Cowboys' Three-Headed RB Monster: Best In The Business?
Marion Barber, Felix Jones, and Tashard Choice. Any offensive coordinator would be elated to have such an outstanding trio of backs at their disposal. As Cowboy fans it is difficult to step away from our slightly slanted vision, as we are quick to adorn the Cowboys three-headed monster the best in the business. All biases aside, how does the Cowboys backfield stack up against the rest of the league? Sure, there are quite a few remarkable one-two punches, but can anybody go three deep as well as the ‘Boys can? Let's take a look at some of the more potent projected backfields around the league.
New England Patriots - Fred Taylor, Sammy Morris, Laurence Maroney - It is my guess that Kevin Faulk will be the odd man out in an extremely talented Patriots backfield. In my opinion, Fred Taylor has been on of the league’s most underrated backs for the better part of his career. I know it doesn’t seem like it, but Fred Taylor, barring injury will hurdle the 12,000 yard mark this season. That’s a heck of an achievement, and Taylor still looks to have quite a bit in the tank. Sammy Morris is steady, and Laurence Maroney is a dynamic talent when healthy. While Taylor vs. Barber is probably a push, neither Sammy Morris or Laurence Maroney is the game-changing homerun threat that Felix Jones is for the ‘Boys. Advantage: Cowboys New York Jets - Thomas Jones, Leon Washington, Shonn Greene - The Jets did not get into this conversation until they solidified their backfield depth by selecting Iowa standout Shonn Greene with the first pick of the 3rd round of this year’s draft. Thomas Jones is a Pro Bowler, and Leon Washington is a speedy playmaker, not at all dissimilar to the Cowboys’ Felix Jones. Washington and Jones are proven NFL commodities, but Greene, who at times looked sluggish as a Hawkeye runner must still prove that he can be effective against the speed of the NFL game. Advantage: Cowboys
Baltimore Ravens - LeRon McClain, Ray Rice, Willis McGahee - The Ravens have an interesting mix at running back. They have the 260 lb. LeRon McClain, who will be listed as a fullback this season, but will likely still see a substantial chunk of the carries. In complete contrast, the Ravens also have the diminutive (5’8") Ray Rice, and the well rounded but unspectacular Willis McGahee. All three of these backs are good, buy I personally wouldn’t put any of them ahead of Marion Barber or Felix Jones.
Advantage: Cowboys
Tennessee Titans - Lendale White, Chris Johnson, Javon Ringer - Assuming Ringer is able to beat out former second round pick Chris Henry, the Titans backfield looks eerily similar the Dallas’. Lendale White is the bruiser that Marion Barber is. Chris Johnson is the Titans' slightly faster version of Felix Jones. Ringer is the well rounded, steady 3rd stringer that Tashard Choice is. In my opinion, Barber is a little better than White, but Johnson is a little bit better than Jones. Ringer and Choice should be on about the same plane.
Advantage: Push
Oakland Raiders - Darren McFadden, Michael Bush, Justin Fargas - I know it gets caught up in all of the madness that is the Oakland Raiders, but the team is absolutely loaded at running back. Darren McFadden played most of the season dinged up, but showed that he can be a terror when healthy. Fargas is a legit NFL lead back, and the 245 lb. Bush began to reveal his true potential when he ripped through a desperate Buccaneers defense for 177 yards in the season finale. The Raiders are as talented in the backfield as any team in the business.
Advantage: Raiders
New York Giants - Brandon Jacobs, Ahmad Bradshaw, Andre Brown - Even after losing Derrick Ward to the Buccaneers this offseason, the Giants still have a formidable threesome at running back. Though often injured, the 265-lb. Jacobs is still the NFL’s unstoppable force. He is simply too big to be brought down by one man, and you can almost hear him saying Fee…Fi…Fo…Fum as he drags linebackers into the second level. Bradshaw delivers some homerun ability, but is just short of electric. Andre Brown however, reminds me a lot of Marion Barber, and may be one of the steals of the draft. Still, I can’t give too much credit to unproven commodities.
Advantage: Cowboys
Carolina Panthers - DeAngelo Williams, Jonathan Stewart, Mike Goodson - In my eyes, Williams and Stewart comprise the leagues top duo at the running back position. If Goodson can show anything at all, I would hand the crown to Carolina. It took a while, but last season Williams showed that he was the dynamic, do-everything back that everyone expected him to be when the Panthers drafted him in the first round of the 2006 draft. Stewart is a joy to watch for any old school football fan. Stewart is every bit the violent, powerful runner that Marion Barber is, with a little more speed. Still, I can’t hand this one to Carolina before Goodson proves himself.
Advantage: Cowboys
Who knows whether or not the Cowboys backfield threesome is the league’s best? Who cares? The important thing is that they are undisputedly in the conversation. I am holding out hope that Romo-friendly is just Jerry Jones’ way of saying run-heavy. I know that given the weapons the Cowboys have on the perimeter, and the tendencies of the offensive coordinator, the Cowboys will probably throw the football often and deep. But with a backfield as talented as this, it would be a lot of fun to see the Cowboys pound teams into submission with the running game from time to time.
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I'm not convinced that Chris Johnson is better than Felix
But like Felix, he sure is a handful in space. I’ll have a better grasp on where they stand after a full healthy season out of em.
by sublimezg on Jul 16, 2009 2:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly! Love Felix's potential, but has to prove himself more durable.
I know he showed flashes of great things that could be, and many rookie players go down in their 1st year because they really were not in NFL condition, despite possessing outstanding abilities. I am in love with the vision of what Felix could do for or offence; but I am also tempered by the memories of Julius Jones, who showed some of the same kind of potential, but never really paned out to be the back we thought he was, or at least the one some of us thought he could be.
That being said there skill sets are somewhat different, as are the rolls they will be asked to play in the offence. Felix despite being listed as 2" taller and 4 lbs heavier than Julius seems more gazelle-like in his running style, probably possessing better vision, exceleration, and higher top end.
One can only hope that Felix takes a cue from Julius and becomes the workout warrior he became and gets his body into a condition better able to handle the stresses placed on it by the speed of the NFL game.
As for Choice, this guy would be my pick as an every down back. I think he showed he was probably a little quicker to the whole and to make his cuts than Barber. Know I don’t which of the two backs is faster, but I do know that to me Choice showed a better ability to get passed the line of scrimmage.
Barber, I have never been as high on this guy as a lot of people. I did prefer him over Julius, and I do agree he can be a bruiser, but when just faced with what I have seen between he and Choice, I have to say Choice is the Choice more often.
Key, here as in every position is health. Take Felix out of this back field again and well, it’s not really that impressive to me.
by bad knees on Jul 16, 2009 5:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Felix is gonna get his chance.
There’s no doubt that if Felix stays healthy he’s going to get more reps. He could be the starter by the season opener. And he’ll probably be amazing. His versatility is probably a little better than Chris Johnson too. Tashard is the best third back in the league IMO.
With Adrian Peterson and Chester Taylor, the Vikes have a pretty good one-two punch, but they’re a little short on a number three. Peterson alone has to include them in the conversation of best backfields in the league.
As far as the Cowboys trio, they have to prove it on the field for a whole season to be the best. I’m done annointing because we see what that bought us last year. The offensive line has a lot to do with this, so we have to wait and see. I’ll go with the Cowboys, but I want to see it on game day.
I can’t give an advantage to the Raiders because…well, they’re the Raiders.
Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein.
Joe ThEEsman
by SB Six on Jul 16, 2009 6:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As in
the Raiders could screw up a wet dream? I agree.
This is a great list because I didn’t realize how many other talented trios are out there. But I’ll take Dallas’. These kids can flat perform.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jul 16, 2009 7:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
bad knees?
You should change your name to “bad spelling”…
by Damnsammit on Jul 16, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Geeze
Knees admitted a long time ago that he doesn’t spell well. I’d rather he post with mistakes than not at all. It’s not like he’s writing in Chinese. I can make it out just fine and it beats the heck out of the “UR4 my tm” posts.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jul 16, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I for one appreciate Knees’ contributions. He is articulate and usually delivers well thought-out arguments, regardless of the occasional spelling mistake.
by One.Cool.Customer on Jul 16, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh...
It’s hard for me to take a post seriously when they use “know” instead of “now”.
by Damnsammit on Jul 17, 2009 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I look at the content instead of the package
there are a lot of articulate and righteous-spelling bloggers who can’t think their way out of a paper bag. prefer mistakes of spelling over an inability to think clearly.
Don’t take this wrong, because it’s not meant to be insulting or confrontational, but it has always been my impression that correcting grammatical erors or pointing out spelling mistakes is a little outside blogging etiquette. Just a perspective; I could be wrong.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jul 17, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blogger ettiquette?
I didn’t know there was such a thing! Anyways, I’m just an A-hole for the most part, so take every disparging thing I say with a grain of salt.
I don’t mean any harm, but I just speak my mind and try to rile people up whenever I can :)
And I agree with the fact that content is more important, but it’s difficult to convey a point when 20% of the words are misspelled. He has decent punctuation so there are no arguments there. I just wanted to be an ass for no reason….
by Damnsammit on Jul 17, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I take KNOW offense to grammatical critique.
I’m too old to sweat that kind of stuff. If that’s the only arguement against my posts, well then they/you must have agreed with it despite not being able to read it!
My spell check won’t correct a word, if it is a word!
Thanks for the back up guys! LOL
by bad knees on Jul 17, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I do agree with your post...
I just had a hard time reading it. My brain and eyes hurt afterwards and I wanted to be a pompous prick about it. Way to ruin my fun, old man! =P
(I look forward to reading your thoughts in the future, even if they are jumbled around)
by Damnsammit on Jul 20, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
No way is Johnson better than the Cat as a total RB. The only thing Johnson has over Felix is that he’s slightly faster but the Cat is better in all other respects.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jul 16, 2009 7:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not that I can say yes or no one way or another...
But you have no basis on that.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Jul 16, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes I do, it's called my eye sight
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jul 16, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately, it seems completely blinded by love sometimes.
I read no newspaper but Ritchies, and in that chiefly the advertisements, For they contain the only truths to be relied upon in a newspaper. Thomas Jefferson.
by squidlo97 on Jul 16, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lets take a vote.
I read no newspaper but Ritchies, and in that chiefly the advertisements, For they contain the only truths to be relied upon in a newspaper. Thomas Jefferson.
by squidlo97 on Jul 16, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guarantee
I don’t love the Cowboys anymore than the rest of you. Am I biased?? Absolutely, 99% of all fans are.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jul 16, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe that, but most of us can take a step back
and subjectively assess our team. Your hardcore.
I read no newspaper but Ritchies, and in that chiefly the advertisements, For they contain the only truths to be relied upon in a newspaper. Thomas Jefferson.
by squidlo97 on Jul 16, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can admit when they suck
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jul 17, 2009 7:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What in your eyesight about...
Felix Jones, makes you think that he’s a better complete back than Chris Johnson. I’ve watched them both and Chris Johnson is pretty damn complete to me.
He’s not a guy that you want to be running between the tackles every down, but he can, just like Felix.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Jul 16, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
which is surprising because during the draft...
Johnson was pretty much just considered a speed back. The guy killed me in fantasy last year!
All eyes on Free.
by Aaron Novinger on Jul 17, 2009 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Felix is a much better inside runner than Johnson
it’s not even close.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jul 17, 2009 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think you can say that honestly......
Did you not see the Titans/Ravens playoff game? Johnson was killing the Ravens until he got hurt. I hope your right about Felix, but you can’t honestly say that he is better because he didn’t play nearly as much as Johnson last year. He has potential but he hasn’t proved it yet. Give him a full season and then maybe you can say that.
by texstar on Jul 17, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Felix played enough for me to see
what kind of ability he has and how it compares to other backs so I stand beside my opinion and yes I can say it honestly.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jul 17, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Julius Jones played 8 games his first year and lit it up.
Turns out, despite his being named the heir apparent to Emmitt(franchise back), he wasnt even worth resigning.
I also just dont want to jinx Felix.
A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. Gen. George Patton
by squidlo97 on Jul 17, 2009 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is what I mean by hard core.
You speak in absolute truths without enough evidence to back it up. Johnson played all season and was a leading rusher and I guarantee he didnt get all of his yards from a pitch out.
This is a Cowboy blog where we love Felix but the rest of us are optimistic your absolute. Opinions are’nt absolute.
Just the facts, Jack.
A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. Gen. George Patton
by squidlo97 on Jul 17, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
4 preseason games
and 6 regular season games is plenty enough evidence for me and I didn’t notice in Grizz’s community behavioral guide any prohibition about speaking in absolutes.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jul 17, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
then he’s the best damn outside runner of all time. Because he had over 1200 rushing yards and they all came to the outside with a team that every defense knew was basiclly running the ball.
The thing is, I don’t even really care that much. Besides fantasy purposes, Chris Johnson is just another running back to me.
I just.. aaaaah screw it.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Jul 17, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why bother right? It's hopeless........
On another subject, I was re-watching the Giants/Vikings game the other day on NFL Network. In the first half, A.P. was pretty much contained. However, when they put in Chester Taylor, he was tearing them up. Interesting how Taylor could be a starter on a lot of teams but not the Vikings. Just goes to show why it’s always good to have the 1-2 punch.
by texstar on Jul 17, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chester is good.
But he’s probably best suited as a 3rd down back. Even teams with “1 back” systems, I think need some kind of relief on third downs just because of skill sets.
LT2 might be one of the last of his kind.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Jul 17, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, agreed......
you can look at the Chargers btw. Michael Turner leaves and they plug in Sproles. He did pretty good too.
by texstar on Jul 17, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Sproles is gonna have a good year.
All eyes on Free.
by Aaron Novinger on Jul 17, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, and I always root for the little guy......
undersized by NFL standards, but he can produce for sure.
by texstar on Jul 17, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then you must be
all OVER Sproles. That dude’s smaller than Mini-me..
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jul 17, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's definitely small.......
but he did have some outstanding moments last year. Some people were even wondering if the Chargers would let Tomlinson go for the guy remember? What a lot of folks don’t remember/know is that Sproles was darn good at Kansas State.
by texstar on Jul 17, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the KSK site they call him "Pocket Darren" as
in he would fit in your pocket.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
by cowboy78 on Jul 17, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I agree
I love watching himi play. But man what a little guy…
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jul 17, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
AKA AirForceBat
Couldn’t do a come backer any sooner. I work for a living. erg.
Yeah, as AirForceBat your opinions have caught my attention on occasion. They were in line with my own many times. How come you changed your moniker? Anything Air Force gets my respect. I work on Kirtland myself.
I just get tired of hearing Chris Johnson’s name called so much when the Felix conversation comes up, you know. Not so much here, but it used to go on forever on DMN. It’s all good. We can have a healthy debate, and keep it cool.
Here’s to hoping Felix shreds Chris Johnson this year.
Peace out, bro.
Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein.
Joe ThEEsman
by SB Six on Jul 17, 2009 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's all good.
I hope you are right anyways and I’m perfectly happy with Felix Jones.
It could have been a debate over two guys named A and B and if there was no real evidence that B was better than A YET, I would have said the same thing even if was about two teams I had no support in.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Jul 18, 2009 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you'll recall the Ravens/Titans playoff game.........
the Ravens couldn’t stop Johnson in the first half with his speed and quickness. On the other hand, when he went down right before halftime, LenDale White came in. Because he’s slow as mollasses, they had no trouble shutting him down. The Ravens had no problem with White’s power game, but they did have trouble with quickness and speed which they lost at halftime. This excites me because I can see how Felix Jones/Choice can both be used along with Barber. I would compare Barber to LenDale White and Felix to Johnson.
by texstar on Jul 16, 2009 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
although I think MB3 is much better than White
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jul 16, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I knew this would happen
even before I posted about Felix/Chris Johnson, I knew people would defend Johnson. I’ve seen this on other Cowboy blogs, as well. There’s always someone coming to Johnson’s defense. I don’t get that. The guy is good, there’s no doubt about that, but why in the heck do Cowboys fans continually defend this guy? He’s not a Texas HS or college player. I don’t see Cowboys fans out there defending other non-Cowboy players, but with Johnson it’s as predictable as the Sun coming up.
I even understand the argument that Felix hasn’t proven he’s a better all-around player, but this goes deeper. It’s like Cowboys fans are mesmerized by this Chris Johnson. Give your own Felix Jones some love. What he was doing until he got hurt last year was pretty freaking amazing…and he didn’t even hardly get used. If this kid stays healthy for the whole season, he is going to own this town, and I for one, can’t wait.
Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein.
Joe ThEEsman
by SB Six on Jul 16, 2009 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Defense?
Who is coming to his defense?
I don’t think I’d want him more than Felix, hell I don’t even know if he’s going to be better than Felix.
I just think that opinions should have something behind them. It’s just not Chris Johnson, I’ve had the same argument with Terry over James Harrison and his ability to force fumbles.
“It’s all part of the system”. Bullcrap.
I love Dallas, but I give credit where credit is due.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Jul 16, 2009 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like I said.
I knew before I posted someone would come up and say what you said. I knew it. And you did it. Hey I don’t care. “Give credit, where credit is due.” Defend Chris Johnson on a Cowboy blog all you want. And also like I said, I understand the argument you made. I just find it odd that Cowboy fans keep making it.
Being a Cowboy fan, I’m sure you saw what Felix did in limited action last year. Well here’s my response to your Chris Johnson shout out. If Felix stays healthy this year, he may not have more rushing yards than Johnson simply because the Pokes have more options in the running game than the Titans, but he’ll catch more passes, return more kick offs, and have more all-purpose yards than anyone in the league…including Chris Johnson.
Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein.
Joe ThEEsman
by SB Six on Jul 17, 2009 6:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well said...the Cat is better
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jul 17, 2009 7:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that Johnson just provided a substantial body of work last year because he stayed healthy throughout the season to show his stuff.
The Titans, of course, are as much of a running team as anybody in the biz.
But really, I can’t imagine any Cowboys fan who would trade Johnson straight up for Felix. Felix is bigger (is squatier a word?) and more built like an NFL running back. I hope the coaches wouldn’t be afraid to start him just outta respect for MB3. For the Dallas RBs, being a “starter” is just a label. Barber should play less when the defense is fresh, and moreso when they’re worn down after chasing Felix, Tashard, and Romo all over the place.
All eyes on Free.
by Aaron Novinger on Jul 17, 2009 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you for saying all of that.
Did you miss the part where I said…
I don’t think I’d want him more than Felix, hell I don’t even know if he’s going to be better than Felix.
Defending someone and giving someone credit is totally different. I love Troy Aikman, but if I say Dan Marino was a better QB that isn’t defending him. That is just being objective.
I love Felix Jones, I was wanting Felix Jones before we drafted him and I was one of the biggest Chris Johnson naysayers on SBR. I’m just saying there isn’t one way that you can say Felix Jones right now as a running back is better. I think he WILL be, but right now there isn’t anything to say one way or another.
Is that fair enough?
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Jul 17, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a question.........
Is there some “Cowboys Bible” that I don’t know about? In this Bible it says that you don’t give credit to any player on any other team or to their accomplishments. All things pertaining to the Cowboys are superior-talent, accomplishments, etc.? Just wondering. I am a Cowboys fan but you always have to accept that there are great players that have played the game on other teams. If you find that Bible would you let me know because maybe I need to read it-LOL
by texstar on Jul 17, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
just for the record
I think Larry Fitzgerald is the best receiver in the league, hands down. Did I violate this bible you speak of??
I never once said CJ wasn’t good, just think Felix is better. How is that not giving credit to CJ?
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jul 17, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now that's funny Terry.......you may be banished though for admitting
that there are other great players on other teams.
by texstar on Jul 17, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ya know, I used to be a Cowboys homer as well. Not as much as you, but
somewhat of one. Having two teenage sons that are major NFL junkies, cured me. They will repeatedly make fun of you until you snap out of your overly-biased opinion. Once I got over my addiction, I found that I could enjoy all great players on other teams as well. Does it make you any less of a Cowboy fan? Absolutely not!!! Does it make you are better NFL fan? Yes, undoubtedly!! So, see there is hope for you as well if you succumb-LOL
by texstar on Jul 17, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I appreciate the other players in the league
much, much more than you could possibly know. Just because I have a bias towards Cowboys players, doesn’t mean I can’t enjoy other players in the league.
I don’t subscribe the the NFL Sunday Ticket just for the Cowboys games, I enjoy watching as many games as I can.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jul 20, 2009 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I love watching great players play great. Just not against us.
A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. Gen. George Patton
by squidlo97 on Jul 20, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well..
…sometimes I prefer it when great players play poorly against us!
by Damnsammit on Jul 20, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like watching
great players play great against us … and we kick their butts!
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
by OskieOskie on Jul 20, 2009 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like when great players
pound the crap out of the Eagles, Giants and Redskins. No THAT is fun.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jul 20, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No no no...
That isn’t what you said.
I think that Felix Jones, when it is all said and done will be better too, but that is not what you said.
No way is Johnson better than the Cat as a total RB. The only thing Johnson has over Felix is that he’s slightly faster but the Cat is better in all other respects.
You said that Felix is better in all other respects, but I haven’t see one basis in college or the pros that suggest that one is significantly better at one thing or another, besides Felix and kick returns.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Jul 17, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's exactly what I said
and I think CJ is a really good back, just think Felix is much better. If you don’t see it, thats fine, but IMO, he is.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jul 20, 2009 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh and one more thing....
I’ve been blogging on here and SBR for a while, mainly under Airforcebat.
I don’t think I deserve entitlement but don’t I have at least enough credibility to state an opinion on someone without being thrown the…
Defend Chris Johnson on a Cowboy blog all you want.
I’m a Dallas fan through thick and thin. I live breath and crap them on a daily basis and when I was in the military I would take the grief and defend them sometimes until I was blue in the face.
I think that I’ve shown that I know enough about them and care enough about them to have a backed up opinion on another player BTW that wasn’t saying one was better than the other.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Jul 17, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I dont like CJ the person or RB but he produced and he did it 16 regular games and playoffs. Thats a FACT. Im defending my position not CJ.
A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. Gen. George Patton
by squidlo97 on Jul 17, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we have to think first
that jones and choice, albeit early results looking good are still unproven. they have shown the potential, but haven’t done it consistatnly enough to be given such high praise. I know Choice went up against some very good defenses and did well, but even sproles in SD looked good in relief as is sometimes the case when an unkown quantity plays.
now, if we considered potential of the RBs then cowboys has a clear advantage. but Tenn has proven with two 1000 yard backs. chris johnson at this point is more proven than felix jones. both of the carolina back have shown more consistancy than our crop. stewart is as good if not better than barber. Drew is a proven quality back.
one other factor that must be taken into account is the value given to the starting, 2nd and 3rd back. I would put more emphasis on the first 2, with less emphasis on the 3rd player, as he won’t get as many touches and have opportunitites to impact.
this doesn’t mean I don’t think we have one of the best trio n the league, top 5 or even top 3 for sure. but jones and choice have to do it a second year as well as do it consistantly over a season.
by CowboysFanatic on Jul 16, 2009 7:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good post, especially the first sentence
The potential is really exciting but Dallas doesn’t have 1 back that has proven over the course of a full season that they deserve to be considered a top back in the league. I know you can argue for MBIII because he’s performed well as a closer but Jones and Choice have only a handful of carries between them.
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 16, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This one line alone made the whole post a classic
you can almost hear him saying Fee…Fi…Fo…Fum as he drags linebackers into the second level
Like knees, I have this idea now that Choice needs to be the every-down guy, with Barber and Felix as situational backs. I know that’s crazy but Coice really impressed me against some of the best defenses in football. I know Felix can play standard RB plays, but I’d like to see him on the field as a receiver even more. He could change the way defenses line up, he has that much ability.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jul 16, 2009 7:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yea
Barber brings so much to this offense as a situational back too. Great power, great receiver, pretty darn good pass blocker, and when he enters the game, the offense just gets this emotional lift from his style. I agree – i think we’d be better served with choice as the starter mixing some carries with felix, and barber in barber’s old role of getting like 40% of the carries mostly in 2 minute drill/goal line/fourth quarter situations.
by foyesboys on Jul 16, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's great about Barber is he specializes in certain situations.
You want him in on 3rd downs because he’s a devastating blocker and growing into a really good receiver. Of course, you want him in for short yardage situations. He also excels in those weird situations like when the offense is pinned back deep and they just need some breathing room from their own end zone.
All eyes on Free.
by Aaron Novinger on Jul 17, 2009 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not just that
but he doesn’t need a lot of reps to get his motor going. He hits the game running. Not many guys who can do that at the RB position.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jul 17, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, Choice as the starter makes the most sense.
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 16, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I second that, unfortunately for us the fans
MBIII is the one with the starter contract and he will be the starter. Teams cant afford to pay that much money to a back coming on certain situations only.
by dcfanz on Jul 16, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's probably true
There is a chance he could play his way into the job. But an outside chance.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jul 16, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You need 3 good backs...
..nowadays in the NFL. They take such a pounding that to get through the season you need to have some extra horses back there. I’m comfortable going into battle with our three, and like Carl, I hope Garrett uses them.
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
by Jim Vance on Jul 16, 2009 7:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Utilization
I have said this earlier…the only way we become effective keeping 3 RB’s is to change our fundamental mindset on Offense. We need to willing to run the ball a majority of time..even 3rd and long. The biggest flip side to this is our OL needs to be able to RUN block effectively,I am not convinced of that yet. I will be eagerly watching how Garrett manages the play book with the 3 headed monster.
by thejanusman on Jul 16, 2009 7:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I half agree
I don’t think they can run the majority of the time. I’m not sure any team did that last year.
I do think, as Terry said, they use the running backs for the majority of the touches through running, screens and getting guys out into the patterns. Mixing it up like that should shore up the periodic mental breakdowns we’ve seen on the O-line because Romo will only need to hold the ball a few seconds rather than having to scramble duering five or seven step drops. That’s the source of a lot of turnovers. I also like using the back as a safety valve on most plays. That allows Romo to check down instead of trying to force the action downfield.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jul 16, 2009 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
“That allows Romo to check down instead of trying to force the action downfield.”
That pretty much says it all. Most of his mistakes are because he is trying to force something from nothing. If he has a safe option to dump the ball off on then he would be much more effective. I don’t know how many times I was screaming for a screen in the first half of last season. Seems that Garrett figured out what an HB screen was sometime between Felix going down and Barber going down.
by Damnsammit on Jul 16, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree completely
The second Giants’ game was the model for that. Romo was dodging rushers the whole game but consistently had RBs in the flats and he used them to perfection (when he wsn’t being pinballed around).
My guess is that Garrett will be keeping that adjustment, not only to give Romo more options when protection breaks down, but to get his talented backs more touches. Those guys are play-makers.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jul 16, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not to play devils advocat, but many of Romo fantastic plays came when he made something out of nothing,
but you are right heaving an option to check down hopefully will cut some of his turnovers.
by dcfanz on Jul 16, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well to an extent I agree with you...
He is great at making a big play happen after protection is broken down… but only when the big play is THERE.
His mistakes are when the big play is NOT there. Sometimes he tries to force it into double or triple coverage or simply holds onto it too long and gets a fumble or a sack. Apparently they are working with him this offseason to correct this and have him throw it away if there isn’t a throw worth taking.
I don’t want him to conservatively play football. That’s not his style, but when there are no open receivers just dump it off on the running back or throw it away. Don’t risk a turnover.
by Damnsammit on Jul 17, 2009 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's definitely a fine line
I think as he matures as a qb he’ll walk it better.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jul 17, 2009 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
and that’s essentially what he said he’s working on. Hopefully he’ll be able to actually execute under pressure. I think fans forget how little time a QB has to see, decide and act on a given play.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jul 17, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's not going to happen
If we had an average qb, I might agree but to take the ball out of Romo’s hands the majority of snaps makes no sense IMO and I think Garrett feels the same way.
The best way to utilize our backs is to become a little more balanced with our pass/run ratio and throw more swing passes and screens to get them past the LOS. We simply don’t have the OL just to impose our will running the ball like we did back in the 90s.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jul 16, 2009 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, but I have to push back a bit...
Running backs have to be complemented by their O-Line’s in order to showcase themselves.
The Giants still have the best trio, not because of how the talent of their groups stacks up against ours (because I think our 3 are better by a smidge), but because they have a better O-Line, especially on the interior. Said differently, our trio behind their line would make this an easy call.
On talent alone, you’d have to go with Tennessee’s group over Dallas’ on the strength of last year’s performance by Chris Johnson. I think Dallas’ group CAN be better, but only if (as thejanusman pointed out) the offensive philosophy were to change a bit. I tend to agree with Terry in that I don’t know if Redball will do that. Otherwise, Johnson, White and Ringer will carry more of the load for their team (have you seen the WR corps for Tenn?) and get to exploit their talents moreso than our group.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Jul 16, 2009 11:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I like Tennesse's backs but I dont think I would take them in a straight up trade for ours.
Personally I like Carolina’s. Thats 2 1000 yard rushers and both are built like work horse backs. I didnt want to draft Felix but seeing his flashes of upside have convinced me otherwise. Still, I might trade him straight up for Stewart only because I think Stewart will be more durable ove the long haul. At the end of the year I believe their yardage and TDs will be comparable but Stewart should hold up better longer.
I read no newspaper but Ritchies, and in that chiefly the advertisements, For they contain the only truths to be relied upon in a newspaper. Thomas Jefferson.
by squidlo97 on Jul 16, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, not really
Stewart had injuries in his last year in college and has been hampered by the achilles lately.
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by dunkman on Jul 16, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I knew about the knee in college but that didnt seem to hurt Emmitt.
Didnt know about the achilles. have to look into that.
I read no newspaper but Ritchies, and in that chiefly the advertisements, For they contain the only truths to be relied upon in a newspaper. Thomas Jefferson.
by squidlo97 on Jul 16, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In 2007 he had
turf toe, ankle sprain and a hand injury. He played, but I’m just pointing out that he’s had his share of injuries. As far as I know, El Gato was basically injury free through college.
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by dunkman on Jul 16, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I knew he was dinged up in college but his size and build makes me feel he is more
likely to hold up to the NFL pounding.(believe me, I hope Im wrong) He also only had 856 yards rushing with 10 TDs. His running mate had 1500+. Couldnt find anything on his achilles but only went to 2 sites.
I read no newspaper but Ritchies, and in that chiefly the advertisements, For they contain the only truths to be relied upon in a newspaper. Thomas Jefferson.
by squidlo97 on Jul 16, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oregon runs a spread offense, so Stewart's ready to be an all-round pro.
He’s big, he’s fast, he can catch and has good vision.
All eyes on Free.
by Aaron Novinger on Jul 17, 2009 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea i agree with you on all points
The rbs are generally only a good as the olines in front of them.
For example, take jacobs. That guy, when he gets three yards of space to gain steam like the giants give him, hes a monster. Ward did a very good job finding holes (that were usually pretty big) and blasting through them. I can only imagine what Felix would do behind that line.
by foyesboys on Jul 16, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How will our trio
perform for a full season in the Red Ball offense?
I share the excitement for Barber, Jones and Choice, but I am gonna have to see them clicking together for a full season before I break out that anointing oil.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
by OskieOskie on Jul 16, 2009 11:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
remember hambrick?
Im sooooo excited that we have our choice of good backs to utilize. I still have a bad taste in my mouth when I think of hambrick stumbling over his massive ego for a two yard loss.now we have arguably the best combined rb talent in the league.my cousin asked me" what if we had a back as speedy as felix and tough as barber?" I simply told him “we weren’t in position to get adrian peterson”
by da universe's team on Jul 16, 2009 11:32 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Argh
I’d almost forgotten. Worst Emmitt successor possible.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Jul 16, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Woulda rather had Paul Palmer.
All eyes on Free.
by Aaron Novinger on Jul 17, 2009 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is he the guy
who did that song “Simply Irresistable”? I LOVE that video…
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jul 17, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 deep is more important than 3 deep
Last year, everyone proclaimed the Giants run game a success because of their 3-headed Earth/Wind/Fire attack. But if you watched their games, only 2 backs were able to get significant carries in a game.
Going 3 deep at RB is a cool idea, and in the case of injuries to one of your top 2, it’s a great luxury to be able to have (like the Giants did when Jacobs went down briefly). But within a given game, your top 2 RBs are going to be the difference makers— they’re just aren’t enough carries to get 3 guys significantly involved in a single game plan
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Jul 16, 2009 12:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe not in the way they want...
But I think you can get all three backs involved.
Use Barber mainly in the 1st quarter to get the offense going, and then again in the 4th quarter to close out on the tired defense.
Use Choice mainly in the 2nd and 3rd quarters to make them pay for leaving open any lanes because he has some great vision and appears to be a better receiver than Barber.
Felix should come in at least once every series to add the speed dimension to an otherwise slow offense.
Point is that they are all going to want playing time and they should all get some, but the biggest issue will be if they can keep all three backs happy with the amount of time they get. Last year the Cowboys ran about 25 times a game, and it’s probably going to be a little higher this year.
Barber might want half (13-15) of those touches, but will he be satisfied with 11 or 12? I think he will be as long as he can produce the way he did in 2007. Then you can split the other 16-18 carries among Felix and Choice.
by Damnsammit on Jul 16, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not bad points, but I will point out
There is speed on offense in RW2…
4.37 & 4.42 (Combine), 4.36 (Pro Day)
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by dunkman on Jul 16, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
He didn’t showcase his speed very well last year, but he is trying to shed some pounds this offseason so hopefully that will help. Being a Lions fan (yeah, yeah, yeah, I’m from Detroit) I have a ton of faith that he is going to shut all the local reporters up this year and have an outstanding season.
Only time will tell…
And Austin has some speed, too, but I don’t think anyone comes close to the dangerous speed of the Cat on this team.
by Damnsammit on Jul 16, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We was injured
for most of the season and TO was the one primarily used for the deep patterns.
But it’s true that what he’s known for is being a strong, sure-nahded receiver, not the deep threat.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jul 16, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay...
…but games don’t actually work like that. They’re very rarely that predictable. Let’s say your opponent has a long drive (8 minutes) in the second quarter. And on your two offensive possessions, you take a penalty on one, putting you in 1st and 15, so you can’t run that series and end up punting, and then the next possession you run it twice and pass it 3 times and that drives you for 40-50 yards for a field goal. Totally made up scenario, but seems like a feasible second quarter.
So now Choice has 2 carries. Or if you got Felix in there once or twice, they both have 1 carry. And your script is down the toilet.
It’s feasible to give two backs a decent workload— give one guy 14-15 carries per game, give the other 8-10. Add in 2-3 carries for a third back, and that’s a full game’s rushing load.
Look at the Giants’ game breakdowns from last year. There usually are not enough handoffs in an NFL game to give 3 RBs significant field time. That doesn’t mean they can’t be in there blocking on passing plays and things like that, but in actual handoffs, there won’t often be enough to go around.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Jul 16, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are being too over analytical and hypothetical...
I’m just saying on an ideal basis, the breakdown should be something similar. Choice needs the bulk of the middle, Barber needs to do some short yardage and open and close the games and Felix needs to be used on the majority of offensive snaps – whether he gets the ball or not.
I’d like to see Felix get 700 yards rushing and 500 receiving… and if they use him properly then it wouldn’t be a problem to see those numbers.
by Damnsammit on Jul 17, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I'm saying that you're being too vague and conceptual
A three back workload is not realistic when you apply it to a real game setting. As I said above, look at the Giants’ game logs from last year. It’s a two back (at least in a given game) league
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Jul 17, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok...
Whatever you say, boss man. And you can look at whoever’s game log you want to.
The Giants last year are not the Cowboys this year.
Brandon Jacobs and Derrick Ward are much better than Ahmad Bradshaw. I wouldn’t want his ass getting more than a few carries a game, either.
But I think Tashard Choice proved last year that he deserves playing time because he was the only consistent player on offense in December. I’m sure you can’t work him into the game because you don’t know how to think outside the box, but hopefully Garrett can.
I’m glad you are not the offensive coordinator because you would just be like “OH NO! YOU CANT DO THAT! THIS IS THE NFL!” OMGZ
by Damnsammit on Jul 17, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently I should not have brought facts into the debate
Wow. That really escalated quickly.
Things really got out of hand.
Brick killed a man.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Jul 17, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Other notes
Fred Taylor dropped off quite a bit last year— I wouldn’t put him in MB3’s class at this point. I know that Jacksonville’s OL suffered, but note how Taylor’s YPC stats dropped much more than MJD’s did, running behind the same blockers.
Overall, I think the evaluations give a bit too much credit to veteran backs. We’ve seen that the decline for a RB can happen EXTREMELY quickly— one year the guy is very good, the next year he’s slipped a bit, and then the year after that he’s totally done. Despite his dramatically improved touchdown rate last year, which was a bit of a normalization after 2007’s fluke-ish TD rate for him, Thomas Jones slipped a bit, and Washington’s got to start stealing more and more of his job this year, right? The guy’s too explosive to keep on the bench and Jones can’t break long runs much anymore.
Lastly, I’d give the Titans and the Panthers the edge over us, just based on the strength of their top two. We all love Felix (I think he’s one of the top 3 weapons in our division), but it’s 95% potential, 5% production right now, so I think we have to wait until he proves himself to put ourselves up with those formidable backfields that got it done at a very high level last year.
Also, I have no idea who the third RB in Minnesota is these days, but I’d put Adrian Peterson, Chester Taylor, and a tree stump as one of the top 5 three-man backfields in the league, just because of the strength of those top two guys. All Day is obviously fantastic, and Taylor has been a 1300 yard rusher in the league very recently.
Michael Bennett, Darren Sproles, and Tomlinson in San Diego might also try to include themselves in the conversation as well— I think they’re more talented than New England, for instance.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Jul 16, 2009 12:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL
“Also, I have no idea who the third RB in Minnesota is these days, but I’d put Adrian Peterson, Chester Taylor, and a tree stump as one of the top 5 three-man backfields in the league….”
+1
I agree
by Damnsammit on Jul 16, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 I knew there was another group of backs out there but couldnt remember who. Minnesota is tops.
I read no newspaper but Ritchies, and in that chiefly the advertisements, For they contain the only truths to be relied upon in a newspaper. Thomas Jefferson.
by squidlo97 on Jul 16, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree +1
We do have the best three RBs in the League and this should make up for any deficiencies in the QB/WR play. As has been said before, the key for our “O” is the OL…can they road grade this year and beat up a DL? …I say unequivocally, YES. Ha!
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by SaratogaRacing on Jul 16, 2009 12:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh my God Carl, I hope your wrong....
This statement scares me…..
" I know that given the weapons the Cowboys have on the perimeter, and the tendencies of the offensive coordinator, the Cowboys will probably throw the football often and deep."
I know I have been critical of Garrett (why shouldn’t I? It’s my right to voice my displeasure if I view something is wrong if I’m not correct), in fact Carl, this is the second time I am gonna invite you to go and read my old post “who would you blame if Tashard is not used correctly?” and see how much anger that post brought out in the highly respected Rafael Vela. He, by some quirk of fate, thought I was painting a “bullseye” on Garrett’s head (ridiculous). If anything, Garrett is bringing this “attention” to himself by making blunderous calls and having no imagination on offense and failing to utilize his weaponry- he doesn’t need me to do that.
I do admit one thing though- I shouldn’t have named the post “who would you blame if Tashard Choice isn’t used correctly”, but rather it should have been named “What if the Cowboys don’t use the running game effectively from a philosiphical standpoint?”
I make no apologies regarding my belief that Tashard should be our every down back. It’s what I truly believe and I will stick by that.
The Facts so far as I see them (maybe not like others see them though)
1. Our offensive line is built to run the ball smashmouth, yet we barely even scratch the surface of playing football that way.
2. Our running backs seem to be nothing less than awesome catching slants and screens out of the backfield, yet we shy away from it to go to the “bomb” right when it seems to be clicking.
3. Our offensive line looks bad in pass blocking because they seem to have to pass block alot, and every defense we play knows we have to pass block alot.
4. We don’t even offset the defenses with our pass heavy offense with an effective 3-step drop and slant pass.
sorry to all for hashing subjects that hurt, that’s not my intention. Sorry to all if this even sounds like a put down of Garrett, and that is not my intention. I have no intentions of putting down or demeaning anyone- just the facts.
If anyone here is a fan of Star Trek the Original Series, I want to quote Victor Tayback, the actor that plays Jo Jo Krako, boss of the whole southside territory in the episode “a piece of the action”…..
“What am I, not gonna believe my eyes????”
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by DallasPalace on Jul 16, 2009 1:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree about Choice...
He should be the every down back. He is the most complete back that the Cowboys have on the roster. However, I think that if you give Barber the first series and the 4th quarter duties and Choice the bulk of everything in between, it would be the best solution.
This way Barber is still the “starter”, Choice is still a huge part, and Felix can come in periodically throughout the game to relieve either of the two or use a 2 RB set that can utilize his speed and his apparent ability to find the endzone. Again, we just had a flash of Choice and Felix last year because of lack of playing time and injuries, respectively. I think this is the season we will see what exactly there is in that Dallas backfield.
Either way, I think it’s looking pretty good right now.
by Damnsammit on Jul 16, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If anyone other than Barber
should be the starter, it’s Jones. Right before he got hurt last year Brian Baldinger of NFLN said he was the best running back in the league. That’s a pretty bold statement, but Baldinger is pretty dead on with his analysis most of the time. (example: he said the Falcons were going to be one of the best offenses in the league early last preseason)
I like Choice but I don’t think he has the natural talent of Barber or Jones. It’s great that he’s here, but we need him to stay fresh in case we need him late in the season.
by DoomsdayD75 on Jul 16, 2009 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well..
I don’t think Felix should be the every-down back. He needs to get into an open field to be at his best. Personally, I don’t want to see Felix split the tackles and get hammered by a few D-linemen. He might be strong, but he’s not as tough as Barber or Choice.
His role is going to be increased this year, but if you don’t want his career to end in 5 years, you shouldn’t want him being the starter/every -down back.
by Damnsammit on Jul 17, 2009 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Johnson....
Who is much slighter built than Felix Jones was able to handle a 300-touch workload last season. Warrick Dunn, also much smaller-framed than Felix has regularly logged 250-300 touches and he’s lasted a long time. Unless Felix isn’t chronically brittle, he should be capable of handling 250-300 touches and as many as 250 rushes.
It’s not that you don’t want Felix being the starter/primary back. You’re just never going to give him the 350-400 touches a warhorse like Emmitt logged in his best season.
by MadMick on Jul 17, 2009 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously I meant...
Unless Felix Jones IS chronically brittle……
by MadMick on Jul 17, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Natural talent is pretty vague so I can't really debate that.
Choice will never be a mauler like Barber who runs over guys and makes your jaw drop. That much is for certain.
However, it’s pretty obvious to me from Choice’s limited action last year, where he had 5 runs of over 20-plus yards on less than 100 carries, he is highly capable of gliding through holes for big gains. Also, you can’t really say that Choice’s numbers are misleading because those runs came in crucial moments of tight games against top five defenses. Call it what you want, but the fact is behind a Cowboys O-line that many think isn’t that great or even that good a run-blocking unit, Choice was pretty dang effective against the very best defenses in the league. Compare the situations Choice was thrown in to the ones that produced Barber’s inflated ’07 numbers where he had nearly a hundred yards rushing off two long runs as a closer against teams that were already whipped; the Dolphins and Bears.
I’m fine with Choice having to wait his turn but I don’t see any part of his game where he lags behind Barber.
by MadMick on Jul 17, 2009 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I love Barber’s game – he fires everyone up when he bangs for extra yards. But Choice’s ability to find and exploit creases is something very few backs have. If he can run in spite of the line’s blocking, he’s going to be more valuable as a RB that either Felix or MBIII.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jul 18, 2009 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only think about Choice that would make me just pump the brakes a bit.
Is besides that Giants game, it seemed like most of his good runs came out of draw plays.
That isn’t a bad thing necessarily, in fact it might mean that he has more of a role on this team than alot of people would think due to the fact that it doesn’t make 3rd and long necessarily a passing down, but it is something to take account of.
Oh and just to defend Barber a little. He did almost have 100 yards against the Giants defense in first half of that playoff game. It isn’t like he never got any yards in games against opponents who weren’t already whipped.
Plus, not that this is necessarily true, but so far Barber has proven he has the best hands of any of the running backs on the team. He is super underrated as a pass catcher.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Jul 18, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good points
and to be honest I won’t be disappointed no matter who totes the rock because all three to have “it”. You’re right – we won’t be sure about Choice until we see more. But if the line continues to have trouble with straight-ahead blocking, it’s cool to know that Choice may be an option. Or a choice. Or whatever.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jul 18, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was just pointing out those two runs in garbage time....
…..Skewed his ‘07 stats somewhat. My point was always that if Barber got a normal starter’s load his YPC wouldn’t be nearly as gaudy. If Barber were to get 300 carries and performed at his top level, the best I’d expect from him is 1,300 yards or so but nowhere near 1,450-1,500 yards. On the other hand, a guy like DeAngelo Williams who had also put up some pretty impressive numbers as a back-up prior to last season gained over 1,500 yards on over 273 carries a year ago. That’s the difference between a top five-calibre back and a very solid back in Barber.
I’ve never demeaned Barber’s playoff performance against the Giants but he did run out of gas. Also, I can’t help but always having to compare Barber’s performance in that game to Emmitt’s legendary one in the ‘93 season finale where Emmitt was the Cowboys whole offensive gameplan and he never ran out of gas. That’s the difference between half a great performance and a truly legendary performance.
I do agree about him being undervalued as a pass catcher. That’s also one of the reasons why I don’t think there will be 85-90 passes for Roy to gobble up. If you utilize Barber and Felix in the passing game, that’s 90 receptions or so right there.
by MadMick on Jul 18, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True...
but also the offensive line was also stable throughout the game for Emmitt.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Jul 18, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2009 supplemental draft underway
the skins have already taken jeremy jardon with a 3rd round pick.
it think it’s unllikely the cowboys have an interest in one of the others, given they drafted so many players last april. morley at safety would be a good fit, but serious character issues.
by billstickers on Jul 16, 2009 1:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The downside of having 3 good backs is getting them all involved.
When ever we lose who ever doesnt see enough touches will be the reason we lost. I think a better way to judge will be how many yard rushing we have and short yardage success. To count touches of individuals would turn this in to pissing contest.( no winners)
Im outspoken in our need to achieve more balance. We pass to much and throw to many deeper passes for my taste. Some of that is Garrett but alot is Romo as well. He checked out of alot of runs last year at the line of scrimmage. He also had a tendency to look for the deeper paterns too often. Alot of plays have routes to attack the different levels. Most plays have a deep route, a medium, a short, and a dump(wheel). Romo seemed to look for bigger plays to much for me.
Garrett experienced some growing pains but it wasnt all his fault. H e had alot of help. If he is as smart as we think he is he should have learned alot. He also played his whole career for teams that liked to run. I think he believes in a solid run game and will commit to it more this year. If not we can get ready pick early next April.
I read no newspaper but Ritchies, and in that chiefly the advertisements, For they contain the only truths to be relied upon in a newspaper. Thomas Jefferson.
by squidlo97 on Jul 16, 2009 1:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Three capable backs is what you need, Mr. Squid because...
one will surely go down by early in the season – just the way the League works, sir. I love saving the barbarian until late in the game, omg, is he good late down the stretch, which of course, takes the ball out of Romo’s hands late in the game.
"The Most Dangerous Man in the world is the one with nothing to lose"
by SaratogaRacing on Jul 16, 2009 3:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Gotta have a lead to run late
And I don’t imagine we will be leading every game we play in the 4th quarter.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Jul 16, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont disagree at all and last year proves that beyond a shadow of a doubt.
However, many on here have their favorites and when we lose the blog turns bitchy. If we lose and Choice/Felix/Barber isnt involved enough, people will take sides. Choice should be the lead back, no Barber should be, ect…… Its not going to be easy getting everyone involved. Some games will play out to where someone gets neglected. If we are down late and throwing every play in the 4th. Barbers touches will be limited. Someone will undoubtively say its because Barber didnt get the ball enough that we lost.
People seem to forget that sometimes the bad guy wins.
I read no newspaper but Ritchies, and in that chiefly the advertisements, For they contain the only truths to be relied upon in a newspaper. Thomas Jefferson.
by squidlo97 on Jul 16, 2009 3:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
As long as it is effective....
I don’t care if Cory Proctor is getting carries.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Jul 16, 2009 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol!
They should find a spot for him at FB on short yardage. He’s got rhythm. He’s the drummer!
All eyes on Free.
by Aaron Novinger on Jul 17, 2009 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think people would complain...
about not running the ball in the 4th quarter if we were down and needed some points.
The main thing will be if Jason Garrett can’t give up on a certain back for a particular game. If Barber is at 6 carries for 10 yards, it should be time to put in Choice or Felix.
If Choice is at 10 rushes for 92 yards and 3 receptions for 60 yards and a TD, then I think it would be wise to let him finish that game. I don’t know about you, but the perception I get from Barber is that he likes winning games, so he isn’t going to go all T.O. and be like “gimme da ball coach! Romo and Choice are making plays behind my back!”
by Damnsammit on Jul 17, 2009 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When we lose people complain about everything from the biased announcers, Romo dating starlets
Jerrys womenizing, the color of the turf, Wades demeanor, pink jerseys, run/pass ratios, Proctors drum set, Romos film study habits, camp cup cake, should have drafted so and so, the 96 draft, Barbie, ect………..
Nothing wrong with throwing when your down but they will just say he should have gotten it more in the first quarter
My real point was people will be complaining about everything regardless if its relevant or not.
A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. Gen. George Patton
by squidlo97 on Jul 17, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
The 96 draft was pretty bad, though…
by Damnsammit on Jul 17, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The beginning of the demise.
A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. Gen. George Patton
by squidlo97 on Jul 17, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree about the Raiders
I think Felix and Darren are pretty much even, while Barber is way better than Huggy Bear Jr. All I can think of is watching Fargas running for a 20 yard gain against the Chiefs, stopping with no one around, and then grabbing his nuts. Out for the game. That’s been his career in a nutshell IMO. I would take Choice well before Michael Bush as well, who had one good game against a crap defense.
I agree that our running back group stacks up with anyone in the league. Our running game does not however, at least not yet. Based on past performance teams like Panthers, Giants, Titans and Vikings are still the cream of the crop.
by DoomsdayD75 on Jul 16, 2009 4:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Squid - you are...
on a friggin’ roll tonight – excellent analysis. What you drinking tonight??
"The Most Dangerous Man in the world is the one with nothing to lose"
by SaratogaRacing on Jul 16, 2009 9:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
One thing for sure
No matter how our three RBs are used in the Red Ball offense this year, there will be a load of critics whining that it’s all wrong.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
by OskieOskie on Jul 17, 2009 9:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Let me be the first
Garrett is an idiot. He is using (FILL IN THE BLANK) all wrong!
Just cut and paste during the game threads
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Jul 17, 2009 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He can't afford to use anybody wrong this year.
My guess is that he will come through and provide a balanced attack w/flashes of his big play brilliance littered throughout each game.
All eyes on Free.
by Aaron Novinger on Jul 17, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I beg to differ
I’d like to see him use a lot less of Procter. Just sayin…
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jul 17, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You won't see a lot of Procter this year...
unless Kosier and Holland get injured.
Or if Gurode goes down… but that will pretty much mean the season is over. You can’t lose your Pro Bowl center and replace him with some heavy metal drummer.
by Damnsammit on Jul 17, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or we'll see
Brewster earn his millions…
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jul 17, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Richard Pryor?
All eyes on Free.
by Aaron Novinger on Jul 17, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have a winner!
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jul 17, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome movie.
Better to be Brewster’s Millions than Punky Brewster.
All eyes on Free.
by Aaron Novinger on Jul 18, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
HEY!
Check the fantasy board, and see if that date is good.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Jul 18, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like it when they play against the yankees, one of the batters asks
John Candy, “was that his change-up?” “No” Candy says, “that was his fastball”.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
by cowboy78 on Jul 17, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If our offense stays healthy
Garrett will look like a genius, if it doesn’t, he’ll look like a bum. It’s as simple as that.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jul 17, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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