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Fun with Scientific Football '09: The Corner Kids Are Alright


I had a long talk with the Football Scientist K.C. Joyner yesterday.  He's hard at work on Scientific Football '09, and he gave me an extended peek at what promises to be the biggest and best edition yet. 

I can't reveal very much of what I saw but I will show you how you can get your own early access to the book as it develops.  What I can share are a few pass coverage metrics which strongly suggest that the Cowboys were right to promote the kids Mike Jenkins and Orlando Scandrick to right corner and slot corner.

Star-divide

Midway through the '08 season, shortly after the blowout loss to the Giants, I spoke to a source who told me he was hearing through league grapevines that teams were targeting Anthony Henry, feeling he had lost his top gear.  Some of these sources felt, at that early stage, that Mike Jenkins was a better option at corner.  He was green, but he had the athleticism and recovery speed Henry no longer seemed to possess. 

Dallas stuck with Henry the rest of the way, inserting him in the lineup when he recovered from his usual assortment of strains and sprains.  They didn't stay with him a minute longer than that;  Henry was swapped to Detroit in the Jon Kitna deal and Jenkins today mans the right corner slot opposite Terence Newman

The '08 pass metrics show that the veterans dropped badly last year.  Here's a four year chart of Henry and Newman's YPAs.  (League rank in parentheses)

Player-team 2005 2006 2007 2008 Avg.
Terence Newman
5.8 (7th) 7.1 (29th) 6.1 (14th) 8.3 6.8
Anthony Henry
7.7 (53rd) 6.7 (20th) 6.6 (22nd) 7.7 7.2

 

It is not surprising, but until last year, Newman was consistently better than Henry. Both dropped off last year, but for different reasons. Newman fought a hernia, which finally shut him down mid-season. He had some of his worst-ever games just before the surgery, most notably in the October Redskins loss, where Santana Moss roasted him.

Those injured games inflated Newman's numbers, but he had some strong games post-surgery.  He contained Moss in the rematch win and kept Domenik Hixon under wraps in Dallas' December win over the Giants. 

Evidence that Newman still has it when healthy (and I should point out that his '04 through '07 YPA average ranked 2nd among NFL corners who played all four seasons) was his 40.4% success rate against passes his way.  40% is the dividing line for starting corners; a percentage above 40 denotes quality.  The further below it the fall, the more sub-par you are.

Newman success percentage averaged 44.7% the previous three seasons and he kept it above 40% even when hobbled. 

Henry, on the other hand, saw his percentage plummet to 35% just one season after posting a very strong 48%.  In fact, Henry's breakup percentages were consistently better than Newman's his first three years in Dallas.  His lowest total came in '06, when he posted a 45% success rate.  Dave Campo summed up Henry's game perfectly in camp when he told me, "he's not the fastest guy, but he gets his hands on a lot of footballs."  Until '08, this was definitely the case.  It does appear, however, that Henry's closing skills began to abandon him last year, and quickly.

And the rookies?  Scandrick and Jenkins both posted YPAs under 6.0, which are excellent.  Their success percentages were well into the 40s.  Scandrick came remarkably close to the 50% mark, which is the true floor for anybody wanting to lay claim to the misleading "shut-down corner" title.  As I wrote last year:

Stopping opponents 50% of the time appears to be the threshold for being considered a shutdown corner. In the last three years ['05-'07] only 38 corners have achieved this — 9 in 2005, 17 in 2006 and 12 last season. Since shutdown connotes performance far above 50%, I think that the term should be discarded or ignored; literal shut-down corners simply don’t exist.

Only once in that span has a corner topped 60% in success percentage, that coming last year when the Raiders Nnamdi Asomugha posed a 62.9% success rate. Asomugha is the hardest corner to throw against, topping 50% in each of the last three years, the only cornerback to do so.

-- Do YPAs Mimic the SAT?  BSR, July 14, 2008

 

The Cowboys appear to have hit with both their big '08 corner picks, and given Henry's seeming rapid decline, the timing could not have been better.  Many Cowboys fans are anxious because the team is entrusting a lot of key spots to youngsters this year.  In the secondary, I think it's the older hands, Newman and Ken Hamlin, who have the bigger questions to answer.  The kids, based on their admittedly small '08 samples, appear to be fine.

Want the full corner numbers? 

Want to know if Demarcus Ware really is a complete, dominant linebacker? 

Want to know where Jay Ratliff ranks among NFL nose tackles against the run?

Want to know if Flozell Adams is in early decline or merely worked through a series of injuries? 

Want to know how Anthony Spencer's play compared to Greg Ellis', and if Dallas cast off the vet too soon?

Don't want to wait until camp for the answers?  I recommend following this link to Scientific Football 2009's page.  This year's book contains running game metrics, in addition to the usual passing game stats.  This gives an idea of how each team's offensive and defensive front sevens performed last season. 

Joyner is using the internet to give early buyers early access to his stats.  He's completing stats one division at a time and told me that anybody who orders the book now will get the run stats e-mailed to them every week as he completes them.  He had the AFC East and NFC West completed as of Sunday and will post the NFC East late this week. 

These stats will let you compare Dallas' offensive line to every other one in the division -- and the league.  You can see how the Dallas tackles compare to the Eagles', and the Giants' and the Redskins'.  You can see if Jason Peters is really worth the big deal Philly gave him.  You can see how each Dallas defensive lineman and linebacker did against the run.  And you can get the numbers ASAP.  Just go here

And dont' forget to tell KC BloggingtheBoys sent you.

PS -- while you're purchasing your football fix, also consider pre-ordering the Maple Street Press Cowboys 2009 Annual you see in the right hand column.  K.C. has a fabulous column using many of these same metrics there.

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Even disregarding stats

to me, these guys pass the eye test with flying colors. No longer are wrs runnign rampant wide open through our secondary. When Jenkins and Scandrick did give up catches last year, they were almost always within arms reach of the guy. Scandrick is particularly impressive. The improvement from Jacque Reeves to him cannot be understated.

by foyesboys on Jun 9, 2009 1:16 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Awesome post

Great stuff all around, that’s a great preview of what’s to come.

Very interesting to truly see how shut down Newman was from 04-07 and he showed last year he’s still an elite corner when healthy.

Point blank, when he’s on his game he makes our entire defense better, I really hope we continue letting Newman shadow the teams best WR all game one on one and challaege him with shutting him down.

by LonghornsLegend on Jun 9, 2009 1:42 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

phew, I guess that means no Crackman Jones comin back

by Turbo73 on Jun 9, 2009 3:49 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Lol !!!

Garrett needs to get a clue!

by BulletBob on Jun 9, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Henry was a source of perpetual frustration

He played well for the Cowboys, and then suddenly last year, he wasn’t even in the picture at the LOS. The bigger frustration was the Cowboys doing nothing about it. Even though they had Pacman, a first round talent, and a fifth round gem, they just kept trotting Henry out there. Everyone in the freakin league knew when they came to Dallas that they had their short game as a gimme.

This is what bothers me about the Cowboys more than anything. They are the most hesitant team in the league to play young players. Other teams draft talent and throw them to the wolves. Dallas makes them sit on the bench for one to two years, and brings in geriactric nightmares to bridge the gap.

But suddenly, they don’t seem to be doing that. Granted, we have a great sophomore class, but when you have a young buck with skills, trot him out there and get younger.

Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein.

Joe ThEEsman

by SB Six on Jun 9, 2009 5:52 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Buckle up because we are throwing everything out there this year.

I do agree with you though. We seem a little slow on the trigger when it comes to new guys.

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the goverment from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.

by squidlo97 on Jun 9, 2009 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just Curious..

How does Pacman’s number look for last year? Lot of folks here say that he was our best corner when he was on the field, it would be nice to see his numbers as well. Nice work though Raf…

by thejanusman on Jun 9, 2009 6:56 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

he wasn't . His YPA was better than Henry and Newman's

but he got worse as the year went on.

He was not a smart football player. Tried to jump a lot of routes. Blew a lot of assignments.
Some teams ripped him to pieces. Chad Ocho-whatever his name is turned him inside out.
There were several times when the rest of the team is playing zone and he’s playing man.

I don’t trust him. The key has been getting rid of stupid. And I’ve seen enough to know that Pacman
Jones is a stupid football player.

by Rafael Vela on Jun 9, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

Let’s see … Jerry Jones gives you one more last chance to make it, even assigns a private security guard to keep you out of trouble, and you start a fight with the security guard in a nightclub restroom.

Stuck on stupid, there’s your trouble.

Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.

by OskieOskie on Jun 9, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wonder if...

the scouts and personnel people actually look at these metrics. Numbers don’t lie, but they also don’t tell the whole story.

And Raf, what “bigger questions” do Newman and Hamlin have to answer? That their skills aren’t declining? If past is prologue, I think we probably know what we are getting from both of them.

by Boundforbeach on Jun 9, 2009 7:14 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I never liked the Henry signing back in 2005 from day one

He just always seemed a step too slow, but as Campo said, he was somewhat of a playmaker.

Time for the youngins to step up and become the future at the position.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jun 9, 2009 7:52 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Someone Help me Here

I dogged Jenkins, maybe too much, for his obvious disdain for contact. Then again, watching that Derrick Ward run makes my blood boil still.

I know Jenkins has great potential, but does anyone believe he outplayed Scandrick in any way last season? I know the slot corner is different, but Scandricks closing speed and ball-hawking seemed almost unreal for a 4th round rookie last year, and Jenkins was pedestrian at best. Point being, why hasn’t Scandrick ever been mentioned for the starting CB position opposite Newman?

In reference to Jenkins, it’s like Big Bill said, “Potential means you havnt done sh*t”, and I’m still not sold on Jenkins having the toughness to be an every down corner.

by GhostofGaryHogeboom on Jun 9, 2009 8:00 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Scandrick can be the starting CB opposite Newman

I’m on record from day one last off season in saying that when it’s all said and done, Scandrick will end up being a better pro CB than Jenkins.

I definitely can see him beating out Jenkins this summer in camp and when the Cowboys go to their nickel packages, Jenkins will come in to play opposite Newman and Scandrick will go to the slot. just like Newman used to do.

In reality, however, it doesn’t matter who actually starts because the nickel or slot CB is just as valuable as the so called starting CBs in today’s NFL. If you don’t have a legit 3rd CB, you’re pass defense will suffer, bottom line.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jun 9, 2009 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

I am just glad to see that the Cowboys have 3 corners who they think are starting material. Its been awhile since I felt this optimistic about our secondary (of course, they still have to go out and prove it).

There are lots of people that go to church on Sundays to get in touch with God. Personally, my church is on Sunday as well, it just happens to involve watching the Dallas Cowboys.

by Cowboyfan729 on Jun 9, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree...

Wonder what the stats are for the percentage of the defensive snaps run with 3 corners on the field? I bet it’s higher than you’d think.

Garrett needs to get a clue!

by BulletBob on Jun 9, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Toughness?

Kind of tough to judge a guys toughness from one year. He had a horrible game agains the Giants(even though he did have a TD) but the rest of the year he was pretty solid.

it was weird, I... I mean you probably didn't hear about it because I went under the name of Mike Honcho. But I just wanted you to know that. If you can hear me, if it got into your brain somehow. That I spread my buttcheeks as Mike Honcho.

by AirforceBat on Jun 9, 2009 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I swear on saw a banana peel on that Ward run under Jenkins’ foot, because when he was drafted he was known as being a physical corner much like A.Henry.

"Grow where you are planted."

by Aaron Novinger on Jun 9, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Umm, my comments disappeared.

Had a good “banana peel” joke in there too!

"Grow where you are planted."

by Aaron Novinger on Jun 9, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Have you been reading any articles that have covered the two corners?

The early word is that both are competing for starting time opposite of Newman; it has not been made an official annoucement but interviews from both players are talking like it is not set that Jenkins will be the starter. I think the decision will be made in TC; but Jenkins may have a small edge because they like scandrick in the slot. At the same time it could end up with scandrick and newman playing the slot and alternating opposite jenkins.

Go to this site to see an interview of both corners:

http://dcfanatic.com/2009/06/08/the-score-talks-jenkins-and-scandrick.aspx

Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!

by cowboy78 on Jun 9, 2009 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree

Scandrick could end up winning the starting position and just move to the slot in nickel packages and have Jenkins play opposite Newman.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jun 9, 2009 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

Everything I’d seen to this point had Jenkins automatically slotted as starter, and that bugged me.

by GhostofGaryHogeboom on Jun 9, 2009 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It seems to me your basing your opinion on 1 play.

First off, we need to completely do away with the notion of starter. It would be better to think in terms of specialization. Scandrick can play corner with anyone any where. Where he is most valuble on this team is in the slot. Its a tough ass job that requires chasing guys all over and that can be taxing.
 Secondly, teams like to have at least one big corner if possible for matchups. Irvin, keyshawn, RW, to name a few are guys that didnt run away from you but rather overpowered you. its a good thing to have a big guy out there.
Thirdly, Scandrick needs to play the slot and back up Newman.(or compete with Newman) Newman in my opinion is the guy most likely to miss playing time. Playing and practicing on one side and then being switched to other side mid season is not the best of planning. Though Scandrick plays both side frequently in the slot and there might not be much adjustment it just seems smarter for him to back up Newman and maybe a bigger guy like Ball to back up Jenkins.
I dont know what it is with some fans but taking a play or 2(or game) and uses that as a snapshot of their season is short sighted and unfair. Newman had a hernia and Moss ate him up. He gets surgery and then eats up Moss in the next game. Nope Newman suck the first time so he sucked all year.
Jenkins didnt tackle Ward so he has a distain for contact and probably doesnt have the toughness for every down.WTF?!
It was the rookie season for both and Scandrick came on quicker.(he also got more game time) Jenkins struggled early but was playing very good at the end of the season. We nailed both picks. Both should be staters for the next 7-8 years. We seemed to be splitting hairs with these 2 just so somebody can massage their ego over who they thought would be better in preseason.

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the goverment from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.

by squidlo97 on Jun 9, 2009 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with most of what you're saying...

What I meant by “every down” was does he have what it takes to put his nose into the action on an obvious running down? I’m not giving up on Jenkins, but there was more than that one play to reinforce my point. He was a rookie who everyone admits took things for granted because he was a 1st rounder, and I can’t blame him for being a little slow on the learning curve compared to Scandrick, but It bugged the heck out of me that everything I’d read (before the DC Fanatic video I just saw) anointed him above Scandrick because he was a 1st rounder.

I agree we’ve potentially nailed both picks, I just saw a lot more out of Scandrick last year than Jenkins.

by GhostofGaryHogeboom on Jun 9, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That wasn't the only time that Jenkins avoided contact.

And I’m not sure if I understand what you are saying about a bigger corner. Scandrick is 5’10, 192, and Jenkins is 5’10, 190. If Scandrick outplays him, why would he get less playing time?

 I haven’t studied the game tapes, but I watched the second Redskins game on NFL Network and it seemed like they were just throwing it to whomever Jenkins was covering as a default.

I think they are both good, young players and the key will be who has improved more this offseason, but based on last year Scandrick was the better player due to being more flexible, more willing to take on contact, and faster.

by Baked Potato Soup on Jun 11, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My bad. I thought Scandrick was on the short side of 5;10 and Jenkinsa was on the short side of 6.

I also got that impression of looking at them that Jenkins had a bigger build and could hold a little more weight easily. We reallty are in great shape fro the future with these guys.

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the goverment from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.

by squidlo97 on Jun 13, 2009 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not as big a deal for me

I know toughness sounds great, but I prioritize cover ability in my CBs well above the ability to support in run defense. Deion Sanders is the much-cited example, obviously.

I believe our front 7 and safeties are going to make or break our run defense, and that our much-maligned pass defense which has struggled so mightily in the past 4-5 years would benefit more from CBs who can cover than CBs who can stuff a 210+ pound RB.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Jun 9, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wish I remembered

who was so adamant against Flowers being a horrible corner to draft last year.

it was weird, I... I mean you probably didn't hear about it because I went under the name of Mike Honcho. But I just wanted you to know that. If you can hear me, if it got into your brain somehow. That I spread my buttcheeks as Mike Honcho.

by AirforceBat on Jun 9, 2009 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I had heard on the NFL channel that he really had a good year and I to was trying to remember who was touting him and who was bashing him.

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the goverment from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.

by squidlo97 on Jun 9, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've to raise my hand and Cash_BSR should also

I had a lot of discussions with him regarding Flowers, especially comparing him to Cason.

They both played well, but Flowers was special.

I’m glad, knew that he was capable.

Viva México! Go Cowboys!

by Chandus on Jun 9, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Was it Cash

that was just so against him.. there was somebody that was just bashing the hell out of him.

I know I really liked him at V. Tech.

it was weird, I... I mean you probably didn't hear about it because I went under the name of Mike Honcho. But I just wanted you to know that. If you can hear me, if it got into your brain somehow. That I spread my buttcheeks as Mike Honcho.

by AirforceBat on Jun 9, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Most of my discussion was with Cash, yeah

I think that somebody else backed him but was less vocal.

That had a lot to do with the most overrated measurable, the 40 time, and how Flowers had an basement average time in it. The guy responded with great times in the shuttle and cone drills, but the damage to his image was done.

Now, it’s obvious that he didn’t needed a 4.3 time, right now he’s the best of his year CB bunch.

Viva México! Go Cowboys!

by Chandus on Jun 9, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

McClevin was good too.

it was weird, I... I mean you probably didn't hear about it because I went under the name of Mike Honcho. But I just wanted you to know that. If you can hear me, if it got into your brain somehow. That I spread my buttcheeks as Mike Honcho.

by AirforceBat on Jun 10, 2009 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Chiefs have drafting well lately

They’re going to break out sooner than later, like the Cardinals.

by ym on Jun 9, 2009 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe but they need some stars on offense

Larry Johnson is cool but the Cardinals only got to where there were with the big plays of Larry Fitzgerald. I wouldn’t say the Cardinals arrived either, new OC, new DC, they’re only marginally favorites to win the NFC West

by AustonianAggie on Jun 9, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd say the still need a pass rusher.

You can’t win in the NFL if you produce 10 sacks in a season.

it was weird, I... I mean you probably didn't hear about it because I went under the name of Mike Honcho. But I just wanted you to know that. If you can hear me, if it got into your brain somehow. That I spread my buttcheeks as Mike Honcho.

by AirforceBat on Jun 9, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

they may not have a bonafide pass rusher

but they got to the qb realy really fast last year in nearly ever significant pre-november and playoff game they played.

by foyesboys on Jun 11, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was talking about the Chiefs

it was weird, I... I mean you probably didn't hear about it because I went under the name of Mike Honcho. But I just wanted you to know that. If you can hear me, if it got into your brain somehow. That I spread my buttcheeks as Mike Honcho.

by AirforceBat on Jun 11, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How does Joyner factor in total attempts against?

I think that part of being a shutdown corner is also having your guy covered to the point that they don’t throw to him very often. Obviously it’s super important to be successful when they do throw, but if your ypa is say 7 yards, but they only target you 45 times all season, that’s better than 6.5 ypa and they target you 95 times.

by Baked Potato Soup on Jun 11, 2009 9:30 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the link to a discount copy of SF09

Any fantasy geek is dying to get his hands on OL and Run Game statistical breakdowns ASAP.

by Urinal Mint on Jun 11, 2009 3:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Man...

I haven’t seen you in forever.

it was weird, I... I mean you probably didn't hear about it because I went under the name of Mike Honcho. But I just wanted you to know that. If you can hear me, if it got into your brain somehow. That I spread my buttcheeks as Mike Honcho.

by AirforceBat on Jun 11, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unlike most, I have an offseason… and it’s consumed by golf. Wake me up when these guys start hitting eachother in late July.

by Urinal Mint on Jun 11, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha

Will do.

it was weird, I... I mean you probably didn't hear about it because I went under the name of Mike Honcho. But I just wanted you to know that. If you can hear me, if it got into your brain somehow. That I spread my buttcheeks as Mike Honcho.

by AirforceBat on Jun 11, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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