! I heard it from a friend... who heard it from a friend... who heard it from a friend... You get the picture. If Spencer wants to party, he can do it after the game, win or lose.
Why will Spencer finally become a force? Spencer will become a force because he is now a seasoned veteran. He has learned the nuances of being a 3-4 OLB and will be a force against the run and pass opposite Ware. Spencer will become a force because Ellis is gone and will no longer stunt his development. When Spencer looks over his shoulder, Ellis will not be the pass rush specialist, and unless the rookies are studs and ready, only Williams and Butler will be there (to back him up).
Just for the record, scouts for Athlon Sports described Spencer as "relentless" and taking "good angles." He is described as "more than just a pass rusher" and playing the run with "strength and explosion." Offenses better watch out!
This season we can say without a doubt that Spencer will bust… on lineman, running backs, and quarterbacks.
Works Cited
Athlon Sports Draft Guide 2006
CBS Sports.com
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Waiting for Carl Shelton to weigh in here...
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
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by 5Blings on Jun 4, 2009 5:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Just wait.
Thats all Im sayin. Imma leave Spence alone till its time to say “I told you so.”
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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jun 4, 2009 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait
So you’re rooting for a Cowboy to fail whilst holding the torch for a divisive player that’s not even on the team any more?
I demand satisfaction. Defend your honor, sir!
Everything's looking up, Milhouse!
by accidental innuendo on Jun 5, 2009 5:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not rooting for any Cowboy to fail...EVER
I just know what I know. You see the hat in my picture. Thats not a stocking cap, that’s the Swami’s turban.
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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jun 5, 2009 7:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I loved the pick at the time
…but the devil is always in the details. Carl’s knowledge of him off the field is cause for concern.
I like to think that he could respond to Reggie Herring and Wade Phillips’ style, but not if he is preoccupied with other things. Joe Tiller was losing his competitive zest at the time Spencer was @ Purdue but he still had good statistical seasons.
Spencer has shown flashes, but he hasn’t had enough snaps to suggest that he will have what many think will be a breakout year.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Jun 6, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still believe in Spencer
I did see flashes of brilliance his rookie year, so I would not be so quick to call him a bust. I’d be worried if I hadn’t seen anything yet.
I think he will turn into a good-to-great 3-down player for us. He’ll never be Ware, but he can complement Ware like S. Phillips does S. Merriman in San Diego.
I will say this: I think he has a great killer instinct when he’s got the QB in his sights. He definitely brings the pain, maybe moreso than Ware. I still remember E. Manning cringing after a Spencer hit.
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by accidental innuendo on Jun 4, 2009 5:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you...
He’ll never be as good as Ware, even though Jerry stated he looked “as good as Ware” in training camp last year. I think he’ll be a very good complement.
He really does bring the pain. He slung Eli to the ground pretty hard. Eli was sidelined for the rest of the game and was in pain for a week.
by beautifultyrant on Jun 4, 2009 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about Lamarr Woodley? He has developed faster than Spencer, but in the long run, he will not be a better player than Spencer.
That’s about where I stopped reading.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 4, 2009 6:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You Lie!
You’re so much of a Cowboy hater, you couldn’t restist but read the whole post. Admit it.
by beautifultyrant on Jun 4, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lamarr Woodley
2008 – 60 tackles, 11.5 sacks, 2 forced fumbles, 4 fumble recoveries, 1 INT, 1 TD
2008 Playoffs – 16 tackles 6 sacks, 1 forced fumble.
There’s absolutely, positively no comparison here whatsoever. None. Lamarr Woodley and Anthony Spencer were both Big 10 linebackers drafted in 2007… And that’s where the comparison ends. Woodley had more sacks in 3 playoff games this year than Spencer has in his career. Look, if you want to make an optimistic post about a disappointing player, that’s cool… But next time I’d stop short of making ridiculous statements like “Woodley won’t be a better player than Spencer.”
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 5, 2009 5:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on, that is no better of a statemant than what you are blasting.
Woodley came to a veteran established D where everyone knows what everyone else is doing. He didnt have an established pass rusher in front of him taking passing downs. He didnt have the whole collection of players learning the D on the fly in its first year. His DC wasnt splitting time being a head coach. The question for me is could Spencer do similar results had he went to Pittsburgh. Maybe so, we wont know until the end of this year.
He who knows best knows how little he knows......Thomas Jefferson
by squidlo97 on Jun 5, 2009 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll take production over potential any day. Sorry, brother… There’s no comparison.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 5, 2009 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was talking about the situation they came into.
I believe Spencer could have certainly put up much better numbers there walking into a starting position with an outstanding D around him with everyone knowing their jobs compare to a new D with a very good pass rusher ahead of him.
I liked Woodly coming out of college but he also got a little luck on his side going there. Does he put up those numbers coming here. No. The coaching is not as good.(no knock on us but LeBeau is the man)and he would have had to cover more.
I cant argue with production over potential. There isnt one but lets re evaluate after the season. We will rack up some sacks this year as well. Spencer should have his.
He who knows best knows how little he knows......Thomas Jefferson
by squidlo97 on Jun 5, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hate to say it, but I have to agree with the Iggles fan
Saying that Spencer will pass Woodley is pretty ridiculous at this point. Woodley was a huge part of a Super Bowl champ and Spencer so far has been an occasional contributor on a disappointing team. That hurts me to say it, but its the truth.
Sure, Woodley might have gone into a better situation than Spencer, but the production is so different that I don’t think you can use that excuse. I hope Spencer will break out this year, but I’d trade Spencer’s potential for Woodley’s proven any day.
This is always the time of year that we drink the kool aid on a player’s potential for greatness, but more often than not, those players disappoint.
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by cowboysuberfan on Jun 8, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didnt say pass. I dont know if he is better. I think Woodley is fantastic.
But how many guys over the years have produced for Pitt playing there. Alot. Some because they know what they are looking for and some because of the system. Lets see what Spencer can do this year before we close the case.
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by squidlo97 on Jun 8, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
potential
Your LBs production against our TEs is potentially going to ruin your season.
Spencer can’t be any worse than all of those supposed great DLineman the Eagles have drafted in the last 4 yrs. Go back to bleedin green, Pat yourself on the back for that witty Blog of yours “NFC East WR”s are garbage.
By the way we’ve gotten more from a 7th rd pick in Crayton than you guys got out of your last 4 drafts. And yes Austin ,Hurd will produce. As I’m sure NYG,Wash 2nd yr guys will, Remember Jackson had to start because you had nothing else,same with Royal in Denver. East teams had starters so backups don’t play. Plenty of tape on DeSean now.
Your only weapon just decided to have loose pieces removed, Go fill your holes, add another band-aid Jones,Hobbs,Andrews,Peters by the way goto the Pats chat, Hobbs fan nickname was burn’t toast, says it all. Peters is going to deter Ware? He gave up 7 sacks in his division last year,Ware gets 5 Spencer 3 Rat just throws McNabulous to the ground a few times.
by psychodad on Jun 6, 2009 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bad Day
You know its a bad day whe I agree with an Eagles fan. While I think that Spencer can be a solid or even a really good player for the Cowboys, Lamar Woodley is right now a great player and Spencer hasn’t shown anything like that just quite yet.
Just to be fully transparent though, it should be noted that I am a huge University of Michigan fan.
There are lots of people that go to church on Sundays to get in touch with God. Personally, my church is on Sunday as well, it just happens to involve watching the Dallas Cowboys.
by Cowboyfan729 on Jun 5, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No worries ...
we saw right through you. 8^)
by GalTex on Jun 5, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Woodley or Spencer
Good or bad Dallas doesn’t just start rookies unless they have to.Woodley went to a team that hemorages LBs every year.So drafting a LB to play LB right away makes sense,DE to LB
might not be a slam dunk everytime.
He has to play now just because 2 yrs. it’s contract time! 8 games will tell all.
by psychodad on Jun 6, 2009 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good post, tyrant ... but Spencer is no Woodley
Not yet for sure, and who knows about the future. Woodley’s numbers last year were sick. I would take half those for Spencer and call it a productive season. I hope you are right about this post, and you do bring up some interesting facts as to why we havent seen the best of Spencer yet. I think you took it too far with the Woodley comparison. He does need to show up, and I hope can can become match the Shaun Phillips or Greg Ellis production in 2009.
by TCBinNYC on Jun 5, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its unfair to compare Spencer's stats to Woodley's
Woodley played primarily on passing downs whereas Spencer didn’t and Woodley played in more games. If Spencer plays in as many games as Woodley this season, I’ll bet he equals his production in sacks and tackles.
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by Terry on Jun 5, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those are pretty lofty expectations...
Without looking, do you want to take a guess how many linebackers had more sacks than Woodley last year? (I’ll post it below…)
To bet that a guy that has yet to prove he belongs on the field full-time is going equal Woodley’s production is just a tad unrealistic.
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by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 5, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no it isn't
Spencer is tremendously talented and certainly has the ability to post those numbers, it’s not unrealistic at all.
Guarantee he takes down your boy McNabb a time or two next season.
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by Terry on Jun 5, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, let me get this straight
You defend Greg Ellis and talk about what a solid player he’s been for years and years. And now you are expecting Spencer (in his third season after doing next to nothing for the last two) to put up numbers greater than Greg Ellis has ever put up in his illustrious 11 year career?
Your expectations seem way too high for Spencer and a little low for Ellis.
by TCBinNYC on Jun 5, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no they're not
Spencer is a player ready to have a break out season, just like Austin. Just because they both are young without tons of experience doesn’t mean they don’t have the talent or ability to succeed.
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by Terry on Jun 5, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey guys...
good article about Spencer and the rookies by Rob Phillips on DC.com. Here’s a tidbit:
“Leaps and bounds,” Spencer said. “I learned so much my first two years being able to play and be out there with these guys and then have experience with Greg and D-Ware around me. Those dudes helped out a lot, too.”
-Rob Phillips
by beautifultyrant on Jun 6, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great post
"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards
by nicholas.rodriguez on Jun 4, 2009 8:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My only concern is injuries
If he stays healthy all year, he won’t be our problem. The film I saw on him showed stout play at the line – better than most of our front five. I think the tackles and sacks will come as he improves his technique.
by BigE on Jun 4, 2009 10:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Injuries will be the only thing preventing Spencer
from becoming a really good player. So far he’s been a china doll, hopefully it’s not a trend.
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by Terry on Jun 5, 2009 7:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If he's not so motivated by football
I think the question becomes – who is going to light a fire under his a$$? We saw this with Marty B last year in camp in the famous ‘high and tight’ sequences. Then J Whit, the consummate pro, basically said ’I’ll help you when I think you’re ready/deserving’. Don’t think ’Tellus was unmotivated, but he was unfocused. Not so much anymore.
I do think the talent is there, but it will take a combination of assertive coaching and team mate peer pressure to help Spencer understand anything less than full out is unacceptable. Believe B James will have no problem doing that, but it will probably have more impact coming from DWare. Can the LB coaches – RHerring/D Nguyen instill that in him as well? Can WP, back off the effusive praise and demand some intensity?
PS – I live in downtown Indy, Red Eye Cafe is basically where you go for the proverbial 3AM breakfast to counteract the imbibings of the evening with some quality grease, aka breakfast. They recently stopped serving alcohol, the manager stating, I’m trying to get the drunks to leave, not stay.’ Cops in that area are notoriously intolerant of drunken stupidity. It’s a common site to see wasted patrons in cuffs as you exit several of the watering holes around there.
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by tdships on Jun 5, 2009 9:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think that spencer knows that his time there may not be in jeopardy this year
but if he wants to stay a starter he needs to bring it this year because ellis is no longer there to come in if he is not upto the challenge. If spencer cannot live up to their expectations he will see a drafted replacement come in or have one of the other guys come in because they will want to take his job.
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by cowboy78 on Jun 5, 2009 9:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Spencer will have plenty of motivation
That motivation is called Victor Butler and Brandon Williams….they may be rookies this year, but I think they will push him in a few years if he isn’t consistently good.
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by Terry on Jun 5, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A seasoned veteran?
He may pan out, but that is a stretch. He has played a part time role for two years, and has one sophomoric off-field incident.
by I_miss_Switzer on Jun 5, 2009 4:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
2 years ago Ellis had 12 sacks and Spencer had 3.5. for a total of 15.5 from ROLB position.
I see no reason in the world why Spencer in this D with Wade running the show why he can’t have 10 sacks barring injury. That puts him on par with Woodley. I see no reason why he cant take the next step.
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by squidlo97 on Jun 5, 2009 5:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Lifting shoes
I personally saw him lift Staley out of his shoes one time, so I know he can do it.
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by SaratogaRacing on Jun 5, 2009 8:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"Bye, Dawk" needs a damn hobby
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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jun 5, 2009 10:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
totally!
"Grow where you are planted."
by Aaron Novinger on Jun 8, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you have pull on this site
Block him. He’s a punk/troll. Have you noticed he doesn’t contribute much to the discussion?
He brags to his fellow inbreeders on the angry green site about how riled up he gets everyone.
It is time!
BTW, I love your posts. Stay classy.
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by HudBaby on Jun 5, 2009 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha...
I don’t name-call or use offensive language… I pretty much just express opinions usually backed up by some kind of statistical evidence or insight, so not to sound smug, but I’m not going anywhere.
Asking for me to be blocked is like telling on me to mommy and daddy. You’re better than that, brother.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 6, 2009 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like reading different opinions
so you’re a good read as far as i’m concerned.
I just feel sorry for ya being an eagles fan!!!
by christmasisdraftday on Jun 6, 2009 1:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I enjoy having you here.
You are courteous and informed.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jun 6, 2009 2:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I like you more than those other two goobers.
What’s their names route 66 and some other dude who just spouts out crap.
it was weird, I... I mean you probably didn't hear about it because I went under the name of Mike Honcho. But I just wanted you to know that. If you can hear me, if it got into your brain somehow. That I spread my buttcheeks as Mike Honcho.
by AirforceBat on Jun 9, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Im sure your beat writers are as bad as ours and just as clueless. I like hearing your take on your team and ours. I wouldnt care for you trolling our site after a big loss but I wouldnt do that to you either.
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by squidlo97 on Jun 6, 2009 7:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And somehow I missed the “bragging about ruling you up” the first time I read it – Never once.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 6, 2009 5:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
They blocked me on the Eagles site for posting a great merger idea with the Bengals.
They are insulated and refuse to have any fun loving dialogue about their legacy of folly.
I for one, don’t mind BD since he conjures up rich and spirited conversation. I like to think we are quantum leaps ahead of his brethren in Philly in our willingness to engage.
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by 5Blings on Jun 6, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
conversation?
I don’t mind BD for the most part, but the ONLY reason he’s here is to stir up the nest. He does a very good job of it but I’d hardly call it conversation. More like lofty, long winded, digressive arguments. He tosses a match because he knows it will start a blaze. If anyone here doesn’t want him here, it’s as ez as not responding. No fuel, no fire, the match must extinguish.
by sublimezg on Jun 6, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
GD88 he has a hobby...
blogging the boys.
I had the misfortune of living in PA for 3 plus years, so I look at Bye Dawk in a different light. He is better than most from Pennsyltucky. I mean really, the eagles have won a playoff game! Maybe before he dies they can win a super bowl. Wishful thinking I know, but at least we can give the guy some hope.
I don’t mind people with different opinions posting. I am surprised at how many people can’t take every player being called the best at their position in the NFL on this team. Other than Witten and Ware can anybody else even be argued to be the best at their position?
I am a homer with my Cowboys goggles securely on, but I don’t mind others posting their differing opinions as long as they’re not talking out their arse.
by christmasisdraftday on Jun 6, 2009 1:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love it
“I had the misfortune of living in PA for 3 plus years.” That’s just beautiful. I’m a native Pennsylvanian and I can’t stand it here and unfortunately given my circumstances I can’t relocate but I wish I could.
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by Terry on Jun 6, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a native altoonan, who relocated out west long ago
For once we agree on something Terry. At least you have the chiefs ; )
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by dave33 on Jun 9, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL!!
You’re from Altoona?? No kidding, then you know all about the armpit of the universe known as Johnstown, PA.
At least we have some pro athletes from our town, most notably Jack Ham and just maybe that Hawkins kid will have people here becoming Cowboys fans this summer….one can only dream, lol.
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by Terry on Jun 9, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, but its not like Altoona
is all that better. But I don’t envy you having to be around insufferable steelers fans all the time. Every once in a while I forget why I hate the steelers. Then I visit my family and friends in the area and then it all comes back to me.
I am a fan of Jack Ham because he went to PSU, where I went. You’re probably a Pitt fan? If I remember, Ham went to Bishop McCort? I went to Bishop Guilfoyle and we used to play McCort and that was their claim to fame if I remember correctly.
By the way, I didn’t know the Hawkins kid was from Johnstown. I liked what he showed last night and he’s the youngest guy on the show. But because I now know that he’s from our neck of the woods, I now like him even more.
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by dave33 on Jun 9, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, both he and his brother Artrell
are from Johnstown and both went to Bishop McCort. Artrell played for the Bengals, Panthers and Patriots before he retired 2 years ago. I run into him once in a while when I go out and pick his brain on the ins and outs of pro football.
Yeah, Ham went to McCort as well. Now that the student body of Johnstown High School has decreased, McCort is now our biggest rivals instead of Altoona. I do miss the Johnstown/Altoona high school rivalries though.
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by Terry on Jun 9, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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