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Michael Vick is better than Romo?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/07/20/plenty-of-teams-should-want-vick/

Here we go.

Arizona:  Kurt Warner . . . better.

Atlanta:  Matt Ryan . . . better.

Buffalo:  Trent Edwards . . . comparable.

Baltimore:  Joe Flacco . . . better.

Chicago:  Jay Cutler . . . better.

Cleveland:  Derek Anderson/Brady Quinn . . . worse.

Cincinnati:  Carson Palmer . . . better.

Carolina:  Jake Delhomme . . . worse.

Denver:  Kyle Orton . . . worse.

Dallas:  Tony Romo . . . comparable.

Detroit:  Matthew Stafford/Daunte Culpepper . . . worse.

Green Bay:  Aaron Rodgers . . . comparable.

Houston:  Matt Schaub . . . comparable.

Indianapolis:  Peyton Manning . . . better.

Jacksonville:  David Garrard . . . worse.

Kansas City:  Matt Cassel . . . comparable.

Miami:  Chad Pennington . . . comparable.

Minnesota:  Tarvaris Jackson/Sage Rosenfels . . . worse.

New England:  Tom Brady . . . better.

New Orleans:  Drew Brees . . . better.

New York GiantsEli Manning . . . better.

New York JetsKellen Clemens/Mark Sanchez . . . worse.

Oakland:  JaMarcus Russell/Jeff Garcia . . . worse.

Philadelphia:  Donovan McNabb . . . better.

Pittsburgh:  Ben Roethlisberger . . . better.

San Diego:  Philip Rivers . . . better.

San Francisco:  Shaul Hill/Alex Smith . . . worse.

Seattle:  Matt Hasselbeck . . . better.

St. Louis: Marc Bulger . . . comparable.

Tampa Bay:  Josh Freeman/Luke McCown/Byron Leftwich . . . worse.

Tennessee:  Kerry Collins . . . worse.

Washington:  Jason Campbell . . . worse.

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Romo >>>>>>>>>>>> Vick

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Jul 20, 2009 8:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Outside of the Romo thing

this list is pretty fair.

"What you get when you put that #9 wit that #11? ...That's right 9-1-1!" - Roy Williams.

by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jul 20, 2009 8:26 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I don’t know about that. If I was a Carolina fan I would have a definite problem with Vick being called better than Delhomme despite the fact that Vick has been in jail for two years. Sure he played terrible against the Cards, but the rest of his year was pretty darn good throwing to Steve Smith.

Others I would have a problem with include:
-David Garrard is not worse than Vick. He is one year removed from one of the most efficient QB seasons in recent memory and won a playoff game against the Steelers two years ago.
-Aaron Rodgers is way out of Michael Vick’s league.
-I am not so sure that Quinn/Anderson is absolutely worse than Vick
-I also think that Matt Schaub (if he can stay healthy) and Pennington are certainly better than Vick at this point
-If Matt Cassel can come close to last year’s production, he is definitely better than Vick.

And really I could probably make the case for others on this list, but with Vick being out of football for two years, I just have a hard time believing he is better than almost any starting QB in the NFL. Also, this list doesn’t take into account that rookies like Sanchez and Stafford haven’t proven to be better than Vick (on the basis of not playing), but are certainly expected to be down the road. Even an under the radar guy like Jamarcus Russell, if he can continue the streak he was on at the end of last year, is probably a lot better than an out of football Michael Vick.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Jul 20, 2009 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Yeah, I would think Delhomme would at least get a "comparable".

It’s hard to judge a QB whose team had a bad year, like the Browns’ guys, Garrard and Rodgers—especially when compared to a guy outta the league for 2 seasons.

All eyes on Free.

by Aaron Novinger on Jul 21, 2009 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1

on both Romo and Rodgers especially

Prime Time: If we were playing a game of pickup basketball, what should I expect?
Tony Romo: Well...I'd spot you 10 points if we were playing to 11.

by aussie_cowboy on Jul 21, 2009 2:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1

on both Romo and Rodgers especially

Prime Time: If we were playing a game of pickup basketball, what should I expect?
Tony Romo: Well...I'd spot you 10 points if we were playing to 11.

by aussie_cowboy on Jul 21, 2009 2:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

lets just say ....

I would almost venture to say that the lions duo of Stafford/Culpepper is comparable

many thigns on this make me laugh
Romo, Rodgers, Pennington, Garrard … and of course Eli (lets see his greatness without Plaxy)

by fuji1232 on Jul 22, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mike Florio of PFT is a joke

he and I have emailed back and forth about the cowboys in the past and he’s admitted that he really hates Dallas, he’s said that Aikman was an average QB and that Dallas would have won more SB’s had they had Favre or Young at QB, that Emmitt isn’t even a top 10 all time back. He also said Joe Flacco is better than Romo because he “won 2 playoff games” ignoring the fact that Flacco’s #‘s in the playoffs are far worse than Romo’s

by stephen1 on Jul 20, 2009 9:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Wow. Sounds like someone I couldn't stand to be around.

I hate the Giants and Eagles, but wouldn’t say Vick is “comparable” to those guys. Maybe he just wants to watch his hit counter fill up with Cowboys fans.

All eyes on Free.

by Aaron Novinger on Jul 21, 2009 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Ravens have the best defense in the league

of course Flacco is going to win playoffs games just off that (or for that matter even getting to the playoffs).

by Burt88 on Jul 22, 2009 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hope you aren’t referring to me as I am a Dallas fan… I just posted it out of disbelief.

by Barrett14 on Jul 20, 2009 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

If we are comparing WR ability, I agree

Vick was amazing running the ball in the open field. He could be a great WR. Much better than Romo. But as a QB??? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

by JimmyJohnson on Jul 21, 2009 1:25 AM CDT reply actions  

I just wish everyone would stop discounting Vick's running ability when evaluating him as a quarterback.

Let’s not forget the way that football was intended to be played. Michael Vick is a throwback to football’s prehistoric stages. A 10-yard run on 3rd and 9 moves the sticks just the same as 10-yard pass.

If Michael Vick is a marginal passer, but the greatest runner of all time as a QB, doesn’t that make him better than average as a whole?

If quarterback A throws for 3,500 yards, and quarterback B throws form 2,500 yards and runs for 1,000 are they not equally productive.

Michael Vick was by no means a pinpoint passer, but his ineptitude at quarterback has been greatly exaggerated in his absence. He was never Peyton Manning, but he was never Vince Young either.

In all fairness, Michael Vick was always a middle of the road quarterback. Not some embarrassment to the position like many try to insinuate.

"What you get when you put that #9 wit that #11? ...That's right 9-1-1!" - Roy Williams.

by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jul 21, 2009 6:18 AM CDT reply actions  

Vick had his strong points

and you’re right, he was not terrible as some insinuate. I think the biggest red flag is his time away from football in what would have been the prime of his career. It’s hard to believe he stayed in NFL shape during his sentence.

Right now the memories of his playing days are being blurred with the PR issues he will face and most people are forgetting how electrifying he was when he played. He lacked consistency and wasn’t the greatest passer but, again, he was entering the prime of his career.

by Billito on Jul 21, 2009 6:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

He was like a faster Steve Young, except DC's had to adjust for his legs on passing downs...

which led many to use the “spy” method.

I’d bet Carp is rooting for Vick to return to the NFL.

Shoulda been Hawkins.

by Aaron Novinger on Jul 21, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

No not an embarrassment at all

It’s impossible to know much about his game from the outside, but I aways suspected that his success at running cause him to abandon his reads too early. His arm was more than adequate, but as long as he could run as well as he did, there was less incentive to hang in there, especially when his receivers were average or worse, and his line suspect at times (although some of that might have been his fault for being relatively unpredicatble).

The best thing they could have done for him is what teams have done with other talented runners like (Steve) Young, McNair and McNabb is force him to work out of the pocket until he fully developed at the NFL level and then integrate the run back into his game. It’s sort of a a longer-term view over the quick pay-off. Even if he never developed into Peyton Manning, he probably would have been an upper-half QB.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Jul 21, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

You make fair points, but when discussing his running ability you also must realize that it got him in trouble a lot too. He took far too many sacks in Atlanta as a result of him trying to stretch out a play and killed several Atlanta drives by thinking run-first rather than pass-first. I give Vick credit for winning a good amount of games while being Atlanta’s QB, but with two years out of the league, I would take any NFL starter right now over Vick.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Jul 21, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Vick's WRs never helped him

Sure he wasn’t the most accurate passer, but they had the worst cases of the dropsies that I’d ever seen. It’s only now that both of them are coming into their own, but they never had any chemistry with Vick and sure didn’t help his numbers any.

Everything's looking up, Milhouse!

by accidental innuendo on Jul 21, 2009 6:52 AM CDT reply actions  

Amen!

Those dudes dropped 40 balls a year easy, if you include Crumpler.

"What you get when you put that #9 wit that #11? ...That's right 9-1-1!" - Roy Williams.

by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jul 21, 2009 6:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

I will spot you that Vick’s receivers did him no favors, but many in Atlanta are now wondering whether that was because his wideouts were bad or because they simply did not have any real confidence in Vick’s ability to get them the ball when coming out of their breaks. They wonder this because the year he left, guys like Roddy White and Michael Jenkins saw their numbers significantly improve while being thrown to by Chris Redman, a guy who had been out of football the year before. So we will never really know, but it is fishy to many in Atlanta that the Atlanta receivers suddenly remembered how to catch the year Vick was arrested.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Jul 21, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

LMAO!!!

That’s like saying is Vince Young better than P Manning?

Anyone who thinks Vick is better than Romo or even comparable has absolutely no clue what they are talking about.

Vick is an absolutely horrible passer while Romo is one of the best there is in the league.

Absolutely laughable post.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 21, 2009 7:35 AM CDT reply actions  

Can't believe I read this drivel

the title alone should have kept me out of this post .

by One.Cool.Customer on Jul 21, 2009 9:33 AM CDT reply actions  

+2

They lost all credibility with me. Better than Romo?! Are you F ing kidding me. Its so stupid it angers me.

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by squidlo97 on Jul 21, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

No Thanks...

I’d rather have a QB (like Romo) who can actually complete a 5-yard out…

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by gee-roj on Jul 21, 2009 10:00 AM CDT reply actions  

Comparable....

They are comparable only in the # of headlines generated in the papers…otherwise Romo is wayyyyyyy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than snuff-dog

by tb0n3 on Jul 21, 2009 3:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Why can't people put aside their hatred for Vick long enough

to accurately evaluate him.

Marginal passer + Greatest Running QB ever = middle of the road QB.

At least give him that.

"What you get when you put that #9 wit that #11? ...That's right 9-1-1!" - Roy Williams.

by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jul 21, 2009 4:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Because passing is what the qb does (and handing off)

A QB only runs when the $h&t hits the fan

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Jul 22, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

and his deficiency in passing (his main purpose on the field) makes him less than middle of the road

You are right that he is the best running qb ever, no doubt about that.

For the record, I said all of this about Vick before he became infamous for dog snuffing. Two years without playing is not going to improve his accuracy, unless he was slinging footballs through a tire all day every day while he was in the can

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Jul 22, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

exactly .... just think about it

greatest running QB doesnt really get you anywhere in the passing column
and it was really only good the first few years, especially with #1 running game

he had good upside as a runner, but never a passer
and when things got ugly ….. WRs would just quit and disappear.
not even crump could bail him out.

and the biggest thing is hes definitely gotten worse. the passing experience he has missed on. he will be in a new system regardless. a couple more years on those “running” legs. hes not old, but hes comparable to any rookie (risk and uncertainty)

i am not biased over the dog-fighting thing. i actually hope can make a comeback and settle down as a passer and show the world the NFL isn’t a bunch of misfits. make up for shit like pacman and stallworth.

by fuji1232 on Jul 22, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

IMO you are looking for a running team that needs a QB ... some suggestions

Miami (doubt they would want him, but would be wild to have 3 ppl who could run/throw)
TB (who do they have on the team now?)
KC (cuz I doubt Cassel is worth used toilet paper)
MIN (favre shouldnt be dumb enough to come back and play with those guys)
STL (bulger is gonna get sacked to death)

SF (i just want to see vick run in real time, closest stadium to me)

by fuji1232 on Jul 22, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

take that back

i hope denver starts making a move LOL
cuz some rumors about WASH being interested and we dont need WASH to have any chance of getting better

by fuji1232 on Jul 28, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh Romo is miles ahead of Vick. No Question.

I just don’t like kicking a man when he’s down. And I hat the way that the truth is skewed in a man’s absence.

It’s just like the opinion amongst Cowboy fans that T.O. sucks now that he’s not a Cowboy. Or how Tupac died and instantly became the greatest rapper of all time. Or Heath Ledger dies and he’s the greatest actor of all-time.

They say absence makes the heart grow fonder, but I think it makes the brain grow dumber.

People want to attack Vick so badly for his crimes that they attack his on field performance. Most of the cases against Mike Vick the player are simply untrue. He was not that bad. He was not Vince Young.

Grow up everybody. Really. He’s not better than Romo. But I would have taken him over anybody else we had lining up under center since Aikman.

"What you get when you put that #9 wit that #11? ...That's right 9-1-1!" - Roy Williams.

by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jul 21, 2009 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was not a a fan of Vick...

…long before I found out he was slaughtering dogs.

He could have revolutionized the position had he ever bothered to work on his throwing technique and on how to read coverages. He is the greatest running QB the NFL has ever seen but he also processes a cannon arm and there is no excuse for his terrible inaccuracies when it comes to passing. I’ve never seen a starting QB that hops more passes off the ground to wide open targets.

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by gee-roj on Jul 22, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1

And to continue that point, Vick was a QB who was terrible at timing passes and just never helped his receivers that much. With the running game that he had alongside him (back when Dunn and Duckett were doing well), Vick should have had a ton more success through the air.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Jul 22, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

well

I agree with the part about taking Vick over the guys we’ve had between Aikman and Romo, but meh…. That ain’t sayin much. BTW 2pac was considered one of the best rappers ever long before he died.

by sublimezg on Jul 23, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

I got news for you Carl

I had the same opinion of Vick BEFORE he was charged and arrested.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 23, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Grow up everybody. Really. He’s not better than Romo. But I would have taken him over anybody else we had lining up under center since Aikman.

Come on, I would have taken myself as QB over those guys, and I suck.

And I am another one who was saying this stuff long before he got arrested. The only thing i am adding is that two years away from the game is not gong to help his abilities.

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Jul 24, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd never take Vick over Romo

but I feel his career is underrated because people look at him solely as a passer. You really have to consider the whole picture imo – he made them a good, consisently winning team because he was such a dynamic player. His win % tells the story, while he didn’t make them a threat to win a superbowl, he made them better than many other teams in the league. THe falcons under vick were by far tops in rushing yards every year, and their rbs benefited very much from his threat to bootleg/playaction. While his play wasn’t the model I’d want any other qb to play under, he deserves some credit for what he did do well.

by foyesboys on Jul 22, 2009 12:11 PM CDT reply actions  

The problem with Vick

recently is his inactivity. He wasn’t great throwing the ball but he wasn’t bad either. His running was obviously one of the best for a QB. Just a damn beast no doubt about it. Believe me, if we had the old school Vick, we would be set for the Super Bowl or pretty close to it. But I’m not sure about Vick now. Being out of the game for 2 years in any sport is a killer and it definitely is no different in football.

by Burt88 on Jul 22, 2009 10:44 PM CDT reply actions  

now that got a laugh out of me

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by hinduplaya on Jul 23, 2009 2:34 PM CDT reply actions  

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