Dallas Cowboys 2009 Training Camp: Five Things to Watch (Part I)
Five things I want to watch at the 2009 Dallas Cowboys training camp next week.
- The Three-Headed Monster - Everyone wants to know how the Cowboys plan to mix these three together into a winning combination. Everybody has a theory, so I'll throw mine out there now. I'm not as concerned about who is named the starter, but what I'd like to see is Marion Barber and Felix Jones used regularly throughout the game. This would mean that MB3 would get fewer touches earlier in the game, because some of those carries should go to Felix. Also, they need to substitute Choice in for Barber every few series to give MB3 a little more of a breather as the game is going along. Hopefully that keeps MB3 fresh and able to close if we need it late in games. Training camp could give us a clue as to their intentions, especially what they plan to do with Felix. I'd like to see if they have any plans for him to do more as a receiver, too.
I'll have five more things on Friday.
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My top three for training camp...
I like the way you’re approaching this question, Grizz… not the standard “battles” report, but instead a more strategic look. With this in mind, here are a few of mine …
1. Watching all the big-uglies battle. Aside from the obvious McQ reference, I will be very interested to see how both the O-Line and D-Line look, especially in the first half of preseason games. It’s easy to be optimistic about our skilled players, the secondary, even the Spencer-Ware combo, but it all starts with Line strength, and I’d love to see the Cowboys step it up this year.
2. The two levels of WR – DB battles … First, as Grizz mentioned, the Romo-RoyW combination will but under perhaps the most scrutiny. Add Crayton to this mix… how will they match up against our DBs? Of perhaps almost equal interest to hard-core fans is watching the WR depth, and how it matches up against a now formidable secondary. Can Hurd, Austin, Stanback, Holley and Manny get separation? Who will emerge?
3. Linebacker depth, both inside and out. With Butler, Hodge and the Williams all competing for roster spots, we will learn a lot about the 2009 draft in the coming weeks.
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Houck And O-Line Are The Keys To The Offense
Last year, many were predicting the return of Houck was the key to the Cowboy offense. As this article states, Houck did not have the unit in shape for defensive coordinators that threw the kitchen sink at the offensive front. Romo paid with a tremendous physical beating all season. The injury and resulting chaos at left guard was just the most visible problem at the o-line. Flo had his usual problems and seemed to have injuries nagging him all season. Bigg had some terrible moments and of course – everyone in Cowboy land’s favorite whipping boy – Cory Proctor – was victimized in several games. Gurode showed that his inability to snap the ball is a fixture, not an anomoly and certainly is a feature of his game Romo and the "Cowboys will have to accept. I love the Cowboy draft but I will be thinking all season how it might have been if we had moved up to snag one of the top centers. How the oline rebounds and adjusts to likely injury at times will tell the tale of the season.
+1
I really have good feelings about almost all of our players, but the O-line, and coaching of the O-line makes me nervous to no end. Griz enumerated the weaknesses very well. Aside from sporadic poor play, it’s like we didn’t know how to cope with defensive schemes for much of the year.
Next, although I have confidence that players like Williams, Crayton, Hurd, & Austin will have their moments, their really is no evidence that these receivers are set to accel. At least we can run to pass, and keep the defense pinned for that extra split second.
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I disagree about Austin
I think he is set to accel.
by Musiccitynorm on Jul 23, 2009 7:37 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree
Last yr everyone except the coaches knew backup QB was the achilles heel and the team went into the season unprepared. In my opinion, it is the OL this year. It was the downfall of the team last year and I don’t see any signficant changes or improvements except some guys are apparently healthy (not all – Kosier). No depth improvements that I can see and the guys who were there last year apparently weren’t better than Proctor or an injured Flozell.
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 23, 2009 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions
I believe
Proctor was in because he was the only other guy on the team who could make line calls. Gurode needs help making the line calls and Kosier and Proctor are the only other tow who could do that.
Proctor was not the best choice talent wise, he was the only choice by necissity.
by Musiccitynorm on Jul 23, 2009 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions
So Cory
is able to correctly point out the guy who is going to steamroll his azz.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
You laugh
but it’s critically important and not everyone can do it as accurately as Procter.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
which is why they were so good at picking up the blitz packages?
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They wern't
but thats because Kosier was the guy making a lot of the line calls. Proctor was the backup center and knew the calls but he doesn’t have Kosiers experience. Noone else knew the line calls.
by Musiccitynorm on Jul 23, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd like to interject with a question here...
When you guys say “line calls” do you mean the calls they make to adjust their blocking scheme and assignment based on the DL/LB shifts?
If so – they all should technically know all the “calls”.
Let me explain why.
Based on the blocking system they put in, this may change a little but is still generally true.
The main blocking calls are usually done by the center, then the tackles. Back in college our OL had a numbering system. As an example, the OT would call “7” for a double team on a DE who is shaded inside the OT. (terminology will change) The center’s job is to primarily call “even” or “odd” formation depending on who is lining up in his gaps or on top of him. Center does this because he has a good view of the defense since he is the…well…“center” of the defensive formation as well. The OT also makes the strength calls and can override the center based on his perspective.
This is the general scheme…but make no mistake…
ALL of them should know how to call it.
They also have to work together since it is at that moment – on the line – that they have to decide how to best block the pre-snap defense. Who needs the help, who has the worst angle etc.
Sometimes, it’s like being on the floor of the stock exchange. They’re calling out blocks and cancelling them. Sometimes they snap the ball when they are not set on who to block and they just go.
Sometimes they make a mistake. Sometimes they just get beaten. I know one thing.
As much as I hate Flo “false starting” I have a general idea of how difficult it can be to not only have to decide to help with the inside gap with the guard but to worry about the peeling LB that stunts to your gap, all the while worrying about a OLB – who is faster and quicker than you, whose is lined up waay out on your outside shoulder – barreling down. Not easy. Not an excuse for him. But not easy.
It was sarcasm
He could ID the blitz, he was just powerless to stop it. Said another way, he had the unique ability to hear the bullet that got him. Every time.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
When did you start being sarcastic?
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 23, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
It's a new gig
Just sort of trying it on.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
You're right, dunk
I was just having a little fun.
Hope Proctor beefs up so he can handle the physical side of the game as well as the mental.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
I was down on Proctor too
But KC Joyner’s piece in the Maple Street Press annual indicates that when he was the lead blocker on a play, Proctor was better than Kosier on average yards per run play and succeeded more often.
Pass block metrics were not included, so all the times Proctor got backed up into Romo didn’t show up here.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
That's my impression as well - a good run blocker
and pretty much a human turnstile as a pass blocker.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Not only that
But they waited two and half games to even admit they had to do something else.
by staubachfan on Jul 23, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
yikes...
No depth improvements that I can see and the guys who were there last year apparently weren’t better than Proctor or an injured Flozell.
Now this really scares me heading into 2009…
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Evidence of Excellence - WR
Don’t get caught up in the ubiquitous stat that 4/11 (Roy Williams) has only had one good season (aka >1,000 yds).
It’s a case of omission. Roy has had 4 outstanding seasons out of 5. Unfortunately, everyone points to last year as proof…backed up by a series of statistical fallacies.
The injury argument is simply fear-mongering. One name, Jimmy Smith, should say everything…but alas, ignoratio elenchi abounds.
What is proven is that Austin has potential (yeah, yeah, yeah…that and a $1.50 gets you a cup of coffee), Crayton can produce, and Stanback has athletic ability.
What is also true is that our UDFA group (including Holley) could surprise.
Lastly, the 4th and 5th WR on some teams (Philthy and the rest of the West Coast clan), but how much has it meant to the Boys? Our 2nd guy rarely gets 500 yards.
Red Herrings if you ask me.
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Great points
The line is always the real story, even if it’s not the sexiest one. I liked Grizz’s take on it as well – it wasn’t just injuries, it was dealing with stunts and overloads. Kosier was always known as a smart lineman so maybe that’s another difference his return will make.
But they have to perform if this team is going to compete.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
I think the line is in better shap than we are giving credit for
I believe Doug Free is ready to step in at left tackle, I also believe Holland may be a better fit than Kosier at left guard, and thats not a bad thing. I also believe McQuistan moving to guard will fit him very well,remember he only played two years of college ball.
I’m not so sure Free wont be better than Flo at left tackle. I know, I know, I’m going to catch grief over this statement but I think its Free’s time. I was really impressed at how well he blocked Dwight Freeny last year in the pre season. He looked so fluid and sound.
I really hope you're right
That they’ve been hiding Free to keep other teams from pursuing him when his contract is up, that they’re secretly very happy with the line depth they have and that’s why they didn’t try very hard to draft more young prospects… I just haven’t seen anything yet that would make me confident. But believe me, you being right about all this would be the best news of the off-season.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Here's one glowing scouting report about Free when he was drafted.
http://sports.outsidethebeltway.com/2007/04/dallas-cowboys-draft-ot-doug-free-of-northern-illinois/
I went back to refresh my memory about why everyone was so high on him. If he comes close to living up to this scouting report I would be very happy.
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 23, 2009 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions
fingers crossed
Would be a shame if he follows in Marten’s shoes. Strangely, Free was rated better than Marten (by some) yet was picked later.
Right, supposedly because he was injured his senior yr in college
Some evaluated him based on tape from his senior year when he played hurt.
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 23, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for digging that up
I really liked this part:
rarely will get beat by speed off the edge
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
I got that feeling watching him block Freeny last year,
He looked comfortable blocking a guy like Freeny.
by Musiccitynorm on Jul 23, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Agree
Really the only negatives in that report had to do with building more strength. He’s had 2 yrs to work on that and we should assume he is stronger now. I think it was Fighter who had a great post yesterday about a number of all-time great Cowboy tackles who flourished after their 3rd yr (Tuinea, Wright, and Neely I think)
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 23, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Doug Free's got the athleticism
Here’s the scouting report I did for Raf and Raul’s old Blue & Silver Report blog on Doug Free when he came out:
http://www.blueandsilverreport.com/2007/05/08/meet-your-draft-picks-doug-free/
(love that “Doug Freak” nickname)
Here’s the one I did on Marten:
http://www.blueandsilverreport.com/2007/05/16/meet-your-draft-picks-james-marten/
As you can see, despite his lower draft status, Free was projected as the superior athlete and a future option at LT. Marten was a RT pick (and turned out to not even be that).
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
what is the evidence? last year's preseason and training camp?
Seems to me he’s an entirely unknown quantity. I’m crossing my fingers the coaches have this one covered, but like it was said before, they rolled the dice last year at QB, and they look to be doing the same with the OLine to some degree.
Now, having said that, if Kosier’s foot heals, and he is a factor (even in rotation), and the rest of the line stays healthy … I think this team can dominate. I think we can dominate with an average line… they don’t even need to dominate.
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The guy who said that about QB is a genius (me)
To your point, the line was healthy in 07 and the offense had a great year. They only have to play back up to that level when they all stayed healthy.
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 23, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions
+1
I think they will be capable of being better.
by Musiccitynorm on Jul 23, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Not "entirely" unknown
The coaching staff has been watching him everyday in practice. You have to give them some credit for being able to translate what they see into some level of performance on Sunday. They must be more comfortable than those of us who never get to see him in any kind of action.
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 23, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions
I guess that's pretty much my point
I hope that they are seeing that Free is a viable alternative and not hoping they won’t need him.
They too are prone to making mistakes, a la Brad Johnson losing his arm somewhere along the way and no one seeming to notice…
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Moutain = Molehill
You’re extrapolating one mistake as the “nature” of this coaching staff.
Come out and say it…better yet prove it. “This coaching staff sucks and nothing will change until we get a better one ”
It's not personal, it's just business
You've got to admit, the coaching staff had a really bad year last year
I was on my soap box yesterday – explain how Felix Jones played a game with no touches. Explain how Tashard Choice couldn’t get on the field at all until both running backs ahead of him were hurt. Explain how there was no option one 1 OL got hurt? The safety position was a joke. The Brad Johnson thing was just the cherry on the Sundae. That’s too many inexcusable mistakes for my taste.
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 23, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with you…
There is a laundry list of things this coaching staff did poorly last year. Why was Garrett expecting Johnson to make all the same types of throws that Romo did? He never adjusted his game plan in any way to the personal he had to work with. Look at how the Patriots changed up their game plans when Brady went down.
I hate this coaching staff right now but I’m have some hope as the really do appear to be taking a different approach this off-season.
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And they rocked in '07?
They actually had 3 injuries (Kosier, Holland, Flo). Yes, they whiffed on Proctor, but he was serviceable at times. Problem was a slow learning/getting in shape curve from Holland and simply the bad luck of losing a starter so early.
Whoops! Forgot about losing Tony for 3 games and playing hurt for 4 or 5 more.
Tough to coach injuries.
Yeah, yeah…you have to have backups, but the salary cap has prevented that. You only have 9 slots, meaning 4 to split between backups and developmental guys. Assumming 2 each for G & T, one of which needs to backup C, and you’re left with Holland (good pickup) and Proctor (the C backup).
As for Brad Johnson, there’s simply no defending that decision. It cost us the playoffs.
It's not personal, it's just business
Ummm.... no. You're incorrectly extrapolating from my post
I actually like this coaching staff. I am simply pointing out that I don’t know if they are actually comfortable with Free because nothing is seen or heard about him, and if they are comfortable with him, there is still a chance that they are wrong because they haven’t seen him in a regular season game. Coaches often think they have something and he doesn’t pan out. I’m not betting that they are right. I’d say there’s a much greater probability that they are correct than that they are incorrect.
But I’m also not pretending to have knowledge of Free. In fact it’s the opposite. I “freely” admit that I am without knowledge and I hope that he’s the real deal.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Can't figure what we were thinking with J Marten...
That was a big whiff. Third rounders should stick around longer than he did, Must have shown absolutely nothing….
from what I read about him
it sounded like scouts liked him. hrmm.. Let’s see what Oakland does with him
If remember right
the team really didn’t wnt to “get rid of him” it was given a bad hand with injuries and had to make room for a receiver just to have enough to fill the roster. I think injuries forced his departure, I’m sure the Cowboys would love to have him back.
by Musiccitynorm on Jul 23, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Well just by cutting Roy it will decrease the finger pointing by 66%
He was the biggest finger pointer out of all of them. It was always someone else’s fault.
was henry a pointer?
I distinctly remember Roy literally pointing at other players on almost every play he gave up. He was a pretty big d-bag; he could never take responsibility for his bad play. Glad he is off this team.
Not sure
But it was usually Roy Willy and Henry that were looking at each other in the end.
It's not personal, it's just business
I think that,
the big question in camp is not about the “three headed monster” but whether or not Felix Jones can be to us what Ladanian Tomilson or Clinton Portis or Adrian Petersen, for example, have been to their teams? If Jones is now 215 pounds as reports have stated, that’s plenty big enough to be an all purpose back. I, for one, believe this should an open competition to determine who should be on the field the most and what back gives us the best chance to win. If Jones can be that good, the other questions kind of answer themselves.
I feel the same way about the kicking situation. I like Folk a lot but let’s face it, the guy had some serious hip surgery. This is not even to mention that Buelher kicked what 20-22 field goals his senior year? That’s 91%. Now I don’t expect him to do that in the pros but let’s say he and Folk are both equal in training camp on field goals at let’s say 85% and Buelher is booming kickoffs into the endzone. The question I keep asking myself is why do I maintain a roster spot for Folk and have to cut a young position player with promise? I don’t think I can do that for a kicker.
I think if the 2 kickers are equal in training camp Folk will be cut
But I doubt they will be equal on FG’s
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 23, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Plus
I am not sure how they can measure how the kickers will handle pressure in TC. Say what you will about the kick offs, Folk has ice water in his veins.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
+1
Folk has proven he can nail a game winner and a difficult one at that.
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He is automatic when the game is on the line
That’s hard to replace
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 23, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Buehler did
kick at USC which is about as much pressure as you can get at that level. Folk has been awesome there’s no doubt about but the injury has to be a concern, not necessarily for his accuracy, but for his range. Let’s say, for example, that he loses 4-6 yards in range but keeps his accuracy. Now what? Should we really be willing to cut someone we think can help us in the future at a position of need, to keep two kickers? I’m not saying I have the answer to this, I just think it may be the toughest call that management has to make this year.
Yeah
he went 0-3 from over 40 yds. against UCLA. That is pretty ugly.
not likely
Buehler hasn’t proven a thing during stressful game winning FG’s, Folk on the other hand.. I think they both are on the team, at least for this season.
I'd prefer a different analogy.
The question is, can Felix be to Romo what Terrell Davis was for John Elway: The difference maker that turned Elway from a guy who threw for a lot of yards with a great Passer rating but never won anything into a ‘winner’ and Hall Of Famer.
by One.Cool.Customer on Jul 23, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Felix is MVP
of the decade if he can turn Tony Romo into John Elway.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
Elway had a decade of history under his belt
And Terrell Davis became their lead back and rushed for 2000 yards.
Felix is not going ot have that type of impact on this team, and Romo does not have Elway’s track record to show that he needs that type of an impact from a lead RB.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
I'd love to see Barber saved until 2nd half
Give him some carries in the first two quarters, but the formula for Dallas, a team with enormous linemen, is to wear an opposing defense down and then punish them in the final 15 minutes. We have Felix and Choice, and I can’t wait to see how they’re all utilized, but we need MB3 to be fresh in the 4th quarter so he can do his damage and pick up the game-clenching 1st down.
by GhostofGaryHogeboom on Jul 23, 2009 3:18 PM CDT reply actions
Nice post in that you went for 2 not so obvious choices
Pointing out we had a heralded OL coach last year, and while the onus is always finally on the players, the coaches need to have guys better prepared.
And I like the call on the finger pointing! Absolutely embarrassing last year to see that.
I would add a sense of togetherness and ‘team’ coming from this camp. Hard to see or judge, but there’s been talk all offseason about “addition by subtraction” and removing certain players. Well, what that means is that’s supposed to pay off in more focus and in ways that aren’t nec. on the field. I hope we can pick some of that up.
As an example, through the years we’ve always heard about how QB’s treat their OLines w/ gifts and work at making sure they feel appreciated. But some of us noticed by the end of last year that when Romo was taking a beating the OLine wasn’t always quick to go over and help him up.
We may be wrong and don’t know exactly what was going on, but it’s a symptom, just like the finger pointing, that the group last year was missing something. My opinion is that there was too much drama and too many distractions. I hope there’s less of that.
Remember how the coaches were afraid to put Choice in and even Felix at times. Free may be a decent player, but sometimes you need to put him in game situations to find out. He was a great prospect in college. This staff is afraid of young players.
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by RealAlbertEinstein on Jul 23, 2009 4:34 PM CDT reply actions
Maybe afraid
that young players can’t keep their QB in his original upright position.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
Neither did the players on the field. It is just one example why I think the Cowboys coaching staff is the weakness link. The good teams learn to work young players with veterans. That is why the Patriots, Giants and Eagles keep winning.
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by RealAlbertEinstein on Jul 23, 2009 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions
The whole coaching structure is weird,
first we hired OC without HC, than HC who brings failed DC. Now the DC is gone and the HC doubles as a DC, which is probably what he is good at. I wonder though if the DC duties will hamper his ability, time, attention to detail to be competent HC, hope it works, cause otherwise, we have clean slate next year. Continuity will be lost and players have to learn new schemes, terminology etc.

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