Nose News - The Rat, Baby Fat, Mr. T and the Samoan Cat
I think everyone wanted the Cowboys to draft a planetoid to put in the middle at nose tackle, to back up Jay Ratliff and give him flexibility to play some at end. It didn't happen.
What we do have is a collection of very large men who have two things in common.
1) All have played in the NFL before with minimal success.
2) All have been out of the game for at least one season.
I'm going to take a quick look at three players and offer my best guess as to who will make the final 53.
I'm not going to discuss The Rat - Pro-Bowler Jay Ratliff. We know he is the classic over-achiever. He has a high motor and will command double teams. We have to have a viable back up to spell him, and heaven forbid, replace him in case of injury.
Baby Fat is Jonas Seawright the 6'6", 340 pound free agent who has been out of football since the Giants cut him in 2007. Seawright played college ball for North Carolina and was an undrafted free agent for the Giants in 2005. The G-Men were high on Seawright but wanted him to trim down to 330 and gain quickness and speed. He made the 53 man roster for the 2006 team and played in 9 games and was credited with one tackle.
The local NY blogoshere and press had fun hyping the guy to extremes based on his massive size. He's unblockable, he eats reporters, etc. Apparently he didn't get into shape and failed to live up to that hype. In his own words, "I was fat and out of shape. I had just had a kid."
Two words. Camp Body
Tim Anderson, or Mr. T, is another candidate for J-Rat's back up. He played for Ohio State and was drafted by Buffalo in the third round in 2004. He played very little as a rookie but in 2005 he played in every game, starting 13 out of 16 games. His playing time decreased in 2006 and he was released by the Bills in October, 2007. He signed with the Falcons two weeks later and finished out the season with them and had eight tackles. He was re-signed the following year but released just after training camp. In his four years as a pro he has recorded 82 tackles. His decline in playing time and his subsequent absence from the league will be hurdles to overcome. He does have some history in the NFL and should know what it takes to succeed. He will have to bring everything he has to make the 53.
Saousoalii Poe Siavii, Jr. is the Samoan Cat. Junior Siavii has one of the most interesting stories of anyone on the Cowboys team. A huge kid at 18, he was lured to the states by an unscrupulous man who promised he would have Junior play college football but instead had the kid living in a basement working for no pay in the guy's T-shirt factory. If you read the full story you get a better picture of the man who is trying to win a spot as a back-up NT. My impression is that he, at age 30, is a 330-pound child. He seems like a man who has not yet decided to buckle down and work at his craft to become as good as he can be. Junior needs to have someone give him structure and leadership.
His one saving grace may be Igor Olshansky who was one of his best buddies at Oregon. Igor is a weight-room, work-ethic demon. When Junior was around Igor, he worked harder at reaching his potential. I'm watching to see how much time he and Igor spend together this offseason and during camp. If Igor and Junior can develop that bond again, it will be good for both of them, and the Cowboys.
It's a long shot, but I think Junior Siavii has the best chance to make the team. He has the size and strength to play the position but he hasn't had the dedication. Perhaps (and I'm not willing to bet on it) if he has matured enough and if he and Igor can recapture some of that collegiate camaraderie - Junior will be able to make a contribution this year.
Perhaps.
* Other options could include a NT cut from another team or even DE Marcus Dixon has been discussed.
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No, you covered that a while back.LOL!
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the goverment from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
by squidlo97 on Jun 8, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aw man dont be like that. it seemed like such an open shot I couldnt resist.
Ive read enough of your posts to believe you would have done the same.
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the goverment from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
by squidlo97 on Jun 9, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha it's cool
I left that wide open, didn’t I?
……….
Booyah!
by what_the_crap on Jun 9, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
“I was fat and out of shape. I had just had a kid.”
Gender check. I have heard this excuse, but never from a man.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
by OskieOskie on Jun 8, 2009 5:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The first couple months are tough...
You get zero sleep…
McGruber!
by Mojoness on Jun 8, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how does that explain getting fat??
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jun 9, 2009 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
of course
I’d like to know how deprivation of sleep has to do with weight gain because I would think the more one is awake, the more calories they are burning as well.
I’m not aware of a desire to eat more and exercise less when one is tired. I know when I’m tired, I want to sleep, not eat.
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by Terry on Jun 9, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are not aware of a desire to exercise less when you are tired? Really?
Even if you don’t eat more, you will probably not be as careful with your diet (because you are tired and will eat whatever is handy) and coupled with exercising less, you’ll plump up
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Jun 9, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
If your tired you might not want to do anything physical. You don’t burn that many calories sitting on your ass.
It’s not about being awake, it’s about doing something while you’re awake.
it was weird, I... I mean you probably didn't hear about it because I went under the name of Mike Honcho. But I just wanted you to know that. If you can hear me, if it got into your brain somehow. That I spread my buttcheeks as Mike Honcho.
by AirforceBat on Jun 9, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hate to admit it, but...
It happens to the best of us.
The wife and I went from doing stuff outdoors 3x per week to sitting around eating icecream and scrunching. The second trimester is the greatest 3 months of a man’s life.
Maybe he just likes icecream?
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.
-Winston Churchill
by HudBaby on Jun 8, 2009 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It can happen, but you've gotta fight through it.
I have 3 kids and I never let it make me inactive. If it means getting up at 4:30 to work out while everyone is asleep then you just gotta do it. It’s hard, but I’m not giving up my body for anything. Your kids come first but you have to make time to stay in shape.
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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jun 8, 2009 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously... you didn't have them 'yourself'...
..but I know what you’re sayin’. No kids, but I’m 24, still a young pup I reckon, and when I wake up in the morning… it’s a… just.. a drive to better yourself. I actually posted a workout vid of Jonas the other day… not familiar with all of his NFL skills… and yes, he DID have a few bad techniques… but the dude… loooked PISSED, if you know what I mean in that aspect.
Hooah.
by .FRoST.USAF on Jun 9, 2009 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From an old fanpost...
Yep, Jay Ratliff certainly needs a breather every once in a while. And if he comes off the field, then yes, our options in a base 3-4 defensive formation are limited. That’s not an inspiring list of options at backup NT. I think Junior’s interesting too, but it’s not like he hasn’t had a chance to make this team before.
I think the best way to spell Rat is not to sub him out in a base 3-4 set. Our formations are more flexible than we probably give them credit for much of the time on this board, and for all our talk of the 3-4 defense, we are often in effect playing a 4 man line (or even a 5 man line, in the case of the 46 defense that Raf has broken down many times).
Because of that, to me the best way to take Rat off the field for a few plays is going to a 4 man line on certain downs— Ware, Spencer outside, Hatcher and Spears inside, or whatever your favored foursome is.
My point is what I hope is a reassuring one: Despite his size, Jay Ratliff has not shown a tendency to wear down, and if he did, we have a way to field a full defensive 11 without necessarily having a classic backup NT out there.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Jun 8, 2009 5:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What if
J. Ratliff has to miss a few games?
I live and die with the Dallas Cowboys
by stxshooter on Jun 8, 2009 6:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
As Tim Wilson said above,
the Cowboys will use 4-5 man fronts more often to make up for the loss.
"Grow where you are planted."
by Aaron Novinger on Jun 8, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Simple....were screwed....Rat goes down were in serious trouble don't kid yourself...
by Boyzfan94 on Jun 8, 2009 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably so...
But then again, raise your hand if you thought Jay Ratliff was going to do anything if Ferguson went down?
And be honest.
it was weird, I... I mean you probably didn't hear about it because I went under the name of Mike Honcho. But I just wanted you to know that. If you can hear me, if it got into your brain somehow. That I spread my buttcheeks as Mike Honcho.
by AirforceBat on Jun 9, 2009 7:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe.....people who followed the team knew of Rats potential....Ferguson wasn't anything special in the middle...
Actually, we need that type of space eater again. Ferguson ate up double teams and did well against the run, but wasn’t a perpetrator like Ratliff can be. There is no Ratliff waiting behind Ferguson out of this group….not even close, which means if Ratliff goes down were in trouble.
Be honest here……
by Boyzfan94 on Jun 9, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I followed the team pretty closely...
I knew that he was a mean SOB that I liked, but I didn’t think that could hold up as a NT.
it was weird, I... I mean you probably didn't hear about it because I went under the name of Mike Honcho. But I just wanted you to know that. If you can hear me, if it got into your brain somehow. That I spread my buttcheeks as Mike Honcho.
by AirforceBat on Jun 9, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll be honest,
that whole situation had the same feel as this. I was mad when they cut Remi because they thought Rat could do it. I didn’t think he had the bulk to hold up. I’m not too proud to make that claim.
by Mandmeisterx on Jun 9, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you can say the exact same thing regarding
Romo, Witten and Ware.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jun 9, 2009 8:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps
I could see the argument in Ware, as he brings so much to the table for the team, but with the others I don’t think we would be entirely dead in the water. Kitna is certainly capable to win games(Sure as hell better than Brad was), and Kitna has experience with Roy as well. And who knows the future of Marty B and his development, but dude has the physical ability to be better than Witten(though won’t be), so I do think the offense would be fine.
But if Ware, Rat, Flozell, or Roy E. goes down, we are dead in the water.
by Zach22 on Jun 9, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we're not dead in the water if Rat goes down either
We would sign another veteran NT off the street but essentially our run defense just wouldn’t be as good, but I got news for you, our pass offense wouldn’t be as good without Romo or Witten either.
Kitna and Bennett might be good backups, but they are not eilte players like Romo and Witten.
Another player that is vital to our offense is F Jones, as our offense would really suffer without him as well.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jun 9, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We can't afford
losing an OL, witness last year when Kosier went down.
We now have decent depth at QB and TE. Sure, the backups aren’t as good as the starters; that is why they are backups.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
by OskieOskie on Jun 9, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And there is the million dollar question
by THEjarhead on Jun 8, 2009 6:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1000
Seawright is fat and out of shape, Anderson I thought had surgery on his toe and Savaii needs a babysitter to get him to potentially play at a level that’s acceptable. For an important position that takes a lot physical abuse, that’s not too comforting to know that these are our choices should Rat have to miss a few games.
I think that Rat’s backup is on another team right now, or I at least hope so.
by T Zig on Jun 8, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Savaii
with Igor keeping him on task.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
by OskieOskie on Jun 8, 2009 7:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I doubt Savaii is lazy
I just doubt you can really make much impact in the NFL with out being raised playing football – excepting a few special players
That said if he’s the one I hope he works
by AustonianAggie on Jun 8, 2009 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not so much lazy
as, well, think George and Lenny in Of Mice and Men.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
by OskieOskie on Jun 9, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Props
For getting a Of Mice and Men reference.
it was weird, I... I mean you probably didn't hear about it because I went under the name of Mike Honcho. But I just wanted you to know that. If you can hear me, if it got into your brain somehow. That I spread my buttcheeks as Mike Honcho.
by AirforceBat on Jun 9, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not on the team yet - gets my vote
Best chance is Siavii of the current roster, but it won’t be hard to find a better option as soon as the flood of roster cuts hits in August.
Although I am rooting for the Samoan Cat to prove me wrong.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Jun 8, 2009 7:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Enough with the experiments
We’ve already played Spears at DT some. He looks more like a DT than a DE anyway. Rotating Spears in at DT is a better option. You have more serviceable DE’s than DT’s. Give Spears 20 snaps at DE and 20 snaps at DT, and use your DE depth in the interim. Rotate Hatcher, Dixon, and Bowen frequently. Keep all your horses fresh.
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by SB Six on Jun 8, 2009 7:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Also a good idea
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Jun 8, 2009 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup, Spears can always rotate in.
I suspect Bowen can play a little nose also, seeing that he slides inside on nickel and dime packs.
"Grow where you are planted."
by Aaron Novinger on Jun 8, 2009 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
save a roster spot
Spears is clearly the best choice. DE rotation of Igor, Hatcher, Dixon and Bowen is much better to me than Rat with a chump.
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.
-Winston Churchill
by HudBaby on Jun 8, 2009 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this one postion on the team that we will not have a true backup when all is said and done. I think that by carrying 2 kickers and the special team specialists that the postions will be taken by them. They may fell that in certain situations that Dixon, Spears, Igor and Bowen will be able to spell him. That way we are not carrying a player that isn’t that good just to be a backup for that one position.
by cowboyjohn on Jun 8, 2009 10:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey Jim, that is A LOT of IF's
I don’t like if’s. Basically what you said was,
WE DON’T HAVE A NOSE BACK UP.
That my Dallas friends is pure BS.
by torchindefenses on Jun 8, 2009 11:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
BS that we don't have a backup.
What the h#$$? What does it take to get one?
by torchindefenses on Jun 8, 2009 11:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A top 10 pick in the right year.
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the goverment from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
by squidlo97 on Jun 9, 2009 7:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we didn't acquire a back up NT
because it’s obvious that Wade really likes Siavii. He sees something in him and if Wade is good at anything, it’s defense and knowng defensive talent.
I trust him in this regard. He certainly couldn’t be worse than any rookie we could have drafted in rds 3 through 7.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jun 9, 2009 8:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I really think you are
Mickey Spagnola posting as Terry. Is Jerry paying you?
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
by GunsUp on Jun 9, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I haven’t heard Wade say 1 thing about Siavii so I will not assume he has any confidence in him. I am more likely to assume Wade was talked into the Special Teams draft idea or something of that nature.
Oh, I see Vince Wilfork’s having issue over in New England lol :D. The seleceted my Ron Brace so they’ll be aight if we somehow acquire Vince from them.
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by CodeNamedG on Jun 9, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Siavii.......lol...I needed a good laugh
Is this the same Siavii that has been cut and signed to the PS, I don’t know how many times?
And yes he can be alot worse than a DT/NT taken in round 3 to 7….
by Boyzfan94 on Jun 9, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
obviously Wade doesn't think so
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jun 9, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bummer that Brace was drafted so high
Most pundits were predicting him going in the 3rd round. If we had got him in the 2nd I would have been much happier with our draft.
None of these guys fill me with confidence. How are our stocks at D-End, maybe Hatcher can finally step up, then we can move Spears to NT to spell Rat.
"Where's Woody? - We need another Darren Woodson
by BoyfromOz on Jun 9, 2009 9:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good point on Hatcher.
If he shows the coaches that he needs to be on the field more, then they could play more with Spears’ and Bowens’ versatility.
"Grow where you are planted."
by Aaron Novinger on Jun 9, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 on Spears.......
might as well do something with him because I really doubt he will be resigned in the off season…..
by Boyzfan94 on Jun 9, 2009 11:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Put me down for "NT cut from another team"
Also, I met Marcus Dixon the other day. He seems like a very nice dude and I like his back story and all that stuff. But he did NOT look like a NT. He’s actually pretty thin and I have a hard time believing he’s 285 lbs.
by TCBinNYC on Jun 9, 2009 1:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
before it’s all said and done, I think our backup NT is currently on another NFL roster.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jun 9, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoever this guy is...
It would help a whole lot more if he were able to be here now. Will he even know how to play NT and could he hold the line like a true NT should. Anyone have any possible options for this person? How tolerant is Belichik of players holding out? What are the chances we land Wilfork if he takes his hold out really serious? If is Siavii is the option we will still need to be looking at another NT next year if not this one. I’m sure we’re not sorry enough to select Terrence Cody with the way he’s already being praised.
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by CodeNamedG on Jun 10, 2009 2:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That player has to be cut first
and teams don’t cut decent players until the mandatory cut dates at the end of August, early Sept.
And no, we have chance of landing Wilfork, not an option.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jun 10, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There will be no true NT's cut because there are few to begin with....
If anything you will see a few undersized DT’s cut, but not anyone we can use as a 3-4 NT…..
We are going to live and die by this group so get used to it….So yes, if Rat goes down were in a heap…..
by Boyzfan94 on Jun 11, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
who said that the player has to be a true NT?
Ratliff is undersized but he’s an all-pro. I think in Wade’s 3-4 scheme, athletic, quicker NTs can work just as well as massive wide bodies.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jun 11, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We don't need another Ratiff....we need a 325+ monster to stuff the middle...
Wade had Jamal Williams in SD who ate up double teams. He was also quick at 340+ lbs…so yes, he does like those wide bodied NT’s.
by Boyzfan94 on Jun 12, 2009 12:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
but what you don't seem to understand is that
those type of players are very rare, remember Parcell’s planet theory?? There are only so many huge men like that on the planet, so you take one when one comes along. Unfortunately, we haven’t had that opportunity lately.
I think it’s easier to find another Ratliff than another Jamal Williams.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jun 12, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmmm.
I have to disagree with that. While players with Ratliff’s body type may be more readily available, I think players with that body type that can ably play the nose in the 3-4 are even more rare than guys that are a larger body type and can play the nose. That’s why Ratliff is somewhat unique when compared to other 3-4 NTs in the league.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jun 12, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup.
And if we find another Ratliff-type, then we don’t need a Jamal Williams-type becuz they can simply rotate the two smaller guys more often. Better talent trumps bigger dudes.
"Grow where you are planted."
by Aaron Novinger on Jun 12, 2009 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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