Pro Romo Argument
by DC_fan on Jul 15, 2009 10:15 AM CDT
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I was checking my usual morning blog stops today when I came across an article written by Bob Sturm who is a local radio personality here in Dallas on 1310 The Ticket. The article is one of the most succinct, well written articles on the great Romo debate. I encourage everyone to check it out as it provides some telling stats and makes a clear argument on why Romo is one of the top 6-7 QB's in the league, though admitting that 2009 is a pivotal season in Romo's carrer as our QB.
Here's an excerpt from the article:
He is no longer a kid. They made adjustments to fit him. It is now a year for make-or-break. If he falls on his face in 2009, the Cowboys would be foolish to consider QB a position of strength.
But, it appears many in the public - yes, even Dallas fans - already have ruled him “not the guy”. He won’t ever win the big one, right? You don’t know he won’t anymore than I know he will.
I realize I have put my eggs in the Romo basket, and yes, I cringe when he appears to be a bit too “Hollywood” for my taste. But, I would like to say that I believe Tony Romo is the real deal, and while he may be a far cry from Mr. Staubach and Mr. Aikman, I would also say he is a far cry in the other direction from Quincy, Bledsoe, Vinny, Hutchinson, Henson, etc.
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Good article
One thing about Sturm – he does his homework.
Yes, Bob does his homework. Yes, I believe after this season Tony will be thought of as one of the top 3 or 4 QBs. But the player who will really be known after this season is the “Cat”. Which is hard to believe since I did not want them to draft him but Chris Johnson instead.
My favorite semi pro teams are the Eagles and Giants
by RealAlbertEinstein on Jul 15, 2009 11:15 AM CDT reply actions
I was lobbying for Johnson too
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
outstanding article
Finally someone is standing up to all the Romo haters, job well done Mr Sturm.
In Romo we Trust
Yeah
I agree. Not everybody can be as cool as ice. These guys are young guys with a lot of money and a lot of attention. Of course they’re going to embarass their fans from time to time. But that’s part of the deal bein’ a fan. That’s why so many people hate us right now too. As Cowboy fans, we’ve been a pretty cocky fanbase for the last 15 years. And rightly so. But hopefully this year our team will not only kick some ass but also bring back some of the balls our reputation has been missing. I think Romo does real well this year. No matter how athletic Owens is, I think everyone will be able to think clearer and breathe easier with that dickhead gone. Romo needs some encouragement from his hometown fans. I support him.
Great article
Tony Romo will succeed this year if he can get good offensive line production. If the line blocks well, the sky is the limit. Just look at his good games, when he has time he will pick you apart. He is good at finding the open receiver. You add Bennettt to mix and he has another excellent end zone option. Another great option is the screen pass to Felix Jones. Those are all good weapons; however the offensive line has to play WELL!!
Juan Ramirez
I wouldn't say any
I can think of quite of few who stink no matter how much time they get.
In Romo we Trust
you're kidding, right?
Carr spent more time on his bottom than any QB I can remember
Tar Heels = National Champs in Basketball ... #1 in Baseball ... Top 10 this year in Football?
that isn't because he didn't have time
it because he held on to the ball way too long.
In Romo we Trust
no, i'm not kidding
carr sucks outloud. that’s why he stinks no matter how much time he gets. David Carr sux
by mutombo4life on Jul 21, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Yea but Romo and our offense seem to be extra dangerous
his ridiculous ypa justifies that. Will that still be the case without TO? we’ll see.
Of course not!
T.O. opened up a lot of space for other skill players.
This year, Dallas will have to execute the ground game much better than in recent years in order to get good production out of the offense.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
i don't necessarily agree
First, with Austin hurt much of the year and RW II hurt and still receiving major minutes, we didn’t have the threats we will have this year. Bennet will hopefully be better. Romo seemed to have a great connection with crayton in 07 that was sidetracked because he spent so much time under pressure in 08 and looked almost exclusively for WItten and TO.
It will depend however on Romo improving, not focusing too much on one player when things aren’t going well, and spreading the ball around. I thought he kinda took a step back in that regard in 08. Theres no saying he won’t be great at that again in 09 with a healthy oline and TO not screaming in his face.
But your points valid lol. We’ll have to wait and see.
You may be right
about Romo looking for two guys. But I think that might also have to do with not enough of the scheme providing outlet passing options. If Garrett and Romo are prepared for line break downs, the whole team will benefit next season.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
You assume too much
First, you assume Austin can not only step up, but that he can shake his injury bug. Neither of those is in evidence.
Next, you assume RW will be good. Also, not sure yet.
I hope you’re right, but it’s unlikely all of that will come true.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Miles is a good point
but Williams is not much of an assumption, really, Until his partial season with the Cowboys most of the league thought of him as they do Boldin today. I am really not seeing the question mark with him, except for Garrett to take advanage of his skill set which is arguably different from TO’s.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
You give TO to much credit.
If Im not mistaken ypa stands for yard per attempt. If that the case then TO didnt help the cause when you take his attempts and factor in his drops he might actully hurt your numbers. We wont truely know til Dec.
A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. Gen. George Patton
I'll take the other side. Of course!
Witten caught almost as many deep balls as he did short ones. Miles is a burner. RW has sub-4.4 speed. Felix will turn dump-off passes into 70 yarders. All of the above run better patterns and drop fewer balls.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
What Witten was able to do was a function of the open seams...
He’ll get keyed on this year during obvious passing situations.
It will be up to RW (who isn’t sub 4.4), Crayon and Austin to see what they can do.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
actually RW did run a sub 4.4 at the combine
The guy is a lot faster than what most fans think. I hope teams do key on Witten because that means our WRs will face single coverage as will our backs and Bennett.
In Romo we Trust
Terry speaks the truth as always
Roy Williams 40 time: 4.37 & 4.42 (Combine), 4.36 (Pro Day)
by One.Cool.Customer on Jul 16, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Holy cow!
I never knew that. Pretty impressive for a tall guy. Did Keyshawn run a sub 5?
All eyes on Free.
by Aaron Novinger on Jul 16, 2009 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions
That was the Combine!
He is older, bigger and slower now.
It’s like saying Marvin Harrison has 4.4 speed. Well, he does, if you can time travel…
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
RW is still in his prime
He’s not Marvin Harrison.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
that's not true at all
First of all, older? You got to be kidding me Did you ever play sports as an adult?? An athlete is in their prime at 25-26 and can easily ran as fast or faster at 26 as he can at 22.
He’s certainly not any bigger now, he’s checking in at 212-215 for camp, that was his playing weight at Texas.
Marvin Harrison is 36, I guarantee he could run at least a 4.4 when he was 26.
In Romo we Trust
I still play...
and one thing I know is this; you don’t get faster when you leave college and go play professional football. What you do get is injured, older and slower.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Not me
I’m getting better every day.
The secret is fiber.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
If your not capable of making yourself faster after college then why exactly do they go to
combine camps before the draft.
Your capable of getting faster til about 28 give or take. Your capable of getting stronger til about 40 give or take a year.
A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. Gen. George Patton
I play different sports, and my speed changes even within the season...
Drills like speed-jump-rope improve your quick-twitch in the calf muscles, and DEFINITELY change your quickness and speed. Every individual has their limitations, but to say you can’t increase your speed is way off. I also had a college coach that studied this discipline, and had us sprinting on roads that were slightly down-hill… you either increased your speed or fell on your face.
Tar Heels = National Champs in Basketball ... #1 in Baseball ... Top 10 this year in Football?
Right
But I don’t think teams will suddenly wake up to Witten. RW will draw double coverage so Witten will still have his spots.
And if they single up RW, he’ll get open. He’s not Crayton. RW is fast, runs better patterns than TO and has much better hands. He can be relied on to fight for the jump ball, so they’ll be able to take some chances like Eli could with Plax and Warner with Fitz of just throwing up the ball for grabs.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
But RW doesn't get great separation
like you-know-who did on deeper routes with his patented hip fakes.
So it will be interesting to see how Tony fits the ball in tighter spaces.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
You big dummy.
He ran 4.4 at the combine seven years ago. Obviously, he can get separation deep. Actual game performances be damned.
You’re right on, though. As I’ve said before, until I see it work consistently over a number of games, I’m going to be squeamish every time Romo tries to get the ball in a tight space to Roy Williams. Romo’s had very weird accuracy issues at times and fair or not, Williams’ dedication to honing his craft has been questioned.
I chuckled @ “You big dummy”
Everything's looking up, Milhouse!
by accidental innuendo on Jul 18, 2009 2:37 AM CDT up reply actions
I think his accuracy issues showed up last year when he practiced delivering the
ball from different arm positions. I remember him talking about that last year and stating it scared me because you should F with a pitchers delivery motion.
A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. Gen. George Patton
I'll admit
I don’t have coaches’ tape on WIlliams, but I’m guessing that with the yards he’s amassed in the NFL he is somehow getting separation. Call it a hunch.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Terence Newman...
… became the fastest player on the roster when he was drafted.
Right now, players argue which guy is faster, Newman or Scandrick? Newman’s age? We’re comparing a 22 year old with one on his 30s?
There’re also many examples of guys running slow times in the 40 and they seemed to be faster, or much faster, in the NFL… In their case, what happened? They became younger?
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
If you really think Roy Williams is a legitimate and feared deep threat, I got nothing for you.
I won’t try to convince you otherwise.
The Newman/Scandrick stuff is kind of irrelevant to my point. But since you brought it up, these guys always have the best trainers and are always honing their training regimens or at least that’s the case with a guy like Newman who as you pointed out is in his 30s but as fast as he’s ever been.
My point was there are tons of (even a lot of highly touted guys) who ran impressive blazing fast 40-times at their scouting combines but failed to ever be able to get separation deep down the field in the NFL. I’m in no way suggesting Roy is a bust but I’m sure there are nutballs out there somewhere who would try and suggest that past busts were capable deep threats that just weren’t utilized properly by pulling fancy 40 times out of their fuzzy wuzzy stinkhole. All in the name of defending their pets.
Even on Roy’s really long TD play against the Eagles in ‘07, he had to swat away an Eagle defender or two before he broke away. Actually, it was very much like Irvin’s famous long TD catch-and-run against the jackass trash-talking Cardinals corner in 1992.
In Roy’s career year, he did actually lead the league in receptions of 20-plus yards with 24 but only 3 of those covered longer than 40 yards. That’s somewhat telling to me. Kind of Keyshawn-ish, which is fine. Really, it doesn’t matter to me where Roy scores from on the field. If he is properly utilized as a lethal red zone weapon, that would be very valuable. But using old 40-times to suggest he is going to be the type of homerun hitter T.O. was is reaching just a wee tad bit.
Uh, I agree with your reasoning...
But really, if you’re going to say something like this:
Why rely on a guy’s actual performance on the field……When you have old combine numbers?
And after we’ve read comments like this:
and one thing I know is this; you don’t get faster when you leave college and go play professional football.
I’m kind of moved to write something like what I wrote as an answer to the first stated quote.
And 2nd, what’s Roy Williams capable of doing? He’s capable of playing the possesion receiver position, ala Keyshawn, but he’s also capable of being fast enough to be a deep threat.
What’s wrong with that?
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
Yes, but it should've been clear I was always referring to Roy Williams....
….Or more specifically to receivers and not corners. I do and always will think it’s silly to suggest a guy is a great deep threat because of old 40-times; especially if he’s went half his career and never been a homerun-hitter.
There’s not a thing wrong with Williams being Keyshawn. I’ve stated multiple times that given the other weapons you don’t need 80 receptions or a 1,000 yards out of him. I was just mainly agreeing with 5Blings’ point that Williams won’t be able to provide the homeruns T.O.ld did no matter what his 40-time was or is.
Dude played for Detroit
Other than the one season with Kitna (where he WAS a deep threat), he had no one that could throw the ball that far.
Further, the O-Line couldn’t stop a Pee Wee football defense…there was never any time to get long.
Lastly, RW was playing the Y receiver last year (whose routes are often secondary). This year he’ll be back to his familiar X receiver role (t.o.’s).
It's not personal, it's just business
SHOULD be dangerous
there is no reason to not be dangerous
the cowboys MUST spread the ball around and utilize what they have
not many teams have the depth at all positions like we do. our weakest is considered the WR position.
with the exception of the secondary (and not a full exception) …. many of the problems came in the form of injury. we just HOPE that its not gonna hit us that hard in as many aspects next year (WR, DBs, QB, RB, OL).
The best example of this is Peyton Manning
Look at his performances against the Pats … they were able to put pressure on him, and it worked. The opposite is also true, when Manning has time, he’s deadly.
Same can be said for both Romo and Tom Brady during the Giants’ SuperBowl run in January 08 … great QBs with enough weapons but made to look bad by all the pressure the Giants were bringing.
Tar Heels = National Champs in Basketball ... #1 in Baseball ... Top 10 this year in Football?
Getting deep isnt just about speed, its about route running.
Sell a short route, have him plant and close his hips, and see ya wouldnt wont to be ya. If all you got is speed then they just give a bigger cushion.
A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. Gen. George Patton
This is a great point, especially considering his size and body control. If he can even get just a step on a faster cornerback using crisp routes, he will give Tony a spot to throw to with how big he is and how skilled he is at body control with regards to those fade type catches.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Jul 18, 2009 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions
+1 That also describes Fitzgerald to a Tee.
His(Fitz) route running also reminds me of Rice. Its clean, crisp, and precise in its execution. Then you throw in his strength, body position and ability to catch the ball at its highest point.
Sorry didnt mean to get off point but he popped into my head. Fitz really isnt the fastest guy but he can get behind anyone much Like Rice could.
A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. Gen. George Patton
This may be one of the harder things for Tony to do
is just throw it up there and have confidence that Williams will out-fight the coverage and come down with the ball.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Why?
He did it with t.o.
Problem was that t.o. wouldn’t fight for the ball in traffic. It was exceedingly frustrating watching a contested ball getting picked with t.o. just waiting (and hoping, I guess) for the DB to miss so that he could trot into the end zone instead of making a play on the bal.
The Fitz comparison above is dead on.
It's not personal, it's just business
That's exactly what I mean
It’s not something Owens could be relied upon to do, and until Bennett they really had no “jump ball” guy on the team. So it’s a relatively new thing for Romo. Not a bad thing, just different – throw it up kowing your guy was going to win the jump most of the time.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Romo spent 2 training camps...
… With Keyshawn at WR…
How many times he had the luxury of throwing the ball to Keyshawn against starters would be a good question…
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
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