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Dallas Cowboys 2009 Training Camp: Practice #2

This morning's practice was a full-pads practice. Stephen Hodge was still working on the side because of injury, and a big white guy was also over there but he didn't have a jersey on so I couldn't tell who it was. (UPDATE: Todd Archer sent me an email telling me the "big white guy" was Tim Anderson. Thanks Todd!)

The Cowboys seem to be placing an emphasis on special teams as they opened practice again by working on that area. First, they broke into groups; the gunners were working on techniques to get past the blockers, another group worked on punt return blocking from the middle and the third worked on blocking the gunners. It looked like they were emphasizing proper technique and balance. They moved to some actual punting with Mat McBriar, he had some good punts that were high but not very long along with a few that were not up to his standards. He looked to be kicking free and easy; his injury appears to be fully recovered. Catching punts were Terence Newman, Patrick Crayton and newcomer Willie Reid. Covering punts as gunners were Courtney Brown, DeAngelo Smith, Pat Watkins and Alan Ball.

After that session they broke into positional warm-ups then came together for team stretching. They broke off to work on FG's after that with both Nick Folk and David Buehler taking turns. They really didn't go for distance, but the sound of the ball coming off Buehler's foot was striking, the boom was just a little louder than Folk's.

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They broke off into positional drills with the offense going through some running plays and the defense practicing technique drills in their groups. During these drills on offense, the second team o-line was Pat McQuistan, Ryan Gibbons, Cory Procter, Montrae Holland and Doug Free. The defensive backs were working on close-coverage man-to-man techniques with the "offensive" player doing start-stop patterns and the DB was supposed to stay with him as he slowed down and sped up again. The WRs were working on different short pattern drills including catching with another guy's hand in the face.

Next came a round of 9-on-9 - no WRs or CBs. Tony Romo opened with a middle run to MB3 through a nice hole but Gerald Sensabaugh caused him to fumble. Felix Jones went left and followed a nice pull block by Leonard Davis. Tashard Choice ran a draw play through a huge hole in the middle. Jon Kitna gave Choice the ball but Stephen Bowen stuffed the play. Felix had a nice run up the middle and then Alonzo Coleman had a nice run on a delay. Stephen McGee took over and gave it to Coleman for a short run, then Keon Lattimore was stuffed by Victor Butler, and Justin Rogers stuffed a delay. Romo came back and gave it to MB3 who followed Bigg, Marc Colombo and Jason Witten for a nice gain, then MB3 had a good run after cutting off a block of Kyle Kosier, but on the next run Igor Olshansky shut it down. Kitna followed but the first run was doomed by Bowen and Bobby Carpenter, then Kitna dropped the snap on the next play. Felix had an OK run in traffic and was eventually stopped by Jerome Carter and they finished on a nice run by Choice behind the blocks of Doug Free and Montrae Holland.

The whole team reconvened for a session of 11-on-11. Romo handed off to MB3 who had a nice run up the middle, next was a counter roll-out with a short pass to Witten in the flats but Sensabaugh was not fooled and made the stop. Marcus Spears got good pressure on Romo who dumped it to MB3 but Keith Brooking was there for the tackle. They tried a pitch to Felix but Brandon Williams had good contain and Steve Octavien made the tackle. Romo hit Witten on an out after feeling the pressure, then he connected on a long pass to Miles Austin who found a hole in the zone coverage.

Kitna came on and gave it to Choice who made a nifty run through traffic, then he tried a pass but felt the pressure from Marcus Dixon and Michael Hawkins broke up the pass. They tried a run play but Holland, on a pull, collided with Kitna in the backfield from bad timing. Another little reverse roll-out pass connected with John Phillips, and Kitna finished by hitting Kevin Ogletree on a hitch with Orlando Scandrick making the tackle. McGee dumped a pass to Lattimore and then handed it to Lattimore who made a short gain in traffic.

Romo was back in, but Witten had a false start and was replaced by Bennett. MB3 had a nice run after Flozell Adams popped Brandon Williams on the edge, followed by Mike Jenkins making a nice break-up on a pass intended for Roy Williams, Ocatvien had gotten good pressure on Romo. Felix tried a run but Bowen was there to stop him, then they tried another counter roll-out but Dixon stayed at home and blew up the play. Kitna came on and pitched to Choice who had a nice run, on the next play Justin Rogers and Victor Butler met at the QB but they threw the pass anyway, but Hawkins had good coverage. DeMarcus Ware busted up a run in the backfield that was meant for Choice. Rudy Carpenter tried a handoff but Jay Ratliff busted through and caused a fumble on the exchange. Carpenter then tried to hit Mike Jefferson on an out but he ended up out-of-bounds.

After a short break, they came back for another session of 11-on-11. Romo threw a shot pass to Bennett but Sensabaugh closed it out quickly with a tackle. MB3 had a short run before Bradie James stopped him. Bennett had a nice 15-yard catch over the middle, Sam Hurd made a nice catch with Jenkins draped all over him, then Felix ran a pitch play following blocks of Bigg and Colombo. They tried Felix again in the middle but there was no room. Kitna started with an incompletion intended for Isaiah Stanback. He then dropped a shotgun snap halting the play, then John Phillips and Kitna almost collided after Phillips was in motion throwing off the timing of a pass play. Kitna finished with an OK draw to Lattimore. McGee hit Ogletree with a perfect pass but Ogletree dropped it. McQuistan had a false start and he was immediately replaced. (The Cowboys aren't tolerating the false starts in this camp). Under pressure, McGee had to dump a pass to Lattimore.

Romo was back in and ran a successful screen to MB3 who followed a block from Kosier. They tried a dump off to MB3 next but Jason Williams broke it up. Roy made a short catch in front of Scandrick, they tried a draw from the shotgun but Matt Stewart stuffed it. Romo hit Felix short over the middle but Victor Butler popped the ball out from behind for a fumble. Romo finished with a pass in the flats to Lattimore. Kitna hit Bennett on a pass, then tried an off-tackle with Choice but Ware and Ratliff both penetrated into the backfield. Ware followed that up by sacking Kitna. Kitna finished by overthrowing Willie Reid on a deep crossing pattern. Rudy Carpenter then tossed a sweep to Lattimore who made a beautiful cut towards the middle for good yards, then they tried a dump pass but Jason Williams was all over it.

That was it, another practice this afternoon.

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Awww

Still no good things about Holley.

by Damnsammit on Jul 30, 2009 12:01 PM CDT reply actions  

He’ll probably be limited to special teams, which is why… never mind.

by Jordan Sams on Jul 30, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice to see Sensabaugh

doing good things and that guy Hawkins seems to be all over the place.

"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips

by MrMinority on Jul 30, 2009 12:10 PM CDT reply actions  

This Hawkins kid is making plays

I hardly knew who he was going into TC, but so far he’s making the most of his opportunities. But…it’s just the first two days of camp, there’s a long way to go.

by Dave Halprin on Jul 30, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hawkins

He’ll end up being another Oglesby. We’ll all fall in love with his ability only to have one of the draftees being kept ahead of him. He’s probably my top cat this year. I was intrigued by a story I read about him after we brought him in last season.

by sublimezg on Jul 30, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1
He’s probably my top cat this year

Pet Cats 2009: Micheal Hawkins and Isaiah Stanback

by aussie_cowboy on Jul 31, 2009 2:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was saying the same thing...

about Sensabaugh.

~Texas Massacre 08~

by TheHeat on Jul 30, 2009 12:14 PM CDT reply actions  

+1

Sounds like Romo was pretty crisp today..

"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
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by Wmillion on Jul 30, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think qbs need a few practices to shake the rust

obviously this is why you have camp.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 30, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

You must wrestle?

I wrestled a long time ago, I actually wrestled Dwane Jhonson ( the rock) but it was in a collegic olympic qulifier, I won.

I was pretty good but not good enough to beat the olympic contenders.

by Musiccitynorm on Jul 30, 2009 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is Roy Williams there?

great recap grizz!

look, I know it’s been 2 practices, but it sounds like all of 1 pass has been thrown his way in these team drills….seems weird to me.

by stephen1 on Jul 30, 2009 12:31 PM CDT reply actions  

I agree...

…but again, it’s just two practices, and we can’t see what’s going on, so it’s tough to make a judgment. Certainly by this point in previous years, Tony would have logged a ton of passes to TO— you always heard Owens’ name early and often in these 7-on-7 and 9-on-9 camp competitions.

But I’ve only read Demarcus Ware’s name 3 or 4 times as well, so I think it’s probably too little information at this point to be concerned about any one player being uninvolved.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Jul 30, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

T.O.s plays also got noticed a bit more because they were usually deep passes. I think Roy will be fine, and I believe Tony is at his best when he’s spreading the ball around. We have two good TEs and three good RBs. Roy doesn’t need to put up T.O. numbers.

by Jordan Sams on Jul 30, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah

i’m not trying to run around screaming “the sky is falling” based off two practices, and I think that sometimes they had to force the ball to T.O, even in practice to keep him happy, I like the thought of Romo spreading it around to the open guy, and not forcing it. Just thought we’d see a few more catches, I really want him to get going with Romo, then again, Kitna hasn’t thrown him 1.

maybe i’m reading too much into everything

by stephen1 on Jul 30, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hope with time progressing Romo slings more balls downfield

i think only one pass was intended deep for Austin. I’ll be bemused if our offence starts resembling dinks and dunks all the time.

by dcfanz on Jul 30, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I heard one thing real good today about RW

Romo threw him a pass where he was blanketed by coverage and Roy came away w/ it.. Its a start

"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards

by nicholas.rodriguez on Jul 30, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bennett seems to be having a really good TC

How does his blocking look?

Ogletree seems to be a nice surprise as well.

by hiafex on Jul 30, 2009 12:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Grizz is knocking off the rust

and getting into great shape for the season.

Good work, amigo.

Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.

by OskieOskie on Jul 30, 2009 12:37 PM CDT reply actions  

They're hitting already..

This camp sounds like it’s much more intense.

Also, at the first read, it sounds like the D seems to be outplaying the O. It just sounds that way, it may not look that way. Sensabaugh and Vic Butler appear to be good pick ups.

Thanks for the updates Grizz and Aaron

"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams

by Jim Vance on Jul 30, 2009 12:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Also, at the first read, it sounds like the D seems to be outplaying the O.

Agree, but it seems like it’s that way every camp. I love the fact that they’re pulling guys after a false start. Camp cupcake no more!

by Jordan Sams on Jul 30, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't they do that last year?

I recall OLs getting yanked for false starts last year too. Not sure it’ll ultimately make a difference in games— these guys seem to have penalties in their DNA, under both Parcells and Wade, and that’s not changing. Just gotta live with it.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Jul 30, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can’t remember. It looked like Flo wasn’t involved in one today though :)

by Jordan Sams on Jul 30, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Defense

usually gets up to speed a lot faster than OL. I remember Nate Newton talking about it being several weeks before he got into “pounding shape.”

Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.

by OskieOskie on Jul 30, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't get to go today cuz of work.

But I did get some more pics posted from Day 1 on the BTB Facebook page (w/ alby32’s help).

Here’s the link

The season begins in 3...2...

by Aaron Novinger on Jul 30, 2009 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Roy

I’m not hearing much good coming from Roy Williams… He has yet to make one highlight in two practices…. I know I shouldn’t compare, but I remember raf telling us that t.o. Was just an espn highlight real during these practices last season… And yet nothing from Roy???? Hope this isn’t a sign of things to come

by missingthe90s on Jul 30, 2009 12:44 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

don't expect RW to be T.O.

If we can get 800-900 yds and 8-9 TDs from him, that will be great. We have Witten, Bennett, Jones, Austin and Crayton to pick up the rest of T.O.s production.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 30, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

agree

and I’m not expecting him to be Owens… But what I am expecting is to see the much noted “chemistry” that has been absent since Roy came to Dallas… And this far in all ota’s and this far n camp albeit two practices… I’ve heard nothing that suggests Roy is worth what we gave up for him

by missingthe90s on Jul 30, 2009 12:54 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

fans have to realize

that Witten is really the #1 option for Romo and always will be, they have unmatched chemistry that he will never be able to develop with other receivers.

That being said, RW will be productive for us, just not T.O. like productive.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 30, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

but it won't

because he’ll have plenty of other highly talented receivers to go to that will be open, including RW.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 30, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Shutting him down means someone else is open.

It will take at least 2 just to slow down Witten. Some one will benefit.

I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson

by squidlo97 on Jul 30, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

that's not true

I never said his first instinct was to look for Witten. Romo goes through his progressions looking for the open guy and will hit the open guy, however, when things break down and he has to trust someone being open, that guy will be Witten.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 30, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the presnap read is his 1st thought on where to go.

I think the play design will get 2nd look. A combination of these 2.

I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson

by squidlo97 on Jul 30, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's an NFL QB, it's no big deal to go through progressions

So what if they take away his first read, that’s why there’s a progression

by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 30, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Crayton isn't too shabby either though.

He’s still got game.

The season begins in 3...2...

by Aaron Novinger on Jul 30, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Roy better have more yards than TO last year.....TO had TDs but not a lot of yards

Jerry paid RW like a numero UNO.

What kind of Chemistry does Witten and Romo have……………….they kind where they are making up their own plays and not including TO in their reindeer games?

Novacek was always Aikman’s security blanket………………Emmit was the machine that drove the offense and carried us……………seperated shoulder and all………….and Irvin and others were the WRs that gave Troy and the Boys that lovely word Play Action. I actually think RW can be a much better RED ZONE threat than TO was……………….and he has much better hands than TO. I ain’t sure he has the straight away speed that TO had…………….but I ain’t sure TO has that speed anymore either……………….part of TOs issues last year was he wasn’t as open as in years past.

by Jon B. on Jul 30, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

T.O. still has the speed

he just can’t run good routes, beat press coverage and drops too many balls.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 30, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think he gets over 1k

but, I think we are seeing the real Romo a guy who throws to the open WR.

"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
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by Wmillion on Jul 30, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry Terry

but that analysis doesn’t cut it. First of all they are not going to be in the game in the same manner as Owens was meaning that they will not all consistently get T.O.s number of plays. Owens was on the field all of the time to get the production that he got. Secondly, it presupposes that they would all have the same ability to get open the way Owens did which is highly doubtful. Finally, none of them has T.O.‘s experience in pass receiving in the NFL. You have to remember that they now would all have to catch more balls than they would have normally and I just don’t see that as an absolute considering all of their past performances. Let me put it a litlle differently. If Larry Fitzgerald went to Bufffalo, would you say the same thing about the other potential production of the receivers on the Cardinals?

by jevans1729 on Jul 30, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

T.O. isn't Fitzy, which is an insult to him

I’m sorry but it’s your analysis which is way off base as you clearly have an overrated opinion of the most overrated WR in the league.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 30, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who..

Are you saying is overrated? TO or Fitzgerald?

TO can’t do what Fitz can these days

by TLCM on Jul 30, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm obviously saying T.O. is overrated

Fitzy is hands down the best receiver in the league, comparing T.O. to him is ridiculous.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 30, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed...

Sort of…not going to say hands down the best quite yet…

But TO isn’t there at this point in his career

by TLCM on Jul 30, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Calvin Johnson might be athletically more gifted

but in at this point in their careers, Fitzy is a better overall receiver.

Andre Johnson is really good as well, but not as good as Fitzy IMO.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 30, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

The difference...

Is that Fitz has Warner throwing to him….even though he’s ancient now, he’s still a very good QB. Much better than the guys throwing to Andre & Calvin…

Don’t get me wrong, I think Fitz might be the best….I just want to see him play at that level for a few more years before we break out Big Bill’s anointing oil…

by TLCM on Jul 30, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

wow

I just replied without seeing this. Those are the exact 2 receivers I mentioned. Nice.

by sublimezg on Jul 30, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would have to disagree

Andre Johnson is better than Fitz. Physically and stat wise. Moreover, Johson has had consistent play a QB. AJ is like T.O. with better hands.

by quincyyyyy on Jul 30, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Johnson has not been as consistent

Look at their game-by-game logs. Fitzgerald’s consistency is unheard of. He is also much better at staying healthy than Andre, and as they say on F.O., staying healthy is a skill.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Jul 30, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well...

Just to play devils advocate, they actually run the ball in houston. I think Fitz is probably the best in the game, but I definitly think Andre is closer then you’d think.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Jul 30, 2009 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Love Fitz

But I’d take Calvin Johnson or Andre Johnson over him right now.

by sublimezg on Jul 30, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe...

But thats kinda my point…

Those 3 are probably the best out there….hard to go wrong with any of them…but hard to say who’s the absolute best of them

by TLCM on Jul 30, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Fitz might have the nod though I love Andre as well.

Calvin is such a physical freak he is hard to beat but with his back troubles 2 years ago and being such a tall guy he is a big target to hit. I worry about long term health.

I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson

by squidlo97 on Jul 30, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fitzgerald all the way

dude has the record for play off performance. Thats the stat I want, makes big plays when the game is on the line against top teams

by AustonianAggie on Jul 30, 2009 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Andre...

really hasn’t gotten that chance though in the playoffs.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Jul 30, 2009 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd say Fitz is the best

Andre Johnson is a real close #2 .

Calvin Johnson is stranded in DET for now, and only had one healthy season so far. He might eventually pass the other 2 guys mentioned, but not yet.

Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.

by APerfectStar on Jul 30, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why is it

so ridiculous? Over the last three years their stats are quite comprable which is pretty amazing considering one guy is 35 and the other is 25. For example total receptions over this period Fitz has 265 and Owens has 235. Total yds over that period Fitz has 3,786 and Owens has 3,587. In ‘08, ’07, and ’06 Fitz’s avg per catch was 14.9, 14.1, and 13.7. For that same period Owens avg was 15.2, 16.7, 13.9. TDs you say over the same period? You get 12, 10, and 6 for Fitz to Owens 10, 15, 13. So Fitz got 30 more receptions and 199 more yds over that period while Owens avg. per catch was better every year and he scored 10 more TDs. That’s a total of sixty points or 20 points a year. BTW exactly what receiving all time record does Fitz hold? Don’t look it up, I’ll tell you. None, zip,zero,nada! Owens has most most catches in a game with 20. I’m only going include things that would be possible for Fitz to get. Mentioning Owens career stuff would be just piling on.

by jevans1729 on Jul 30, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

However...

I think it would be safe to say T.O.‘s best years have come and gone while Fitzgerald’s may still be yet to come

by TLCM on Jul 30, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because 1 is a shooting star going north and the other is a fallen star headed south.

Because 1 polarizes locker rooms and 1 shutsup and plays. 1 produces with double coverage and the other might.

I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson

by squidlo97 on Jul 30, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

T.O.s career stats

have absolutely nothing to do with how good of a receiver he is currently.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 31, 2009 7:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.

by OskieOskie on Jul 31, 2009 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't put

in T.O.‘s or Fitz’s career stats. However, their last three years provides a solid statistical basis for comparison. No one knows what either will do in 2009 but the last three years stats refute what you stated was a an “insulting” comparison. Do you have any other supporting “facts” to offer to support your position that the comparison is “insulting?”

by jevans1729 on Jul 31, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think you should go by last year's stats

They are obviously more indicative of how good each player is at this time.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 31, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Each player in

the last three years has had some adversity that would affect his normal production. Romo missed three games in "08 which affected T.O’s production and Fitzgerald was injured in "06 which affected his production. That is why I took the three year average. However, even with Romo out three games and surely not a 100% immediately upon his return, Owens went for 69 receptions, 1052 yds, 10 TDs, and 15.2 ypc. Fitz went for 96 receptions, 1431 yds, 12 TDS, and 14.9 ypc. My original point in this discussion was not that Owens was better than Fitzgerald but rather that losing Owens to the Cowboys was analagous to Fitzgerald being lost to the Cardinals. I could have used Steve Smith or Andre Johnson etc. to try to make the same point.

My final analysis still stands as respects the original statment which was that it is not going to be a simple matter of other players like Crayton, Austin, Jones etc. “getting the ball spread around to them” that will replace Owens’ production. Receivers like Owens, Fitzgerald, Calvin Johnson, Steve Smith have game plans set up to stop them. That is their primary importance to the team and why they are highly paid. The Cowboys will now have to show that someone in their wide receiving corps deserves that attention. Spreading the ball around will not accomplish that pressing need.

by jevans1729 on Jul 31, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

you're still overvaluing T.O.

and underestimating the rest of the Cowboys offense. It’s not a good analogy because the Cards, Panthers and Texans simply don’t have the offensive firepower the Cowboys have.

Cards have Boldin, but thats it. Panthers have no other receiving threat, nor do the Texans. You simply cannot compare those offenses with the Cowboys. For example, none of those offenses have two really good TEs, or 3 really good backs and only Cards have a really good qb.

Losing T.O. will not hurt us as much as those other top receivers leaving their respective teams.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 31, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

How am I overvaluing

a guy who who lead the league in TD receptions for a WR over the last three years? Do you remember when Owens got hurt in 2007 and how the offense looked? You are talking about the Bennetts and Austins of the world as the new "saviors’ for this offense? What has Bennett done as a receiver to make him “really good?” Or Austin for that matter? Austin is fast but so was Randall Williams and we all know how that turned out. None of these guys has done anything to command double team respect. That is what keeps defense out of 8 and 9 men fronts.
You say I am overvaluing Owens who puts up numbers but you are saying his production will be replaced by players who have done next to nothing in the NFL. I think you are the one overvaluing players.

by jevans1729 on Jul 31, 2009 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

You keep mentioning 3 years

but his numbers each year were declining. Thats a trend that isnt good for a WR that turned 35.

I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson

by squidlo97 on Aug 1, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

TO at Bills camp

I have attended 2 of the Bills practices. TO has been the show on and off the field. He has made a few great catches and I did not see him drop anything. Also, he has been great to the fans. All that being said I have a distinct feeling that once the snow flies and the temps are below freezing he will not be a factor.

by eightball on Jul 30, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

T.O. is like Jurassic Park

It first starts out with the spectacular “wows”, but ends in terrifying yelling and screaming to get out.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 30, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL!!

I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson

by squidlo97 on Jul 30, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought you were going for a

short-arm joke here.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Jul 30, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh snap.

Terry made a funny. haaahaaa

Superbowl, or BUST.

by .FRoST.USAF on Jul 30, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

outside this blogging community

I am a really funny guy

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 30, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Funny, yes

But looks ain’t everything.

Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.

by OskieOskie on Jul 30, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

he always nice for a season.. :)

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by Wmillion on Jul 30, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol

The season begins in 3...2...

by Aaron Novinger on Jul 30, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good laugh. Thanks

Family, Friends, Cowboys, Beer & BBQ. Life is good!

by CowboyMan on Jul 30, 2009 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was following a live practice Twitter that mentioned RBs cutting inside of Carpenter

for good gains, but it also mentioned he made a couple stops at the line.

I wasn’t there, but it sounds like he is trying hard to shoot gaps, and anticipate plays, but is getting burnt at times by not cover is gap responsibility.
It also read like Choice sure cut up the 3rd string D.

Would that be a fair assessment from a blind man?

by bad knees on Jul 30, 2009 12:47 PM CDT reply actions  

blind or not my friend

we saw him cut up first team defenses last season…. I can’t imagine what he’s doing to scrubs

by missingthe90s on Jul 30, 2009 12:51 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

p.s. Gooooooooood stuff guys keep it up

by missingthe90s on Jul 30, 2009 12:48 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

The connection between
  1. and #4 (11?) – or lack of the connections – could be a big problem. And we gave up a 1st, 3rd and 6th (or was it a 7th) for him. I think we we don’t get 1K yards and 10 TD’s – the trade is a bust.

Just my 2 Cents

STXShooter

I live and die with the Dallas Cowboys

by stxshooter on Jul 30, 2009 1:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Before you get too down it...

I live in the New England area and the Patriots training camps get a lot of coverage on the local news. Two years ago there was a lot of complaining in Patriots nation about the acquisition of Randy Moss. Mostly because he and Brady seem to have no chemistry in training camp; in fact he didn’t complete a single pass to him the entire pre season. Well, then the regular season came and they both set NFL records that year for touchdown receptions and passes respectively.

It wouldn’t surprise me if Romo and Roy have a similar thing happen this year. Not in terms of setting any records but in terms of having a much better season than training camp and the preseason would have you believe.

Demarcus Ware: The Beast of the East.
2009 is Wade's last stand...

by gee-roj on Jul 30, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

We'll know

after the afternoon practice whethe we have a shot.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Jul 31, 2009 6:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

The order for the rings went out

after the ST players completed their stretching excercises on Wednesday.

by One.Cool.Customer on Jul 31, 2009 7:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Crazy formatting

9 and #4 (11?)………

I live and die with the Dallas Cowboys

by stxshooter on Jul 30, 2009 1:03 PM CDT reply actions  

yo

you post on EMB?

I think if we don’t get 1K and 1000 from him then it means we DEFINITELY over spent, but we can still win getting 800 yards, 8td’s, something like that, so I wouldn’t say it was a bust per se

by stephen1 on Jul 30, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think he will get at least 1k yards...

maybe not the 10 TDs but 1k yards, he should

"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards

by nicholas.rodriguez on Jul 30, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Any double TE sets?

I realize it’s early but I it sounds like they’re running a more full back as lead blocker traditional style of offense. Am I wrong about this?

I was hoping to hear more about them running a Joe Gibbs style double TE formation that would take advantage of having Witten and Bennett on the field at the same time. Both of these guys can lead block better than most full backs in this league.

Demarcus Ware: The Beast of the East.
2009 is Wade's last stand...

by gee-roj on Jul 30, 2009 1:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Yes, they ran 2-TE sets

I didn’t count to see the percentage, but they were definitely sprinkled in throughout practice. But they are still using the FB quite a bit.

by Dave Halprin on Jul 30, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

how about we institute a permanent 2 TE sets, will be like

Dolphins last year with their wild cat. Opposing teams will have no idea if we gonna run or pass, we’ll keep’em guessing all the way to the last minute of the superbowl

by dcfanz on Jul 30, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd really like to know...

…how often Flo is getting called out for his airheaded mistakes. Is he back to 100%?

Superbowl, or BUST.

by .FRoST.USAF on Jul 30, 2009 1:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Game Time Counts!

It is nice that they pull them during practice. I think they did the same this last year. Unless they do something during games it may be a band-aid on a broken neck.

by eightball on Jul 30, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is Roy not getting looks because Jenkins is all over him.

I either read it or thought it.(maybe both) I have a real good feeling about Jenkins this year. I think he will be every bit as good as Scandrick was in the slot this year. Roys catch came against Scandrick.

I also think we need to remember you work on what your weakest or newest to at first. That way it gets the most work in camp. Ex. special teams, Bennett and Witten.

I think this practice 2 and it might be premature for the Roy catch count to start.

I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson

by squidlo97 on Jul 30, 2009 1:49 PM CDT reply actions  

very promising

things we all love to hear:

our new guys came to play. I heard sensabaugh and brookings name, along with some of our rookies. thats great news that we can get a few more playmakers on the def side.

our usuals havent lost anything. romo is spreading the ball around. witten/bennett had some good gains. all RBs sound just where we expected. ware is shaking things up.

we get a few surprises like hawkins breaking up passes and hurd making catches in traffic.

also, we have been shown that they are taking the special teams seriously. mcbriar appears to be healthy too!!

by fuji1232 on Jul 30, 2009 1:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Just got a Twitter update from DC.com

Josh Ellis said Matt Jones agent has spoken to the Cowboys as well as 3 other teams…..

by Boyzfan94 on Jul 30, 2009 2:48 PM CDT reply actions  

Great article on Matt Jones (my pet cat)

Was published in Jax’s rag last week.

It's not personal, it's just business

by Fighter15 on Jul 30, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm all for it...

… kid made some mistakes in the past – seems to have a good attitude and accepts full responsibility for his actions. I guess we’ll see what happens further into TC..

Superbowl, or BUST.

by .FRoST.USAF on Jul 30, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmmm...

Hmmm…

If we have one or two Mr.Glass guys again, then Jones could be an option.

A blessing in disguise. Whoever he signs with, I’m kinda rootin’ for the kid.

The season begins in 3...2...

by Aaron Novinger on Jul 30, 2009 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

me too

I always root for the underdog. But only if theyre serious about changing. No Pacmans.

"Let us so live that when we come to die even the undertaker will be sorry." - Mark Twain

by BlueZombie on Jul 30, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was originally not in favor of Dallas picking him up

but I’ve sort of shifted positions. I listened to him in an interview on Sirius yeasterday and thought, yeah, why not?

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Jul 30, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Im leaning that way now as well.

I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson

by squidlo97 on Jul 30, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yup, me too

After some reading up on the dude, I for one do not think it would be such a terrible idea. Probably ain’t gonna happen though, except if we’re hit hard by injuries.

by One.Cool.Customer on Jul 30, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I too wish to board this bandwagon.

"Let us so live that when we come to die even the undertaker will be sorry." - Mark Twain

by BlueZombie on Jul 30, 2009 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Please....

They finally got all the troubled players out the door….please don’t add another one…

by TLCM on Jul 30, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmmmmmm.....

OK Fighter15…

You may be on to something….good article…it did kind of change the way I looked at him….maybe he got it and might be worth a shot….

by TLCM on Jul 30, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

What I really don't understand is why

Baltimore isn’t all over it like sweat on a fat lady. They have like a waterboy lining in the slot.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Jul 30, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL

I can just see Harbaugh on the sideline saying “visualize and attack”

by TLCM on Jul 30, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

The last time...

these guys were together in pads they were getting spanked by the Iggles. It’s been a while. You can expect some mistakes.

I like the way this camp sounds. The talking heads I’ve listened to have said the players and coaches all seem very focused.

I’m not worried about RW either. I’d prefer he be a part of a machine where opposing DCs can’t key on any one aspect. I’m also OK with dinks and dunks… if it works.

I just want our O to march methodically down the field and score on every possession and our D to lead the league in sacks and take-aways. Is that so wrong?

"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams

by Jim Vance on Jul 30, 2009 2:56 PM CDT reply actions  

Hey Grizz

You think you can have someone do like a stock up/stock down report as well. W/ the constant amount of plays going on and not being able to see its a lil difficult to know who is actually doing well, or maybe had a bad play or such

"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards

by nicholas.rodriguez on Jul 30, 2009 3:02 PM CDT reply actions  

+1

These reports are exceptional, but a summary would be a nice addition as well imo.

by Spaceball on Jul 30, 2009 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like this idea

maybe its time we steal something from the DMN, and dare them to say anything!

by Musiccitynorm on Jul 30, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

A reasonable suggestion...

but, and this is not a whine on my part, consider that today I spent 4 hours watching practice, another 1.5 hours or so writing up the two reports, another hour throughout the day reading the comments and responding. And that doesn’t even include my real jobs were I actually make money to live on. I had to do two business calls today (outside BTB) and respond to numerous emails for work. So you can imagine my day is pretty busy. When I get some downtime (maybe tomorrow) I will try to do a summary.

I wish that Raf and I could make a living only doing the blog, but that’s just not possible right now. Although, if you guys help us out by visiting the blog multiple times a day, make comments, browse the photo catalogs, etc. to help us grow bigger and provide page views for more advertisers, maybe one day we could make this our job. So help out any way you can, spread the word about BTB, tell any Cowboys fans you know about the site and visit regualrly.

Again, not whining, I love doing this, but there are only so many hours in my day. ;-)

by Dave Halprin on Jul 30, 2009 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can

do without the summary. Just keep slamming us with the fine detail, Grizz.

Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.

by OskieOskie on Jul 31, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

And I'm spreading

the word about BTB.

Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.

by OskieOskie on Jul 31, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks Grizz!

I don’t want the request to come off as ungrateful, because the work you’re doing here is above and beyond the coverage provided by pretty much every other blog and/or media outlet. I guess it is a bit greedy though, but I can’t help but asking for more when the quality is so high. ;)

by Spaceball on Jul 31, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

The more I think about it

And the more I read about how Roy doesn’t run great routes nor get very good separation I start to wonder if this is going to work with Romo’s new “fewer turnovers” mentality. Roys best asset is being able to beat tough coverage with his size and leaping ability. But you have to wonder how comfortable Romo is just tossing it up and praying Roy comes down with it. Seems to kinda go against what he’s trying to fix. Guess we’ll see soon enough.

by sublimezg on Jul 30, 2009 3:18 PM CDT reply actions  

Sounds like Kosier is back to 95-100%

Good news there.

Hawkins name seems to be mentioned a lot.
Dixon also. I’d really love to see him make the final 53.

Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.

by APerfectStar on Jul 30, 2009 3:19 PM CDT reply actions  

stanback

According to gac(not very credible)
Stanback dropped a lot of passes and bumbed into something outside of his hotel and is walking with a limp. Doesn’t look good for glass joe.

by TONYINCC on Jul 30, 2009 4:08 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

are u serious??lol

I was giving him a week before he ended up on the injury report….just cut this guy already…I’m even leaning toward Matt Jones at this point which I was totally against before.

by Boyzfan94 on Jul 30, 2009 4:22 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

+1

Potential means jack if you can’t stop breaking nails

by sublimezg on Jul 30, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is that the same source

that said Romo pistol-whipped a transvestite hooker?

Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.

by OskieOskie on Jul 30, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes

but that is actually a true story

by sublimezg on Jul 30, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I blame

his OL.

Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.

by OskieOskie on Jul 30, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL!!

I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson

by squidlo97 on Jul 30, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's totally false

he just dumped her outside an IHOP. You guys will believe ANYTHING.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Jul 31, 2009 6:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOL!!

Dunkman if I have time for nothing else I scan for your posts. there is always a gem or two every day. Thank you for not taking everything life or death like the chicken littles.

I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson

by squidlo97 on Jul 31, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's that or sucked into

those flame-war-death-matches. which can happen to me too…

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Jul 31, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Felix the Cat, Marion the Barbarian and Pro Choice

Felix is the 2nd coming of Marshal Marshal Marshal……….he has that outside speed that we haven’t had since Herschel Walker and Tony Dorsett were young and in our stable.

I say we got Thunder Lightning and some steady downpours of rain in this trio and if Garret doesnt utilize Felix like Martz did Marshal then he needs to coach in the UFL.

Let them drive the engine and lets put teams away with ball control clock eating defense defeating drive after drive with the three headed monster. When we need to sling it we got a gunslinger the best TE in football and a good numero uno and bunch of other potentials…………….Miles and Bennet should both have 500 yards or better. Witten and Roy over a 1K each………………MB gets close to a grand as does Felix but jones gets most of his as screens……………Choice makes another 400-600 also plenty of carries and catches.

We need some of those clock eating drives and fast games that BP loved……..and the ones we won with during the Emmit years…………..Troy rarely had to air it out over 250 yards a game………and not very often to win………and when he did he was the model of pin point accuracy and preparedness (take note TONY)……………..

by Jon B. on Jul 30, 2009 4:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Uggg

Don’t totally disagree with you but the second coming of Marshall Faulk… lets pump the brakes a bit.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Jul 30, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

ive been followng the live updates via Twitter

Looks like Jolly is getting some time in right now

by Boyzfan94 on Jul 30, 2009 4:36 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

lol

Jolly…I like that

The season begins in 3...2...

by Aaron Novinger on Jul 30, 2009 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bennett just came up limping..oh boy!

Doesn’t look like anything serious…hope not anyway

by Boyzfan94 on Jul 30, 2009 4:39 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

He and Scandrick were hilarious last night on UStream.

They even had TO on speaker phone.

The season begins in 3...2...

by Aaron Novinger on Jul 30, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Check it out.

Bet he’s gonna be on again tonight.

MartyBTV

It’s cool; they’re just answering live chat Qs, talking music, lashing back at flamers. There was a room check while they were live. Couldn’t see who it was though. Made some fun of RW’s blue spandex tights.

The season begins in 3...2...

by Aaron Novinger on Jul 30, 2009 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe...

Its time to say goodbye to him…maybe take up Fighter15’s idea of bringing in Matt Jones….he has the same potential but can actually stay on the field and has actual experience at WR

by TLCM on Jul 30, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't see why not....

Hell, we could let him return kicks….just put a big bag of coke in the opposite endzone and he’ll score everytime…

I kid, I kid

by TLCM on Jul 30, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not saying you're wrong..

but could you hate the guy any more?

It seems like you’re on a personal vendetta against him.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Jul 30, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

That was music to my ears!

 Covering punts as gunners were Courtney Brown, DeAngelo Smith, Pat Watkins and Alan Ball.
 Not Hurd,Austin+Stanback

by psychodad on Jul 30, 2009 11:52 PM CDT reply actions  

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