Camp Questions: Who is Really Good and Who is Not?
by Rafael Vela on Jul 31, 2009 1:07 AM CDT
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I see signs of premature evaluation: Roy Williams may be struggling. Should I worry?
Sure, just as you should have worried when Leonard Davis allegedly couldn't pass block in '07.
Just the way you should have panicked when T.O. was torching every corner under the sun last year.
Seriously folks, camp is three sessions old. Put on a panic prophylactic and understand the evaluatve problems every camp presents for fans.
When teams go seven-on-seven, there's always a question, when the offense or defense dominates, whether the lead unit is really good or whether the poorer unit is really bad? Sometimes, the answer is neither and both.
Lets go back to '05, in Oxnard. Terry Glenn was destroying Terence Newman and Anthony Henry in camp and lots of people were worred that Dallas' corners, coming off a 6-10 year, were going to suck eggs. It turned out that both corners were really good that year and that the abuse was an early sign that Glenn was going to be a playmaker that season.
Flash forward to last year. Lots of people, me included, brought a preconception to camp that the corner trio of Newman, Henry and Adam Jones was going to be top notch. When T.O. abused the corners in camp, the assumption was that he would repeat his monster '07.
When T.O.'s game jumped onto the side of a milk carton early last October, lots of people began questioning me, as if my gushing camp reports about Owens were lies. They were not. He was destroying everybody. In retrospect, what they showed was that the corner trio was not anywhere near the hype.
Newman injured a groin early and missed most of camp. T.O. got very, very few matchups against him. Jones was hyper-aggressive but not very disciplined. Owens beat him, but we came to learn that good veteran receivers would beat Jones too once the real games began. Henry was in the early stages of losing his top gear.
All Owens proved last summer was that he could beat mediocre corners. There are not many of those starting in the NFC East.
News that Williams is opening slowly is likely being framed -- by the nervous types -- against a background set which assumes the Cowboys corners are okay, but Williams should be great, or near-great. And what if that's wrong? What if Roy is simply facing a very, very good group of corners? We're not going to know until Dallas starts facing players in other uniforms.
We're about to begin day three, ladies and gentlemen. The only news that should make you queasy at this stage involves injures.
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by THEjarhead on Jul 31, 2009 1:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Roy williams
We can get by with an average roy williams, he doesn’t have to be great. If the team plays sloppy, it won’t matter who is at wide reciever. Keeping penalties down, and knowing what your supposed to be doing is more important. Focusing on an individual like the focus on TO last year misses the real reason for the slide last year. The team was sloppy last year and it ended up biting them in the end. The disturbing part to me is that there seems to be a no difference in the camp this year…we don’t need anymore cupcakes
by just4fun on Jul 31, 2009 1:22 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
yes, we can get by with an average roy
but what your not getting is we didn’t pay an average price for an average player. We gave a top ten wideout contract and some really high draft picks that suggests he’s a damn good reciever.. It frustrates me to not hear great things from him, but there’s not much we can do about it now… So this is the endnof my argument about it.
by missingthe90s on Jul 31, 2009 10:15 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, please with the cupcake crap
Was anybody complaining that the camp held them back to 13-3?
Wade’s daddy Bum always used to tell the cranky Houston press, who got on him for his soft camps that, “Houston is not on our schedule.”
And they’re not.
by Rafael Vela on Jul 31, 2009 1:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It won't stop
It won’t stop until players are held accountable, until they are, assignments will be missed, and games will be lost. Reality bites. Reality is that wades teams have faded every year he has coached, reality is that this team has not won a playoff games in a very long time.
If this teams is going to be run oriented you can’t have the penalties like last year, you can’t have the missed blocking assignments.
by just4fun on Jul 31, 2009 1:34 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
~yawn~
this is just so much regurgitated nothing…
1. The players ARE held accountable, what is your proof otherwise?
2. Wade’s had two camps… after the first one, we went 13-3 … after the second one, we went 3-0
3. Parcells Teams faded in December with tougher camps and people said they players didn’t have their legs due to a tough camp. Both theories have their merit.
4. Are you really trying to make a case that Training Camp and playoff wins are related ?
5. These guys are professionals, they spent the last 6 months thinking FAR MORE about that Philly loss than you or I… give them a little bit of credit and assume they care enough and hold themselves accountable enough to work on things and get the job done.
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by DalaiLuke on Jul 31, 2009 1:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we've turned a corner on the accountability page
last year round a third of the way through the season, i was screaming for accounatbility. Coaches were letting only somewhat healthy veteran players play (Barber, Henry), and they were doing a REALLy poor job. Barber was fumbling, Henry was getting scorched. Garrett didn’t use felix in that washington game.
But somewhere around the time of ROmo’s injury, I felt like our coaches just said screw it and went balls out. Our rookie cbs saw heavy playing time as did Choice (in large part due to barber’s injury, yes). We saw Wade use a very aggressive 46 D more often that looked great till the safety play fell through in the baltimore game. This offseason, we’ve cut/not signed Pacman, tank, TO, Ellis and brought in plenty of rookie players who should drastically improve a failing special teams unit. We also fired Reed and brought in Decamillis.
I don’t see how anyone can look at the last 8 months in this organization and say accountability has not been addressed.
by foyesboys on Jul 31, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Agree with your take 100%.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Jul 31, 2009 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't kid yourself
The Cowboys will not be run oriented, they will be more balanced, but as long as Garrett is the OC and Romo is the qb, the Cowboys will pass and pass a lot.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jul 31, 2009 6:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
… and pass a lot to more people than last season.
by One.Cool.Customer on Jul 31, 2009 7:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong
They are gong to run more and try to get to more shorter third downs,
It used to amaze me how Parcells would litrally tell people what was going on and it would still get debated.
Wade himself said in his presser the team was a very good third down team and would try to get shorter third downs and take advantage of the teams strength. He alos said you had to pass to score that running would not get it done.
What this is saying is we are going to run to get in shorter third down situations but were going to pass to try and score.
He told us what is going to happen.
by Musiccitynorm on Jul 31, 2009 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Both of you can be right
Given last year’s imbalance, you can run more and still have a higher percentage of pass plays.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jul 31, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never said they weren't going to run more
and actually I did say that by saying they were going to be more balanced, but we’re not going to turn into the Giants or Ravens, I guarantee that.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jul 31, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we have
a better running game than a passing game, we should emphasize the run. Simple as that.
I doubt Garrett is so hung up on passing that he would ignore a superior running attack.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
by OskieOskie on Jul 31, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
our running game will not be better, simple as that
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jul 31, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
Healthy line, top 2 RBs healthy, and a matchup nightmare with 2 spectacular TEs and we won’t be better?
You need to justify, ’cause your argument is worse than those that say Romo sucks…because.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
by Fighter15 on Jul 31, 2009 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying it won't be better
I’m saying it won’t be better than our passing game. Our OL pass blocks better than it run blocks.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Aug 3, 2009 7:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't they both be good
It’s hard to say one is better than the other, because they compliment each other. Bottom line is they should be much more balanced. Whether it’s 52%-48%, either way, who cares as long as it works.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Jul 31, 2009 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
What is classified as “better”?
You are probably always going to have more passing yards than rushing yards, but I don’t think it’s totally out of the question that Dallas could be rated #7 in rushing and #8 in passing.
In the long run, a better running game would help the passing game anyways. It would set up playaction passes and make defenses creep up to the line more.
I don’t think that hoping for a better running game than our passing game is a slap at Romo, the biggest percentage of superbowl winners have had dominating running games. Not all, but a large percentage.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Aug 1, 2009 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I generally prefer a strong running team
to a passing team because -
- the line tends to play nastier – running requires taking the initiaive, pass blocking is more reactive
- It is easier to run in the bad weather you get November through January/February
- As you point out, when you have an excellent QB and talented receivers, the passing game becomes more potent because teams have to line up for the run – fewer blitzes, safeties out of position for help coverage
- Generally fewer turnovers
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Aug 1, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
All good.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
by OskieOskie on Aug 1, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It also
sustains larger drives which gives the defense time to rest up.
I don’t care about the numbers as far as 1000 this and 4000 that, I would rather see efficiency.
Numbers like 3rd down conversions, turnover ratio, and red zone percentage.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Aug 1, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Argh
This stuff is ridiculous. Can’t believe we’re still talking about it.
Parcells is one of the biggest disciplinarians on the planet, and he didn’t win a playoff game in Dallas either.
Our training camp looks almost EXACTLY like every other team’s training camp right now except the Rams’. Stop with the gut-based, “we need yelling and discipline and toughness!” arguments. Our biggest problem was injuries last year, not a lack of discipline, and hitting in full pads in JULY does not help you prevent injuries.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Jul 31, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And don't miss understand
I think most are not asking the camps to be harder hitting and in 120 degree heat. It’s about knowing what your supposed to do and having consequences if you don’t. Wade admitted that was a problem last year. And nothing seems to have changed..
by just4fun on Jul 31, 2009 1:39 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Miss Understand is having tea with Miss Take.
If ignorance is bliss, many that are panicking early must be downright giddy.
Does Viagra help?
Remember to wear your raincoat!
It's not personal, it's just business
by Fighter15 on Jul 31, 2009 6:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
but how is that a consequence of “cupcake?”
Would this team be better if they beat the snot out of each other every day?
See Parcells last two camps for counterexamples.
by Rafael Vela on Jul 31, 2009 1:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cupcake as in push over
If practice is sloppy they need to get it right, players need to be motivated.
I refuse to put on rose colored glasses and think the team will get better with out changing things that aren’t working.
And parcells only had a good qb one half of a season… He took a losing team and turned it into a playoff team.
Wade took a playoff team and turned in to what we had last year.
by just4fun on Jul 31, 2009 1:51 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
Wade took a 9-7 team and raised it to 13-3 in ’07 with “cupcake”
Why do you elide that?
by Rafael Vela on Jul 31, 2009 1:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The quarterback
Drew bledsoe is how you can explain that.
Romo started the whole year at qb when they went 13-3. Bledsoe was starting much of the season when they when 9-7
by just4fun on Jul 31, 2009 2:17 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
they still went 13-3 with cupcake
And Romo was only 6-4 his first year as starter.
by Rafael Vela on Jul 31, 2009 2:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gentleman, we have to stop pointing to that 2007 13-3 season...
…as if it’s an example of what should be normal for this team; take a look at these teams for example:
Seattle (2005: 13-3)
Chicago (2006: 13-3)
Green Bay (2007: 13-3)
Carolina (2008: 12-4)
These 4 teams like Dallas have had one random great year that was preceded and followed by mediocrity. The entire NFC is up down from one year to the next with nearly 4 to 5 new teams in the playoffs each year. The nature of the conference allowed for Dallas to sneak in that 13-3 campaign as much has anything else. There is no consistently in the NFC and until there is the AFC will continue to win the majority of the super bowls.
That said, I would have to agree that it is way too early to get down on this year’s traning camp. From what I’ve read it doesn’t really sound all that soft (or cupcakey) this year at all. In fact it sounds like there are a lot positives comming out of camp.
Demarcus Ware: The Beast of the East.
2009 is Wade's last stand...
by gee-roj on Jul 31, 2009 7:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 cabillion!
The season begins in 3...2...
by Aaron Novinger on Jul 31, 2009 7:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Non sequitur
The past is seldom prologue, that’s true…but then you bring up random examples to prove your point. Your conclusion does not follow from your argument.
It is much more likely that the same players will return to form after an injury-plagued season…just like Seattle did after Hasselback’s return in ’07.
And Carolina hasn’t played this year yet, so why did you include them?
It's not personal, it's just business
by Fighter15 on Jul 31, 2009 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+2 cabillion!
Pet Cats 2009: Micheal Hawkins and Isaiah Stanback
by aussie_cowboy on Jul 31, 2009 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+ 3 Brazilians
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jul 31, 2009 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take 3...
Giselle types thank you.
It's not personal, it's just business
by Fighter15 on Jul 31, 2009 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you are right..
…in that we simply need to hope for an injury free year to see a return to form, though I must admit that I am fearful of what a return to form is. When a team finishes 9-7 three times in four years it appears to me as if that team’s "form" is to finish slightly above .500.
Injuries are huge part of the game so I have absolutely no illusions of the Cowboys getting though the entire 2009 season without suffering at least one major injury next year. But that shouldn’t matter. The Patriots lost the league MVP and still managed to win 11 games. The Chargers were able to get by the Colts in the playoffs in 2007 with both Rivers and LT on the bench. The really good teams find a way.
The examples I gave are not random but are instead evidence of the fact that the NFC has been very inconsistent, which makes it a lot easier for an average 9-7 type of team to have a random 13-3 year.
I mentioned Carolina because they’re another example of a team that was mediocre (less than actually) prior to an anomalous season in which they were seemingly great. Now it is true that if they come out and have another solid season in 2009 that it will blow a hole in my theory (which will be fine with me because it will mean that the NFC is finally developing some consistency).
Stringing together a bunch of 9-7 seasons with one random double digit wining year will not cut it.
Look at the past 8 seasons for New England for example:
2001: 11-5
2002: 9-7
2003: 14-2
2004: 14-2
2005: 11-5
2006: 12-4
2007: 16-0
2008: 11-5
How about the last 7 years for the Colts:
2002: 10-6
2003: 12-4
2004: 12-4
2005: 14-2
2006: 12-4
2007: 13-3
2008: 12-4
How about the last 5 for the Steelers:
2004: 15-1
2005: 11-5
2006: 8-8
2007: 10-6
2008: 12-4
Those 3 teams have won 6 of the last 8 super bowls and in all of those examples there are only 2 seasons in which one of those teams finished with single digits in the W column.
Demarcus Ware: The Beast of the East.
2009 is Wade's last stand...
by gee-roj on Jul 31, 2009 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting post, what is your point
Not intended to be provacative, the numbers don’t lie. I’m just not sure of the point your making. You’re not a ubiquitous naysayer are you?
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 31, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i understand your point
but what you’re not acknowledging is that those teams you listed in your first post didn’t post winning records in the four year span around that great year. Which is why we are much likelier imo to play at a similar level to our 13-3 year when compared to them
Also, I think the Pats, COlts and Steelers are very good examples of teams consistently winning, not like most of the league. But keep in mind, their divisions aren’t anything close to the nfc east. Those divisions are filled with average teams those 3 beat up on, bumping up their records even if they were only an average-good team that year. The Colts and Pats last year would probably finish with 10 wins or less in this division.
Really, when looking at our team, I think you can only consider the last 2 and a half years cause things have changed so much since Romo took over. In 2007, we had a VERY weak schedule, which probably helped us look so dominant offensively, and we went 13-3 winning some lucky games along the way (Buffalo, Minnesota). Last year, we went 9-7 despite multiple injuries to key players, and don’t forget guys like witten and barber, when they did play, were nowhere near 100%. We had 1 serious oline injury plus flozell essentially limited for a couple games, witten limited for acouple games, barber pretty much beat up for most of the year, jones out the last 3 months and romo out 3 games.
by foyesboys on Jul 31, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're right Raf, the camp cupcake is a myth
If Wade’s camps were really soft, the Cowboys certainly wouldn’t have started out 2007 and 2008 so strong in September.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jul 31, 2009 7:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate this term because it offers a false causal argument
that the team loses because they don’t hit enough in camp.
Bud Grant ran the lightest camps in his day. He’s in the HOF.
Bum Phillips ran light camps and his teams were nasty.
Tony Dungy ran real light hitting camps and he’ll be in the Hall soon.
It’s a nuisance cliche, IMO.
by Rafael Vela on Jul 31, 2009 1:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wade is soft on discipline
That is why he is a cupcake, not because players don’t tackle. He is a cupcake because players can show up late, sleep in meetings and miss assignments with little or no connsequence.
by just4fun on Jul 31, 2009 1:54 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
And you know this how?
Because Dingleberry said so?
It's not personal, it's just business
by Fighter15 on Jul 31, 2009 6:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well said Raf
… to me, it’s “end of story.”
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by DalaiLuke on Jul 31, 2009 2:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree…
… Landry never really ran hard hitting camps in his day either.
Besides, based on what I’ve read they were already in full pads on day 2. That’s not really all that soft if you ask me.
I can care less about how much fire and brimstone a coach might prepare with. Plenty of guys, Landry Dungy, Belichick, Walsh, to name a few have been successful without that approach. What I am more interested in hearing about, from a coaching standpoint, is what types of formations are the running in camp. What types of blitz packages is Wade putting on the field and who is he deciding to play where in those situations.
I am much more optimistic about Wade this year, now that he is fully in charge of the defense.
Demarcus Ware: The Beast of the East.
2009 is Wade's last stand...
by gee-roj on Jul 31, 2009 7:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
Wade is in a comfort zone,
He seems to be much more confident. His pressers for example, a reporter asked a question (that I could not hear) and wade just stared at him like “you dumb ass, your asking me that?” Little things that I see like how he seems to jump at questions and answer them.
He is different in some ways from last year as are a lot of players. I would like to hear some of the guys there’s opinion. Wade really looks like he’s in control to me.
by Musiccitynorm on Jul 31, 2009 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Garrett...
…is honestly the coach I’m more worried about heading into 2009.
The NFC East has won 11 Super Bowls; oddly none of those have come courtesy of the Eagles.
by gee-roj on Jul 31, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And let me add that NOBODY
goes full pads and two a days for several consecutive days anymore.
The league’s practice habits changed across the board after Korey Stringer died from heat stroke ten years ago.
Which makes the cupcake slur even more annoying, because it has no context.
by Rafael Vela on Jul 31, 2009 1:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Your completely missing the point
The context was that if this team doesn’t commit false starts, and holding penalties, they won’t need roy williams to catch 20 yard passes just to get a first down.
In order to achieve less penalties, more discipline is needed. Nobody was saying wade was soft for a light contact camp, he did admit he had a problem enforcing discipline.
by just4fun on Jul 31, 2009 2:03 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I guess we're all missing the point
how ON EARTH do you know the state of discipline in this camp? Further, how do you know about the state of discipline in prior camps, or, in prior camps in comparison to this camp?
So, since none of us understand, here’s your chance to provide us with the facts that you know to be true.
by Joey2zs on Jul 31, 2009 2:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's my opinion
Being that I am a fan and not employed by the cowboys I have to rely on what I see on the field. Last years team looked sloppy and undisciplined albiet talented. And when I read reports of sloppy practices… It’s a little disheartening
by just4fun on Jul 31, 2009 2:22 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
It was high on penalties...
under parcells too.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Jul 31, 2009 5:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember
Parcells saying “this team is to dumb to win” classic Parcells.
by Musiccitynorm on Jul 31, 2009 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When players false start or committ an error, they are replaced for that play.
Wade also fines the max amount for players coming in overweight. And don’t buy too much in to the word “sloppy”. It’s just a word that accompanies the boo-birds when there’s a dropped pass or failed QB/C exchanges. This early in, the passing game is just working out its kinks.
By the time it’s time to roll into Oakland, they’ll have things down better. No worries, unless—as Raf said—there are injuries.
Players are hustling and they all look hungry and like they want to improve and prove themselves as a team. The coaches have them working on fundamentals, which in itself is the only discipline they need.
We should be thankful that our coaches are Xs and Os guys. They don’t need paddles or threats of 220s; they need the players to just keep learning to be where they’re supposed to be.
The season begins in 3...2...
by Aaron Novinger on Jul 31, 2009 7:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Folks miss your point,
because you write so obtusely. Thus, one must read your posts multiple times to discover a point.
by DannyG on Jul 31, 2009 6:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What the heck do you mean by "discipline"?
It’s a word that is thrown out all the time on these message boards but means nothing. You want to bench guys when they commit penalties? So Pat McQuistan starting but not committing penalties is better than Flozell in there?
These aren’t children. They’re adult NFL players. Flozell Adams is going to false start whether you fine him or not— he’s deaf in one ear and has trouble hearing the snap count. Andre Gurode has trouble shotgun snapping— he’s a matured NFL player, he’s not losing that habit now. Yelling at these guys is not going to fix that.
Our biggest problem last year was injuries, not penalties. We lost more player games to injury than any other NFL team. Why is it so hard to remember that? “Discipline” and your other intangibles were not even in the top 5 reasons we missed the playoffs. Execution, injuries, game-planning, etc. These are real reasons teams lose games.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Jul 31, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep you're right, I am worried too that the current players do not execute at a level
to propel them deep in the playoffs, furthermore, I can’t tell for sure but it seems to me that game planning and in game adjustments are inferior to other teams and thats on coaching
by dcfanz on Jul 31, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Priceless:panic prophylactic. Much props Rafael.
I, too, do not understand this “sky is falling” posting after the 3rd practice.
by Benthere on Jul 31, 2009 2:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The sky has been falling for twelve years
by just4fun on Jul 31, 2009 2:25 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
just4fun, clearly you worry about the team's effort...
But we’re talking about the FIRST WEEK of Training Camp, and already you’ve launched into all the old arguments, without even giving things a chance to unfold. When there’s an injury, is that due to poor conditioning? If one of the rookies has two false starts in a preseason game, should we call in the national guard for more discipline?
These guys want that SB ring FAR MORE than you or I… give them a little credit that they’re doing what needs to be done to get there.
And enjoy the ride.
Tar Heels = National Champs in Basketball ... #1 in Baseball ... Top 10 this year in Football?
by DalaiLuke on Jul 31, 2009 2:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I can be a bit of a pessimist
But if you look at what happened to wades teams in denver and buffalo, its all too similar. It’d be nice to see him change. It’s been done before, like with coughlin in NY. And hopefully that is what will happen. But I don’t see this as a player issue, and he doesn’t have to scream or yell. And we fans will only be able to see when this team is faced with adversity.
by just4fun on Jul 31, 2009 2:41 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
A lot of this is on jerry too
I think dan reeves would have brought a whole lot to the table
by just4fun on Jul 31, 2009 2:43 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Dan Reeves
Can we not rehash this issue that might have meant absolutely nothing.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Jul 31, 2009 5:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shoulda, woulda, coulda.
Obviously, Reeves wasn’t committed enough to sign an hours log. Why would you want a guy who can’t committ? A guy who would step on your OC’s toes?
The season begins in 3...2...
by Aaron Novinger on Jul 31, 2009 7:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know its early, but I am really interested in your (Rafs) views on Romo
I remember your camp reviews from the past year or 2, noting that Romo was really sharp, his accuracy top-notch, even going down the field. If you read the camp feedback now, you get a sense that his accuracy isn’t at that level.
I would be keen to get Raf’s objective view if he isn’t throwing as well as prior camp’s or its just earlier in camp or media’s expectations being raised etc…
"Where's Woody? - We need another Darren Woodson
by BoyfromOz on Jul 31, 2009 2:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not at camp so this is based on nothing
Well, maybe a little more than nothing. Why would you be concerned about Tony Romo and accuracy? Guys don’t lose the ability to be accurate from one year to the next. He’s always been very accurate and I would be shocked if that changed. Is his timing off a little? Probably.
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 31, 2009 7:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As far as who's good and who's not
I’m much more worried about flozell adams, he makes too much money to cut and wasn’t playing very well last year. Sure, he was hurt, but that happens a lot when you get old. Would be nice if one of the younger tackles actually showed something in camp
by just4fun on Jul 31, 2009 2:58 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
It wasn't like his injury...
was an “old age” injury. It wasn’t a hamstring or conditioning thing.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Jul 31, 2009 5:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would like to see some better conditioning outta Flo.
In sprints, Hurd was first and Flo was last…dead last.
The season begins in 3...2...
by Aaron Novinger on Jul 31, 2009 7:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The dude is
old and HUGE. And doesn’t really have to sprint very much in games. I can live with that.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jul 31, 2009 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still...
the LT usually has to deal with speedy pass rushers. Colombo is just as big and has taped clubs for hands and knee braces for legs, and he wasn’t lagging for an OL. Flo was about to get lapped!
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by Aaron Novinger on Jul 31, 2009 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He sounds like what we heard about Larry Allen his last couple of years.
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 31, 2009 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That makes me feel better...
cuz LA still earned ProBowl birth in SF.
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by Aaron Novinger on Jul 31, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it shouldn't - Roy 'Thong' Williams made probowl right up until last year...LOL
sorry – had to throw that in there
by McLovin9 on Jul 31, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right.
I hate to say it, but Flo is one of my biggest concerns. DWare is waaaaay to fast for him in practice.
The season begins in 3...2...
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by Aaron Novinger on Jul 31, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Flo doesn't need to run
I just hope he can play at his own average level this year
by AustonianAggie on Jul 31, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Larry also
kept the kicker in line.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
by OskieOskie on Jul 31, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW
Todd Archer said this about Bigg at LT:
But Davis took some left tackle snaps during one-on-one pass rush drills and looked agile. Adams is the key figure to the line, in my opinion. If he can play like he did in 2007 than I think things will be fine. If not, well, just like every team with a struggling left tackle, the quarterback better be prepared.
Intriguing, no?
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jul 31, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He just reads the BTB
At least he reads, unlike so many other mediots.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
by Fighter15 on Jul 31, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do like the getting yanked for false starts.
But, in the end the players need to hold themselves accountable. I think the problem for most teams is the “Me first” players. They don’t understand that you live and die as a team. There is a reason that some of the greatest players in the history of the NFL don’t sport a Super Bowl ring.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
by GunsUp on Jul 31, 2009 6:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Horse Feathers!
Do we want a repeat of RW 08?
I live and die with the Dallas Cowboys
by stxshooter on Jul 31, 2009 6:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I like the tone of this article - too early to get excited or worried
But not being there, I’m dying of curiosity about the rookies and some of the “question marks” …
How soon until we get a summary of: Sense, Brookings, Olshanski, Flo, Kosier/Holland … how about depth at WR? Rookies?
Yea, I’m feeling greedy. I like to read the updates and the details of TC, but I also want some very biased, subjective stuff as well…
Tar Heels = National Champs in Basketball ... #1 in Baseball ... Top 10 this year in Football?
by DalaiLuke on Jul 31, 2009 6:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Right
In a way, this is better for the team. First, it tells me that they are trying new things, which always means they will be out of synch. Second, it it were all going well, it’s human nature to take the foot off the gas a little. These guys instead will have to work through their problems. The focus and repetition will be good for improved execution. When learning martial arts, the worst thing that could happen was that I executed something well the first or second try because the instructor moved on to something else when in fact I still really needed more reps.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jul 31, 2009 7:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A source of reason.
Great article Raf. I appreciate the fact that you attempt to address a current concern by a few BTB-bloggers (RW’s productivity in camp, day 2), by drawing on your observations from past camp. Nice work!
by DannyG on Jul 31, 2009 7:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought Raf's original post was spot on, some of the posts last night were making me crazy
Then when 1 guy asks any type of critical question everybody jumped on him. I understand it’s the time of year when everything is supposed to be positive but you can’t deny the team was sloppy, undiciplined, and unaccountable in the past. To tell people “you’re not there so you can’t possibly know” is BS. Jerry and Bum were both very public talking about they recognized the problem and were going to change things. That’s how we know for sure without being there. We watched their actions of getting rid of players and how they’ve apparently changed how they approach things.
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 31, 2009 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they've made the statement this season
that if you are not what the team wants, you will be cut.
To me, that’s the ultimate discipline.
The season begins in 3...2...
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by Aaron Novinger on Jul 31, 2009 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jimmy Johnson gangsta-style
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jul 31, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last year my mantra was: "have faith, see how the season finishes..."
When we laid an egg, all the detractors here suddenly were far more right than the rosey-glasses (like me, usually).
Now here we are, with a new season under-way, and I’m back to being an optimist. But the truth is that this team DESERVES to be under fire, if for no other reason, than the end of the Ravens game, and the following week’s Philly game.
Everyone is welcome to criticize the team – they’ve opened themselves to these comments.
BUT… stick to the facts. Regurgitating this myth of “camp-cupcake” is not only old and unfounded, it’s tiring. Jerry gave these guys another shot. They’re gonna make the most of it … if you want to criticize their effort, have at it, but just “camp-cupcake” is old news. Even the best teams have poor days of practice. You probably hear that most during the playoffs, something like “we didn’t practice well today, but we’ll be ready … blah blah.” My point is that you cannot make conclusions for one day, and declaring a sloppy practice to be camp-cupcake just holds no water. Or icing.
Tar Heels = National Champs in Basketball ... #1 in Baseball ... Top 10 this year in Football?
by DalaiLuke on Jul 31, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's worse is that the critics won't be silenced until December
Okay, I’ll give that it is “fair”…I don’t buy it and think it’s a logical fallacy…but okay, fine, we won’t know until December.
BUT…don’t just stick to the facts…STFU until December. Since you (the ubiquitous naysayers) won’t be swayed until then, let the season play out and then we can debate after the Turkey-day game. Until then, let optimism reign.
It's not personal, it's just business
by Fighter15 on Jul 31, 2009 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We really won’t hear the end of it until December is through…
And not just on here but from the major media outlets as well. But that’s what a tabloid driven media will do. For the longest time they harped on how Peyton Manning couldn’t win a playoff game. He finally did that and now it’s all about how he couldn’t win a super bowl until he finally did.
Nothing will bring me more satisfaction then to see the Cowboys finish strong this December and win a playoff game; shutting the damn media up once and for all.
The NFC East has won 11 Super Bowls; oddly none of those have come courtesy of the Eagles.
by gee-roj on Jul 31, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or you could just ignore the "ubiquitous naysayers"
It is a blog afterall, STFU has a funny ring to it.
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 31, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
What’s the fun of being a fan if you make yourself misreable looking at the down side of everything?
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jul 31, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I find it amazing
how many people embrace the negative, wallow in doubt, and question every move. And they call themselves fans.
Wouldn’t it be easier to just cheer for another team. Go for the frontrunners, it’ll save you many hours of anguish and stress.
Ohmmmmmmm…Hoosah….
It's not personal, it's just business
by Fighter15 on Jul 31, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We all have our pet peeves
Somehow you translate any question about the Cowboys as embracing the negative and wallowing in doubt. You them deem those people as unworthy fans. I am pretty sure some people find that arrogant and annoying. I do. I still value your posts because you’ve written a lot of good ones. Your opinion is no better or worse than anyone else.
The reality is the Cowboys have under performed and disappointed almost every year since the late 90’s. The 2 exceptions are Parecells first year and 2007. It is very understandable that people don’t get swept away in the first couple days of camp and think everything is rosey. That extreme point of view is just as crazy to me as the ones who think the sky is falling because RW hasn’t lit things up.
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 31, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, but that was never my intent.
I’m not talking about people that have doubts, hell,
- I doubt our OL if we get either OT injured.
- I doubt Tony Romo, but sure hope I’m wrong.
- I doubt Wade will ever be considered a great coach, but hope he’ll get at least one Lombardi…I mean if Switzer can…
- I doubt Redball, but hope that he can fulfill his potential.
It’s not the doubts, it’s the incessant negative slant that some take. And yes, some who think all is well (the Kevin Bacons) are just as annoying.
But I will always side with optimism, especially in the face of irrational pessimists. It’s just my nature (and never meant to offend or belittle). Okay, I’m a little reactionary to Philthy fans, but I never claimed to be perfect or completely without hypocracy.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
by Fighter15 on Jul 31, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't argue with any of that!
If I did, I’d be arguing with myself, those are pretty much the things I’m feeling. Great post.
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 31, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 to all of those posts.
I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson
by squidlo97 on Jul 31, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 Fighter
Isn’t this a spectator sport for fun and enjoyment. I just don’t get the mindset of the fans who seem to do nothing but dwell in the negative. I’m not talking about those who point out areas of weakness on the team, but can appreciate the good to a much greater degree. I count myself and 95% of the BTB’ers in that group.
If something that’s supposed to be enjoyed, instead causes you nothing but worry, disappointment, disgust, etc. Then it’s time to find a new hobby.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Jul 31, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well said Tom
If being a fan is going to cause you consternation and worry all the time, it truly is time to find another passion or hobby.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jul 31, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that's a big deal
I think people read things and have no basis for comparison between camps – is it harder than other years, other coaches, other teams? Repeatedly last year, players who had been on other teams said that Wade ran a very demanding camp, hard-a** guys like Zach Thomas and yet the media persisted with their narrative that Wade was Santy Claus and the whole team was out eating donuts instead of lifting weights. and watching film.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jul 31, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great news that Kosier is apparently looking healthy
It sounded from Grizz’s write up that Kosier was solid in the one on one’s. His health was one of my bigger concerns and so far so good I guess. His return to full strength would be huge.
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 31, 2009 8:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like he can really handle Igor. Whats that say for Igor?
by bad knees on Jul 31, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully just that Kosier has missed him some football.
The season begins in 3...2...
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by Aaron Novinger on Jul 31, 2009 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I prefer to think it means Kosier is healthy and a stud not that Igor sucks
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 31, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm gonna keep my eye on that matchup today.
Sounds like that already may be one of the best TC battles to watch.
The season begins in 3...2...
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by Aaron Novinger on Jul 31, 2009 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The classic training camp dilemma...
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jul 31, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What a surprise....Stanback apparently can't practice this morning
Something with his knee there saying….he’s in street clothes
by Boyzfan94 on Aug 1, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eatman said
it’s a hamstring.
Kid has got to find a way to stay on the field.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
by OskieOskie on Aug 1, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, Raf
So good to see your by-line on a camp piece.
I believe Wade’s “team as family” philosophy is aimed at making players accountable to themselves and each other. If and when that happens, the players will assert the discipline needed on and off the field. It takes the right group of players to make it work, and one outrageously obnoxious prima dona can screw it up. Assuming we have the right players (and don’t have the wrong players) this time, the “all in the family” approach could work out great.
As for this camp so far, because the Cowboys are under such intense scrutiny from media and fans, every blemish is magnified. Time to chill and let the guys get their game in shape. It’ll happen.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
by OskieOskie on Jul 31, 2009 8:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Made me feel a little better
I guess I will have to wait till we play the Raiders in a couple of weeks
by quincyyyyy on Jul 31, 2009 9:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Mike Jenkins is just really good
For Roy’s sake I hope that is the case
by quincyyyyy on Jul 31, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When fans observe training camp,
we should keep in mind that training camp reps are also for evaluation. Coaches will expose players to many different situations to see whether they can handle those situations, and to see whether they can learn to handle those situations.
The coaching staff’s job is to learn what THIS year’s team can and can’t (yet) do.
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
by 24Hz on Jul 31, 2009 9:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Of course it is too early
to come to any conclusions about any player. At this point last year, Evan Oglesby was looking to be the star of the team. That said, RW needs to show that he is a completely different player from last year when he couldn’t get open against #2 corners with no safety help. And he hasn’t stood out thus far. I’m not panicking yet. But it is something to watch for. If he can’t be a #1 receiver, we need to go out and get somebody who can.
And people are already making excuses – like “it doesn’t matter if we have a #1 receiver”. That’s not why we sacrificed the top of our draft this year completely. It’s also not why we cut TO. A working running game requires a credible threat in the receiving game.
I like the way Wade is running camp for the most part. It sounds like they putting more emphasis on fundamentals, avoiding penalties, and on special teams. I would love even more emphasis on fundamentals and tackling (and less 11-on-11 so soon), but you can’t expect Wade to become Jimmy or Vince Lombardi (“This, gentlemen, is a football”). I think he is being as much of a disciplinarian as he can credibly be.
by JimmyJohnson on Jul 31, 2009 9:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My impressions from Very early in Training Camp, through the eyes of a blind man
Thus far in the 2 days of practice the braille script has left me with these observations:
Defensive backs have an edge on receivers.
Ware and Raf are unstoppable
Bennett name shows up more than Witten
Ogletree is pretty good
Romo not quite in his grove
Back up OL can’t match up with anyone
Kitna’s game hampered by Back up OL
Butler, Williams showing up early
Spencer not so much
4th year CB Hawkins doing good things ( is he playing safety?)
Mickens seems to being tested and is giving good showing ( at least always in position)
Carpenter finessing himself into back field, is that why the middle is open?
Austin is absent from camp thus far
Romo needs to trust Williams to out fight/leap for ball
Choice is every down back. Felix and Barber are complements/ situational
Doug Free not getting run over
McQ is not very good in space
Still don’t know whats going on with ST
Rookie CB/Safety Smith only doing ST drills?
There are probably more blind man observations that I haven’t noted, but that’s enough for now.
by bad knees on Jul 31, 2009 9:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Here's a local SA news video link, which includes SamCam.
Also, there’s a sit-interview with Jolley (w/TC highlights)
and part of yesterday’s Q& A with Romo.
The season begins in 3...2...
http://twitter.com/BloggingTheBoys
by Aaron Novinger on Jul 31, 2009 9:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I shant watch this team with ravenous anticipation this year...
This is how one experiences great disappointment.
As I have preached before, we must manage our expectations. Teams may actually take the cowboys down to the wire, teams may actually get across the 50 on our defense. romo and RW may actually have a miscommunication during the season. Flo will actually have some false starts. They may or may not get it done this year. Welcome to the NFL.
I do believe this team can compete with anyone and make a run in the playoffs. In the meantime, those who suggest they need to be under some pressure, that they need to feel a sense of urgency, are probably right.
Having said that, I urge you all not to read too much into camp and the pre-season games. They are certainly not absolute indicators of the way things will pan out.
by THEjarhead on Jul 31, 2009 9:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree. 39 years of watching the Dallas Cowboys has taught me that.
I started following the Cowboys on line around 1996. That’s when I started suffering from greater let expectation, but have learned to take the hype with a grain of salt.
by bad knees on Jul 31, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just found out Joel Bell is available
In need of a left tackle prospect after the trade of Jason Peters, many believed Furman’s Bell would be a worthwhile project as a developmental tackle. However, with 2008 seventh-round pick Demetrius Bell on the roster as a “project” player, Joel Bell’s chances at a roster spot were slim.
http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2009/6/11/906263/bills-release-five-as-mandatory
I wonder why the Cowboys don’t pick him up? He was suppose to be pretty talented OT despite coming from Furman.
by quincyyyyy on Jul 31, 2009 9:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
I’d say go for it Jerry. Sign Bell. They need another OT in camp.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Jul 31, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never heard of the guy, but I would like an extra LT in here.
The season begins in 3...2...
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by Aaron Novinger on Jul 31, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nick Eatman is really optimistic about our receivers
by quincyyyyy on Jul 31, 2009 10:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The reason is he believes Crayton is going to the Probowl
If he couldn’t do it with TO, I don’t see how he does it with Roy Williams… especially if Roy doesn’t step up from last year.
by JimmyJohnson on Jul 31, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe because they plan to spread
the passes around more evenly? Not sure either, but maybe that’s the thought process.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jul 31, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crayton in the probowl? what?
that would be the highlight of his career undoubtably
by AustonianAggie on Jul 31, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't know about pro bowl
but in 07 I thought crayton was a very reliable receiver and romo had a lot of trust in him, especially in red zone situations. Last year Romo looked to me like he was forcing the ball wayyy too much to TO and witten, mainly cause he was under immediate fire a lot due to not so great oline play and he looks there way first. Crayton kinda took a backseat i thought. But part of that may be Romo not trusting him as much after the playoff game fiasco.
We’ll see how it goes. Personally, aside from his loud mouth, I’m a fan of Cryatons game.
by foyesboys on Jul 31, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crayton looks good. Very impressed with him. It's early, but he's looking savvy
getting open…soft hands.
The season begins in 3...2...
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by Aaron Novinger on Jul 31, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guys, for me..
.. this is the time for unbridled optimism. It’s training camp, every good offensive play is done by my team. Every good defensive play is done by my team. We’re undefeated Baby!
I know there are challenges ahead, some set backs will arise no doubt. But right now, we’re Super Bowl contenders and I have high hopes.
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
by Jim Vance on Jul 31, 2009 10:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
“I know there are challenges ahead, some set backs will arise no doubt. But right now, we’re Super Bowl contenders and I have high hopes.”
The beauty is you’re not dreaming or some crazy optimist, we’re legitimate SB contenders.
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 31, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Amen to that! Ever since Romo went under center, this team has gone into every game with a great chance of winning…
I love being an optimist, I don’t fully understand anyone with an extreme case of pessimism – especially for one of the team’s stars like Romo – but I don’t begrudge the pessimists their right to speak, in fact I often enjoy the debate.
This team has as good a chance at the SB as any other team in the NFC.
There, I said it.
Tar Heels = National Champs in Basketball ... #1 in Baseball ... Top 10 this year in Football?
by DalaiLuke on Aug 1, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're out!
I agree completely.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Aug 2, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
None of this crap really matters until Sept 13
Until then, why do people continue to overreact to a few practices? We won’t really know what this team has until mid-October at the earliest. Just enjoy the ride for now.
by Urinal Mint on Jul 31, 2009 1:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Urinal mints smell good.
I want some for my house…if I had a urinal (my dream).
The season begins in 3...2...
http://twitter.com/BloggingTheBoys
by Aaron Novinger on Jul 31, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That really would be cool
now that you mention it.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Jul 31, 2009 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I consider the tree-line on my property to be my urinal.
Tar Heels = National Champs in Basketball ... #1 in Baseball ... Top 10 this year in Football?
by DalaiLuke on Aug 1, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just a question: Does anyone know if Hurd make that grab in the picture posted on the article? Woulda been a hell of a grab.
by sduncan24 on Jul 31, 2009 2:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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