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Romo De-constructed

 

Tony Romo. The mere mention of his name conjures up a multitude of images; QB, celebrity, the fumble in Seattle, the miracle comeback against the Bills, the breakdowns late in the season, the wild play against the Rams, Jessica, no-Jessica, Cabogate, T.O., Witten, Tuna, Garrett, the list goes on and on.

 

Whatever side of the debate (that rages on) about Tony Romo that you sit on, some things about him and his play cannot be denied;

 

The Good

 

Playmaking - Romo’s ability to make things happen is par excellence when compared to his peers. A great deal of that revolves around his mobility in and out of the pocket. He can take a broken or disrupted play and turn it into something magical. Few QB’s in the NFL have Romo’s sense of how to turn defeat into victory on any given play. One thing I have clung to since Romo took over for Drew Bledsoe is that Romo’s presence gives me hope. He gives me hope unlike any other QB since Aikman, and that is comforting in the face of adversity.

 

Accuracy - he can thread the ball into tight spaces. Say what you will about his sometimes careless approach to the game, Romo is a highly accurate passer, as his statistics show, when given time in the pocket. He can deliver a deep ball down the sideline, a crossing pattern to the receiver in stride and a floater in between the LB and the Safety all with the right amount of touch and zip as needed. Few QB’s in the NFL can match Romo’s accuracy.

 

Confidence – is there any QB in the NFL that believes more in his own ability to do it all than Tony Romo? He has shown the ability to forget about horrible, errant throws and slow starts in a way that is reminiscent of that fish (voiced by Ellen DeGeneres) in Finding Nemo with the short term memory loss. He has shown a great deal of resilience in the face of mounting pressure from both the fans and the media to take the next big step. He seems unfazed by negative yardage plays and plays like he’s still on the sand lot, where 3rd and 23 just means another chance to throw for a TD.

 

 

The Bad

 

Decision Making (on the field) – of all of his weaknesses, this generally tops everyone’s list. Romo has not yet demonstrated, in certain game situations, an understanding of when to check down, throw a ball away, or run the ball out of bounds or tuck and duck. Romo’s erratic behavior has, at times, imperiled the team’s ability to win by turning the ball over and putting the defense in untenable positions. Some will say that you have to accept this as part of his “gunslinger” attitude, but most lament the fact that it is easy to point to this as the area that keeps him out of being mentioned in the same breaths as the Roethlisbergers, Brady’s and Manning’s (either one) as one of the best QB’s in the NFL.  

 

Ball Security – not since Daunte Culpepper set the record for most fumbles by a QB in a season (with 23!!) has so much been made of a top-flight’s QB’s ball security habits, particularly in regard to what he does when moving around in the pocket. Detractors snipe at how he holds the ball so loosely, rather than tucking it, when moving around back there. Truthfully, even the most fervent Romo supporters know that he needs to work on and fix this, but, as Tiki Barber showed, it can be overcome.

 

Finishing – it is difficult to know whether Romo’s late-season swoons have been related to conditioning (as was purported on BTB), questionable mental toughness (the notion of football and its importance to him has also come up on this site) or just a team-wide mental block that brings down his individual level of play. Regardless, Romo’s performance has tended to decline in those all-important December contests (note: I reject the idea that December games are against tougher teams because it just seems like a cop out to blame the schedule) and it is no secret that he has not been able to get the offense to peak at the right time.

 

 

The Ugly

 

 

Slow Starts – Romo is notorious for starting slowly in games. Unlike some of his contemporaries, who tend to get up on their opponents early, Romo supporters advocate the theory that he is surveying his opponent, like the first few rounds of a prize fight, before he deciphers their plan of  attack and starts going after their weaknesses. Doubters point to how this keeps Dallas from being able to pull away early and sets the stage for either heroic comebacks or epic 4th quarter failures, neither of which should be a staple for winning organizations.

 

 

Decision Making (off the field) – I wanted to, but just couldn’t leave this off of the list. Romo’s visibility in the non-sports tabloids is higher than any other non-Super Bowl winning QB (although Mark Sanchez may try to give him a run for his money over time). Romo has no one other than himself to blame for this. He has not shied away from stepping on stage at concerts, being a regular on the golf tour, partying at the hippest clubs with high-profile celebrities and I won’t belabor the Jessica thing. This is exacerbated by claims that Romo’s work ethic and conditioning are not those of someone who takes his position as seriously as the past Cowboys greats. Does it matter who he hangs with and how he spends his time off of the field? Maybe and maybe not. Either way, it is huge fodder for the throngs of detractors who see Romo as 60% celebrity and 40% QB of America’s Team.

 

 

Leadership – a lot of how you feel about this topic depends on what you believe makes a leader and where leadership traits come from. Some say leaders are born and others say they are made. Romo has struggled to make this “his team” and nowhere was that more evident than his placating of a certain mercurial Wide Receiver during last year’s feud between the two of them and Jason Witten. While Romo doesn’t have the 1st round pedigrees of former Super Bowl winners, Troy Aikman and Roger Staubach, what he does have is a $67 million dollar contract and the reigns of America’s Team without the aforementioned distractions. He has not shown, thus far, the innate leadership qualities that allow a QB to command the attention of their team in any and all situations.

 

 

Final Analysis…

 

Face it, we are spoiled. We’ve come to believe that our QB has to be Captain America or some semblance of him. We’ve also been guilty of forgetting where we’ve come from. We’ve forgotten about Quincy Carter, Vinny Testaverde, Drew Henson, Drew Bledsoe and Chad Hutchinson. It is not enough to be a Pro Bowl player when you are the Dallas Cowboys’ QB. You have to be the next ‘one’ to lead the team to the Promised Land. Having said that, Romo has to know that he cannot be as erratic in clutch situations, or as blasé about his own poor performances, in 2009 as he was in 2008. Dallas fans want a Tim Tebow-esque very public, visible commitment to the team and to winning from their QB, and thus far, Romo has not come anywhere close to giving the fans what they want. We want the steely-eyed stare of a purposeful leader on and off the field because, well, that is what we have been conditioned to expect from our past glory years…and we’re spoiled.

 

Regardless, this is a defining moment for Tony Romo. Whether you believe QB’s get too much credit and blame or you believe a great player at the NFL’s most visible position can elevate your team’s play, this is Romo’s big chance. He is in the prime of his athletic career and has a solid supporting cast, an ever-improving defense and a locker room made to order. He has a command of the offense and still holds the keys to the City of Dallas. He may never again have the opportunity that lies before him. The table has been set with great expectations from Tony Romo. Now, he has to deliver, and that means he has to win, in December…and beyond.   

 


GO COWBOYS!!!

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At the end of 2009, the main thing we'll remember about Tony Romo's performance will be that he
developed into a smarter QB with fewer turnovers
245 votes
continued to be the gunslinger with fans taking the good with the bad
110 votes
saw his performance decline from a lack of a gamebreaking WR
20 votes
made more news off the field than on it
12 votes

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I’m one of the only people not worried about Romo. He’s a great player and will continue to play at a high level. A lot of the bad stuff is just media generated garbage that opposing teams fans latch onto. Once he gets a couple of playoff wins under his belt, all the negativity surrounding him will disappear. We just have to be patient.

The defense is what I’m most concerned about. I’ve seen Romo make a ton of mistakes, but I’ve never seen him just give up, like I saw our defense do this past season. If they can stick together as a unit and play at a high level late in the year, this team can make a deep playoff run.

by DoomsdayD75 on Aug 12, 2009 11:40 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Question

Are you not worried about him or are you just MORE worried about the defense?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 12, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, I'm not worried about Romo.

He’ll be fine, our o-line and defense are what worries me.

by DoomsdayD75 on Aug 12, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Precisely stated:

Romo is not the problem; if there be one, the strength up the middle of the defense or the lack of depth on the o-line are more likely candidates.

by Iowacowboy on Aug 16, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I picked that he will be a Smarter QB with fewer turn overs

Not because this is what I think will happen, but because this is what needs to happen regardless of the players around him. It’s way to early to know, but this is my wish for him and the Dallas Cowboys this year. If it doesn’t happen for whatever reason, I would have to be put into the camp with the Naysayers, I am currently on the fence, this is a pivotal year for him in my book. This is a team game, so he doesn’t have to win a play off game or even get to one to make me think better of him; all he has to do is be a Smart QB.

by bad knees on Aug 12, 2009 11:55 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'll de-construct this post as follows:

Non-issues/invented tabloid fodder:
Decision Making (on and off the field). Which decisions?Are you only counting the picks or did you add in the amazing plays he made in a millisecond to win games? I don’t ascribe it to decision-making. I ascribe it to making mistakes in ball security. And that category is already covered. Off-the field… geeze. First, show me the pile of evidence that he (1) shirks work (2) that anything he has done off-field has impacted on-field and (3) show me how his time at work and off-work compares to other players in the NFL.
Leadership. Pure, 100% USDA Red Herring. Not one person on this blog knows a single thing about his leadership ability because we see nothing, zip, nada. On the other hand, coaches and fellow players have said that he leads by example and this year he has become more vocal.
Half-Truths/Half-issues:
Finishing. Who isn’t finishing strong? Is it Romo or the whole team? This one can’t be demonstrated yet after only 2 and 1/2 seasons, but I don’t lay this at Romo’s feet entirely.
Real stuff:
Slow Starts. No idea why, but it takes him 2-3 series to get into the groove. Wish he’d figure this one out.
Ball Security. He needs to fumble less and check down more.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 12, 2009 12:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree dunk

Their decision making off the field is complete BS and is not an issue whatsoever.

Brady can become a movie star and thats okay, but Romo dates one and plays golf and is criticized. Complete garbage.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 12, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's be clear

Because I’m not saying anything that hasn’t been already said by others, the issues I listed (regardless of your personal bias) are the ones the larger NFL world criticizes/applauds Romo for.

So while you might say, for instance, that his work ethic isn’t an issue, the fact of the matter is that is HAS been surfaced in the public eye and now becomes part of what Romo has to contend with as a professional. It is another piece of the holistic thing that will be his legacy of Romo once he is done.

The point is that his task is extremely difficult because of his team’s visibility and his position on that team, but made even moreso by what you called the “tabloid fodder”. I’m not saying I agree with it, but it wouldn’t matter either way.

You can be dismissive of it or you can come to grips with the reality that is life in a media-centric world.

It is what it is.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 12, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

tabloid fodder isn't reality

So I’m dismissive of it, absolute meaningless nonsense.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 12, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude

How can you dismiss ESPN?

What else is there for you to do with your time in PA?

;-)

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 12, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No NFL Live?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 13, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I only watch the NFL Network

and movie channels like HBO and Showtime in the offseason even though I have like 900 channels to choose from.

I know it’s pathetic, but it is what it is.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 13, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know how to respond to that

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 13, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As if it wasn't enough that his name was ROSIE

geesh!

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 13, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He ended up on a lot of opposing RB's and QB's

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 14, 2009 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

With all due respect, you can't be serious about BSPN as a reliable source.

Their bias for and against certain teams (pro football and other sports) are so blatantly obvious.

Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/

by silverblue5 on Aug 13, 2009 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not how I see it

As I said before, that all sounds like whining to me.

But it really doesn’t matter, does it? I mean, you’re not going to try and use BTB as a platform on which to hype one sports media outlet over another, are you?

Some people like Fox News and some like CNN. Both have “leans” and I watch them both.

I love the media and how new media technology keeps us better informed, more aware and constantly in the know. But what I love even more, is the fact that both of us can CHOOSE which outlets we like or dislike.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 13, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just to think...

Media used to just report facts and let the viewer make their own opinions about them. Now we don’t even have to make our own opinions because they tell us how to do that, too!

by Damnsammit on Aug 14, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The media hasn't been that way since Walter Kronkite reported from Vietnam

Where have you been?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 14, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reality and perception are not the same

and it’s unhealthy to confuse the two. I don’t find it useful for me to even consider things that are surfaced to the public eye when they are done without knowledge of the situation and when those who have knowledge state the opposite as true. As a discerning fan, it’s incumbent on me to be dismissive of those things that are exaggerated or invented to sell to the public. So while Tony may be forced to hear about those things, I am and should be completely dismissive unless I have good evidence to the contrary. Jeff Garcia and Troy Aikman were rumored to to be gay for a while (not that there’s anything wrong with that) and that turned out to not be true based on the evidence. They never confused perception with reality and no one else should either.

Romo is not a perfect QB by a long shot. In my mind, I don’t think he can ever become a Brady or a Peyton Manning. But he is now and should continue to be an excellent QB capable of helping his team win. His flaws include several of the things you mention and probably some that you and I don’t even know about. For example, turns out he wasn’t opening his hips enough on crossing routes from his right to left, causing some throws to off target. Didn’t know that before he mentioned it.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 12, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, of course you are right, it IS the Season of Hud

After all…

;-)

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 12, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is a 3 Fat Tire conversation...

Invariably, you will get into a discussion of WHO’s reality and WHO’s perception matter more.

A. You don’t like the way the media is portraying Romo. I get it.

B. You choose to dismiss it as a result. I get that too.

C. You are in the minority as a result of A & B. I hope you get that.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 12, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You've missed my point

Some things in the media are probably false. Some things are probably partially true. Some things are probably true. Something are unkown outside the team.

i am only dismissing those things that appear to have no basis n fact and/or have been contradicted by better authority. You elected to use some of those dubious points in your deconstruction. For example that Romo doesn’t work hard. Yuo include that because some in the media have said that. And you defend your inclusion of that by saying that it’s believed by many so it must be included. Of coure that’s a way of looking at it, but considering that the head coach and other players – to a man – say he works as hard as anyone they know, I think your using it was to reinforce a bias, not to get at some semblance of truth about the player.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 12, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well said dunk

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 13, 2009 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And about perception

it does matter whose perception and reality mean more. I take notice of perceptions and statements from people who know (coaches, owner, team mates) and far less notice of people who don’t know but have a vested interest in selling a point of view, the more controversial the better (media for example).

We all choose whose perception we are going to buy – “Hmmm… Stock advice from my twin brother the successful broker, or maybe from Joe, the car wash guy. Hmmm.”

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 12, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The same insiders who said there is no T.O.-Romo-Witten feud?

Those sources who eventually decided to cut ties with T.O. after the media broke the story that the inside sources downplayed?

Sorry Dunk, we’ll disagree on this one because fandom clouds judgement (even mine sometimes) and it’s not productive.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 12, 2009 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What does that feud

have to do with your point? That one I put into the “May have happened” category but since parts of it were denied, I doubt the whole thing was accurate.

You’ve tried turning my point of view into a strawman argument – that I reject everythng the media says that is critical of Romo. Not only have I not said that, i don’t believe that. My “fandom” isn’t clouding anything. I entertain all forms of criticism of Romo that have some basis in fact. If there were rumors that Romo had trouble throwing in cold weather, I’d be skeptical. If he showed up in practice wearing a throwing glove, I’d start believing it. If he or his fellow players or coaches said “Tony’s hands are sensitive to cold” I’d believe it completely. I’m just not going to buy into all the silliness that the media spins – Jessica, Cabo, golf. That’s all crap until shown otherwise.

You are treating fact, rumor and innuendo as all equivalent.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 13, 2009 6:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wonder why he doesn't were a glove?

Given the amount of fumbles, I would almost speculate that he may have some issue with his grip or something and feels more comfortable without i, not that the majority happened in cold weather; I just don’t know. One would think that over the years of throwing in cold weather he would have at least had try using them and found it not to be to advantage.

by bad knees on Aug 13, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interestingly enough, I distinctly remember him wearing gloves against the Saints in 2006. Of course, that wasn’t one of his better games so maybe gloves is a bad idea.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 13, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Scratch that, it was a preseason game I was thinking of.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 13, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, but I am advocating the idea of 'where there is smoke, there is fire'...

The argument is very simple;

If you only believe everything that is fully vetted and coroborated, then you don’t believe much.

If you account for some degree of fact in the rumor and innuendo that surfaces, then you’re taking a slight leap, but not one that one would consider outlandish.

Finally, if you believe everything you hear or read, then you really love the media.

I don’t shut anyone down for where they are in that general continuum in the way you are. In fact, I think having people who sit at all points on it makes for much livelier and interesting discourse.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 13, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you only believe everything that is fully vetted and coroborated, then you don’t believe much

This is very true, but the Romo Fanboys don’t even apply this consistently. Any whisper of a Pro-Romo story is gospel truth, and anything disparaging needs thrity witnesses, affidavits, videos, etc.

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Aug 13, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL @ Affidavits!!!

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 13, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

not a Hater in the least

just not yet ready to enshrine Romo in Canton.

I am such a fan of TR that my dog is named Romo. I want the guy to reach his full potential. I just don’t think he is there yet, and when I see stories that question his commitment to the game it worries me.

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Aug 13, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As it would any fan of the TEAM

maybe not so much for fans of the PLAYER.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 17, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

very true.........

just because you give an honest critique(opinion) of certain players, doesn’t qualify you as being a hater. In fact, many times it’s quite the opposite.

by texstar on Aug 17, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

even if more credible sources

say they’re not true?

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 18, 2009 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why do you think those other source are more credible?

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Aug 19, 2009 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

because they know Romo

the sources blings references do not, it’s all hearsay.

Coaches and management know Romo and they don’t have a bad thing to say about him.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 19, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Badmouthing our own players isn't a winning strategy

You know that teams try to manage that kind of thing inside the locker room.

The fact that some people choose to believe ONLY the positives about a team member while chastising those who ponder anything even remotely negative from the news media on that subject is myopic and narrow-minded.

Those type of fans would fit in nicely in North Korea. I’m sure Kim Jong Il would welcome the unwavering support in the face of the MSM’s erroneous portrayal of him.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 19, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I ponder many things negative

that are legit, like ball control and decision making issues on the field.

Anything else is myth and made up.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 19, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Come on you really belive that off the field BS has absolutely positively no effect on his on the field the performance?

I am going through a breakup right now, and it F&$^%ing my sh&t up now The idea that your boy is impervious to such stuff is silly.

You call anyone who criticizes Romo a “hater.” From this point forward, I am calling you a “fellater.”

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Aug 19, 2009 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry to hear that

I hope the Cowboys’ play makes it less painful.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 20, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hypersensitivity to criticism

…draws more criticism.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 13, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I’m pretty sure that’s exactly what I said – thirty witnesses, affadavits, and videos.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 13, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You said
First, show me the pile of evidence that he (1) shirks work (2) that anything he has done off-field has impacted on-field and (3) show me how his time at work and off-work compares to other players in the NFL.

I think that was what he was referring to in a comical sort of way.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 13, 2009 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Once again

you’re constructing my argument the way you’d like it to be, not the way it is. I simply want more evidence than something some reporter suggested with a wink. If people were judging me, I would certainly ask for at least that much, but probably more – I’d want them to actually know something about me before they passed sweeping judgments on my character.

And I also don’t understand where you get the idea that I’m “shutting people down”. I am simply looking for some degree of evidence before I believe statements like “this guy doesn’t work hard” or “he’s not focused on playing football”.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 13, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay...
Not one person on this blog knows a single thing about his leadership ability because we see nothing, zip, nada.

We see what we see, Dunk. It may not be enough for you (and that’s fine), but I see a tone in your posts that is somewhat mean-spirited when you don’t see the “affidavits”.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 13, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then there is my reality, which of course is the only one that is really true.

It doesn’t pay attention to tabloid jurnalism, but is still on the fence as to whether he can use his gun-slinger attributes to change the plays he can make and and hold onto or throw away the ball on those he can’t and the wisdom to know the difference between the two.

by bad knees on Aug 12, 2009 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

To respond to your last point, it is simply perception. For you to come on here and make your points using the majority opinion of Romo as your point within itself (in other words because the majority believe it, it must really be a problem) completely contradicts your title. When you say you are going to “de-construct” someone or something, that phrase implies that you will do so with objectivity and by emphasizing truths. In this case, the closest to the truth you can get are the comments from his teammates and by the simple action of examining his story. In other words, really ask yourself if an undrafted free agent would be able to become a Pro Bowler if he did not have an exceptional work ethic. I hate to bring up golf and other sports, but could Tony be so gifted at basketball, golf, and of course football if he didn’t have an exceptional drive to be great. It amazes me that you question those things simply because he has been spotted at clubs and dated a celebrity. I think you should reexamine your own view on Romo and really try hard to use more truths rather than the ideas floated out there by third party tabloids.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 12, 2009 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No...

I didn’t give any degree of credence to these things. At the same time, I did not dismiss them out of hand. What I did do, is point out that the public’s perception of anything and anyone can create additional pressures for, in this case, Romo.

Hopefully, if you re-read the post, you’ll get that. If not, I appreciate your right to take up a different perspective based on how you see it.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 12, 2009 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here’s the thing though, I would only agree with your premise if the reports lead to additional internal pressure on Romo. In other words, only if the Cowboys recognized those factors as contributing would I buy into the fact that Romo has additional pressure put on him by those perceptions. And since I don’t see Jerry asking Romo to lay low, and I don’t hear about the Cowboys warning him not to play golf, I find your assumption to be false for the moment. It could change, but for now I simply will not make that leap.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 12, 2009 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm, you really think they would ever do that?

And if they did, do you think it would get out?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 12, 2009 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Considering Jerry put a gag order on the team, I don’t doubt he would do that if he thought it helped the team (I seem to remember him drug testing Quincy Carter). And since Tony was playing golf with the seal of approval from Jerry, I still maintain my previous position.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 12, 2009 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tony was playing golf with the seal of approval from Jerry,

I am going to need an affidavit from Jerry as proof of this

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Aug 13, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly my point

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 13, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're not in alignment with yourself

The problem as I see it is that the above article is that the prelude to your list states that “some things can’t be denied” and then proceeds to list 3 good traits, 3 bad and 3 ugly. By stating that they cannot be denied you are not presenting them as popular opinion, but rather, as fact. As you have tried to defend your article you have shifted from presenting them as facts to presenting them as prevailing opinion. If that was the intent the prelude should have stated instead that “some opinions prevail:”

by Kansas Cowboy on Aug 18, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some things CANNOT be denied

They were not ALL traits, and I’m not sure why anyone would construe them as such. Nothing in the text suggested that, so I think you misinterpeted.

Again, I am pointing out the things Tony has going for him AND against him. Some were about his play on the field, and some were not. I was simply motivated to write about the things that are generally considered the most pervasive when it comes to Romo.

While you can argue the relative values of any of the things I listed, you would be hard pressed to say that he doesn’t have to overcome some of the things people label as “off-field perceptions” as well as the ones we call on-the-field realities.

Hopefully you see why I feel perfectly aligned (a few cricks in my neck notwithstanding) in the post.

As far as opinions, everyone has one, and who is to say whose prevail and whose don’t? I welcome yours.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 18, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

work ethic

5Blings, do you know what the source of the story about Romo’s practice habits was? I don’t remember anything negative ever being said about his practice habits until after the Pittsburg game last season. In fact, until that time his practice habits were always praised.

I don’t know this for a fact but I suspect that it was Terrell Ownes who went to a media person then, under the cover of anonymity, spread the story about Romo having poor practice habits. One of the things in that story was that Romo was forcing throws to Whitten in practice. Sort of like what Ownes was complaining about after the Pittsburg game.

Just because some story is published in the media-centric world, as you say, does not mean the story is true.

You wrote: Finishing – it is difficult to know whether Romo’s late-season swoons have been related to conditioning (as was purported on BTB)
Posts on bogs are usually someone’s opinion, are you quoting someone’s opinion as a source? How would any of us know whether or not Romo’s late season swoons were related to his conditioning? He never looked out of condition to me.

by geth13 on Aug 13, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Geth, here's your answer

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/012009dnspocowlede.3f77524.html

and the blurb from the article;

"According to five sources, several offensive players lost respect for Garrett for his failure to corral quarterback Tony Romo in practice. Romo, sources said, often forced throws in practice and often did not treat practice work consistently.

The quarterback’s practice habits were so bad, sources said, that they affected the way he played in games and could have factored into the offense’s problems. "

In short, no. I was not using an opinion from a blogger.

Hopefully that helps?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 13, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree too, dunkman

One extra comment regarding finishing. Romo played well in the playoff loss to the Giants. Can’t lay that one on Romo at all.

"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin

by 24Hz on Aug 12, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

By what standard did he play well?

If it’s by stats, then he did not play well, as he only had a 50% completion percentage and 5.6 yards per attempt, resulting in a 64.7 QB rating. In comparison, “the bus driver” Eli Manning’s rating in that game was 132.4.

If it’s by results, well, the team lost.

If it’s by eyeball test, I saw him throw a horrible pass to a wide open TO that would have been a touchdown, forcing them to settle for a field goal. How much did we lose by?

by Baked Potato Soup on Aug 12, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're right about all of that,

but I don’t think you can say Romo caused that loss all by himself (not that you’re saying that, I’m just clarifying my point).

I don’t think you can judge his game by a horrible pass just like you couldn’t judge his game by one great pass. I don’t think you can say that the 50% completion rating was all Romo’s fault. I remember really poor play by the WR’s.

The results stand of course, and the Cowboys lost. But as always it’s a team effort. It’s the team that hasn’t finished the seasons well. Romo’s a part of that but it’s not all on him.

"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin

by 24Hz on Aug 12, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is about how I feel as well

If the line plays poorly, the QB will look like a clown just as quickly as if he actually IS a clown. If the defense puts the offense in tough spots or the WRs fail to play up to the situation, then the team fails and the QB looks bad again.

I always say this and I think it’s true – you measure individuals by stats and teams by wins. Romo needs to improve in multiple areas but among issues on the team, he’s not even close to the top of the list.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 12, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really Dunk? I doubt Romo measures himself by stats

and it’s a good thing for our team that he doesn’t…

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 12, 2009 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes really

I didn’t say that Romo or other players do. I’m not Romo, so I get to judge him and other players by more than winning. It’s pretty logical, really. A single player cannot win even one football game. They really control very little individually, but they have the greatest influence over their own actions and performance, and diminishing levels of influence over others’. So it would be absurd to only judge a player on the things they have the least influence over and ignore the things they do.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 13, 2009 6:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure Dunk and Terry aren't one and the same...

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 13, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just step back

and admire the bRomomance

by I_miss_Switzer on Aug 13, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

we are card carrying Romosexuals

and proud of it! lol

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 13, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you can't argue the point

attack the person. Well done. And thanks.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 13, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry if you found that offensive

I was kidding, of course.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 13, 2009 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You meant to say...

“he is stylish like that”

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 15, 2009 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So you can choose the way YOU judge Romo

…but others should be chastised for listening to anything on ESPN or any tidbit that is critical of him that doesn’t have tons of empirical evidence.

It must be nice to be you.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 13, 2009 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Romo is entering his prime

His best years are yet to come.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 12, 2009 12:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

So I'm guessing you guys picked None of the above

I just noticed there was no real positive choice to pick. Shame on you Bling! Regardless of what you think of him you have to accommodate the Romo faithful, and the Romo Homers…………….. Not thinking of anyone in particular.

by bad knees on Aug 12, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no, I picked he'll continue to be a gunslinger

which IMO is not the bad thing everyone seems to think it is.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 12, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

me too

I just don’t see Romo signifcantly cutting down on his turnovers. INTs are gonna happen. HOnestly, if he cuts down on his fumbles by a couple, and makes the right play and on those one or two plays a game brings the ball down, that will be his transformation into a “smart qb”. Hes not THAT turnover prone.

by foyesboys on Aug 12, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cut fumbles in half

and a few more throws into the stands. He is never going to be a 6 INTs a year type.

The frustrating thing about the fumbles is it seems like it requires such a simple, fundamental adjustment, and would result in dramatic improvement. Very few players of his level have such an obvious and correctable flaw.

by I_miss_Switzer on Aug 12, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Romo's career int % is slightly on the high side

at 3.5% but that is still lower than Ben Roethlisberger (3.6%) and Staubach (3.7%). Of course, it was ostensibly harder to pass back in the 70s.

To his credit, Romo’s int percentage has decreased every year, from to 3.9% to 3.7% to 3.1% last year. So that’s good. But he’s still way behind other reputable NFL QB’s like Peyton Manning (2.8%), Tom Brady (2.4%) and McNabb (2.1%).

On the other hand, Romo has the highest TD% among active QB’s by a pretty sizeable margin. And he’s 10th all time!

by DavidH22 on Aug 12, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for your research!

It will be interesting to see what happens this year with Romo. Staubach’s worst passing season from 1973-79, when he was the unquestioned full-time starting QB, was his second full year: 1974.

Wonder if Romo will also show improvement in his third full year? (Like Romo, Staubach’s first full season was outstanding.)

"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin

by 24Hz on Aug 12, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Staubach's picks

drove Landry NUTS.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 12, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe that's why Staubach kept throwing them. . .

"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin

by 24Hz on Aug 12, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So did Steve Pelleur's

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 12, 2009 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Any QB's picks would drive any coach nuts

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Aug 13, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another thing I like about Romo

is he’s a downfield thrower…maybe it doesn’t mean anything, but I hate QB’s that run “dink and dunk” offenses. They seem like pussies to me. Last year, Romo averaged 25.2 yards for his 26 TD passes (22.3 yards for his 81 career TDs), and only threw 4 TDs from inside the 5-yard line. Compared to someone like Tom Brady, who threw 16 TDs in his record setting season of 2007 from inside the five, or McNabb, who threw for 12 of his TDs from short distance. I know those numbers don’t really mean anything, and some would say it’s even harder to throw a TD from up close, etc, but I’ve always been biased against dinkers and dunkers, ever since Joe Montana in 1981.

by DavidH22 on Aug 12, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think that will change in 2009

His main downfield threat is gone. This will likely be a more controlled passing attack.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 12, 2009 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree

Romo will throw down field to Austin as much as he did to T.O., he’ll pick his spots of course, but we’ll certainly not going to all of a sudden become a west coast offense.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 13, 2009 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh sure...

Because Austin has already proven how durable and productive a downfield threat he is.

If you think Austin gets as many throws as T.O. did, I think you’ve jumped off of the Romosexual pier and the lifeguards have a big white jacket waiting for you when they fish you out of the water.

One thing is certain; Witten will get bracketed by a LB and DB on every passing down and teams will force Romo to do what you say he will do.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 13, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No Way Austin gets as many passes as TO

That would defeat the purpose of cutting TO loose.

One thing is certain; Witten will get bracketed by a LB and DB on every passing down and teams will force Romo to do what you say he will do.

You might be right, but if Marty B is half as good as he appears to be, that will last for two games at most

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Aug 13, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

not true

Teams aren’t that dumb to double team Witten because Bennett and the rest of the WR corp will hurt them bad and I mean really bad.

Witten will have his best year yet, catching close to 100 balls for over 1,000 yards and at least 10 TDs

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 13, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You mght be right about Witten

The only way that does nothappen is injury or Bennett is so damned good that a lot of balls that normally go to Jason go to Marty B

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Aug 13, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think we already have a bet on this, don't we?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 13, 2009 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A sixer of my favorite beer versus some watered down PA ale of yours

You said Witten will have a career year and I said his #‘s will suffer due to T.O.’s absence.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 14, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok, now I remember

I’m going to win this easily, Witten will be an unstoppbale force this season

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 16, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Regardless of the outcome

I win.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 16, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

-1

It’s exactly what teams did when T.O. was hurt.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 13, 2009 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Theres a world of difference between this team and that tem

Felix, Bennet, an improved Austin not to mention ROY WILLIAMS. Teams would be stupid to play us that way.

by foyesboys on Aug 13, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We have to prove we can make them pay before they worry about Bennett, Felix or anyone else

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 13, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and I never said Austin would get as many throws as T.O.

 I just said Romo will continue to go deep like he always has and when he does, Austin will more than likely be his target.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 13, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, you did!
Romo will throw down field to Austin as much as he did to T.O.,

It would be nice if you took a little extra time to figure out what you’ve already said before you say something else.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 13, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

throws down field, not overall throws

so actually I didn’t

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 14, 2009 7:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As opposed to laterals???

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 14, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think we caught a glimpse of the new offense

on the second series against the Raiders.

Zero plays over 20 yards.

Timing route, reverse, run, etc.

That’s the new plan.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 17, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You might be on to something there

Dallas players may end up being poor fantasy picks, but will likely end up winning a shit-load of games.

by One.Cool.Customer on Aug 17, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 17, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree Terry, Given the personnel, I think our offense would benefit from becoming more West Coast like.

Maybe not all out, were we would rather pass on 1st down for the 5 yard gain; but maybe South West Coast or Gulf Coast were we have do not rely on the big play as last year, but do mix a strong dose of our talented running back in with the short to intermediate passes to methodically move down the field.

by bad knees on Aug 13, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe...

That’s a big question – has Romo’s great statistical performance of the past three years been most attributable to having T.O.? McNabb and Garcia had their best seasons statistically with Owens, so I am holding my breath on this one.

But Witten is a tremendous downfield threat, as is Martellus. For a so-called “possession” or slot-type receiver, Crayton has averaged a very healthy 14.3 yards per catch for his career. I suspect that Roy Williams and Auston will also provide some long-distance targets, and who know, maybe Felix will line up as a receiver some times and catch some nice downfield passes, or at least some screens that go for big yards.

We’ll see…I can’t wait!

by DavidH22 on Aug 13, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

TE's don't score 38 TD's in 3 years and average 1300 yards a year.

This is a new offense.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 13, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm

I thought the first two were more than adequate options in that the first was very positive and the second could be construed as positive…

What others would you have suggested?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 12, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me personally? I'm fine with them

As for others, IDK, maybe: He didn’t need to change a thing it’s always some one else’s fault!

by bad knees on Aug 12, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's crazy!!!

:-)

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 12, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Terry is special, isn't he?

;-)

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 12, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am very thankful to have Tony Romo as the Dallas Cowboys' quarterback

As I’ve said before, the only NFL QB I’d trade him straight-up for in Roethlisberger.

Football is a team game. Look at Roger Staubach’s 1971 postseason numbers. He threw for 321 yards in three games and was sacked 10 times, yet because he had a defense that gave up 18 points TOTAL in those three games, and because he was able to hand off to RBs like Duane Thomas, Walt Garrison and Calvin Hill, he was able to be part of a Super Bowl champion.

Luck also plays a part. Jerry Rice has a 60 yard TD called back on the opening drive of the 1992 NFC Championship game because of a ticky-tack penalty, maybe if that doesn’t get called then Aikman doesn’t get to the Super Bowl that year. But Romo has receivers drop easy passes or a lineman that committs an egregrious away-from-the-ball penalty to kill a big gain, and that’s HIS fault?

I will take the big-play potential of Romo any day. I always feel the Cowboys have a chance to win with him at the helm. I never really felt that way with Aikman, to be honest. Yes, cut down on the fumbles and win some late-season games. Once those things happen I’d like for the naysayers to shut up. Please.

by DavidH22 on Aug 12, 2009 1:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

100% agree

Even on the trade for roethlisberger part, aside from the off the field stuff. Which at this point is becoming a serious issue.

by foyesboys on Aug 12, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

By the same token....

I never feared Aikman would miss a wide open receiver in a big spot like Romo did when he missed Austin against the Ravens. While Aikman could be a dinker dunker (the ‘93 season finale comes to mind), his YPA was up around 9 during those championship playoff runs. Now I agree Aikman can’t even dream about Romo’s pure improvisational skills but Romo doesn’t possess the kind of pure accuracy Aikman did either.

by MadMick on Aug 19, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, do you remember what Novacek said about Aikman?

He used to stick something ( a cup or can-I can’t remember what) on his head and Aikman would drill a football on target every time. Now that’s trust. Can you imagine getting hit in the head with a football? That would hurt.

by texstar on Aug 19, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do agree that Aikman is more accurate than Romo, but Aikman’s accuracy was out of this world. I can remember that Madden used to call Aikman the most accurate QB he had ever seen (or at least one of them). So, while Aikman was more accurate, I don’t think it is unreasonable to say that Romo is a very accurate QB. I just remember watching him in 2006 when he came into the league and being amazed how much touch and accuracy he could throw some passes with. In fact the first time I was sure the Cowboys had found their QB of the future was in his second game against the Redskins when he lofted a ten yard TD pass to Terry Glenn, who was running a crossing route. I was just amazed how he floated the ball right to where Terry was going to be despite putting all that air underneath it.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 19, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's different

Aikman threw a very tight-spiral and could throw a hard out with much more velocity than Romo ever will. In fact, it became a staple in the aerial attack. In fact, it scares me to think

On the other hand, Romo throws a much better deep ball and touch pass out into the flat. Aikman never seemed to be able to drop a deep ball into a WR’s hands or float one over the top of a LB to Barber the way Romo has shown he can.

Both should be considered extremely accurate in their own right, but with different strengths.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 20, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Off-field decision making?

You’ve gotta be freaking kidding me. What Jerry Jones literally owns him? What, can he do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING but throw footballs every minute he’s awake until he retires? He plays some GOLF and had a GIRLFRIEND, get over it.

Your argument just went completely out the window, stop watching ESPN.

by ChrisRichey on Aug 12, 2009 1:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 12, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Everyone watches ESPN, including you, so why don’t we end the ESPN bashing. It just seems so whiney to me and anyone else who isn’t thin skinned about such things.

Whether you, Terry or I like it or not, Romo’s personal life has become what Parcells told him not let it become. As such it is fodder for the media. Again, it wasn’t my doing, it is his.

Just calling balls and strikes as most of the world sees them.

Sorry my choice of TV stations wrecked your day.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 12, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok, stop listening to the talking heads on ESPN

And you said it yourself, it’s media fodder. Nothing more.

by ChrisRichey on Aug 12, 2009 2:19 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Again, that just sounds like "Don't say mean things about MY quarterback!"

You want to label yourself as enlightened because you ignore them when they say something you don’t like? fine…lots of people live in their own heads afraid to join the rest of us who brave the cold, hard world.

I certainly won’t fault you for it.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 12, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are a trip

Don’t try to label me as anything, don’t even begin to make this personal.

You’re choosing to get caught up in BS high school drama, good for you.

Romo dating Jessica had nothing to do with us missing the playoffs last year. Romo playing golf had nothing to do with us missing the playoffs last year.

You’re delusional if you believe otherwise.

Have a nice day, I’m done arguing with you.

by ChrisRichey on Aug 12, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sure you are right about everything you said

Unless you’re completely wrong, in which case, I’m not sure what you would or could say.

But as you said, you’re done with this.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 12, 2009 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don’t pay this dude too much due. He is on record as saying that he thinks Kitna will replace Romo by midseason and that Kitna gives this team a better chance to win big.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 12, 2009 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, this posted in the wrong place. This was meant to go on Cowboy Louie’s post. I don’t know what happened, but even 5 Blings doesn’t believe this.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 12, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL @ Louie

Well, at least you know where he stands on the issue.

;-)

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 12, 2009 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's still meaningless

with respect to Romo being a good qb.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 12, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe

..but maybe not.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 16, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

meaningless

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 16, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't watch ESPN

I either read articles online or get news from NFLN. I refuse to watch the crap that they put out (except for Monday Night Football.)

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by DC_fan on Aug 12, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heard one of your pieces online today

Nice work, keep it up!

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 12, 2009 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

But you probably want DC Fanatic. I’m not that talented.

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by DC_fan on Aug 13, 2009 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oops...my bad

LOL

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- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 13, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I respectfully beg to differ

I watch NBA TV, MLB channel, and NFL Network more than I do BSPN, The Turdwide Feeder of $#!T.

And for the last two years — especially — i don’t trust BSPN when it comes to Cowboys News, Analyses, and Speculation.

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by silverblue5 on Aug 13, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

100% agree

Chris, I agree with you 100%. Way, way, way, way too much is made of Romo’s off-field issues. People who complain about his dating, his golfing, & even the trip to Cabo are simply not dealing with the issues that really matter.

by geth13 on Aug 13, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What are those issues in your mind?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 13, 2009 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was asking Geth the question

I’ve been on BTB long enough to have written YOUR version of the answer for you.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 14, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

this post has a rather negative slant

The decision making off the field point is ridiculous. There are far far worse players in that department than Romo. I would put that in a “dubious middle” category.

Slow starts is valid. Romo seems to warm up around the 2 minute drill before halftime most games.

Leadership is BS as well. Read those articles from the win after the washington game and tell me these guys don’t believe in Romo. Read what these guys were saying in 2006 and 2007. He obviously lifts this teams spirits, and they’ve played far better with him than any qb before him in the last 10 years. Theres a good argument in that he shoud’ve been more assertive when we were watching tons of miscommunications last December, but i think you’re exaggerationg by puting this in “the ugly” column. I’d again go with a “dubious middle” category

Ball Security and FInishing are both bad, agreed.

Decision making – you can’t bash him without giving him credit for all the good decisions he does make. The large majority fo the time when other teams blitz, Romo makes the right read and decision and gets it out. Hes one of the leagues better qbs at this. And i don’t have a problem with his int numbers, that comes with a qb of his nature. Fumbles are definitely a problem, as you said, he needs to learn when to tuck it. But again, I think this would be more of a “dubious middle” category.

And while i agree that his confidence is generally a positive, we’ve seen things snowball out of control. The buffalo game and the Eagles game last year come to mind. But the fact that after 3 disapointments in a row, hes getting back, working early with Roy, and generally being that same guy we’ve seen for the last 3 years is heartening to me.

by foyesboys on Aug 12, 2009 2:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 12, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

also, what a lot of fans fail to realize

is that guys like Roethlisberger fumble and throw INTs just as much as Romo, but because they are surrounded by a better team, they’re mistakes are either ignored or forgiven.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 12, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i've had this argument with you before when it comes to Ben

and I’m not gonna go there again, but suffice it to say that Ben generally doesn’t make those same mistakes when it comes to playoff games. Of course, neither has Romo, who very well may just have had bad luck in 2006 and 2007. But he is equally as turnover prone as Romo in the regular season, agreed.

As of now, I love both of these qbs (aside from Bens off the field stuff, which seems truly nasty compared to Romo), but Ben gets the edge just because he has won the december/january games. I know football is a team game, and Romo generally hasn’t had much luck in the playoffs in that department (I’m looking at you, Jacque Reeves, Terry Glenn and Crayton), but wins have gotta mean something.

by foyesboys on Aug 12, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ben didn't win those games, the Steelers did

I personally have yet to see a qb win a football game. Generally, there are 10 guys on the field with him and last time I checked, they don’t play defense.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 12, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Disagree

Although he did ZIPPO in Super bowl XL. That’s not a touchdown and everyone knows that. Even so he still was terrible.

Super Bowl XLIII though…he showed the leadership and communication to win that game.

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by SSreporters on Aug 12, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seahawks haven't been the same since

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 12, 2009 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

one player cannot win a football game

Ben needed his OL to block, his RBs to run, his receivers to catch and his defense and ST to play well.

To say one player can win games is simply ridiculous and nonsense.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 13, 2009 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

but some players hae a greater impact than others

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Aug 13, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And maybe THAT is the correct answer

I think you nailed it.

Marcus Spears is never going to be a big reason Dallas wins or loses a game, but Romo sure as heck will be.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 13, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is it ironic that you picked a player who was blown out of the hole that lead to one of the infamous Baltimore runs?

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 13, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

Because that never happens to any other DE, ever.

I think it was the first time in NFL history that a DE was blown out of a hole for a big run.

I’m sure they’ll run it on a loop in Canton.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 13, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just pointing out the irony that the one player you said will never be a big reason Dallas loses actually was a real contributing factor to a loss. I wasn’t trying to start a “Fire Spears” post or anything (like some of your supporters are doing for Romo) due to one play. I was simply pointing out the irony. I actually sensibly believe that we win and lose as a team.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 14, 2009 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, if you want to Fire Spears, I'm fine with it...

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 14, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with that 100%

QBs obviously have a greater impact, but to make blanket statements that a certain is better than another qb because he won more games or more playoff or SBs, is nonsense.

The correct phraseology would be to say a qb lead his team to a win or was a part of a championship team. That’s a huge difference from saying he won those games as if no other teammates had anything to do with the victory.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 13, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Semantics

You know what he is trying to say.

The fact is the QB is the most important position on any team, in addition to being the team leader.

Where we still have a sticking point, you and I, is how a great leader can lift their team’s mental and physical performance.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 13, 2009 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh no, not this again...pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeze nooooooooooooooo

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 12, 2009 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can always count on Terry,,,,,,,

to be Romo’s personal body guard-LOL

by texstar on Aug 13, 2009 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's why we love him

We need the Terry’s of the world to balance out the haters. It’s the beauty of having such varied opinions about a subject, despite the fact that we’re all bound by a single tie…we want the Cowboys to win.

It’s a beautiful thing.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 13, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly, if Romo continues to play the same way he did before the Arizona injury

and im disregarding after that because he did not look accurate at all to me, not like his normal self…if he continues to play that way, I’d be surprised if we don’t at least get to a superbowl in his tenure as a cowboys qb. If he takes the next step and cuts down on a couple turnovers that are in his control and doesn’t let players influence him the way TO did….he and roethlisberger could own the next 5-7 years of football.

by foyesboys on Aug 12, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wasn't intended to come off that way

Regardless, I think the issues as I’ve laid them out are valid from the everyday fan’s view of Romo (which is indeed shaped by things in the media) and in terms of what Romo’s challenges are.

The risk that anyone runs when pointing out things from a balanced perspective on a fan page is the kind of subjective interpretation you’ve made.

Again, I’m not saying you are wrong, but I wonder if someone who wasn’t a die-hard, true-to-the-star fan as yourself would agree. Said differently, I wasn’t trying to write a ‘Why we should support Tony Romo in the face of negative media’ fanpost any more than I was trying to write a ‘Romo is a bum’ diatribe.

From one man’s perspective, these are just positives and negatives that comprise Tony Romo. Viewed as negative by a big time fan? Okay. Viewed as too complimentary by a Giants fan? Okay too.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 12, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no i understand that

But I think its fair to say the media doesn’t accurately portray much when it comes to this team. The criticism on this site is generally far more accurate than ESPN. For example, I think the large majority of us question the oline and Garrett most when it comes to this offense,but on ESPN its all about Romo. Why give them credit for influencing the average fan who doesn’t watch every game of this team?

by foyesboys on Aug 13, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because a mass media outlet always has to cater to the masses

and focusing on the things that will drive ratings works.

Romo drives ratings largely because of his very public image (his choice) and his team.

I can’t fault ESPN for that. The fact is, most who say they don’t watch are lying through their teeth.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 13, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As it is his choice to go on stage and sing out of key at a concert, date Jenny Craig's #1 pupil and jet to Cabo on the bye week

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 14, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i don't know about other people

but i haven’t watched an ounce of ESPN football coverage for about a year now. Especially when it comes to Dallas. The only thing I watch is the monday morning highlights. NFL live is a godawful show, they are wrong so often and on so many occasions even when it comes to teams other than dallas.

Regardless, my point was more that your posting on this blog, almost all of these posters know the general mainstream media BS when it comes to this team, I guess I agree with your post when it comes to the average fans opinion on Romo, but why bother posting that?

by foyesboys on Aug 14, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because I choose to live in a world where everyone has a voice

Even those to weak or too small (in the eyes of some) to warrant it.

If you think long enough about it, you’ll realize that those are the principles this great nation was founded upon.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 14, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sometimes it's better to have people think you're an idiot

than to post and remove all doubt.

:) Sorry, softball was just sitting there.

He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson

by Fighter15 on Aug 14, 2009 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And here I thought you'd given up on me

You realize people are going to start saying you have an abnormal fixation on me, don’t you?

And you know what that means (not that there’s anything wrong with it)…

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 14, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes or No

I really want to know if you really believe that who a QB dates has any affect on his performance?

QBs dating head cheerleaders (there’s a joke there somewhere) is as old as football. The list of famous girls dating QBs is long and distinguished.

You really can’t believe the argument you’re presenting. If you do, I’ll no longer worry about responding.

He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson

by Fighter15 on Aug 14, 2009 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How much clearer can I be?

I’ve said on multiple occasions that what happens in a person’s private life can bleed over into their professional life.

Stress affects a person clinically, psychologically and physically. That stress can come from any number of places.

To assume that Romo feels absolutely nothing when he gets harrassed about any or all of his girlfriends, his trip to Cabo, his practice habits or his conditioning is, in my opinion, the view of a pretty small minded person.

And, BTW, with no disrespect to your massive “Fighter ego” intended, you’ve made a horrible mistake if you think anyone loses sleep if you stop responding. But we know the truth, don’t we?

You can’t help yourself.

Now, wait for it…

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 15, 2009 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is much more in doubt outside the Romosexual community, my friend

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 16, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no it isn't

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 16, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Big Ben is a good QB, but he gets too much credit. They won the first Super Bowl in spite of his awful 22 QB rating. How many times has Romo brought the Cowboys back on the final drive to win.? Romo has an excellent QB rating for the 4th quarter, which is amazing for a so call “choker”.

My favorite semi pro teams are the Eagles and Giants

by RealAlbertEinstein on Aug 12, 2009 3:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

What's his record in December-January?

He’s clutch and an elite QB from September-November. Then when it really gets down to business he has games like he did in Pittsburgh.

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by SSreporters on Aug 12, 2009 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You never said that about a game where Romo played extremely well

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 13, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thats because he's played exceptionally well in many games

which is the norm for him. The Steelers game was the only time one of his turnovers directly lead to a defeat. (and I’m not counting the Seattle playoff game because he fumbles as a holder, not a qb)

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 13, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damn right he's played exceptionally well in many games

over a 100 rating 22 times in 2.5 seasons (19-3 record).

But he’s been under 70 rating 9 times (2-7), which averages out to about 3 clunkers a year. Let’s get that down to one a year.

by DavidH22 on Aug 13, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But don't let those facts cloud the vision of those who drink the BSPN koolaid.

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by silverblue5 on Aug 13, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think the Pittsburgh and Baltimore or even Philly game were aberrations

I think they were in fact the manifestation of what the Cowboys really were, or more accurately were not; and that was, not yet ready to rejoin the ranks of the truly elite teams of the NFL. I mean I hate to say it, but in my mind it was true, and I am anxious to see exactly were we rank this year. Players being healthy will help, as will better O-line, and defensive play. I am as always hopeful, but sadly the past decade has made me a pessimist.

by bad knees on Aug 13, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

Romos had a few godawful games in his career, but I think we’re making too much out of the end to 2009, when he was paired with a team whose stars were far from healthy (felix, barber, witten all hurt or out) and with iffy oline play against some flat out great defenses.

With a completely injury ravaged team last year, 4 of the 5 losses we suffered with Romo were to the conference finalists.

by foyesboys on Aug 13, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

At the end of the day, the only relevant question is, is Romo The Man?

My first reaction was to write something like “well, you have to take the good with the bad” and mumble some homer stuff about how Romo will kick everybody’s ass this year blah blah blah.

Then I read the post again. And immediately began digging through the stats to wage an all out statistical war in defense of our QB. Luckily for all involved, I then re-read the post one more time, and abandoned that thought, as I surprisingly found that 5Blings’ “Final Analysis” part did resonate with me.

Couple of thoughts:

Yes, we all want Romo to be Captain America at the very least, if not the second coming of Aikman/Staubach combined, and the only stat that truly counts is the ring. And yes, this year would be a really good year for Romo to help us to at least one playoff win.

However, this is not by any means the last chance for Romo to make it. Don’t forget, the Superbowl will be in Dallas in 2011. Watch out for JJ and the stunts he will pull to make absolutely sure he has a contending team in place for that year. I firmly believe that the masterplan for JJ is not this year but next, and Romo will remain a key part of that plan regardless of what happens.

Finally, and this is the key question for the Cowboys, and one for which anybody outside the team does not have the answer: Does the team, do the coaches and does management trust Romo enough? There have been all sorts of public proclamations about that, but deep in their souls, do they think Romo is THE MAN? If so, all is set. If not, well, I’m not even going to follow that train of thought.

by One.Cool.Customer on Aug 12, 2009 4:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Why won't you follow that last train of thought?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 12, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Because hope springs eternal in the human breast

by One.Cool.Customer on Aug 12, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And Jessica has two beautiful ones.

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by silverblue5 on Aug 13, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think that the bottom line is he has to have playoff success and get into a SB for

him to measure up to the greats like aikman and staubach. I think the msm just makes the flaws in his game more pronounced; think about it. What if the media loved romo, what if they saw him through rose colored glasses and he could do no wrong. Would his flaws be so noticable, look at his current situation 3rd year starter, 39 games played; if the msm was in love with him then they would be using the “maturation” angle instead of “it is make or break”. I just think that the endless Romo will he or won’t he arguments have been born because of the msm view point. Romo is feeling the brunt of a fandom and media that has sat through 12 or 13 years of no post season success; whether or not that is fair it is very real and I am sure he is absolutely aware of what is at stake. If Romo performs well, does all that he can but as a team they do not succeed then I think he can handle next year even though the scrutiny will be even higher. But on the other hand if he falters and the team packs it in, the msm will double down on the “can’t win the big one” angle and depending on how he handles this year he could start to lose some of the lockeroom.

Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!

by cowboy78 on Aug 12, 2009 7:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I have no quarrel

with any of this.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 12, 2009 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice post 5Blings

With the exception of the off the field nonsense (you should have followed your gut instinct and resisted including that tabloid journalism stuff) it was a really good break down.

I think Romo has been asked to carry the offense too much in the past. He’s got all the tools to be great, but dropping back to pass over 35 times a game usually ends badly, for any team.

That’s why I’m expecting his mistakes to drop this year. Romo-Friendly offense = dedication to running the ball, more 2 TE sets, letting him throw screens, moving the pocket, letting him roll out, faster developing plays, etc. The camp reports seem to fit with what Wade and Jerry have been promoting all off-season.

Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.

by APerfectStar on Aug 12, 2009 10:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

For the record, I am hoping to see him get smarter and more aware. I think this team is not built for the downfield game that T.O. opened up for them. But as I have said previously, that may be just what the doctor ordered.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 12, 2009 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is great point
dropping back to pass over 35 times a game usually ends badly, for any team.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 13, 2009 6:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree and think this team has to change the mix

In a previous post, I pointed out how Dallas has great success when running the ball early and often.

Then again, a lot of that rests on the O-Line’s health and performance.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 13, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

THE SEASON OF HUD!

BTW, great pass protection on that second drive last night.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 15, 2009 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am glad to see that you have gone to personal attacks to defend your argument. It really shows how worthwhile that argument is in the first place.

I do have a comment though. Back when the majority of people thought the world was flat, I am glad that Columbus didn’t join the “cold, hard world.” I am also glad that Galileo didn’t join the “cold, hard world” that thought the sun revolved around the Earth. Simply because the majority of people believe something, doesn’t make it true.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 12, 2009 10:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Dude, have you ever BEEN to Texas?

It’s flat. Trust me.

Kidding aside, I think people just have to get past the fact that the same kinds of barbs that get fired at Donovan McNabb for not being able to reach elite status without a ring are now being fired at Romo.

Some people don’t care that he’s a multi-faceted guy (golf, girls etc.), some do. Some don’t care about questionable decision making (i.e. Cabo) and some do.

The point is that outside the confines of this blog, Romo has to contend with the issues I’ve laid out, regardless of how much or how little truth-value any of us assign to them. I actually think it puts more pressure on him than is warranted, but hey, that is the cold, hard reality of Romo’s situation.

These things will never become the non-issues that some posters on here think they should be until he leads this team to a breakthrough.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 12, 2009 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

See my above point.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 12, 2009 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So...you haven't been to Texas?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 12, 2009 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Born in Dallas. I believe that qualifies.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 12, 2009 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Outstanding Analysis

Great job 5Bilings. You have accurately laid out the issues. Unfortunately, too many bloggers on this site choose to conveniently ignore the very real negative issues surrounding Tony Romo, but the other 99% of the football world that doesn’t look through blue and silver glasses sees the situation for what it really is.

You have come to the correct conclusion: “Regardless, this is a defining moment for Tony Romo. Whether you believe QB’s get too much credit and blame or you believe a great player at the NFL’s most visible position can elevate your team’s play, this is Romo’s big chance. He is in the prime of his athletic career and has a solid supporting cast, an ever-improving defense and a locker room made to order. He has a command of the offense and still holds the keys to the City of Dallas. He may never again have the opportunity that lies before him. The table has been set with great expectations from Tony Romo. Now, he has to deliver, and that means he has to win, in December…and beyond.”

AMEN. No more excuses. This is Tony Romo’s season to deliver. No more December choke jobs. ALL the talent is in place, again. The Cowboys management has chosen to unequivocally make this HIS team because he couldn’t harness the mantle of leadership on his own. Either get the job done or find someone else who might be able to. If you cannot deliver a playoff win in six seasons (or will 2009 make it seven….I’ve lost count), then it is unlikely that you ever will.

I truly have no idea how this will play out in 2009. It is going to be a fascinating season.

by Cowboy Louie on Aug 12, 2009 10:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Are you suggesting that romo be replaced if the team fails to achieve post season success then

romo by default should be replaced? You do know the reality of Romo being replaced in the next two seasons after this one is probably the earliest the team would consider that option. I think that it is no reasonable to count the 1st two to three years of his career against him, he was an UDFA, other than Brady you do not have one that was able to come in as a rookie and become a starter, how can you indite romo for seasons he did not play in or have any affect over?

Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!

by cowboy78 on Aug 12, 2009 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don’t pay him too much due. He is on record as saying that Kitna will replace Tony midseason and that Kitna gives us a better chance to win.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 12, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I meant "not reasonable"

Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!

by cowboy78 on Aug 12, 2009 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I did not mean to imply that Brady came in as a rookie, I do not know for sure, but I believe he had at

least one to two years before bledsoe got hurt; and Brady came in due to injury to bledsoe not because he was the clear cut option.

Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!

by cowboy78 on Aug 12, 2009 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brady was in his 2nd season

And (I’ve read) that Belichek was already thinking about making him the starter even before Bledsoe was injured. Don’t know if I believe that or not.

Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.

by APerfectStar on Aug 12, 2009 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I bet that is revisionist history by BelliCHEAT to make Brady feel good...

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 12, 2009 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think we've discussed this before...

…but it’s been a few weeks since the massive “Romo pros vs. cons” thread, so I guess we needed to refresh.

Romo will be fine. There are things I’d definitely change, but I wouldn’t trade him for anybody not named Tom Brady…and I’d have to think long and hard on that one.

I hope he doesn’t change too much, to be honest with you. I expect the guy to throw the occasional pick. I expect him to make more phenomenal plays than stupid mistakes. About the only thing I’d like to see him do differently is cut down on the fumbles. I can handle him occasionally getting burned for trying to fit the ball in a tight window. The fumbles drive me nuts.

And seriously, the tabloid/off the field business isn’t even worth discussing. The guy’s allowed to have a life outside of football.

Epic Fail since 1985

by the red scare on Aug 13, 2009 12:51 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Question

TRS, don’t you think Romo’s life outside of football gets a bit more coverage than other similarly accomplished QB’s like Eli, Cutler, Brees, etc.?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 13, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That wasn't, by definition, outside of football

so the question remains…

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 13, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

true, but those guys don't date C-List Celebrities

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Aug 13, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, there you go...

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 13, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Eli went out at night, it'd be all over the NY Tabloids

He just goes to bed at 8 pm every night, after a bed time story, so he never makes it out to the clubs

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Aug 13, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He certainly does get more coverage

outside of football than any other QB that comes to mind. I’m simply saying it’s unnecessary. I understand, he’s the QB for “America’s Team”, but still, he’s not doing anything wrong, so the attention is silly. Guy’s allowed to hit the clubs and go golfing and what have you. Nothing different than the vast majority of NFL QBs. None of it affects his game at all.

Epic Fail since 1985

by the red scare on Aug 13, 2009 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

let’s be honest. It’s not like he works to keep a low profile.

He hits the clubs and the golf course and the stage at concerts and the ditsy blonde pop singers.

Drew Brees doesn’t do that.

Eli Manning doesn’t do that.

Phillip Rivers doesn’t do that.

Jay Cutler doesn’t do that.

Don’t blame ESPN for doing what raises their ratings.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 13, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really? None of them hit clubs? You know this? Since you aren’t everywhere I doubt this to be the case.

Then again, you are probably right. Winning quarterbacks never go anywhere the slightest bit risque or make questionable decisions involving women. Oh wait….

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 14, 2009 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

But I DO KNOW Romo does.

See the difference?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 14, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Once again though, why do you know that? You know that because the media chooses to fixate more so on Romo simply for the fact that he was dating Jessica Simpson and because he is the quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys. It is not because he is pulling outrageous stunts or doing anything like Tim McMahon used to do to clearly get attention. He is simply living his life, but due to his position, that life is very interesting to some. He doesn’t call them and tell them where he is or anything like that so he gets covered. He simply is living his life. And last time I checked, there are many winning QB’s who have had much more controversial events surrounding them (can you say civil suit?).

Overall though, the worst argument you have made though is “if there is smoke, there is fire.” The reason it is a terrible argument is that you make the stupid assumption that him being at a club or playing golf is “smoke.” The simple fact is that many, many winning players in the NFL do the same thing and are still successful on the field. To say these things he is doing are smoke, you would have to first prove that they are in fact detrimental to his play. And considering all reports out of camp label him as one of the hardest workers on the team (once again, consider how an UDFA becomes the starting QB), there is simply no way you can make that case. The problem isn’t so much is that you see how ESPN covers Tony (because once again, that isn’t his choice), the problem is that you immediately assume that those things you see him doing are directly related to his play. Considering it has been shown time and time again that that isn’t the case, you are the one that needs to remove his head from the sand.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 14, 2009 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lots of words...

but not a lot of meat.

“He is simply living his life”.

That’s great man. More power to him. But he shouldn’t be surprised when the big bad MSM (ESPN) points out those choices he makes when he fumbles a snap on a chip shot in Seattle or gets hammered by reporters asking him if Jessica Simpson was the reason for the crappy performance.

Your second paragraph sounded to me like you wanted a causal relationship between his off-field stuff and his on-field performance. For the sake of total clarity, I’m not suggesting there IS a causal link at all. What I am saying is that when multiple sources say he has to be reigned in during practice, it might be cause for alarm. What I am saying is that when he goes to Cabo and then stinks up December, it might be something we shouldn’t dismiss.

Again, you can disagree, but if you need to lock yourself in your fridge to know that the light goes out when the door is closed, knock yourself out.

I think it’s worthy of a spirited discussion like this one.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 15, 2009 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

who is saying he's surprised, thats your assumption

what if he doesn’t care and never listens to the MSM? I think that a better assumption

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 16, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Would you agree that he gets asked about it a great deal?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 16, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He never had to defend the Cabo trip to reporters?

Do you want me to provide links?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 17, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, I don't

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 16, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

*Won't

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 17, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

First, you have no clue what these guys do

None of them aside from Eli faces the kind of media pressure Romo does.

Secondly,I don’t understand why it matters what players do in their down time from football. If going to a club at night makes them happy and they can come in and focus better on their work that week, i couldn’t care less.

by foyesboys on Aug 14, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay...that's fair, so let me correct myself

None of them do so in a way that makes them front page photo targets of People magazine.

If you want to say it’s because of the “MSM bias” again, fine. But as I said in my post, we have become conditioned (right or wrong) to think that Romo should act like Staubach or Aikman. Those guys, despite the same position of media focus, were never known for lobbing so many softballs to the TMZ’s of the world. Unless you want to argue that too…

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 14, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay

Aikman dated Lori Morgan and quite a few other blonde bombshells…but TMZ wasn’t around then.

What about Brady & Moynahan/Gisselle? They’ve made just about as many covers.

It’s a poor, poor argument that it has anything to do with his performance.

He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson

by Fighter15 on Aug 14, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And when he does (I think he will)...

all of this other stuff will become romanticized the same way it was for those two.

Until that happens, it’s a cross Romo has to bear.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 15, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Aug 15, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

which of course is completely irrelevant

and also proves that stuff doesn’t affect a qbs performance obviously if these SB winning great HOF qbs are doing it.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 16, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's not true

Brady and Manning get much more coverage than Romo. I just saw Brady on an episode of Entourage the other night, if that was Romo, the fans on this blog would be going ballistic.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 14, 2009 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Terry...

We’ve been down this road before and you conceded that argument.

He’s got 3 rings. He gets a lifetime pass.

Romo has bupkiss. When he gets 3 rings, he can host SNL and be a regular on True Blood.

Out of fairness to Romo, I was comparing him to others, most of whom do not have a ring.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 14, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here is a question for you: what are your collective expectations this year for Big Ben and Tom Brady?

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 14, 2009 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Brady will have a big year

He’s got the best set of skill players surrounding him that he has ever had, and that is scary. It will be interesting to see how they use Fred Taylor.

Big Ben, not so much. I think his ship is taking on water with all of the noise off the field.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 15, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here is the problem though, how can you reconcile your idea that somehow dating a celebrity or doing things off the field (aka doing Entourage) and then turn around and say that he is going to have a huge year. I will only recognize it as a problem once I see a correlation from off the field stuff to on the field performance. I believe you have recognized my point, but to me, I will not sit here and speculate like you and ESPN choose to.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 16, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You'll never find a correlation

Because there is none.

It’s much easier to name QBs that weren’t dating Supermodels/Actresses/Bimbos than is to name the ones that have.

Namath, Jurgeson (and he was UGLY), Marino, Montana, Merideth, Aikman, Elrod, Brady,….name a famous, single QB, and I’ll show you a line of trim waiting to bed the man.

It’s a meaningless argument.

He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson

by Fighter15 on Aug 16, 2009 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Truth be told...

since the ugly stuff came out, Brady had nothing but bad luck (and no SB win).

Dont’ believe (but also can’t prove) there is no correlation, but it does increase the degree of difficulty for a player to perform when they also have to answer questions about their personal lives.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 17, 2009 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree

all that stuff means nothing once they hit the field

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 18, 2009 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're not getting it Terry, so let me explain

You see the logic is, if you win a Super Bowl, you can stop caring about your job and start dating celebs. Up until then you can’t. Or maybe the logic is that once you win a SB, you are suddenly able to do something you could not do just before kickoff at the SB – date celebrities and still function at a high level. Or maybe the logic is that the weak cause and effect relationship between being “media exposed” and SB success can only be applied to people who haven’t won one yet and cannot be apllied to someone who has. Clear enough? No?

OK, try this one. There’s a rule book you clearly don’t have a copy of yet, “The Pundit’s Book of Rules for Players Written by People Who Know Virtually Nothing About Being a Professional Athlete”. Page 164 “You can’t do things that other QBs get to do until you win a Super Bowl. At that point for whatever reason you can. Get over it”

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 14, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know you hate that Dunk...

but the truth is that we romanticize their antics after they reach the top of the mountain and become heroes. For a fan of a team whose players have benefitted from that rule on page 164, I think you’d react a bit more warmly to it.

The difference might just be that Romo feels like he’s already reached the top (after all, he has accomplished unbelievable things given his rise from obscurity) while Dallas fans want the Bling.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 15, 2009 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about him says hes content where hes at as a qb?

last year him and the whole team talked about winning a playoff game, Romo was trying to improve his footwork, this year hes similary talked about improving aspects of his game. Hes taken a much harder stance on turnovers than we’ve heard from him before. When has he sounded content with where hes at? I know that part of the point of your post is presenting the general fans view on him, but hardly anything about this guy says he doesn’t have the want/drive to win a superbowl.

by foyesboys on Aug 15, 2009 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like everything else, it will need to show through in his play on the field

Won’t it?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 16, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BTW, I didn't answer your question

I was referring to his comments about the notion that if lost football games were the worst thing that was going to happen in his life…blah blah blah.

Sorry.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 16, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ahhhh….

Certainly something easy to pick on, but I think you should take it in the context of him trying to cope with the loss. Everything out of Valley Ranch shows that he is nowhere near being content as you seem to suggest.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 17, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I asked the question

but I think everyone needs to take a pill and understand the distinction between making an assertion and calling something into question.

Too many on this blog become highly defensive of anything that sounds even remotely derisive of “their guy”, even when it is just thinking out loud.

If he’s as good (and getting better) as many say he is, then why are so many of having the spirited discussion about things that might be in his, and this team’s, critical path to the top?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 17, 2009 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I suppose I understand where you are coming from, but I think that because of the prevalence of people like Montecito Tex, I get a little rambunctious when it comes to defending Romo. I mean, I know its not like you want him to fail or anything, I just think that we do a real disservice to football discussion when we dilute and mix it with what I consider to be tabloid fodder.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 18, 2009 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank You

I think we all get a little riled up when people criticize our team in any way (that’s what makes us fans, right?), but if it truly IS tabloid fodder, it shouldn’t be anything to fear and as fans, we should welcome the opportunity to discredit it just as if it was someone asking if Romo had poor accuracy or had no playmaking ability.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 18, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Man, something just didn't make it intot he post...

It should have read, “why are so many people afraid of having…”

Sorry.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 18, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good Post 5Blings

I am a Romo defender no doubt and I will agree on all points except the Decision Making (off the field). Whatever Romo does off the field in his spare time(golf, clubbing, dating) is none of our business….although I do understand that he is in the spotlight so it does come with the territory. But I just can’t believe anything he does off the field can have anything to do with his on the field performance. I believe he tries every year to get better and I believe he is learning from his mistakes.

I am a firm believer in “Perception is Reality” and as soon as Romo understands that the easier he will make it on himself. And nowadays, with the internet, it is very difficult not to be in the limelight with everything you do and everything is “Reality”. The paparazzi are everywhere and they are just waiting for you to give them some ammo (a quote, a photo, etc.). So it wouldn’t hurt for him to be a little less visible off the field, but again, it really shouldn’t matter.

The “Perception” is that Romo can’t win in December, when the "Reality " should be that the Cowboys can’t win in December. I believe the TEAM struggles in December, I believe the TEAM struggled in the NYG Playoff game.

The “Perception” is that Romo will never win a Playoff game due to various reasons, and so until the Cowboys show the world otherwise this will be their “Reality”. When the Cowboys win a Playoff game, you can bet your sweet ass the “Perception” will change and Romo will get most of the credit just like he gets most of the blame now. It comes with the territory being the QB of the Dallas Cowboys. That my friend is “Reality”.

by Boyz4Life on Aug 13, 2009 1:06 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

Would you say QB’s get too much credit/blame for their team’s performance?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 13, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely

Especially here in Dallas. I admit the QB has alot to do with the success or failure of a team (as seen by the previous QBs we’ve had since Aikman), but this IS a team sport.

If the o-line plays outstanding, DEF plays outstanding, ST is adequate and the QB just plain sucks (makes bad decisions, poor throws, etc.), then there should be blame. But if the QB is running for his life or WRs are dropping passes, running poor routes, or they can’t beat press coverage, or the DEF is giving up big plays or comitting bad penalties or ST giving up huge returns; these things are usually thrown under the rug while all the “bad” plays the QB made during that same game are harped on over and over again. I’m not saying that they are not brought up, just that they don’t get the near the criticism as the QB play.

But, like always, the QB will get the credit for SB wins or will get all the blame for no SB wins.

by Boyz4Life on Aug 13, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You mean Minnesota last year...

I get it!

:-)

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 17, 2009 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A good stirring of the pot

Seems like we get/need one of these every couple of weeks. Cathartic ? Perhaps.
From my perspective 2 key points emerge:

- TR is the best QB we’ve had since Troy, no argument. Logically, he gives us the best chance to win now. There is no alternative. And unless you have a solution, then you’re part of the problem. Getting rid of TR with no viable replacement is subtraction by subtraction. I’m unwilling to write off the next several seasons until then.

- Of all the criticisms, ball control is the most valid. Cutting down on ‘unforced errors’ is the key. Double-edged sword here – his playmaking that makes him so special, so unique is largely what contributes to this the most to this.

I think the leadership comments are bogus – he is widely reported to be one of the most active, committed players during the offseason. Until i hear a team mate or coach questioning that, it gets no credence.

And saving the best for last – ‘Personal Decision-making.’ Really ? This is an argument
for when you have little other objective evidence to support your case. The NFL is replete with players who do far more, far worse. Brady, Big Ben, even Terry Bradshaw(he married a figure skater) got passes because they won championships. Romo won’t until he does, but that doesn’t validate the argument. As I’ve commented before, I respect the fact that Tony doesn’t try to manage his image – he stays true to himself and who he is regardless of public perception.

I can’t wait for the season, this offseason has lasted waaay too long.

The 7th Rule of "Fight Club": Fights will go on as long as they have to.

by tdships on Aug 13, 2009 10:04 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Interesting...

I don’t know how ‘real’ the leadership stuff is or was, but clearly, this has not been Romo’s team. It was usurped by a much bigger ego/personality/star and Romo was often in the background. I don’t know how much truth there is in claims that Romo forced balls to T.O. to keep him from bursting a blood vessel. Either way, it was there for fans and non-fans alike to ponder, and the media kept asking Romo about it. I’ve done media interviews on topics that were “touchy” and to think that it doesn’t affect your mood, your sleep and your performance is just not true.

The same is true about the off-field stuff. He gets asked about it. We know that. He is on the cover of People and US with Jessica and whoever the new Jessica is. If you think the 29-year old from the midwest is mature and media savvy enough to handle it all with no lasting impacts at all, great. I’m just saying I have some experiences that tell me otherwise.

Regardless, whatever knocks on Romo you do or don’t agree with, the big monkey on his back is there until he wins in the postseason.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 13, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm actually

surprised that Tex did not jump in the conversation…..:)

by DCowboy on Aug 13, 2009 5:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I put a filter on the replies that screens out people referring to themselves in the 3rd person

:-)

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 16, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's my two cents

I’m not a Romo hater nor am I a Romosexual, there’s some really good points made and some that I disagree with, but at the end of the day, all I know is that I’m glad to have him as the QB of the Boys. After enduring the likes of Leaf, Carter, Hutch, Bledsoe, Henson, Stoerner, and the rest. (I’m sure I’m forgeting about some other QB’s)

by DCowboy on Aug 13, 2009 5:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Could not agree

more

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 13, 2009 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is the absolute truth. I was watching a video involving the rise of Tony Romo and the entire time I thought about how much more enjoyable it has been to watch the Cowboys every week since Tony took over.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 14, 2009 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brad Johnson

And if Romo gets injured again during the season you can add Jon Kitna to the list.

"And Joe for Matt Hughes, dislike may not be a strong enough adjective!" - Mike Goldberg

by SSreporters on Aug 14, 2009 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

After last night

That is scary.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 15, 2009 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Better than Bledsoe means nothing

Yes, there’s no doubt that Romo is the best qb since Troy. However, as a Cowboys fan for almost 40 years, my standard is not Chad Hutchinson, Quincy Carter, or the others that unsuccessfully followed Troy. My standards for the quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys were set by Roger and Troy. We were led to Super Bowl victories by a Heisman Trophy winner and a #1 draft pick. Romo is 29 and is entering his last season in his 30’s. He’s been through 8 training camps, eight years of OTA’s, and over 150 games as a Cowboy. I admire that posters like Terry have told me for four years how great Romo is, but every season Romo has proven me to be right. With two thirds of our quarterbacks hailing from D-1AA programs, it was nice to see us at least pick up one qb with the potential of being another Troy Aikman. Take a look at the arm strength difference beween McGee and you’ll understand why Romo wasn’t drafted. I hope Romo proves me wrong, but it hasn’t happened yet. And, if you note that he will be 30 when next season rolls around, his time is running out. When the 2012 season begins, Jay Cutler will be the same age that Romo is this season. And within our division, Eli and Campbell are both younger. I wouldn’t be surprised to see McGee as the starter sooner than you think.

by rrb on Aug 17, 2009 3:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I really don’t know where to begin.

I guess I would start by saying that if your standards are Troy and Roger for acceptable quarterback play, then I think you are asking to be disappointed. They were two of the best of all-time for sure, but both benefitted from great team efforts (aka great defensive units). To simply use their success as a winning quarterback as a bar for Romo is just asking to be disappointed because it is hard enough to win one Super Bowl, let alone two or three. This isn’t to say we shouldn’t desire the Super Bowl or keep to high standards, but when you say Lombardi Trophy or bust (which I assume is the idea behind your post), you are just remaining ignorant of the fact that football is a team game.

Next, I take extreme issue with your declaration that someone must be a Division-I quarterback with a hallowed college career and a high draft spot to be Super Bowl worthy. That is ridiculous on so many levels and has been effectively disproved by Kurt Warner (he of three of the best Super Bowl yardage performances ever). I believe the example of him alone disproves your ridiculous notion.

Third, you are absolutely ignorant when discussing Romo’s arm strength. He has a very strong arm and I doubt very much that Stephen McGee has a stronger arm at all. If you really are going to question Romo’s arm strength, that alone discredits you as any reasonable person on the issue. What made me laugh hardest though was the fact that you tout Troy Aikman’s draft status and college pedigree, but then seem to lose that point as you declare McGee to have the potential to be Troy in spite of the fact that McGee had a very non-impressive career at Texas A&M and was not even close to ever being considered a top pick. If you are going to make a point, at least stick to it.

Lastly, Tony has at least a few more seasons before I think we can have the “on-the-decline” conversation. Barring injury, he is a guy who has a lot of tread on his tires and can be a very effective player for years to come. Guys like Peyton and McNabb are both older and have not shown the type of decline (other than when injured) you think is in Romo’s future. If you really think McGee is going to be the starter any time soon (as in under two years barring injury) you are obviously not living in reality.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 17, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think we have to stop using Aikman as the measuring stick

How many QB’s do what he did? How many have 3 rings? It’s a select few.

I want to see him develop as a leader moreso than an athlete, because that is what this team needs more than anything else.

I think he will, but I also think he makes his mountain to climb much higher with his off-field interests.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 17, 2009 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It will be hard for any QB to do what Aikman did in the way of leading his team to three Super Bowls. I definitely agree that to judge other QB’s by that same standard is extremely unfair.

As for the leadership, I understand exactly what you mean, but since all reports from teammates and coaches are that he has improved in that area I really am not worried that somehow Tony has missed that as part of his off-season changes.

Lastly, I suppose that in the public eye it makes those mountains higher, but I still don’t think that they have any real impact on the actual game played on Sunday. I suppose we will simply have to agree to disagree.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 18, 2009 1:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Leadership

I don’t think it is a switch you turn on just because someone says, “you need to be a better leader” or “you need to step up and lead”.

Some QB’s just have that gravitas, that presence in and out of the huddle.

This is another area where his comments about losing, the stuff about reigning him in during practice and his dating life might make the task of assuming the role of team leader (which he may not even be that comfortable with) much more difficult.

Leaders set the tone for those around them. Thus far, under Romo’s stewardship, the tone has not been one that leads to winning big games. Once again, until he gets them there (and I know Terry will say it’s the TEAM, not the PLAYER), Romo’s legacy will look a lot like that of a Jake Plummer.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 18, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know what you are saying, but wouldn’t you agree that there are many types of leadership? I would agree that Tony is never going to get in a guy’s face like Michael, but I don’t think it is out of the question that he could become like Troy. I mean even Troy wasn’t the Troy that won three Super Bowls when he first started. And I realize that Tony is a few years into the league, but with some of the polarizing figures gone from the locker room, I don’t think it is out of the question at all that he could develop the kind of presence that Troy had. Just listening to Ken Hamlin on Jim Rome made it clear to me that Tony understands this and is trying to do more than just lead by example. He has, by all reports, made a strong effort to get on people about executing and made it clear that he is the alpha male of the team in the sense that he will be the guy who determines their success (even though in reality it is still a team game). I reference this idea because I remember Michael talking about how everyone used to know that it all started with Troy. I think Tony is working towards that even though he will never be as charismatic a leader like Michael was.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 18, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You raise a terrific point

…and no, I don’t think it is out of the question at all. As a fan, I hope and pray for it every night.

The fact is, however, that we’re all still waiting to see (in a T.O.-free environment) a true manifestation of his leadership in a way that is empirical and impactful on his team.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 18, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are certainly right in the sense that we won’t know how successful he was until we play some football and see that leadership in action. However, I think we have already seen flashes of leadership from him (Lions game in 2007 is a good example) and if he is building on that like the news out of Valley Ranch suggests (which I think is true), I think it is perfectly reasonable to be optimistic regarding Romo this year and what he can accomplish.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 19, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ahhhhhh….

Certainly something easy to pick on, but perhaps you should take that in the context of him trying to cope with the loss. I think all his off season talk has made it clear he is not content.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 17, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Arrrgghhhh..... This was not meant to post here.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 17, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No worries

 I figured out what you were referring to…

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 17, 2009 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope you are right

I’m tired of changing my avatar.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 17, 2009 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

341 Votes in the Poll

Yet maybe 30-40 different posters.

I wonder if the whole poll thing makes sense anymore. Maybe people are using proxy servers?

I’d like to know too, how the site overlords (Grizz, Raf, etc.) voted.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 18, 2009 10:54 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL...did you change your vote?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 19, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I voted

developed into a smarter QB with fewer turnovers

by Dave Halprin on Aug 19, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How much faster do you think he would have accomplished this with David Lee vs. Wade Wilson as his Sensei?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 19, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Impossible for me to know, or even hazard an eduacted guess

I’m not privy to the relationships that Romo has/had with each coach and I don’t know their teaching styles or exactly what they’re teaching.

by Dave Halprin on Aug 19, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's reaching for something

As if a coach would have made the difference.

Now it’s Wade Wilson’s fault?

He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson

by Fighter15 on Aug 19, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You have a thing for guys with the wet look, don't you...

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 20, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good question

Something we’ll never know the answer to.

My opinion is Wade Wilson probably coaches Romo the way Jason Garrett would if he had the time, and David Lee coached him the way Sean Payton/Parcells wanted. He definitely seemed to progress more under David Lee.

Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.

by APerfectStar on Aug 19, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 20, 2009 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

here is one of the best descriptions of Romo

and this quote by Wade really says it all about #9.

“He’s a natural. He sees so many things and he has such a quick release, and he’s so accurate,” Phillips said. “He just makes fantastic plays. We see it every day on tape. … He makes a throw that you say, ‘Wow, what a play.’ That’s what the great ones do.”

http://dal.scout.com/2/889907.html

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 20, 2009 8:27 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Will he say the same thing if he gets canned at the end of the season?

Or will he say, Romo was “talented but unruly”?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 20, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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